StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

[NateTheLesser]

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Except if I bodyguard correctly, I die. So that's very very negative utility for wolves, especially since there was a vig in the game. Imagine I protected Vis on N1 and then AM shot her. I would've died. So I really really do not think that a wolf bodyguard makes more sense than a wolf protector

Do you think Barks is town? Would it seem odd to have both a town bodyguard and town protector?

 

[alleycat03]

Wait… did we even have a wolf bodyguard before?

I've never heard of it. But as we all know, every role can technically be a wolf role except innocent child

 

[alleycat03]

Do you think Barks is town? Would it seem odd to have both a town bodyguard and town protector?

I think I know what Barks' role is, so no I don't think it is that odd

 

[miranda920]

I think I know what Barks' role is, so no I don't think it is that odd

But you didn’t answer if you think barks is town or not

 

[NateTheLesser]

Bodyguard

wiki.mafiascum.net

Bodyguard is usually Town. It makes little sense for there to be a Mafia Bodyguard, as they have no reason to target anyone except a scumpartner; and a Vigilante who finds that their kill resolved on a different scum than they expected can simply shoot their previous target again.

🤔

Most sites don't have loud actions, so that changes things a bit. The only utility for wolves would be (a) having something town-sounding to claim and (b) protecting people that won't be killed and can back up the claim.

 

[Lawpy]

I don’t feel like defending myself all day

I’m “the bouncer,” a bodyguard. I protected Samac last night

Yes. And there’s a separate reason she’s not dead. 100% believe it.

Hmm

 

[Stagg737]

WELCOME TO THE BARKS ISO HOUR PART DEUX! (This iso literally takes an hour)

I fell asleep after quoting these so let’s see if I remember what I was going to say 🙃


What don’t you like about stagg?

Looks good for Lawpy if you don’t consider how much he claims to love bussing lol

Idk if I had anything to say. So I’ll just note this for now



Do you think she wouldn’t joke as a wolf?



Noting PSV’s position on mighty when he started getting more votes

I don’t bus though. I like being bussed however

Imo interaction worth noting given quick response from Lawpy. Not sure how to interpret it, but pinged me.

Hmmm

HMMMMM

First Hmmm was in response to Mighty saying he was reading Miranda village. Second HMMMM was in response to Mighty saying he felt Vis sus was unwarranted and that he wanted to look into Stoat and Lucy. Appears to imply further evidence for wolf-reading Miranda.

Vis, PSV, stagg, santy, Miranda

All were sketchy at some point

That he [Mighty] was a wolf

And that vis is also likely a wolf

POE on Saturday morning, both statements made after night close was announced but before the results were posted.

Yes

In response to lawpy saying he would wolf-read Alley. Add Alley to previously mentioned POE now.

Is PSV incompatible with mighty and vis?

No i don’t think so

Saved for reference (saved quote: Also though I [PSV] am prepared to break the tie. I'd prefer to yeet not Vis and not mighty today, but if everyone dies that's no good.)

Ah yes I think that’s what first made me think about PSV as wolf

I will

Yeet PSV

Team Lawrkley pushing PSV.

I listed my POE and I can pull quotes later. She’s equal with other wolf reads (such as the two [Santy and Alley] on the board) but I don’t see a point in keeping it at two wagons right now when vote close isn’t until tomorrow

If she's equal with the other wolf reads why her specifically? Seemed like a possible push based on who was on board and who they could get momentum for. Also added Alley to her POE (already of 5-6 people) d/t Alley being on board. Possibly distancing from Alley before Alley claimed?

So here's some quotes and tbh I don't understand how you don't see the PSV sus

Spoiler: Quotes

So does have vis in a POE to start but then:

Hedgy explanation about why vis is included

Mighty defense

Mighty solidly in the middle, a safe place to put him

Mighty defense

Mighty defense

Mighty and vis defense

Vis defense but then only a couple minutes later

So that's a bit confusing

And then after voting for vis and tying vis and mighty, saying this about vis.

In spoiler, most of the reasoning was she interpreted multiple statements by PSV as defending Mighty. If nothing else, Barks and PSV are unpaired imo.

Wonder if Santy's trying to force a misyeet on Barks.

How?

Because he keeps putting Barks in scum leans and repeatedly asking AM how she feels about her

I thought this was an interesting interaction, especially given the PSV push by Barks. Diversion by PSV?

I have some hesitations? questions? about alleys reveal but I’m fine with leaving it alone for now

Interesting that she didn't come right out with second claim. I'd need to look way more in-depth into timing of other statements than I'm willing to, so just going to note it. Ultimately I think this has more village feelz given when it was said.

Why probably village? Because I disagree

Questioning PSV in regards to Alley.

Weren’t you criticizing me earlier for being alone on a wagon? 🤔

More Zenge shade-like posting. Not sure she was actually shading, but seems shady. Shade.

Idc if you wolf read me but putting Lawpy in there is wild to me

And AM death was upsetting, timing was weird but really did lead to the suggestion that I did it before AM could change her mind like PSV (?) said

Weird interaction with Santy leading to this response. Implied soft defense of lawpy noted.

Why do your words say “feels village but technically can’t be cleared” but your list puts me on the absolute bottom? 🤔

In response to PSV's reads list, who she voted for shortly after this.

There's more stuff on Barks, but it's mostly recent involving her role reveal, feeling better about Alley after Dubz reported Samac's statements (if they're to be believed as accurate), and being okay with a Nate vote.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I think I know what Barks' role is, so no I don't think it is that odd

Okay. What's your read on Lawpy?

 

[Stagg737]

Because that wolf is likely doomed either way so best to use it on a consensus viewed villager to get some cred. I think vissy was a sinking ship after D1

And how would that gain her credit as a wolf protector? It just creates a ton of WIFOM and speculation, especially since they killed Samac the next night without Samac actually revealing that info on thread. Better to save a wolf and hopefully get the NK and force village to yeet the wolf to gain an extra NK. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Lawpy]

Team Lawrkley pushing PSV.

This is a hot take

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo Since there's confirmation from alley she targeted you N2 and samac confirmed the flavor is similar to what she got N1, is the flavor at all wolfy?
I don't know how else to ask this question

No but I wouldn't expect it to be

 

[NateTheLesser]

(I won't be posting after yeet close, not because I'm salty but because I think the dead should be dead)

 

[WildZoo]

Dubz when have I ever done fancy wolfing like that

Shrugs
In this scenario you're not lone wolfing

 

[NateTheLesser]

Okay. What's your read on Lawpy?

The reason I ask this is because if you and Barks are both town, then Lawpy would be the only player left who didn't end the day voting for one of the flilpped wolves, and I'm wondering what your worldview on that is, especially if you think Lawpy's also town. If it was a total hellbus, who do you think that points to?

 

[Lawpy]

And how would that gain her credit as a wolf protector? It just creates a ton of WIFOM and speculation, especially since they killed Samac the next night without Samac actually revealing that info on thread. Better to save a wolf and hopefully get the NK and force village to yeet the wolf to gain an extra NK. It doesn't make sense.

I mean this whole discussion is speculation whether it’s your assuming a wolf protector is protecting their packmate vs my assuming a wolf protector is protecting a villager. I think a village cred is possible simply because it plays along the conventional viewpoint how protective roles when used seemingly villagey get the benefit of doubt. I’ve seen wolf protectors exploiting the flaws of this conventional view to their advantage before simply because the idea of a wolf protector itself is uncommon and people assume that abilities = affiliation. Which point noted, doesn’t clear alleys for that reason (but it’s samacs’s response to that which makes her feel a bit better).

I get what you and Nates are saying and that it can be practical to keep the pack together and not sacrifice a sinking ship right off the bat.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I just don't think it was a hellbus day, partly because Vis and mighty were pretty reluctant to self pres vote for each other.

 

[Stagg737]

I'm not going to do a Barks VCA in the next 15 minutes, but general impression on Barks based on iso is neutral to mild wolf leans. Has been making some pushes which haven't been successful, but does appear to have some decent reasoning behind those pushes. I don't think I see a Barks/PSV pack, as it would basically involve Barks pushing PSV without any notable PSV retaliation. Barks/Alley is imo unlikely, but I think Barks is a smart enough player in general to do it and from what I can remember Alley is also pretty solid. However, given Samac being village, if we trust what Dubz is saying then I think they're an extremely unlikely pack.

On iso there's A LOT of Barks/Lawpy interactions and it almost felt like the kind of convo I'd have in a mason PM. However, Lawpy seems to be pushing Barks more now and did vote for her at one point. Not sure if this is an unpairing attempt with Barks taking more heat or what. But I'd like others' thoughts on this potential pairing.

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry if I missed any other mentions, I lost track of time while drowning in stats, again

 

[Stagg737]

I mean this whole discussion is speculation whether it’s your assuming a wolf protector is protecting their packmate vs my assuming a wolf protector is protecting a villager. I think a village cred is possible simply because it plays along the conventional viewpoint how protective roles when used seemingly villagey get the benefit of doubt. I’ve seen wolf protectors exploiting the flaws of this conventional view to their advantage before simply because the idea of a wolf protector itself is uncommon and people assume that abilities = affiliation. Which point noted, doesn’t clear alleys for that reason (but it’s samacs’s response to that which makes her feel a bit better).

I get what you and Nates are saying and that it can be practical to keep the pack together and not sacrifice a sinking ship right off the bat.

We're not talking about Alley, we're talking about Barks....

 

[alleycat03]

But you didn’t answer if you think barks is town or not

Oh I think she’s town if she’s what I think she is

 

[supershorty]

Vote softly closed, results pending

Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever get back into a normal routine... Day 3 FINAL Tally

Barky (3) - PSV, miranda, Clem
PSV ()
Nate (7) - Dubz, Lawpy, genny, Barks, JJJ, alley, SAR
alley (2) - Stagg, Nate

@NateTheLesser, you are in the lead!

12/13 voting
Missing: @lucy.

 

[Lawpy]

We're not talking about Alley, we're talking about Barks....

Yes I know but the point stands, because alleys’s bodyguard role is conventionally assumed village even per the wiki

 

[supershorty]

Welcome to the Store - N3 Offerings

PLANTING DEPARTMENT
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Crop​	Seed Cost​	Grow Time​	Sale Price​	Failure Chance​
Parsnip​	20g​	Short (1 cycle; plant N0, harvest N1)​	35g​	25%​
Wheat​	10g​	Short​	25g​	25%​
Potato​	50g​	Intermediate (2 cycles; plant N0, harvest N2)​	80g​	15%​
Yam​	75g​	Intermediate​	120g​	15%​
Strawberry​	100g​	Long (3 cycles; plant N0, harvest N3)​	200g​	5%​
Blueberry​	80g​	Long​	100g (harvests 2-3 blueberries per unit planted)​	5%​

Please note that while in Stardew Valley, some crops may be constantly renewing after harvest (blueberries, for example), for the purposes of this game, they are NOT.​

 

[supershorty]

Welcome to the Store - N3 Offerings

ANIMAL DEPARTMENT

NOTE: You MUST purchase and build a coop (500g, 1 cycle to completion) and/or a barn (500g, 2 cycles to completion) BEFORE buying any animals. If you purchased a coop N0, you may purchase coop animals tonight.

Coop Animals​

Animal​	Purchase Price​	Product​	Sale Price​	Production Frequency​
Chicken​	250g​	Egg​	50g​	Each night​
Duck​	400g​	Duck egg​	95g​	Each night​
​	​	Duck feather​	250g​	15% chance of occurring every other night​

Barn Animals
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Animal	Purchase Price	Product	Sale Price	Production Frequency
Cow	800g	Milk	200g	Each night
Goat	1200g	Goat milk	375g	Each night
Sheep	2000g	Wool	850g	Every other night
Pig	3000g	Truffle	650g	Can be each night pending success (40% chance), may find more than 1 per night

 

[supershorty]

Welcome to the Store - N3 Offerings


ITEM DEPARTMENT
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Item​	Description​	Price​	Number Available​
Watering Can​	You can't be a farmer without having a way to water your plants! You just know that your plants will perk up with a refreshing shower. Maybe it'll even make them grow faster!​	2000g​	1​
Axe​	Every farmer needs a good, sharp axe. There are trees to cut down. The blade looks like it's been freshly sharpened. Ooooh. Sometimes, you just need to axe someone a question...​	3000g​	1​
Prismatic Shard​	It's a gorgeous piece of a prism. The light refracts and it's truly dazzling. It inspires you as you're lost in the colors. You've heard that it's incredibly rare - for the store to have one is pretty remarkable. All those colors...you can just imagine what you can do with them.​	3500g​	1​

THINGS ALONG THE CHECKOUT AISLE
These may be purchased alongside items, seeds, animals, etc.
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Item​	Description​	Price​	Number Available​
Fertilizer​	The fertilizer bag swears that it'll make your plants grow better! The pictures are pretty convincing, and we all know that pictures don't lie. Ever. There's a note on the package saying that it must be purchased per seed plot, but you can purchase multiples in one go. If only it came in a bigger bag so you didn't have to buy individual portions!​	100g​	Unlimited​
Brush​	Wow, this brush is soft! Seems like your animals might really like it.​	750g​	Unlimited​

This concludes the store offerings for N3. Please submit your purchase decisions in your role PMs, formatted as you would format a night action. You may submit seed purchases and planting at once (i.e. "Dina purchases and plants 10 parsnips").

I will not be staying up all night to update if/when 1x items are purchased, so don't expect that, and keep that in mind when making your submissions. All items are one-use unless otherwise stated.

You will be notified of your purchase successes/failures/plantings in your night results.

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[NateTheLesser]

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Good luck!
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[potentialsheltervet]

Yes

I'm surprised then why you yeeted me early this cycle.

 

[supershorty]

Oh, before I forget

 

[supershorty]

Modkilled for failing to meet post minimums is...

Spoiler

@lucy., Penny, and a...

Spoiler

vanilla villager

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[Lawpy]

Modkilled for failing to meet post minimums is...

Spoiler

@lucy., Penny, and a...

Spoiler

vanilla villager

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That’s unfortunate.

@Clem J @Santygrass

 

[potentialsheltervet]

That’s unfortunate.

@Clem J @Santygrass

Why are you tagging them?

 

[Barkley13]

I'm surprised then why you yeeted me early this cycle.

It’d be more convincing if there was only one wolf left

 

[Lawpy]

Why are you tagging them?

Because they were right

 

[potentialsheltervet]

It’d be more convincing if there was only one wolf left

How would you explain last night's two kills, though?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Actually though mulling it over I think Barks' responses to my questions, her unyeeting me in favor of Nate (pending his flip of course), and genny's vouching make me... uncomfortable.
Especially if Nate flips village.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Oh I did not clarify that. Putting everything together, I actually feel better about Barks again and now I'm concerned about my POE moving forward.

 

[Clem J]

That’s unfortunate.

@Clem J @Santygrass

Told you lol

 

[Clem J]

Vote softly closed, results pending

Alarm

 

[WildZoo]

Sigh

 

[Barkley13]

How would you explain last night's two kills, though?

If it was factional kill + ability it could be from the same person

 

[alleycat03]

Okay. What's your read on Lawpy?

Village only because of AM’s godread on him

 

[alleycat03]

Well not only. His actions and questioning also point to him being village

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Nate said good luck
But not good luck to village

 

[Stagg737]

Yes I know but the point stands, because alleys’s bodyguard role is conventionally assumed village even per the wiki

But we weren't talking about the bodyguard role... we were talking about why a wolf protector trying to gain legit village cred doesn't make sense because it would just be a WIFOM argument. The point being that if Barks was a wolf protector, then the credit she would get for protecting Samac N1 is based on WIFOM at best and shouldn't carry much weight.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Highly suspect behavior 🧐

 

[WildZoo]

But we weren't talking about the bodyguard role... we were talking about why a wolf protector trying to gain legit village cred doesn't make sense because it would just be a WIFOM argument. The point being that if Barks was a wolf protector, then the credit she would get for protecting Samac N1 is based on WIFOM at best and shouldn't carry much weight.

It's been done before and worked decently

 

[Barkley13]

How would you explain last night's two kills, though?

I did unyeet because I was pondering if that was a villagey thought for you to have though

 

[Stagg737]

It's been done before and worked decently

Just because it's worked, doesn't mean it's a good argument. It's still based on WIFOM.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Just because it's worked, doesn't mean it's a good argument. It's still based on WIFOM.

WIFOM is good, WIFOM is fun.
WIFOM is how some wolf games have been won.

 

[supershorty]

Day 3

Pam placed an ice pack on her head. God, she had imbibed too much in the last few days. But how could she help it when the brews and stews at the tavern were just so good - and at such an affordable price? She didn't remember what had happened the last few nights; she liked to enjoy a good beer, nothing wrong with that, and while it seemed like maybe her shoes were wearing out a little faster these days, she didn't think much of it. Cheap manufacturing, you know. It happens. Capitalism, you know. Or was it consumerism? She wasn't sure, and frankly, she didn't care.

What she did care about was finding who else was up to no good. She was busy - after all, she was the only bus driver on the island, and her evenings were spent meticulously making spreadsheets, which she shared with everyone else. "These should help," she said, poring over them. After a while, the cells on the page all started to blur together. There were just so many people, so much movement, it was giving her a headache.

"I need a drink," she thought to herself. She put on her shoes and again noted that the toes had some new scuff marks and the soles seemed worn. Well, she could understand that. Her soul felt pretty worn too. What she didn't understand was why a mob of angry people had assembled outside her trailer or what they could possibly want with her.

"You're the bus driver!" came a voice from the back of the group.
Pam blinked a few times. Maybe she was dreaming, or maybe she was really hungover, but she hadn't really anticipated a mob of people who would assault her with ... telling her what her job was.
"... correct." she said, twisting one piece of hair in her fingers, trying to anticipate the flow of the conversation.
"No, the bus driver!" was the confident response.
She still felt confused. Of course she was the bus driver. That was what she did at work every day. She drove a bus.
"You drove the bus over George! No, you realized that George was going to be sent away and you avoided hitting him with the bus!"
Again, she wasn't sure how to respond to the claims. It seemed like now they were weaponizing ... not ... hitting someone with a vehicle? It just didn't make sense. All she did was wake up in the morning, go to work, and then go unwind with a couple of beers.

Her head was starting to pound at this point and she just wanted to get away from it all. It was clear that they were going to block her path from going where she wanted to, but she knew there was another brewery waiting for her back in Stardew Valley. Without a word, she turned and headed for the train, hoping that on board, she could purchase some snacks and a drink.

Just not snacks from potatoes. She felt a little bitter about those. All that money spent on a sickle...

Pam paused for a minute to give an ironic salute to the new mayor of the island. "Best of luck to ya," she muttered.

She stepped on the train and paused again. Those scuff marks were just so ... unusual.

Dead is...

Spoiler

@NateTheLesser, Pam, and a...

Spoiler

village sleepwalker

11 players remain.

1. @potentialsheltervet
3. @alleycat03
5. @Clem J
7. @WildZoo
7.7 @Stagg737
8. @SARdoghandler
12. @JaggedJimmyJay
13. @Barkley13
14. @miranda920
17. @Lawpy
18. @genny

Returned to Stardew Valley:
10. @mightyrunner7, George, WOLF vanillizer
9. @bluestoat, Pierre, neutral 3p
4. @Viscernable, Lightning, Electric WOLF
2. @Animal Midwife, Abigail, village one-shot vigilante
21. @Santygrass, Krobus, village odd night hider
16. @samac, Emily, village every other night commuter
6. @Zenge142, Vincent, village even night redirector
11. @lucy., Penny, vanilla villager
>. @NateTheLesser, Pam, village sleepwalker

Sidecars:
1. @PlumPoppy
2. @futuredogtor614
3. @motheatenlysis
4. @matthirten13

Subs:
1. @mkg323
2. @dyachei
3. @SportPonies

Tots:
1. @justafluff
2. @Ms Procrastinator
3. @chicandtoughness
4. @marmot`

It is now Night 3. Please submit your night actions by 6 AM CDT. Night closes officially at 10 AM CDT.​