StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

[Lawpy]

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That's why I talked about all the things. The total context is what would seem strange to me, not just one of those things in isolation.

Maybe a wolf!Staggs panicked when Nates and Santy quickly shifted to him, then probably prodded mighty to vote him so that he and vissy could shift the votes back to mighty to justify the self prez?

 

[miranda920]

A Clem kill makes sense for literally no one so that's not really gonna be a useful defense

I did vote for mighty as I saw he could potentially be a wolf, and he did flip wolf
I’ve at least yeeted a wolf

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe a wolf!Staggs panicked when Nates and Santy quickly shifted to him, then probably prodded mighty to vote him so that he and vissy could shift the votes back to mighty to justify the self prez?

Maybe it is different looking at it in the context of knowing that villagers started that vote

I mean he would be one to leave me alive when I'm begging for and deserving of death so there's that lol

 

[WildZoo]

The jump from Stagg to stoat that mighty did was strange too. Definitely need to reread that part of the thread.

 

[WildZoo]

Wonder if I'll be able to reread effectively while getting my hair done better than doing it later when I could be working on stuff

 

[Barkley13]

I did vote for mighty as I saw he could potentially be a wolf, and he did flip wolf
I’ve at least yeeted a wolf

Yeah and why did you suddenly vote for mighty? Because I don’t see this progression as clearing

10. @mightyrunner7 - neutral

So the thing about mighty is... I have trouble reading him

Our noob game I wolf read him right out the gate, but he was village at the time. He ended up being converted to wolf later and still maintained the same persona.

I'd feel better about a mighty yeet over vis ATM

You know, if lucy is truly inactive it isn't worth using our yeet to flip her

unyeet lucy
yeet mighty

 

[Lawpy]

Letting the tie breathe and registering my other suspicions.

Yeet Stagg

Unyeet Bluestoat
Yeet Stagg

Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally

View attachment 367921

Vis (6) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz, mighty
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (2) - Nate, Santy
mighty (6) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda, Lawpy
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (2) - PSV, alley
stoat ()

@Viscernable and @mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!
A tie

18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.

Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~45 minutes).

Oh are we yeeting Stagg? I'd yeet Stagg

I’m not opposed

When you and I last minute flash wagon on heavy wolf reads good things happen. EG: Mel

I'm actually feeling good about this. Quickly glancing over his ISO, I like this more than Vis

Unyeet vis yeet stagg

Wait what

Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally

View attachment 367922

Vis (5) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (3) - Nate, Santy, mighty
mighty (6) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda, Lawpy
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (2) - PSV, alley
stoat ()

@mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!

18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.

Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~30 minutes).

Saving these posts

 

[Lawpy]

Stagg, can you give me more than "Wat?" I already clarified my point a bit with my response to Samac

I dont really like the list itself, but the village reads contained in the list. Frankly, formatting it as a list was a bit silly, since most of the content was "idk"

Stoat made an assertion that the following players are village:
Zenge
Dubz
Stagg
Bark
Miranda

My complaint was that she was too hedgy and not making assertions

Mighty’s posts on Staggs prior to the vote

 

[Lawpy]

I'm neutral on Vis. I feel like there has been good activity/participation, and I don't think the initial sus was warranted. But I also don't see anything that makes my point to a village lean.

I'd much rather focus on Lucy or stoat tonight, but since that seems unlikely, I'll probably have to jump on thr Vis wagon soon for self presentation

Mighty’s post on vissy

 

[miranda920]

Yeah and why did you suddenly vote for mighty? Because I don’t see this progression as clearing

I don't think it was suddenly. I didn't have any initial strong feelings but as things progressed and played out on the thread I felt better about yeeting him.
Lawpy asked me how I read mighty and I was honest, I didn't feel confident in my read on him because I wolf read him in our first game together and he wasn't a wolf (to start). I had an inherent bias to wolf read him.
I was concerned about lucys inactivity and what that might have meant, but clearly that was inaccurate. I felt that if my only reason for wolf reading lucy was because of low posting, that my vote for her was not beneficial to village. It was better used to yeet mighty who was becoming more and more suspicious.

 

[miranda920]

Yeah and why did you suddenly vote for mighty? Because I don’t see this progression as clearing

Yeah, and why didn't you vote for mighty?

You've yet to explain to me why you are so hung up on me being a wolf

It's honestly going to be a huge waste of your time and effort when you see that I flip village

 

[miranda920]

Dare I say... You're barking up the wrong tree

 

[Lawpy]

It looks like mighty saw the Staggs wagon forming because of Nates and Santy initial votes plus WZ, samacs and me entertaining the idea of voting Staggs.

So mighty quickly voted Staggs despite barely talking about him. Makes me think he was prodded to do so

But WZ and samacs didn’t vote Staggs and i broke away to stoaty. Which probably put mighty in a bad spot so he voted stoaty to at least look like he’s consistent with his reads.

But when i switched back to Staggs, mighty got confused and hesitated to make the switch before doing so

By then, vissy and Staggs rapidly switched to self prez by voting mighty

 

[WildZoo]

It looks like mighty saw the Staggs wagon forming because of Nates and Santy initial votes plus WZ, samacs and me entertaining the idea of voting Staggs.

So mighty quickly voted Staggs despite barely talking about him. Makes me think he was prodded to do so

But WZ and samacs didn’t vote Staggs and i broke away to stoaty. Which probably put mighty in a bad spot so he voted stoaty to at least look like he’s consistent with his reads.

But when i switched back to Staggs, mighty got confused and hesitated to make the switch before doing so

By then, vissy and Staggs rapidly switched to self prez by voting mighty

Was Stagg around at that time/does it look like there was time for a wolf!Stagg to see those posts and the wagon forming and tell mighty to vote there?

 

[Barkley13]

Yeah, and why didn't you vote for mighty?

Because I was at work for the 8 hours leading up to vote close which is when the mighty wagon starting picking up. And he hadn’t said much up to that point.

You've yet to explain to me why you are so hung up on me being a wolf

I don’t know how many times I have to say that it’s because there is nothing clearing you.

 

[miranda920]

I don’t know how many times I have to say that it’s because there is nothing clearing you.

Well, we don't all have abilities that we can claim

 

[Lawpy]

Was Stagg around at that time/does it look like there was time for a wolf!Stagg to see those posts and the wagon forming and tell mighty to vote there?

Yes

So do you think AM is a wolf? Because that’s where I voted.

Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally

View attachment 367921

Vis (6) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz, mighty
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (2) - Nate, Santy
mighty (6) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda, Lawpy
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (2) - PSV, alley
stoat ()

@Viscernable and @mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!
A tie

18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.

Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~45 minutes).

 

[Lawpy]

Yeet Staggs

 

[WildZoo]

How about threats?

Don’t vote me, and I’ll post a pic of me in a crop top.

Where's the pic, Jay?

 

[WildZoo]

I think the one time I pretended to village read barks “correctly” she was my packmate.

But do others think that they can read her better than I can?

Ahaha

Haha

Ha

 

[WildZoo]

@Barkley13
Why didn't you vote for yourself for mayor?

 

[WildZoo]

No I get that but I really don’t think we have any “easy reads” in this game. I’d say miranda, alley, and me are the closest to it.

This cursed post, smh

 

[WildZoo]

I personally would prefer Miranda over Samac, but I'm open to other arguments. I just don't want to give it to a player who started campaigning for themselves. I find the fact that some players nominated others to be valuable for later game solving potential. This is a bit simplistic, but even if we accidentally elect a wolf mayor, it's possible that they were nominated by another wolf

Hmmmmm

 

[WildZoo]

Although I always think I post a lot too so maybe my interpretation of my own actions aren’t accurate

I actually have felt that you've been really active/involved this game for the record

 

[WildZoo]

*me responding to things from a million years ago*

*Also me realizing there were more pages I missed*

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Where's the pic, Jay?

Why did I tell everyone to read the thread again

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Personal to do list after today’s classpocalypse: look into Stagg, genny, miranda, Lawpy

@JaggedJimmyJay that’s you, do it nerd

 

[supershorty]

Personal to do list after today’s classpocalypse: take photo of self wearing crop top, look into Stagg, genny, miranda, Lawpy

@JaggedJimmyJay that’s you, do it nerd

ftfy because you forgot your top priority

 

[supershorty]

I'm now giggling in class at an inappropriate time, thanks me

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Personal to do list after today’s classpocalypse: look into Stagg, genny, miranda, Lawpy

@JaggedJimmyJay that’s you, do it nerd

I think these are the people for whom my current perspective is most nebulous and least mechanical

 

[WildZoo]

I think on reread Barky's energy just feels nice and I'm back in thinking that I was jiving with a lot of her early posts. First impressions best impressions?

 

[Barkley13]

@Barkley13
Why didn't you vote for yourself for mayor?

I was going to if it was closer but it was not so I wanted to vote AM

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Dubz please. We all know my playstyle is brief strokes of genius followed by prolonged displays of immense stupidity.

This is extra funny now

 

[WildZoo]

I'm sure Jay didn't examine his own interactions with Vis so I should probably quote those to assuage people's lingering concerns, huh?

 

[WildZoo]

Spoiler

Responses appreciated!

Sooo whatcha doing with those responses, surveymonkey.com?

Making mental notes for a later time if I deem them relevant. I may have more to say when we get to the game part of the game.

Tbh sounds like more of a “asking questions just to look busy” kind of venture to me

I'm not sure how many times I've heard something like this, but it's a lot. Questions are a valuable resource, and far too often in Mafia do we (the general "we" meaning "people that play Mafia") treat them like something less than that. They're especially important to my methodology, and that is amplified further in a game like this where I have very little prior knowledge of the players. Questions help me to orient myself in the game. I also just expanded on some of the rationale underlying questions I had asked AM and Stagg. Do you have a perspective about that?

I agree with asking questions but the questions you asked don’t seem useful to me and mostly seem to invite dragging on a fight that could become one of those pretty-off-topic vicious fights that demoralize and exhaust people. But then people don’t always see value in questions I feel are important to ask, so I probably can’t throw too many stones.

How would I be dragging on a fight given that I limited my questions to just a couple and then left it alone?

@Viscernable why did you eyeroll me?

Because I don’t think this exchange is going anywhere and it’s more productive for me to drop it and see if your questioning methods make more sense to me later. I do like your post on samac.

I think this looks really good for Jay, especially since he followed up on that eyeroll instead of letting it drop when Vissy decided to disengage. The latter is more what I would expect from a bit of distancing, what this looks like is Vissy prodding at someone and then getting decent enough responses back that she didn't have a good argument to make anymore.

 

[WildZoo]

1. @potentialsheltervet - I'm not allowed to sus her until day 4 probably

Oh it's time

 

[WildZoo]

Stagg: less of a lowposter than I thought, and I feel like there is probably enough content to start to form a read, at least for people with more experience playing him. I want to read his tone as villagey but I have a high index of suspicion for Stagg from him reportedly being hard to catch as a wolf



Sketchballs. This almost reads kinda villagey to me from how comfortable he feels with jokingly acting sus, but I vaguely remember him acting like this while scumming (what game?? No idea) and lots of veterans say he’s hard to tone read.

I felt like this was a good question as Santy’s original post didn’t explicitly say “both easy to read and no bussing meta would be ideal”. The followup argument once that was clear seem like NAI general WW philosophy and I don’t see the relevance to the current game, plus bordered on rude about other players’ skill at times, so I’m not interested in it.

But one thing that’s bugging me is that he early on seemed to be objecting to voting someone based on no-bussing-meta “versus” being an easy read, and this lead into him arguing that no-bussing makes an easy read. Staggs, if you think that makes someone an easy read, what was the holdup with the idea of no-bussing being a good mayor quality? You even recognize this later:

So I don’t get why the argument happened in the first place.

I don’t get the objection to noob!mayor, imo often noobs are more co-operative and less prone to main character syndrome/hero-play BS, and although yeah noobs can be unpredictable to read I think on average noob wolves are caught more often than experienced wolves. Plus they’re fun to watch enjoying being mayor.

Hmmm

 

[WildZoo]

I think a lot of my issue with getting an objective read on Miranda is I'm a big softy and there's a lot of ATE going on in these early pages. It does still read authentic to me though.

On the other hand I don't think I'm seeing quite the level of tonal difference from FE that I picked up on in PaWWsta.

 

[WildZoo]

I know you find her easy to read but she did well in every wolf game I played with her and the only time she was easily read was CYO2 (3?)

I’m thinking of Stranger Things, and I don’t have other specific memories of her wolfing in other games which means I was oblivious that she was wolfing during the games.

Discrediting AM's ability to read Barks, looks good for Barks

 

[WildZoo]

Yes, I think he’s scummy

He always village reads himself

You know what, here is my bold assertion that he wants

Yeet santy

Sass!!

 

[kaydubs]

Be Glad You’re A Farmer… Day 4 Tally

Stagg (2) - PSV, Lawpy

@Stagg737 , it’s early but you are in the lead!

2/10 voting
Missing: 8

Vote closes TOMORROW, 3/23, at 10 PM CDT (~31.75 hours).

 

[Lawpy]

Discrediting AM's ability to read Barks, looks good for Barks

That’s a good point

 

[miranda920]

Sass!!

accurate representation of how I felt in that moment

 

[miranda920]

Okay, I'm letting my noob show because it wasn't in our WW dictionary...

What does ATE stand for?

 

[Lawpy]

Okay, I'm letting my noob show because it wasn't in our WW dictionary...

What does ATE stand for?

appeal to emotion pls

 

[miranda920]

appeal to emotion pls

ah I see, thank you 😺

 

[Lawpy]

ah I see, thank you 😺

The catto emoji returns 🤔

 

[miranda920]

The catto emoji returns 🤔

don't read into it, it's not that deep pls

 

[WildZoo]

Stagg: less of a lowposter than I thought, and I feel like there is probably enough content to start to form a read, at least for people with more experience playing him. I want to read his tone as villagey but I have a high index of suspicion for Stagg from him reportedly being hard to catch as a wolf



Sketchballs. This almost reads kinda villagey to me from how comfortable he feels with jokingly acting sus, but I vaguely remember him acting like this while scumming (what game?? No idea) and lots of veterans say he’s hard to tone read.

I felt like this was a good question as Santy’s original post didn’t explicitly say “both easy to read and no bussing meta would be ideal”. The followup argument once that was clear seem like NAI general WW philosophy and I don’t see the relevance to the current game, plus bordered on rude about other players’ skill at times, so I’m not interested in it.

But one thing that’s bugging me is that he early on seemed to be objecting to voting someone based on no-bussing-meta “versus” being an easy read, and this lead into him arguing that no-bussing makes an easy read. Staggs, if you think that makes someone an easy read, what was the holdup with the idea of no-bussing being a good mayor quality? You even recognize this later:

So I don’t get why the argument happened in the first place.

I don’t get the objection to noob!mayor, imo often noobs are more co-operative and less prone to main character syndrome/hero-play BS, and although yeah noobs can be unpredictable to read I think on average noob wolves are caught more often than experienced wolves. Plus they’re fun to watch enjoying being mayor.

Posting this and will edit in any continuation of the conversation. This was Thursday at 9:08pm EDT.

Tally at the time was
Vis (2) - Zenge, AM
miranda (1) - Lawpy
Dubz (1) - samac

I voted for Stagg about an hour later, stayed there for a little over 12 hours before I moved away

Noobs are by nature difficult to read because we know nothing about how they play and they sometimes do things (or don't do things) that lead to poor reads. First time I wolfed I lived because everyone kept saying "a noob wolf wouldn't do that". I don't take that for granted with any noobs. Maybe she's played enough that others feel differently, but I've never played or played 1 game with like half of this roster.


I do think having strong tendencies or rules to not bus or whatever limits how someone will wolf and makes it easier to catch them in general. It's a self-inflicted handicap. I didn't have a hold-up with a "no-bussing" person being mayor and the fact that I voted for AM should show that. I just think it's silly to (strategically) pick a mayor based on random ideas than picking someone who is legitimately easy for you and others to read. This seems like manufactured shade to me. Not a fan.

Stagg's response, Friday at 4:56pm
Tally at the time
Vis (2) - Zenge, AM
miranda (1) - Barky
mighty (3) - samac, Dubz, JJJ
Zenge (1) - Santy
Santy (1) - miranda
lucy (2) - PSV, Lawpy
stoat (1) - mighty

The following bit comes after Stagg breaks a tie towards Vis (I quoted that in a later post)
I'm having a hard time because if it were anyone but Stagg I would say this all looks really good lol especially since the tie was a 3-way that included lucy

Vis (4) - Zenge, AM, Dubz, Stagg
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg ()
mighty (3) - samac, JJJ, Clem
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - miranda
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (3) - PSV, Lawpy, Santy
stoat (1) - mighty

> no bussing makes it easier to catch someone
> you should elect someone who is easy to catch
> someone suggesting that no-bussing meta would be beneficial for a mayor is wrong

Huh? You seriously think my confusion with that thought process is manufactured?

Find the quote where I specifically said that. Because I'm pretty positive I never said that. More shade throwing without evidence is not helping your cause.