StardeWW Valley - GAME THREAD

[supershorty]

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CAST Your Votes - D2 Tally

Sporty (2) - Bob, Sporty
genny ()
kdswg (2) - AM, cubs
Bob (1) - Truey
cubs (1) - kdswg
stoaty ()
True (1) - Barky
PSV (1) - stoaty
Dubz (1) - Zenge
AM (1) - PSV

@SportPonies and @kdswg, you are in the lead!
10/12 voting
Missing: @genny @WildZoo

Vote closes at 9pm EST (8pm CST/6pm fantasyland) on Saturday, 2/5 (~2 hours)

 

[Truenamer]

What if kdws is just a wolf here tho?

Remind me why people were feeling this way? I feel like I haven't seen enough to get a strong feel for her.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Okay

Excellent. Enjoy the suffering that'll ensue after I flip a wolf.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Remind me why people were feeling this way? I feel like I haven't seen enough to get a strong feel for her.

Her POE has been Zenge/cubs/Dana +/- me and she's going to "yeet cubs" until he's flipped.

 

[bluestoat]

So I can't really decide where to rest my final vote.

Nebulous thoughts from my Shelty PM that seem worth leaving on thread:

I have some wondering if I should re-evaluate not voting for kdswg. However, a lot of people who started circling kdswg did so explicitly because she salt yeeted me, and I feel like a lot of tunneling started on her because of a badly received joke vote. If she had entered the thread without that vote, would she have had the same level of attention? So I don't want to give in to herd mentality. Perhaps I can look at overlap between the kdswg votes and the subsequent Sporty/Dana wagons.

I do expect that one or both D1 wagons had a wolf vote on them and because I'm not sure where to vote tonight, I may choose to rest my vote on a common denominator in the wagons-- if I already had that person in my low neutrals. If not, then I will think on it more.

 

[bluestoat]

I also wonder about @kdswg's vote and look forward to her answering my question when she can

 

[Truenamer]

Her POE has been Zenge/cubs/Dana +/- me and she's going to "yeet cubs" until he's flipped.

I mean, I understand Zenge at least, he's felt weirdly pushy/aggro, but Cubs is in the middle of my neutrals and you're clearly village.

 

[cubsrule4e]

How about
Yeet AM

My noob, ladies and gentlemen! Ice water in her veins.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

You take too many of these, granny. Im starting to get concerned.

 

[WildZoo]

It matters to me how my village reads are reading people. It’s not one thing. None of these are ever one thing. It’s always a multitude.

I can’t read this thread looking at you and Sporty and our PM and come away with a v/v conclusion about you and and sporty.

I’m willing to admit I was wrong about sporty. There’s a different cadence to her frustration here and combativeness there.

Well I'm glad you're willing to admit you were wrong about one of us. I don't know why v/v is excluded here though. You don't get to sit in the PM and talk about how she seems different from her village games, and keep trying to draw me into your tunnel, and then when I say yes some things are not outside her wolf meta, but she still doesn't quite feel like wolf!sporty in her interactions with me, suddenly decide you were wrong the whole time and I was trying to manipulate you. That's not what was happening. I was trying to figure out if I could feel ok backing you up on the vote. And for a moment I did, but then her post right after I voted for her and the self vote changed my mind again. That's it.

I know you think you've finally caught me like you've been wanting, but you haven't. And I wish I could say that you finding that out will be satisfying, but it's actually just going to make me sad.

 

[WildZoo]

You take too many of these, granny. Im starting to get concerned.

Me too tbh

 

[Zenge142]

I was trying to figure out if I could feel ok backing you up on the vote.

Your concern with optics over wolf hunting is concerning.

 

[WildZoo]

Your concern with optics over wolf hunting is concerning.

I wasn't concerned about optics I was concerned about the risk of misyeeting my friend if her being upset was sincere, especially in a game I knew she was excited to play. I don't know why you don't understand that.

 

[Barkley13]

Hypothesizing about mechanics here, but based on the title of my PM thread with stoat my guess is if you interact a certain amount on thread you get a "heart" with that player and there's a chance of the mods opening a thread for you two. In the game you have to talk to people a certain number of times and give them gifts they like to build your friendship with them (earn a heart). Or it could be random here.

That’s adorable

How about
Yeet AM

What is this
Why

 

[genny]

Hypothesizing about mechanics here, but based on the title of my PM thread with stoat my guess is if you interact a certain amount on thread you get a "heart" with that player and there's a chance of the mods opening a thread for you two. In the game you have to talk to people a certain number of times and give them gifts they like to build your friendship with them (earn a heart). Or it could be random here.

oh. guess i'm never PMing anyone lol

 

[WildZoo]

Back to genny for now, though I'm thinking about PSV and that AM vote

yeet genny

 

[Truenamer]

Back to genny for now, though I'm thinking about PSV and that AM vote

yeet genny

Is this mostly based on inactivity?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Excellent. Enjoy the suffering that'll ensue after I flip a wolf.

If you flip a wolf I won't suspect you anymore

 

[Animal Midwife]

If you flip a wolf I won't suspect you anymore

I'm not the one who will be suffering.

 

[WildZoo]

Is this mostly based on inactivity?

No not at all, that's NAI. It's a tingling from her posts when she's here.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

What is this
Why

Every time I mention a read it's been rejected, which is fine and part of the game, but I can't yeet no one and I don't like the sporty vote. Not confident enough on kdswg to yeet there either. I feel like there's a wolf hiding in the major vets (genny, zenge, WZ, AM, BLL) and I'm currently hovering on AM. I don't want to sound like an oversensitive noob but if no matter who I yeet people are going to tell me I'm wrong I may as well go where the wind takes me.
Anyway, I'm not expecting her to get yoten today so if someone she's been pushing, like kdswg, winds up flipping wolf, that'll solve the AM situation for me and I'll focus on someone else.

 

[supershorty]

CAST Your Votes - D2 Tally

Sporty (2) - Bob, Sporty
genny (1) - Dubz
kdswg (2) - AM, cubs
Bob (1) - Truey
cubs (1) - kdswg
stoaty ()
True (1) - Barky
PSV (1) - stoaty
Dubz (1) - Zenge
AM (1) - PSV

@SportPonies and @kdswg, you are in the lead!
11/12 voting
Missing: @genny

Vote closes at 9pm EST (8pm CST/6pm fantasyland) on Saturday, 2/5 (~1.25 hours)

 

[cubsrule4e]

Your concern with optics over wolf hunting is concerning.

zengy pls, optics is my field. Let the poor girl be.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm not the one who will be suffering.

Spoiler: Are you threatening me?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Every time I mention a read it's been rejected, which is fine and part of the game, but I can't yeet no one and I don't like the sporty vote. Not confident enough on kdswg to yeet there either. I feel like there's a wolf hiding in the major vets (genny, zenge, WZ, AM, BLL) and I'm currently hovering on AM. I don't want to sound like an oversensitive noob but if no matter who I yeet people are going to tell me I'm wrong I may as well go where the wind takes me.
Anyway, I'm not expecting her to get yoten today so if someone she's been pushing, like kdswg, winds up flipping wolf, that'll solve the AM situation for me and I'll focus on someone else.

You haven't even touched Bob once. When did he get rejected?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You haven't even touched Bob once. When did he get rejected?

He hasn't been. I'm just currently leaning more neutral on him... for now. I find what he said yesterday about ignoring the conversion possibility to be an overreaction similar to a wolf trying too hard to play village but I don't feel strongly enough to yeet him yet.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Spoiler: Are you threatening me?

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Spoiler: Not quite...

 

[Animal Midwife]

He hasn't been. I'm just currently leaning more neutral on him... for now. I find what he said yesterday about ignoring the conversion possibility to be an overreaction similar to a wolf trying too hard to play village but I don't feel strongly enough to yeet him yet.

So then it's not for lack of everything being shot down. You just don't want to yeet in the POE. I'm specifically giving you an opening and your ignoring it.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

So then it's not for lack of everything being shot down. You just don't want to yeet in the POE. I'm specifically giving you an opening and your ignoring it.

Can you say this again but like you were talking to a third grader?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Can you say this again but like you were talking to a third grader?

You said you voted me because you're frustrated that every vote option has been shut down. I pointed out you can go after Bob who is in multiple people's POE + already on the board. You rejected it and said he's not that wolfy. So then that's not why you're voting for me. You're voting for me to burn time outside the POE.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You said you voted me because you're frustrated that every vote option has been shut down. I pointed out you can go after Bob who is in multiple people's POE + already on the board. You rejected it and said he's not that wolfy. So then that's not why you're voting for me. You're voting for me to burn time outside the POE.

Okay, but what if this is a good point. I'm not trying to burn time outside the POE. I'm trying to catch wolves and it's frustrating to be shut down whenever you venture a theory. I'm recalling how Bob has twice thrown shade at things I've said as being similar to something he'd said when wolfing in the past and I don't like it, plus I think flipping Bob would be beneficial to refine POEs. I'm not afraid to revisit you later, though.
So then I'm going to unyeet AM
Yeet Bob

 

[kdswg]

This has a certain "Vissy definitely feels very wolfy, yeet YK" energy to it. Explain what's wolfy about Cubs to you? I had a d1 cubbie vote for a bit and migrated away from it. Curious what you see there.

I was giving updated reads as of the night prior, but nothing had changed by that point to make me reevaluate cubs, which is why my vote stayed the same as D1. I've said it before, but the day 1 weirdness, jumping onto me after samac (despite lots of seemingly arbitrary wolf reads), and if anything everyone dismissing his weirdness as TWTBW drew my attention more. Why is everyone else so confident he's village???

I just don't like her inability to acknowledge any information about potential village reads. Like she's decided she just going to vote cubs forever without any evaluation that I can see on him.

She was also part of that tie so I expect movement regardless of affiliation to protect herself.

Honestly, I haven't been giving many village reads because I'm a lot less confident about them. The only person I can ever feel 100% confident about is myself, and I tend to overthink- I can find a wolfy motivation for anything if I think long enough about it. And the people I am leaning village, its mostly due to vibes so I don't put a ton of faith in it. Its probably not the best strategy, but thats the way my mind works.

Her POE has been Zenge/cubs/Dana +/- me and she's going to "yeet cubs" until he's flipped.

The same can be said for you and cubs about me? I'm just sticking with my biggest hunch

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@WildZoo Have you gleaned anything interesting from your PM with Cubs?
@cubsrule4e Vice versa

 

[supershorty]

CAST Your Votes - D2 Tally

Sporty (2) - Bob, Sporty
genny (1) - Dubz
kdswg (2) - AM, cubs
Bob (2) - Truey, PSV
cubs (1) - kdswg
stoaty ()
True (1) - Barky
PSV (1) - stoaty
Dubz (1) - Zenge
AM ()

@SportPonies, @kdswg, and @BobLoblaw78, you are in the lead!
11/12 voting
Missing: @genny

Vote closes at 9pm EST (8pm CST/6pm fantasyland) on Saturday, 2/5 (~56 minutes)

 

[Barkley13]

@Barkley13 explain why True is wolfy to you

Out of curiosity, what about me has pinged you? Despite my jokes yesterday, I'm really not trying to artificially sound wolfy (anymore 😅)

The joking yesterday didn't seem really AI to me. Like I said before, the posts after yeet close yesterday felt sketchy to me even after you explained them. It was also interested that you wanted to yeet him yesterday for being absent and want to yeet him today for showing up and acting different. Had some focus on PRs (samac having one, sporty not). Also looking back, there's some reads that seem hedgy at times (like his zenge read). So a bunch of little things adding up.

Spoiler: Zenge Read

Dubz
Stoat
AM
Sporty
Zenge
cubs
Barkley
KDS
PSV
genny
Bob

Had zenge as yellow, #5 highest, not too bad but below sporty

No it’s more of a “Yikes, I feel like this is wolfy crafted list”

I understand some people might not see the “Sporty is a wolf” argument.

But I’d like you to make the case for why you think Sporty is more of a villager than me.

Because it feels like maybe you put your packmate higher up than you should have.

I’d also like to hear your reasoning for why Genny is so low. I’m not prepared to village read Genny but I don’t think I’ve seen you make a case for having her so low on your list.

Zenge questions the reads, implies that true may be wolfy

You're lower than Sporty because she's had some iffy moments but you've had a ton of them. I'll try and go through your posts later today or tomorrow to clarify my feelings, but you've felt off to me.

Starts to turn on zenge and calls him off. (Did he ever go through zenge's posts?)

Guess now is when I should say that I would be comfortable voting for sporty if most of AM/Dubz/cubs/Stoat/zenge thought that that was the right move.

But then is willing to vote for sporty (#4 highest read) if zenge thinks so?

Wat? Didn't you say earlier you nearly voted for cubs and zenge/cubs are lower than sporty in your reads??

Shelty questions it

Yeah, and then I laid you all out in a rainbow and realized that I find most of you suspicious right now. Which means that I have to be wrong about most of the people I find suspicious, since there can only be like three-ish wolves.

So those are the five people I find least suspicious. They can't all be wolves. So if most of them want to yeet someone, I'm willing to trust that I'm overlooking something.

And then an explanation that didn't really make me feel better. I don't understand having zenge that high, then saying he's been sketchy the whole time, then saying he would follow his vote because he's one of the least suspicious

I feel like I need to go back over zenge's posts now, because this isn't the first time his logic has felt very specious to me.

I mean, I understand Zenge at least, he's felt weirdly pushy/aggro, but Cubs is in the middle of my neutrals and you're clearly village.

Then a couple more posts throwing shade on zenge

 

[Animal Midwife]

I was giving updated reads as of the night prior, but nothing had changed by that point to make me reevaluate cubs, which is why my vote stayed the same as D1. I've said it before, but the day 1 weirdness, jumping onto me after samac (despite lots of seemingly arbitrary wolf reads), and if anything everyone dismissing his weirdness as TWTBW drew my attention more. Why is everyone else so confident he's village???

Honestly, I haven't been giving many village reads because I'm a lot less confident about them. The only person I can ever feel 100% confident about is myself, and I tend to overthink- I can find a wolfy motivation for anything if I think long enough about it. And the people I am leaning village, its mostly due to vibes so I don't put a ton of faith in it. Its probably not the best strategy, but thats the way my mind works.

The same can be said for you and cubs about me? I'm just sticking with my biggest hunch

Not even remotely the same. I've mentioned other people I'm okay with flipping and people I'm village reading.

 

[bluestoat]

Why is everyone else so confident he's village???

For me it's all vet's opinions lol. Seems like he wolf-coded over half the noobs and there was a reflexive "wtf" on the noob player side. A schism ensued of noobs seeing him as wolfy and vets being like "doesn't seem wolfy to me," so I'm putting him in my neutrals based on insufficient information to persuade me one direction over the other.

 

[Barkley13]

Okay, but what if this is a good point. I'm not trying to burn time outside the POE. I'm trying to catch wolves and it's frustrating to be shut down whenever you venture a theory. I'm recalling how Bob has twice thrown shade at things I've said as being similar to something he'd said when wolfing in the past and I don't like it, plus I think flipping Bob would be beneficial to refine POEs. I'm not afraid to revisit you later, though.
So then I'm going to unyeet AM
Yeet Bob

Interesting

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo Have you gleaned anything interesting from your PM with Cubs?
@cubsrule4e Vice versa

I'm still reading him village, if that's what you're asking

 

[Barkley13]

Why is everyone else so confident he's village???

He doesn't sound like wolf cubs
Also that would be a lot of attention to draw to himself D1 if he was a wolf. Especially as someone who tends to be an easy push.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm still reading him village, if that's what you're asking

Yeah pretty much

 

[kdswg]

For me it's all vet's opinions lol. Seems like he wolf-coded over half the noobs and there was a reflexive "wtf" on the noob player side. A schism ensued of noobs seeing him as wolfy and vets being like "doesn't seem wolfy to me," so I'm putting him in my neutrals based on insufficient information to persuade me one direction over the other.

Thats what gives me pause-most of the vet opinions were "huh, I don't think I've seen cubs act like this before but i don't think he'd be THAT stupid to be like this as a wolf", not "oh thats just classic cubs"

 

[Barkley13]

Interesting

And interesting in a potentially sketchy way because she backed down fast when AM pushed her

 

[potentialsheltervet]

And interesting in a potentially sketchy way because she backed down fast when AM pushed her

That's not AI. I'm just very intimidated by AM and also a weenie.

 

[kdswg]

Thats what gives me pause-most of the vet opinions were "huh, I don't think I've seen cubs act like this before but i don't think he'd be THAT stupid to be like this as a wolf", not "oh thats just classic cubs"

He doesn't sound like wolf cubs
Also that would be a lot of attention to draw to himself D1 if he was a wolf. Especially as someone who tends to be an easy push.

lol, point proven. It seems like it would be very easy to hide behind these kind of reactions under the guise of "just trying something new as a villager"

 

[cubsrule4e]

And interesting in a potentially sketchy way because she backed down fast when AM pushed her

I would think most noobs would fold to her or any strong vet pushback with a solid response.

 

[cubsrule4e]

@WildZoo Have you gleaned anything interesting from your PM with Cubs?
@cubsrule4e Vice versa

yeah pretty much everything shes also said on thread at some point, with a brief moment of crop shop talk (im growing better ones than her 😛)

 

[bluestoat]

That's not AI. I'm just very intimidated by AM and also a weenie.

Who among us is NOT intimidated by AM?

 

[WildZoo]

yeah pretty much everything shes also said on thread at some point, with a brief moment of crop shop talk (im growing better ones than her 😛)

How dare you

 

[supershorty]

Who among us is NOT intimidated by AM?

@Animal Midwife SHE SAID AMONG US, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT MEANS SHE HAS TO PLAY WITH US TONIGHT