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Think I am leaning towards Mel today, if he lied about Pip role revealing and if he knew she was going to seer him. I agree that the redirect seems wolfy, and that combined with Mel knowing she was seering him is more than a little sketchy.

For now lynch Mel
 
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
I wanted to lynch Gryff today and I still want to lynch Gryff. Nothing he/she has done is making me feel any better about still being in the game. However I might take a back burner for that temporarily as per notes below.

Now that we have Staff confirmed village (providing Pip didn't rez wolf and is screwing with us) I am interested in seeing who voted that way since that would have been a good lynch to jump on as a wolf. Coop, AM, and Dy voted Staff D1. D2 it was Genny, Coop, VMH, Allie, Mel, AM, and FTB. I suspect at least one of them is a wolf.
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I voted for Staff because I realized last minute that Allie was village, and the only other viable lynch candidate (besides myself) on the board was Staff. I'd rather vote for someone who was at the time was a question mark.

ETA: *insert nice thing about Michigan*
 
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Melchizedek said:
I voted for Staff because I realized last minute that Allie was village, and the only other viable lynch candidate (besides myself) on the board was Staff. I'd rather vote for someone who was at the time was a question mark.
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Wasn't your reason for thinking she was village village code? Which isn't evidence.
 
Gonna be honest, still don't see the redirects as wolfy (and no, I'm not the redirector). They feel 100% to me like when Crayola was the redirector back in the game where she took out 80% of the wolf pack on her own using redirection (as a wolf in that game, the devastating accuracy of her plays was just astonishing). She redirected people she thought had power roles onto players she thought were fishy (so pip with a reasonable suspicion of a power role thanks to defense by Mel onto staff who was definitely fishy). The moves make sense to me. I could be 100% wrong, but I also don't think I've seen a wolf redirector in... ever? If the redirector is wolfy then I'll concede that chili doesn't have to have beans, but I just don't feel it.

If dy is a wolf with an every even night bonus kill... I don't really want to wait around for her to use it again.
 
dyachei said:
So because I have a different play philosophy than you, I must be a wolf?

Killing people in the pool of suspects helps you find wolves. That's all there is to it.

I'd rather crack a few eggs.

Culturally I should have remembered that sdn feels that way but i didn't. I'm not used to playing here anymore. I'm pretty sure I won't continue to come back
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Meh dy rage quits all the time from this forum but I happen to agree with her here. It narrows the suspect pool and might get a wolf, good either way. She was right to feel so strongly about me anyways. But Dy if I can defend myself for a moment, look at the time stamps on my lynch votes why would I switch to a wolf with so little time left on the docket when I could have easily ended up in the situation I did yesterday where my vote no longer counted? Or for that matter changed it with so little time in between if I had just realized I was a wolf or greeny was a fellow wolf?

Now besides the debate about my sketch factor your role claim seems a little more extra for a wolf on even nights than an even night vigilante. One I've heard of and makes sense one does not. On that note,

Lynch Dysocruel
 
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TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
-I was thinking Coop was more villagey because of that last minute D1 lynch wafflefest, but apparently others don't agree. However the voting of Staff 2 days in a row now (esp since the vote of Staff was away from a wolf (despite me finding the vote for the wolf in the first place villagery)) is making me question that assessment I made yesterday.
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Nope, I agree with you. I thought she might be the redirector, tbh.
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
-Still no reads on Genny, but noting this for the future
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Genny's D1 vote for you was wolfy af given that I think you are pretty cleared atm based on greenie flipping wolf.
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
Thought Dy was playing different than normal, but DVMD thinks it is consistent. She did play more in-the-background in the last game I played with her where she wolfed. I don't know what to think, but I agree with DVMD that I highly doubt she would support Dy in a wolf-wolf scenario so I suspect one or both of them is village.
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I agree with this - I don't see DVMD defending her if they were both wolves.
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
-Didn't know how to read FTB yesterday besides the one weird comment, but this vote and lack of content again today has me starting to lean wolfy.
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Also still have wolf lean on her; comments today have not made me feel better about her

TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
If he lied about Pip role revealing that is sketchy as all hell. Gryff voting him D2 makes me wonder a little bit, but that goes back to me being sketched out by Gryff. If Mel flips wolf I could possibly loosen up on Gryff (providing they actually start playing the freaking game).
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Gryff is giving me the same vibes that NSFW did when he was playing. Annoying, but weird to the point that I am leaning slightly more village.
 
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
Also don't know why Dy wouldn't have just claimed a 1 shot vigilante, since this pretty much guarantees wolves going after her.
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I disagree. I feel like depending on who she thinks is suspicious, the wolves might keep her around. Like if she thinks mostly villagers are suspicious, then those are the ones she's more likely to try to kill so why not let her kill off more villagers? Also if she only had one shot, she would be a more confirmed villager which would make the wolves want to kill her sooner then later.
 
Crayola227 said:
I sorta crapped these out, in that I'm super tired (I said I was going to sleep hours ago), and I'm producing them on demand for AM. I say crapped out, because if I had the energy I'd finish my re-read past 8/23 pages, and use that to be more specific in supporting my reads. As such, it's just the "feels" I been keeping in my gut as I go.

Wolfy
Mel
Snowy
Dy
KC
Cowgirl
Pippy

Reasons for each have already been given, and for once in my life I'd like to keep this short.

Village
jonna - reads as noob besides the "lurking" I mentioned earlier, seems pretty informed as far as how the game works, but not to the point I find wolfy, seems like a believable amount of research supporting it
staff - Pip's vouch, which admittedly shouldn't hold much weight for me, but besides my comment earlier about seeming "too smart" since then they have otherwise come off as a noob, and I suspect some of the excitement to lynch was just because he was being difficult. We can hardly keep from lynching noobs when they play nice, let alone give lip.
genny - she hasn't said much, but she feels different from wolfy genny, less inscrutable, more helpful
coop - besides the waffling, didn't really see what the big deal here was
paws - I could go the other way with paws, is a bit more aggressive this game, but more importantly, seems more confident. That could just be having more games under her belt, but I think as a wolf she was pretty insecure and I could not see her playing this confident and putting out opinions so strongly if not a villager.
Jilary - participation feels more like village, doesn't seem as inscrutable as wolfy Jilary

Not enough to decide, need to speak up, a few thoughts on each though
AM - I had her as a village lean, and I still do. However, she's something of a one-way mirror at this point.
DVMD - posts are fluffy like when she was a wolf, but I can't point to anything else at all.
FTB - didn't like the first day votes for her based on her one post about PMs, however the follow up posts haven't been very substantial
Gryff - I see the attitude that has been bugging people.
3m - see group title
VMH - I don't have any meta on VMH besides sneaky.
SP - opened a PM with me as I asked, besides saying hi we haven't said anything more, that's mutual.
Kara - has participated, and I have agreed with her so far. I don't have her as village though, because I just don't have that "feeling" to say I'll put thoughts of her being a good wolf on the backburner. But I can't say I have any reasons to suspect her beyond lacking a solid village feeling.
kata - hasn't said much, I would lean village but needs to say more
BBC - same as 3m
LyraGardenia - same as BBC

Normally I would have all the ? people as sketchier, I detest quiet players. Maybe it's because I have a solid list of people I find really sketch, maybe because it's only the second day and most haven't been *that* silent so it hasn't sunk in yet, maybe I'm just getting less paranoid with age.
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Oh you are so sketch right now to me. After today I'm going after you hard. If I do die (lynched, vig shot whichever) people please look at craysosketchy
 
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Has Pippy confirmed whether or not what Mel is saying about the timing of her role reveal to be true or not?? I can't recall. It would be nice, since if he lied that would be pretty damning.
 
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
Wasn't your reason for thinking she was village village code? Which isn't evidence.
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I feel like Mel otherwise would know better than to sound that confident, using something as flimsy as villager code, especially when the mods said not to and he seems very aware of methods they have around it being any use.
 
Melchizedek said:
Because she also handed you a perfect scapegoat when she said to lynch me if she died.
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Literally one of the only reasons why I am not voting for you at the moment.
Although I am also not really getting a wolfy vibe from Cowgirl on the thread or in PM.
Melchizedek said:
Looking through FTB's 16 posts this game and how has no one already gotten on her case about not making any significant contributions to the game?
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No one has gotten on her case? I am pretty sure I have been on her case since D1?
 
PippyPony said:
I actually have not really been reading @Coopah as particularly wolfy, which will be a shock to her, I'm sure lol

She was too waffley on those votes imo to actually know what she was doing lol

Argument against the redirector being wolfy is that I was up for lynch D1 and staff was also getting attention from people for looking wolfy. Given the perception of a mutual defense there, I could see someone making that as a logical choice. Not one I particularly agree with or appreciated, but I would be lying if I said I couldn't see the reasoning behind it.
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😱😱😱😱😱 pipirrini why are you always right about me? It's a talent
 
The dy situation is weird. I don't know if I think mel and dy would be wolves. Probably going to switch my vote to dy, because every other night vig seems like there are more then 2 shots which is typically a vig's max. Unless its an rng percentage the person actually dies. I do think vigilantes are useful in games though. Hmmm... I don't know what I think of her hint this morning. I feel like she could actually have been giving a hint, but she's also a veteran who I wouldn't put it past to say that as a wolf for future village cred. Going to think on this before I change my vote.
 
Also, I was thinking the redirector seemed village. It has been a village role in the last few games, and I think the chances of the wolves using that and a kill on pippy are not very high.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
The dy situation is weird. I don't know if I think mel and dy would be wolves. Probably going to switch my vote to dy, because every other night vig seems like there are more then 2 shots which is typically a vig's max. Unless its an rng percentage the person actually dies. I do think vigilantes are useful in games though. Hmmm... I don't know what I think of her hint this morning. I feel like she could actually have been giving a hint, but she's also a veteran who I wouldn't put it past to say that as a wolf for future village cred. Going to think on this before I change my vote.
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I thought you were still considered nooby? where did you become the WW statistician? I get that I'm always quoting mafiawiki, but I attribute my sourse... then make dumb mistakes.
 
Coopah said:
Lol I'm already dead puppero you can't save me
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wtf is this?

I would also point out, that if I was a wolf, at this point it would be totally stupid for the pack to decide to kill coopah after her little call out. I would like to know why twice Coopah has hinted at her imminent demise. What does she know? Share with the class.
 
Crayola227 said:
wtf is this?

I would also point out, that if I was a wolf, at this point it would be totally stupid for the pack to decide to kill coopah after her little call out. I would like to know why twice Coopah has hinted at her imminent demise. What does she know? Share with the class.
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I know I always sketchy af. According to dy I should already be dead. The rest of you will lynch eventually. And you're so sketch crayons because you but me down as village. Now that's crazy. The only one who would know that is wolfies
 
Crayola227 said:
I thought you were still considered nooby? where did you become the WW statistician? I get that I'm always quoting mafiawiki, but I attribute my sourse... then make dumb mistakes.
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Going off the games I've played/watched. Hence I know I might be wrong, but I was also thinking if it's a common thing in MU to have eon vig and not so common on sdn then dy might be trying to use it as a cover was my thought.

Coopah said:
Interesting snowypoo looks like the redirecter to me, I'm probs wrong but eh.
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Probably wrong 😉
 
Coopah said:
I know I always sketchy af. According to dy I should already be dead. The rest of you will lynch eventually. And you're so sketch crayons because you but me down as village. Now that's crazy. The only one who would know that is wolfies
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to be fair, even though I agree cray is sketch and should be lynched soon, I also have you down as probably village. Just based on the greeney voting can't see you putting her ahead so close to lynch close.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
to be fair, even though I agree cray is sketch and should be lynched soon, I also have you down as probably village. Just based on the greeney voting can't see you putting her ahead so close to lynch close.
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Yeah but for some reason it doesn't sound weird when you say it snowydoggo 😉

(In reality it was the way it was a brush off with no reasoning: "doesn't see what the big deal is" as if she could just be like see I told you later)
 
Coopah said:
I know I always sketchy af. According to dy I should already be dead. The rest of you will lynch eventually. And you're so sketch crayons because you but me down as village. Now that's crazy. The only one who would know that is wolfies
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lmao, the last thing wolves try to do is clear sketchy villagers of being sketchy

the only time that's a good move is if you're trying to pocket them and have some reason to want to

maybe if you think a defense of them will net you village cred when they flip village - do you think me just saying I don't get the big deal about you being wolf is going to do that for me? or did I just stick my neck out for no payoff?

if I'm so wolfy, why did I defend Allie's defense of Greeny? I doubled down on that when it was clear she was going down. Why didn't I bus her? It wasn't like there wasn't plenty of time for me to. What I did didn't help me as a villager or a wolf. Who does that? Uninformed majority, that's who. Or it was all part of my plot so I could use it as a defense, like now. Along with all the stupid mistakes I've made. I'm a true wolf mastermind. Nevermind I hardly pulled off a vanillager plot or playing my villager self as a wolf. Now I'm enacting plots within plots that all draw attention to myself.

I will laugh sooooooo hard at you all when I flip village. It will be hilarious like with Allie, because the reasoning is sooooo stupid.
 
Crayola227 said:
lmao, the last thing wolves try to do is clear sketchy villagers of being sketchy

the only time that's a good move is if you're trying to pocket them and have some reason to want to

maybe if you think a defense of them will net you village cred when they flip village - do you think me just saying I don't get the big deal about you being wolf is going to do that for me? or did I just stick my neck out for no payoff?

if I'm so wolfy, why did I defend Allie's defense of Greeny? I doubled down on that when it was clear she was going down. Why didn't I bus her? It wasn't like there wasn't plenty of time for me to. What I did didn't help me as a villager or a wolf. Who does that? Uninformed majority, that's who. Or it was all part of my plot so I could use it as a defense, like now. Along with all the stupid mistakes I've made. I'm a true wolf mastermind. Nevermind I hardly pulled off a vanillager plot or playing my villager self as a wolf. Now I'm enacting plots within plots that all draw attention to myself.

I will laugh sooooooo hard at you all when I flip village. It will be hilarious like with Allie, because the reasoning is sooooo stupid.
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Worth it crazycray
 
Unofficial Day 3 Lynch Tally
staff () -
SoFlo (1) - Lyra
dy (6) - vmh, jboo, AM, Pippy, kc, Coop
Mel (6) - Snowy, Sporty, Jil, Cray, dy, Fern

13/24
lynch close in 6 hours
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Also, I was thinking the redirector seemed village. It has been a village role in the last few games, and I think the chances of the wolves using that and a kill on pippy are not very high.
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What if the kill fails and Mel is a wolf. She told him she was seering him. Why not redirect and kill?
 
Crayola227 said:
I feel like Mel otherwise would know better than to sound that confident, using something as flimsy as villager code, especially when the mods said not to and he seems very aware of methods they have around it being any use.
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This.

Crayola227 said:
Has Pippy confirmed whether or not what Mel is saying about the timing of her role reveal to be true or not?? I can't recall. It would be nice, since if he lied that would be pretty damning.
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Pippy?

PippyPony said:
Literally one of the only reasons why I am not voting for you at the moment.
Although I am also not really getting a wolfy vibe from Cowgirl on the thread or in PM.

No one has gotten on her case? I am pretty sure I have been on her case since D1?
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I'm bored arguing over who gets credit for calling out whom again, that was tiring enough last game.

Cowgirl started off feeling like a noob responding exactly like I would expect a noob to respond when put in her situation, but it doesn't also mean that there's not a wolf-pack behind her. Entertaining the idea of me being scapegoated:

Mel Wagon Lynch Tracker
D2Cowgirl (+1,1)
LIS (+1,2)
Jil (+1,3)
DVMD (+1,4)
LIS (-1,3)
Gryff (+1,4)
Jil (-1,3)
DVMD (-1,2)

D3
Snowy (+1,1)
SP (+1,2)
Jil (+1,3)
Cray (+1,4)
Dy (+1,5)
Fern (+1,6)
DVMD (+1,7)

Cowgirl - See above

Jil - gets super sketch points for being the third person on the wagon both days. Yes this is a personal wolf-hunting rule I use and usually only means half a sketch point, but she does it two days in a row which sets off alarms in my head. This coupled with the fact that she unlynched me after LIS dropped off my wagon and switched another super sketchy, easy to push wagon showed up (Gryff) makes me give her more sketch points.

DVMD - I'm feeling the familiar feeling of tunnelling, but see previous posts about why I think DVMD is sketch. Add the fact that she hedged about voting me the beginning of D2 and only did so after after she saw I was a viable lynch target.

Gryff - I originally felt like he was wolfish, but going back to those posts near the end of D2, I think this is just a player who hasn’t caught on how to actually play this game. His play just is too weird and I feel like if he had some coaching (i.e. a wolf-pack) it wouldn’t be so bizarre.

Snowy - I’ll eat my words. Yeah I went hard after snowy because I thought she was playing her wolfy meta, but isolating her more recent posts I have null to slight village lean on her.

SP - her voting for me seems like something she’d do as village given the evidence.

Cray - Still skimming her posts because honestly just looking at her walls just makes me lose the will to read through it all. Maybe any other game, but this game, given some IRL stuff, i’m too drained to read it all. But I do like the case Pippy has built regarding Dy and Cray. Willing to leave that up to someone else to figure out.

Dy - I hate Vigilantes (if what she’s claiming is true). And most of you know exactly why. Could vote here out of pure policy lynch.

Fern - Still giving her village points for the greeney lynch D1, but I could go all tin-foil-hat on her for a variety of reasons.

BIG assumption that has to be true in order for any of this to hold weight:
1. Cowgirl is a wolf who is using Pippy’s gambit to mislynch me.

Other extrapolations from that assumption:
1a. this means that the wolves may or may not have used my post defending Pippy as reason to think she had an ability.
1b. The redirect was possibly wolfy because the wolves knew Pippy had AN ability, but didn’t know she was a seer and couldn't risk letting her use a tracker, or a reflexive kill or something on them.

Michigan is awesome

ETA: DVMD's most recent vote, I was ninja'd while typing.
 
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