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[jaboo]

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Just a side note, I am a she. A couple people have started calling me "johnnyboo," which is fine, but just wanted to let you guys know. My username is my first name + boo and I was named after my uncle, so it makes sense that some people would latch onto that.

 

[Teepster87]

Why are you in stars? you are alive

It wasn't directly game related

 

[LetItSnow]

Specifically want to know the thoughts behind your vote lis

Sure.

With regards to my Cheezy vote.... Pippy was between Mel and Cowgirl on the roster, so could connect with them. Sure, wolves may have just taken a shot based on reading between the lines, but when the seer goes down, Mel admits to knowing about the role, and Cowgirl comes out saying that Pippy said to vote Cheezy if she died ... I'm gonna roll with that. At least for an early vote.

Way I see it: Fern, Kara, KC are as cleared as I can make anyone right now. It'd be ballsy to bus Greengirl like that. Granted, I'd do it, but I think most people won't on D1, and I don't see Fern or Kara as being willing to do it. Kcoughli, maybe, but for now I'm gonna assume not.

I also liked Fern's recent evaluation post. I didn't agree with all her assessments, but in general it read strong village.

I think Staff needs to be lynched, but mostly for being kinda a dick with the whole "I can do what I want" thing without any explanations. That just won't fly in the sense of helping the village, so might as well lynch and take a shot that Staff's wolf play is dickish. I'm getting real tired of a few people asking for Staff to explain his/her vote and her just coming back with an "I can do what I want" kinda thing. Yeah, you can do what you want. And it can get you lynched.

I think FTB needs to be lynched, same reason as D1.

I'm kinda curious where Pippy's DVMD vote came from.

And SoFloGryff .... well, if she really is voting to lynch herself, you know me - I'll get on that lynch.

 

[LetItSnow]

Is this a new speak and say line?

Ha. It just annoys me for someone to try and argue that I a) said someone was sketch, but b) didn't vote for them, therefore c) I might be a wolf.

That's complete bull****. There are always multiple people on my radar. I can only vote one at a time.

 

[LetItSnow]

LIS saying someone is sketch and then not voting for them - exactly what he did when I wolfed with him a game ago. However, it's not clear to me how much he does this as a villager. Often he tunnels someone strongly while analyzing and conceding where others are sketch - even when his vote doesn't go there.

Stop and think logically about what you're arguing.

For me not to be 'guilty' of what you're describing (or for anyone else not to be guilty of it) I'd only be able to verbalize finding one person sketchy at any one time.

It's dumb, CrayCray.

Besides, I voted consistently for a wolf the entire game we wolf'd together. 🙂

 

[LetItSnow]

Greeney's only comment was that it was interesting people were lynching so early. Which makes me think there weren't wolves lynching anyone yet. So that semi clears AM, Sporty, and Kara in my books.

Hm. I'm not seeing that.

Greeney was a wolf, but why would her making that comment mean that all the people voting early were not wolves?

I read the comment as sketchy, because it seemed like a "I want to post, but I want to see which way the wind is blowing before I jump on something" type of deal. I don't see it clearning AM/Sporty/Kara in any way. (Though in my book, Kara is semi-clear because Greeney turned on to be a wolf and I don't see Kara being someone to bus D1.)

 

[LetItSnow]

Dy is much much more talkative than I remember and it is throwing me off. @DVMDream you said this is normal for her though?

Caveat: Do not take this as defense of Dy. I'm just evaluating and replying to your comment.

Dy is recovering from surgery and is laid up; being more active is consistent.

In any case, she hasn't played here in a while but yes, I think being more talkative and combative is consistent with her play in recent years.

All to say - I don't find her play out of ordinary for her. But she's super savvy.

 

[Karabiner13]

Hey all, sorry for not being around yesterday. Hanging with slacker mod (@WildZoo) this weekend. Going to read through from the beginning as I haven't been keeping up that well

 

[Animal Midwife]

@fromthebox Could I hear some of your thoughts today?

 

[LetItSnow]

It wasn't directly game related

These are the sum total of your posts this game. Would it be ok with you if you actually made some game-related comments? You're 1 for 3 so far.

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Sorry folks, got lifed a bit pretty hard today. Just got back from across state picking up my nephew in the middle of the night.

I'll be better in the future.
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Useless.

This caught my interest, after what I felt was a pretty soft vote for cray. Since she "doesnt know everyone". I might be reading too deep, but the quoted above is striking me as throwing up feels for a fellow wolf to be able to point back to it later as having correct suspicions.

Lynch cowgirl

Ok, game-related. It's pretty weak, but at least it's playing.

It wasn't directly game related

Annnnnd useless.

Rather than spending 66% of your few posts telling us about why you can't play, how about playing?

 

[JustPaws]

This is ridiculous, because it's the same crap about me that always comes up early in the game. Plus you guys wolfed with me the first time I ever wolfed, one game ago, so you should have some idea about me.
It would be hilarious if I got a post restriction where I had to like every post, but as you can see, totally unnecessary. I think I actually didn't like a few.

I am fully aware that people find comments about how they will be busy, to be a wolfy excuse to be seen on thread less. You know when I wolfed last time I took great pains to provide all the content expected of me. If I was wolf again, I wouldn't mention the excuse, and I wouldn't lie low, because it's seen as wolfy. It seems to me more likely that a villager would risk looking wolfy to excuse what might look like wolf behavior but is unavoidable IRL stuff, to avoid being lynched, as a way to help village. It seems like all downside for a wolf to draw that kind of attention to gameplay...
...I'm glad I said all that before I get wolf-killed N1 like I did last game.

Yesterday I agreed with you about Pippy questioning you about your likes, we've discussed this in several threads and it goes round and round. Today after rereading, these posts of yours seem just like the ones when you wolfed and Pippy and LIS told you to lay it on thick cuz you needed to sound like yourself.

The WIFOM? Not at all wolfy for her.

The overreaction? I guess, in all honesty, not much. She tends to get verbosely defensive quickly. But that one felt like a lot even for Crayola.

I dunno. It’s a good point. Maybe I should move my vote. Hmm.

I just keep wishing CrayCray would move from 75% defensive play to 75% offensive play.

NOt sure why I quoted this one, I know yesterday I agreed with it. LIS seems village right now, but he really is very hard to spot as a wolf.

Was feeling the same way but now leaning less towards Cray, cuz she really does these posts every game... Including the last wolf one... So could come back to this tomorrow.
lynch FTB
Allie is still on my sketch list, and has faded off the thread which is also suspicious. Could be swayed that direction.
Edit: typo ftm instead of ftb

Still have feels for FTB, still have feels for Allie especially with greenie a wolf.

I really would like to hear more from Allie today to decide if I want to keep my vote there. Also having slight feels for FTB and Crayola, but willing to hold off on Crayola for now if she's always like this.

Agreed with this and then we didn't hear from Allie all day until greenie was lynched

I don't know Staff well, maybe Pippy does. But Pippy is usually considered sketch, and her defending an unknown quantity, could be read as sketch, because: based on what about Staff is Pippy coming to this conclusion? Nevermind I did read Staff as noob with the comment as well. It's Pippy's defense of the noob that is sketchy to me. That dy thought so as well, isn't odd to me.

Allie can come off as sketch too, but not so much as Pippy, in my limited meta. Greeny is also a noob, but I have some frame of reference (more than with Staff) to feel that Greeny was being typical. That is the data point I have that makes Allie's defense of Greeny less sketch to me than Pippy's of Staff. I don't see where Pippy's conclusion came from, but I can see where Allie's did.

Defending Allie, attacking Pippy BEFORE Staff got really weird and unhelpful.

On second thought, reading through all of this again....

Greeny
Greeny's comment does totally come off as a wolf with nothing better to say that wants to be seen saying something. But Greeny is prone to those kinds of errors as a villager (making a candid comment that all villagers should know to avoid to avoid confusing people). I agree now with LIS and others who felt it twist their gut a little.

Staff
OTOH, even as a noob I have never seen, something about Staff's post seems contrived, versus Greeny who seems candid. Candid wolf vs villager remains to be seen. In any case, contrived always pings me more than any kind of nooby slip up or traditionally "wolfy" things being done by a noob or part of someone's typical play....
...FTB
Actually, this post from FTB is thoughtful, and so I don't think it can be dismissed as wolfy fluffy "pretend to help village" at this point. Contributing actual thoughts is no more wolfy than all the people who haven't said much so far.

I am just finding myself disagreeing with Cray so much. defending greenie and FTB who I'm still suspicious of

I don't like who is in the lead for lynch, and I don't like how many people are tied for second place. The fact that there are still 5 votes left to be cast doesn't make me feel much better.

I think the village needs to not lynch FTB, I don't know if the little "pack" of people voting there I should find more or less suspicious for voting there however (Pippy, KC, and Paws are always a bit to me). No offense to Paws, but it seems to me that she often bandwagon votes, villager or wolf, so I can't read anything there. I already said why I think FTB is not a top choice, but my insta-day-1 reads got nothing on all y'all's

Do you have any hard reasons to not think FTB's not a good lynch or are these just feels? Cuz this sounds like a soft vouch

Are you able to pm with FTB? On my phone so not super easy to check roster. I'm just surprised you're going to bat for her so strongly based on one? post.

If she's chatting with you via pm and you think shes not wolfy based on that, at least that's something.

From the information available on thread though I find it pretty suspicious to vouch so strongly for someone based on so little. Options are a wolf who knows FTB is village and is trying to buy cred for herself when FTB flips that way, a wolf trying to save another wolf who's absent and not able to defend, or mason villager.

The majority of those options aren't great, so I'm actually considering switching to you.

I would like to hear from the players who haven't shown up or who have been minimally participating.

Quoting cuz I found myself agreeing with a lot of what KCoughli has said this game

What do you mean by this?

DVMD is usually a little more... strongly worded. Seemed light yesterday, would love more from you. Not saying I think DVMD is wolf leaning yet

Ok. I knew that post would do this.
I am village. I know I haven’t played in a while but do the old timers really think I would post to post as wolf? I prefer to lurk or drive lynches.

Idk y’all. I should not be posting at 2am.

To save my booty.
***lynch Pippy***
And I am about to listen to loud rock music and get laid so I won’t be back to defend myself/don’t have anything better to say.

Not a great defense, and I still have you as wolf lean

I appreciate the explanation.

The KC vs. dy stuff feels like villagers misunderstanding each other to me. I'm also not thrilled about FTB being in the lead (at least as of the last tally) since she (?) hasn't played in quite some time and hasn't been on to defend herself that I've seen.

This was immediately after FTB "defended" herself.

Allie defended greenery then disappeared I thought.

Exactly

I think you should complete that threat 🙂

REally? I know you're new but why are you taunting? And then with possible lynch avoidance...

Contingency lynch DVMD

Really wish I knew why she did this. What was the logic?

I lynch myself.

Uggh. If your going to say things like this, speak up with real thoughts. Cuz if your real thoughts get you lynched, then, hey same result, right? So contribute to village.

So staff taunts AM to vote for him then survived tie? Could be coincidence but would like to hear more about that tomorrow.

###contingency lynch allieh###

For wolf defense.

Again, agreeing a lot with you. Don't know if thats good or bad.

Mmm. Guess I was under the impression that typically all in a tie will die, unless the mod thinks it will be game-breaking or something, or there's an ability at work. Seriously, despite my Mafia article linking, I'm still pretty dumb about this stuff. Besides Mel, I've played a few more on this site than you maybe, but didn't you say once that you were some kind of Mafia geek guru outside of SDN?.

Last game you were spouting all kinds of Mafiawiki logic and sounding like you were a professor on this game This game you keep saying how you don't know how the mechanics work. This is such a big swing for you and I know you were village last game. I think whats most frustrating about this is that people skim your long posts or don't engage cuz then you go on a tirade about that person. Cue retaliatory Cray expose on StayPaws in 3...2...1...

I’m sorry for not being around all day. Decided today was the day to treat myself to my first new car ever and I’ve literally been out at car dealerships all day.

But ffs do you guys really think I’m THAT stupid to come out guns blazing defending a noob wolf in literally my first post of the day? I’m actually kind of insulted; I mean I’m not that good of a wolf but I’m not that bad.

But that was my point. You did EXACTLY what Pippy did for me when we were both wolves. It wasn't a stupid move that time because it worked and I didn't get lynched. SHe knew she was making a risk when she said it and I assume you figured the breeze would blow over and greenie would be fine. But then she died and was a wolf. so not a bad wolf play on your part, just not successful.

I also forget which specific nooblets we're talking about but I have a PM with johnaboo and they seem appropriately nooby thus far

JBoo doesn't seem chaosy in PM at all?

 

[WildZoo]

Get outta here you

Excuse you

 

[jaboo]

But that was my point. You did EXACTLY what Pippy did for me when we were both wolves. It wasn't a stupid move that time because it worked and I didn't get lynched. SHe knew she was making a risk when she said it and I assume you figured the breeze would blow over and greenie would be fine. But then she died and was a wolf. so not a bad wolf play on your part, just not successful.

Yeah, I think I saw that move in one of the recent games I read.

lynch allie

 

[Skimble]

To preface: there is too many people in this game that I have never played with before and it is making reads hard.

Coop: broke tie towards lynching Greeney. Then last minute switched away from Greeney and caused the tie with Staff. Not much of substance otherwise that I saw. Still thinking this may give Coop a bit of village lean.

Kara called out Greeney early on, and then voted for her bringing her into the tie. Village lean.

Early on Paws broke the tie in the favour of lynching FTB. Greeney was involved in the tie at that point. Kinda suspicious. Haven't gotten anything from posts, but did make a good comment about Allie defending Greeney.

If Gryff does not start contributing I will be lynching them in the near future for being a distraction.

AM is being awfully pushy and aggressive. Has her play style changed over the last few months? Comment about masons made it seem like she was fishing. Did mention suspicions of Greeney. Backed off Gryff quicker than I would have liked. I'm not likely the feels I'm getting in this direction, currently.

LIS made a comment on Greeney being sketch but didn't follow it up with a vote, not sure where to mark that villager vs wolfwise.

DVMD is reading normal to me, but I am pretty bad at reading her.

Johnny's post about chaos stuck out a little weirdly to me. Not getting a wolf feel per say, but may be wondering about 3rd party affiliation down the line. Made a good point about trying to be quiet to avoid putting his foot in his mouth.

FTB's first post (the one about PMing) was weird, and got the emoji in real life. Never played with her so have absolutely no idea how to read her. She actually reminds me a little bit of Ny style-wise.

Assuming Kata has role-based posting restriction?

Snowy is all over the place, but to me that is normal for her. Though last game I said that and she flipped wolf so take my reads of her with a grain of salt.

Allie's defense of Greeney is obvs not good for her.

Kcough made some good points, esp about FTB. Also kinda temped to put her as village lean because I don't think the mods would forget to give out a wolf role.

Dy is much much more talkative than I remember and it is throwing me off. @DVMDream you said this is normal for her though?

@vetmedhead I wanted to wait to break the tie because I flat out said I liked my vote and would only change it if I had to. Not knowing
tie mechanics I didn't want to be included in a mass dieoff of 5 people. Alas, it worked out in the end.

AM - I also thought her comment about mason’s was fishing.

KC - go re-read the sign up thread to see why she got her role late. The mods didn’t forget.

I’ve also been known to break ties as the last minute if others clearly aren’t go to change their minds. I’d rather not lose two villagers if possible.

Whichever noob it is that keeps saying stuff about “why should I tell you” when being questioned, my vote will likely go that way today. It’s best to give some info on thread as to why you are voting a certain way, or why you think someone is sketch vs cleared.

 

[Karabiner13]

Lynch Crayola
Honestly just a matter of getting weird vibes. I don't feel like I have a lot else to go on right now, since I don't know everyone.

You don't have to know people to get a read on them. Just look for inconsitencies. I don't think I've played with greeney before but they posted an odd comment and then when pressure was applied, she never returned. Something like that is odd and doesn't take knowing someone to decide to lynch them. Haven't seen if you gave AM an answer on who else you find suspicious. If you haven't I'd like to hear who your top suspicions are

On second thought, reading through all of this again....

Greeny
Greeny's comment does totally come off as a wolf with nothing better to say that wants to be seen saying something. But Greeny is prone to those kinds of errors as a villager (making a candid comment that all villagers should know to avoid to avoid confusing people). I agree now with LIS and others who felt it twist their gut a little.

Staff
OTOH, even as a noob I have never seen, something about Staff's post seems contrived, versus Greeny who seems candid. Candid wolf vs villager remains to be seen. In any case, contrived always pings me more than any kind of nooby slip up or traditionally "wolfy" things being done by a noob or part of someone's typical play.

Dy
Initially since I agreed with Dy's reasoning on Pippy vs Allie, I took it all for granted. I see now what Mel was saying about Dy being aggressive and defensive at the same time. That could be her normal play, and Lord knows I'm guilty of same. But the offer to link to an outside site for meta... just feels contrived on reread.

Kcough
Now I see that kcough's post essentially agreed with Dy and my feeling on Pippy's defense, but now I see what she was finding fault in, in Dy. Still don't know what to make of that in light of Pippy thinking kcough seemed off for finding fault in FTB (addressed below). Sometimes I have a tendency to back off on people that get aggressive toward me, but that's no way to stand up to a potential wolf for village. Which could be kcough is trying to do thinking I'm a wolf.

Pippy
At this point, being so confused about everyone else, and not sure what to make of Kcough vs Pippy, I can't read Pippy as much as I can analyze everyone else's read of Pippy. Canary in the goldmine.

FTB
Actually, this post from FTB is thoughtful, and so I don't think it can be dismissed as wolfy fluffy "pretend to help village" at this point. Contributing actual thoughts is no more wolfy than all the people who haven't said much so far.

You have a soft defense of greeney here. It might have been a similar comment to how she's posted before but what about dropping off completely when people were trying to get her to answer? And as AM pointed out to me in pm, greeney has made odd comments before but usually she gets a lynch vote out too. I feel like you just jumped on to say me too so if Greeney flipped you'd have suspicions to point back to

 

[Karabiner13]

Sorry, that should have been "Pippy vs Kcough" or maybe just "not sure what to make of whatever it is that Pippy and Kcough are making of each other."

I said Pippy is always sketch, so then are you less sketch for finding her so? Maybe not. Are you less sketch if Pippy, who is generally sketch, thinks so? So I don't know how I should measure your guys' suspicions (or lack thereof if I'm misunderstanding?) towards each other, in my suspicion of either of you.

As far as FTB, it didn't occur to me that the PM mechanics possibly makes all info totally fluid through the chain, and pointing that out, and to be wary of wolves, seemed helpful to me. Didn't seem like a wolf would want to point that out, as wolves need trust and intel, too.

However, now that you challenged me, I remember the phrase I read that "wolves love a quiet village." Still, a lot of people hold that the best villager communication happens on thread, so FTB's caution is easily just good advice.

End of the day, it's pretty WIFOM on FTB's post now, but they're just not top of my list for a potentially useful comment.

That FTB quote wasn't very helpful. Maybe in theory the info is fluid through pms but there are a lot of variables that influence that and it would be like a game of telephone. So unless it's direct from the person you're pm'ing with, you really have to take it with a grain of salt

Maybe greeney, fern and allie-simply because they came in pretty strong and then kind of disappeared. I need to do more research though, I'm feeling very ignorant about game mechanics and a little in the dark because of that. What are your thoughts?

Lol, greeney came on strong? I'd really like to hear your top suspicions as of today

If by a lot you mean 3 posts, then yes. One of which was the squirrel pic. The other were posts I agreed with.

And I'm not saying much for a few reasons. 1) I am still trying to figure this game out. 2) From past games I've read, if a noob becomes too involved early on and use certain language (greeney in a recent game), they get sketchy written all over them.

It's better to be participating than lurking. Read through Wwar of 3 Wworlds for why you should participate and what happens if people don't (wolves can coast to a win). Posting and giving your suspicions helps us get a read on you. Yes, as a noob you might be read more sketch but you shouldn't let that hold you back

 

[dyachei]

can we stop doing stars when you're not dead? I've always thought that was a waste. People say off topic things all the time.

As for reads, I guess I don't buy that melch had to know she was seer? He did defend her pretty strongly yesterday. It was one of the reasons I switched to staffy

 

[dyachei]

i have a really light town read on LIS. I think this is more in line with his town frustration/play. I would love it if i could actually PM with him. If there's something that can move one of us, I'd be appreciative.

 

[Karabiner13]

Still catching up but @SoFloGryffindor you better be giving straight answers today. You are reminding me a lot of AM's 20 questions and those end up not being great for village. It really does bring me back to the original start of AM 20 questions and whether you are taunting us to vote for you for some reason

PM's make me think that Pippy isn't a good choice for lynch today.

With Finn's initial post stating unless otherwise stated, you're a vanillager it makes me think there are a lot of vanillagers. So this kind of post would be like a sign-post to wolves. Hey, there's a power role over here. I know you were trying to avoid pippy getting lynched but it wasn't very subtle

 

[katashark]

I do not have a posting restriction of any kind. I was just quoting a movie and trying to be funny. Sorry for the confusion!

 

[Teepster87]

Ok I haven't really caught up but clearly vmh isn't on the docket. I'll promise to catch up better latter but unlynch VMH and lynch Greeny

Omg did staff retaliation vote against DY? wow Unlynch Greeny lynch Staff

This also caught my eye as to the timing. Coop put greenery up with 3 votes, which kc then put her in the lead with 4. Coop waffled with a minute before close (which resulted in the 2 way tie - greeny and staff)

I may stick with cow girl for now, but I will be looking harder at coop and PMing more with her

 

[jaboo]

It's better to be participating than lurking. Read through Wwar of 3 Wworlds for why you should participate and what happens if people don't (wolves can coast to a win). Posting and giving your suspicions helps us get a read on you. Yes, as a noob you might be read more sketch but you shouldn't let that hold you back

Ok, you're the second person to tell me this. So I guess I'll be more involved today considering my plans consist of sitting on the couch all day and doing nothing.

 

[Karabiner13]

Ok, you're the second person to tell me this. So I guess I'll be more involved today considering my plans consist of sitting on the couch all day and doing nothing.

Sorry, was posting as I was catching up so didn't see someone already tell you that until now

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Day 2 Lynch Tally
Snowy (2) - Mel, AM
allie (3) - kc, Paws, jboo
cowgirl (1) - Teep
Mel (2) - cowgirl, LIS

8/26
lynch close in 10.5 hours

 

[Karabiner13]

So staff taunts AM to vote for him then survived tie? Could be coincidence but would like to hear more about that tomorrow.

###contingency lynch allieh###

For wolf defense.



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I agree that I'd like to hear more from staff. While they aren't the only one taunting am, they didn't die in the tie yesterday

I'm starting to get salty.

Hey, I'm the salty one so you can't be salty. #saltqueenkara

F.

How did they get our town seer the very first night??? Was it something about Pippy's activity and the fact that the wolves obviously knew any change in her behavior wasn't wolfy and made a good guess?? I gotta go but will be looking over the roster and stuff later

Something about this just doesn't read genuine

 

[Karabiner13]

Lynch crayola

Soft defense of greeney yesterday and other things I've pointed out above

Would also like to hear from @cowgirl92 on her updated reads as well as reads froms @staff_wielder and @SoFloGryffindor with straight answers

 

[JustPaws]

as well as reads froms @staff_wielder and @SoFloGryffindor with straight answers

We know it's your first games but just jump in and get crazy. Worse thing that happens is you sound sketchy and you get lynched. Or you opt to continue to not participate... and you get lynched. Same diff. It's a judgy game but still a game, so play!

 

[jaboo]

Unlynch pippy, lynch dy

Can someone explain to me why this was a big deal to everyone yesterday? It went right over my head.
Also doing a re-read through of everything now so I might answer my own question.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Can someone explain to me why this was a big deal to everyone yesterday? It went right over my head.
Also doing a re-read through of everything now so I might answer my own question.

staff switched his vote, with no prior explanation, to the player voting for him. It's an overly defensive move called retaliatory voting. It's similar to how someone with a guilty conscious might fire back at someone. And to top it off, staff still has never answered my or dy's questions.

 

[dyachei]

Can someone explain to me why this was a big deal to everyone yesterday? It went right over my head.
Also doing a re-read through of everything now so I might answer my own question.

It's a retaliatory vote. With no previous suspicion

 

[Melchizedek]

...Mel admits to knowing about the role...

Didn't know about the role, she was just very insistent that she not be lynched.

As for reads, I guess I don't buy that melch had to know she was seer?

This

I know you were trying to avoid pippy getting lynched but it wasn't very subtle

I tried 🙁

 

[cowgirl92]

Would also like to hear from @cowgirl92 on her updated reads as well as reads froms @staff_wielder and @SoFloGryffindor with straight answers

I voted for Mel at this point because of Pippy's PM. He had a point that he did stand up for not lynching her, which I had forgotten about when I made the post. On the other hand, maybe he did that so he could point back to it when she got killed overnight? I'm less convinced than I was, but not enough to change my vote right now.
I'm less convinced about Cray right now, just kind of watching to see.

 

[dyachei]

I voted for Mel at this point because of Pippy's PM. He had a point that he did stand up for not lynching her, which I had forgotten about when I made the post. On the other hand, maybe he did that so he could point back to it when she got killed overnight? I'm less convinced than I was, but not enough to change my vote right now.
I'm less convinced about Cray right now, just kind of watching to see.

Convinced in which way? About cray I mean. I know where you currently stand on melch

 

[jaboo]

Re-read complete.

People who feel sketchy to me as of right now, in no particular order:

dy: comments at the beginning of the game felt like they were throwing ideas out there and seeing what would stick, not for villagers sake, but to shake up trouble

FTB: same tactic as greeney, inserting a comment about PM “telephoning” in effort to seem helpful, but was really out of left field. Has since not said much, also like greeney

Cray: the whole convo with kcough and with Cray forgetting to put in “lynch” was slightly weird, but what is moreso weird to me is the rambling that followed. Haven’t played with Cray (or anyone) before, so it’s hard to say whether that’s normal or not. But to a new player, the rambling wasn’t very helpful in addressing village concerns and more felt like defensiveness mixed in with really weak speculation.

allie: defending greeney, disappearing, then getting really defensive after D1 doesn't sit right with me


Also, I’m backing off the kcough train. After a re-read, a lot more of her reasonings make sense to me. I blame my noob-for-brains.

Additionally:

Also kinda temped to put her as village lean because I don't think the mods would forget to give out a wolf role.

I agree with this. Kcough was given her role late due to troll-y mods (v humorous, by the way, mods) so I don’t think she would be wolf. Could be wrong, though.

 

[katashark]

Allie could still be a wolf, but she reached out to me via PM last night. She gave me her role name. I've done that as a wolf before though. I think it's pretty common to try to get your PM partner on your side.

 

[jaboo]

I feel like there should be a nickname glossary of veteran players here. When I read LIS voted for Cheezy, I did a write-up on how random that was since that name hadn't popped up before. Then I read LIS's explanation and realized Cheezy was Mel. My brain hurts.

 

[SoFloGryffindor]

Ok, does anyone know who Ski's sister is?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ok, does anyone know who Ski's sister is?

Why's that?

 

[cowgirl92]

Convinced in which way? About cray I mean. I know where you currently stand on melch

Less convinced about being wolfy. I ended up reading a bunch of the thread where Cray was a wolf (trying to figure out game mechanics) and I'm not getting the same vibe. But I freely admit that could mean nothing.

 

[LetItSnow]

AM - I also thought her comment about mason’s was fishing.

KC - go re-read the sign up thread to see why she got her role late. The mods didn’t forget.

I’ve also been known to break ties as the last minute if others clearly aren’t go to change their minds. I’d rather not lose two villagers if possible.

Whichever noob it is that keeps saying stuff about “why should I tell you” when being questioned, my vote will likely go that way today. It’s best to give some info on thread as to why you are voting a certain way, or why you think someone is sketch vs cleared.

I didn't read it as fishing, but .... point made.

I don't understand the point about KC.

I'm all in favor of ties with lots of bloodshed. And if we lose two villagers, oh well - more info to deal with.

The n00b you're referring to is Staff, who keeps pointing out that she can vote how she wants (but then won't explain her vote).

can we stop doing stars when you're not dead? I've always thought that was a waste. People say off topic things all the time.

As for reads, I guess I don't buy that melch had to know she was seer? He did defend her pretty strongly yesterday. It was one of the reasons I switched to staffy

Amen on the stars. I see that shiz and I lock someone in my head as dead. Then I see them posting without stars and I'm like RAGE!

I don't buy that Cheezy had to know she was a seer. But at the same time, there's smoke. Cheez knew something about her role, and now Cowgirl is coming out saying Pippy said to vote Cheezy if Pippy died.

I mean, that's smoke. Is it definitive? Of course not. But I'm happy to chase the trail down and find out whether Pippy was right or wrong.

I've got plenty of people I could vote for, including FTB, Staff, Teep (though a little less so now that she at least posted one thoughtful contribution), Cheezy, Allie (I think - I have to go back and review why so many people are leaning on her).

My village leans are as already stated.

Anyway, back on Cheezy. Give me some reason to switch my vote and I'll do it. I just don't see a reason to switch yet.

 

[dyachei]

dy: comments at the beginning of the game felt like they were throwing ideas out there and seeing what would stick, not for villagers sake, but to shake up trouble

Give examples.

This read is...something...

What trouble do you think I "shook up"

 

[LetItSnow]

Didn't know about the role, she was just very insistent that she not be lynched.

Fair 'nuff, my bad. I thought you said you knew the role. But either way, you knew she had a PR, at least. And now Cowgirl says Pippy wanted you lynched if Pippy went down. *shrug* Worth following up, as far as I'm concerned. Even if it means lynching you and Cowgirl.

 

[LetItSnow]

I voted for Mel at this point because of Pippy's PM. He had a point that he did stand up for not lynching her, which I had forgotten about when I made the post. On the other hand, maybe he did that so he could point back to it when she got killed overnight? I'm less convinced than I was, but not enough to change my vote right now.
I'm less convinced about Cray right now, just kind of watching to see.

I don't personally feel like standing up for not lynching her is village-leaning. If I'm a wolf in Mel's situation, the last thing I'm going to do is sit quiet and let the seer get lynched. That could come back on me later if someone realizes I knew about Pippy - the obvious question would be "Uh... so why didn't you step in to keep her from getting lynched?"

Especially if you know the wolves are going to kill Pippy anyway.

 

[LetItSnow]

I feel like there should be a nickname glossary of veteran players here. When I read LIS voted for Cheezy, I did a write-up on how random that was since that name hadn't popped up before. Then I read LIS's explanation and realized Cheezy was Mel. My brain hurts.

Now you know how I feel when you n00bs get all sweet and sugary and kumbaya with each other and give each nicknames before you've even played a single game.....

Sorry. I've called Mel Cheezy for several games now, but I can see where it's a frustrating nickname since it bears little relationship to the actual username.

 

[jaboo]

Give examples.

This read is...something...

What trouble do you think I "shook up"

Super weird thing to say

seems pretty convenient. kind of makes me wonder if TMI from you

i wonder if you're a wolf that knows their alignment

Whaaaat? So first Staff is wolf for nooby as hell comment and now Pip is wolf for pointing out is was a nooby comment?
I haven’t played with Dyachei before but this seems alarmist even for me >:|

I mean it would have made sense if you continued to pressure Staff but then you switched to Pipsqueak as soon as she made a pretty logical conclusion that staff was nooby. And now me? It might just be your style to attack everyone and everything but I don’t like the gameplay.

I bolded the part with Mel that I agree with.

 

[DVMDream]

I'm torn between lynching Mel or cowgirl since they both new pippy had some ability. Though cowgirl could have kept her mouth shut and we wouldn't have known. At some point, I do want to address this for now....

I'm going to lynch Coop because of that last minute waffle off the wolf is more suspicious to me.

 

[WildZoo]

Nickname Guide!!!
Idk if the noobs have acquired nicknames yet. What, you think I'm actually reading this thread?

Your mods:
@finnickthedog - Finn, finny
@SkiOtter - ski, skiski, otter
@WildZoo - dubz, wubz, subs, WZ

Upper Peninsula “The Yoopers”
1. @genny - not cool enough for a real nickname, but you can call her Gen
2. @fromthebox - FTB
3. @SoFloGryffindor
4. @LetItSnow - LIS, LeTits
5. @Teepster87 - teep
6. @Coopah - coop
7. @mmmdreamerz - mmm, 3m
8. @dyachei - dy
9. @vetmedhead - vmh, meathead, meats
10. @johnnaboo

Mackinac Bridge “Mighty Mac”
11. @DVMDream - DVMD
12. @Melchizedek - CheezyD, Mel
13. @PippyPony - pippy, pip, pipperoni, pipsqueak, pipperoo
14. @cowgirl92
15. @Crayola227 - Cray, CrayCray, Crayons
16. @SportPonies - sporty, SP, sporty spice
17. @greeneyegal92 - greeney, greenies treats

Lower Peninsula “The Trolls”
18. @Jilary - Jil
19. @Animal Midwife - AM
20. @Karabiner13 - Karabou, Kara, karabeans, saltqueen
21. @katashark - kata
22. @allieh8607 - allieh
23. @SnowshoeDog143 - snowy
24. @kcoughli - kcough, kc
25. @staff_wielder
26. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo - BBC, Ferny
27. @StayingPositive2017 - Paws, StayPaws, Peeping Tom???

Out of Service
28. @LyraGardenia - Lyra

 

[jaboo]

Nickname Guide!!!
Idk if the noobs have acquired nicknames yet. What, you think I'm actually reading this thread?

Your mods:
@finnickthedog - Finn, finny
@SkiOtter - ski, skiski, otter
@WildZoo - dubz, wubz, subs, WZ

Upper Peninsula “The Yoopers”
1. @genny - not cool enough for a nickname I guess
2. @fromthebox - FTB
3. @SoFloGryffindor
4. @LetItSnow - LIS, LeTits
5. @Teepster87 - teep
6. @Coopah - coop
7. @mmmdreamerz - mmm, 3m
8. @dyachei - dy
9. @vetmedhead - vmh, meathead, meats
10. @johnnaboo

Mackinac Bridge “Mighty Mac”
11. @DVMDream - DVMD
12. @Melchizedek - CheezyD, Mel
13. @PippyPony - pip, pipperoni, pipsqueak, pipperoo
14. @cowgirl92
15. @Crayola227 - Cray, CrayCray, Crayons
16. @SportPonies - sporty, SP
17. @greeneyegal92 - greeney

Lower Peninsula “The Trolls”
18. @Jilary - Jil
19. @Animal Midwife - AM
20. @Karabiner13 - Karabou, Kara
21. @katashark - kata
22. @allieh8607 - allieh
23. @SnowshoeDog143 - snowy
24. @kcoughli - kcough
25. @staff_wielder
26. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo - BBC, Ferny
27. @StayingPositive2017 - Paws, StayPaws, Peeping Tom???

Out of Service
28. @LyraGardenia - Lyra

Bless you

 

[Animal Midwife]

My nickname is good until I try to iso any mentions of me...

 

[LyraGardenia]

I've been busier today helping with interviews, so I've just skimmed things on my phone so far, but @StayingPositive2017 when I said FTB hadn't defended herself I hadn't seen her post yet.