There's a WW in Michigan Game Thread

[SoFloGryffindor]

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I don't know which of you three is the most irritating.
Cray, you've played more games than I have and should know that ties are mod resolved at their own whim.

To the nooblet pair. This game is about information and parsing out logic. If you don't engage in discussion you're not helping village and at best are a distraction, at worst a wolf who is purposely being difficult (both are perfectly good reason to get lynched IMO). If you do something on a whim, at least just admit that as a reason, its much better than trying to seem cheeky and funny.

I lynch myself.

 

[KCgophervet]

So staff taunts AM to vote for him then survived tie? Could be coincidence but would like to hear more about that tomorrow.

###contingency lynch allieh###

For wolf defense.



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[Animal Midwife]

I lynch myself.

I'm starting to get salty.

 

[Melchizedek]

I lynch myself.

**Cue LIS rule #125430987**

 

[Crayola227]

I don't know which of you three is the most irritating.
Cray, you've played more games than I have and should know that ties are mod resolved at their own whim.

To the nooblet pair. This game is about information and parsing out logic. If you don't engage in discussion you're not helping village and at best are a distraction, at worst a wolf who is purposely being difficult (both are perfectly good reason to get lynched IMO). If you do something on a whim, at least just admit that as a reason, its much better than trying to seem cheeky and funny.

Mmm. Guess I was under the impression that typically all in a tie will die, unless the mod thinks it will be game-breaking or something, or there's an ability at work. Seriously, despite my Mafia article linking, I'm still pretty dumb about this stuff. Besides Mel, I've played a few more on this site than you maybe, but didn't you say once that you were some kind of Mafia geek guru outside of SDN?

I would add to the nooblet pair, that if you aren't sure what is safe to say and that is why you are being recalcitrant, you just say that as well. I learned a lot as a total noob by turning to my experienced PM partners, although if you're unlucky and they're a wolf it can get you into a lot of trouble. But that's also very educational. I would often confide a little in them to figure out what to communicate on thread, when I was feeling too paranoid to share with the whole class.

 

[vetmedhead]

**Cue LIS rule #125430987**

I thought he was the only one who got to number these. I think it's an LIS rule

 

[Crayola227]

I thought he was the only one who got to number these. I think it's an LIS rule

I think he also has a rule that only he gets to declare which are his rules

guess I broke that one now too

 

[Melchizedek]

Mmm. Guess I was under the impression that typically all in a tie will die, unless the mod thinks it will be game-breaking or something, or there's an ability at work. Seriously, despite my Mafia article linking, I'm still pretty dumb about this stuff. Besides Mel, I've played a few more on this site than you maybe, but didn't you say once that you were some kind of Mafia geek guru outside of SDN?

Had a core group of people who played back in high school but forum style has been a different beast, there's a few skills that have translated over.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't know which of you three is the most irritating.
Cray, you've played more games than I have and should know that ties are mod resolved at their own whim.

on second thought Mel, what is the issue with asking how Staff survived the lynch tie? Your point is true, but it's also true that ties resolve for other reasons. Double voters, lynch avoidances, protection spells/items/etc.... It's worth wondering. I'm surprised you not only don't seem to care, but you seem to care that I do or that I might encourage others to as well.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Had a core group of people who played back in high school but forum style has been a different beast, there's a few skills that have translated over.

Was it ur puns?

 

[Melchizedek]

Was it ur puns?

Almost exclusively haha

 

[Melchizedek]

on second thought Mel, what is the issue with asking how Staff survived the lynch tie? Your point is true, but it's also true that ties resolve for other reasons. Double voters, lynch avoidances, protection spells/items/etc.... It's worth wondering. I'm surprised you not only don't seem to care, but you seem to care that I do or that I might encourage others to as well.

Because I already went down that rabbit hole in my mind and it all dead ends unless we know if the lynch did in fact result in Staff's death and an ability counteracted it. This requires either mod confirmation that Staff was/wasn't supposed to die (which we're not going to get) or Staff/someone fessing up that their ability is what stopped Staff from dying. If Staff is a wolf with a lynch avoidance, there's no way she's going to admit that. If someone else intervened, revealing that on thread instantly makes them a good wolf kill. So no I don't think pursuing this line of questioning leads us anywhere.

 

[allieh8607]

I’m sorry for not being around all day. Decided today was the day to treat myself to my first new car ever and I’ve literally been out at car dealerships all day.

But ffs do you guys really think I’m THAT stupid to come out guns blazing defending a noob wolf in literally my first post of the day? I’m actually kind of insulted; I mean I’m not that good of a wolf but I’m not that bad.

 

[allieh8607]

Contingency Lynch Snowy

Just wondering why you’re voting Snowy now? You waited until 3 mins before deadline to make a lynch vote for staff despite following the thread all day and playing question master. What happened between your lynch vote for staff and now, considering all the posts pointing out snowy’s behavior were posted before you voted for staff?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Just wondering why you’re voting Snowy now? You waited until 3 mins before deadline to make a lynch vote for staff despite following the thread all day and playing question master. What happened between your lynch vote for staff and now, considering all the posts pointing out snowy’s behavior were posted before you voted for staff?

Did you miss my standoff with staff? Do you also see Mel making good reads?

 

[vetmedhead]

Catching up now. Quote spam incoming. Also I'm a little toasted right now sk typos are just gonna happen and you have to accdlt it.

FWIW I typically take a lot more heat early on as a villager vs. when I am a wolf.

This isn't a defense or even really a useful post at all.

I definitely missed a lot of posts again thanks to reading on my phone.

I didn't think it was wolfy. I was poking fun initially because I assumed the word just got misplaced somewhere due to technology. It was just super weird to me that she came back and said she didn't know she had to put it in. Like, what? This isn't your first rodeo. Idk if that makes her more or less sketch but it was weird.

Honestly I can't follow most of her post logic so I'm putting her on back burner.

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I would caution against this approach for cray. Because of her post style she can get away with quite a lot of sketch posting because everyone just skims, shrugs, and says it seems like standard cray and moves on. It helped her in her last wolf game and it will continue to help her in her future wolf games.

Also, she does have a lot of insightful stuff buried in there too. 😉

Spoiler: Table of Leans

Upper Peninsula “The Yoopers”
1. @genny
2. @fromthebox
3. @SoFloGryffindor
4. @LetItSnow
5. @Teepster87
6. @Coopah
7. @mmmdreamerz
8. @dyachei
9. @vetmedhead
10. @johnnaboo

Mackinac Bridge “Mighty Mac”
11. @DVMDream
12. @Melchizedek
13. @PippyPony
14. @cowgirl92
15. @Crayola227
16. @SportPonies
17. @greeneyegal92

Lower Peninsula “The Trolls”
18. @Jilary
19. @Animal Midwife
20. @Karabiner13
21. @katashark
22. @allieh8607
23. @SnowshoeDog143
24. @kcoughli
25. @staff_wielder
26. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
27. @StayingPositive2017

Out of Service
28. @LyraGardenia

Spoiler: Table of Leans

Everyone needs a kick in the teeth with the tags.

Only ones that stand out to me:

Sketchy, in approximate order
Dy - defensiveness I find a touch wolfy
Kcough - similar, vote switch suspicious
Pippy - very torn here, seems sketch for all the straightforward reasons already stated, but that does the opposite of instill confidence in my read
Staff - comment seemed contrived, but I hesitate to go for the noobiest of noobs here
Greeny - earlier comment is off, hard to tell if wolf off or greeny off
johnaboo - liking lots of posts but not saying much... lurking.. could be nefarious vs nooby

Despite Dy rising higher on my re-read than kcough based on overall thread re-read feel, the vote switch of kcough is bugging me a lot, and it would be way too ironic for me to come off my vote for her for doing that by doing that myself (abrupt switch not based on much). Not to mention, with the "pressure" (not really pressure) on kcough, the back and forth with me, I think we're getting good interaction going, whereas Dy isn't really here to defend herself, which makes me feel bad. Maybe I should vote her to put pressure there, or maybe she's reading this and laying low, in any case, I'm not ready to change my vote. I'm not a huge waffler with votes, just thoughts.

Villagey - all based on their posts sounding typical to me, though many are few and of limited substance, based on very little evidence
StayPos
Fern
Snowy
allieh
kata
AM
FTB
LIS
VMH
AM
Mel
Kara

By rep or by habit, LIS, VMH, AM, Mel, allieh, I consider sneaky players and I am always wary of. StayPos and Snowy are simultaneously over and under suspected for being newer so I keep an eye on them. They are getting smarter by the game thread page. FTB I've never played with, but going off of our newly forged co-mod development relationship, they really know what they are doing, so should be watched for that. Suspect everyone.

MIA - missing in action, maybe have as many posts as some of the above, but I need more posts before I give them village lean
DVMD
genny
3M
Coopah
Jilary

DVMD, genny, Jilary, especially sneaky ones in this list.

Who the heck is this?
Gryff
Teep
cowgirl

I don't have anything to add to this, I just enjoy that you consider me a sneaky player

Some nice Yooper slang. Also, a reference to a movie that involves the main character having to shoot a buck before he becomes the oldest to have never done that. Basically, kata's calling SoFlo bad/jinxed.

What on earth even is Michigan

Okay fair enough I get sleep-deprivation and brain farts.

I'm skimming some of Cray's other posts, and the rest of it reads like her usual emotions-bleeding-into-the-game posts.

See above

Are you able to pm with FTB? On my phone so not super easy to check roster. I'm just surprised you're going to bat for her so strongly based on one? post.

If she's chatting with you via pm and you think shes not wolfy based on that, at least that's something.

From the information available on thread though I find it pretty suspicious to vouch so strongly for someone based on so little. Options are a wolf who knows FTB is village and is trying to buy cred for herself when FTB flips that way, a wolf trying to save another wolf who's absent and not able to defend, or mason villager.

The majority of those options aren't great, so I'm actually considering switching to you.

I would like to hear from the players who haven't shown up or who have been minimally participating.

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Why the mention of mason?

I found this interesting too, especially since in the classic mason role if one dies the other follows shortly thereafter. I'm not sure what to do with this thought yet, just putting it in my pocket.

I had no idea i was being interrogated. Hmmm....

I thought the single bare lightbulb hanging from the ceiling gave it away. But also you don't have to be interrogated to provide useful reasoning and thoughtful interjections to thread.

And why would i tell you my reasons?

Generally to help village be less stupid at large so we can murdernate the correct people

Anyone want to check roster and figure out who hasn't checked in yet?

I could be persuaded to switch to an inactive, this has been a really long day cycle to not have checked in at all yet...

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Switching to to an inactive is a super weird choice to me. Inactive hunting almost always nets villagers who become confusing to village in mid-to-end game, but nets wolves less frequently in my experience. Wanting to lynch inactives so soon doesn't feel right.

I think a weird brainfart moment like this is more village like to do. Wolves tend to read over their posts more often and not draw that much attention to themselves. But I'm not good at reading cray, I had her as solid village the game she was a wolf.

Kc is all over the place for me. She is very active, but I don't know if I should take that as she has time off and is excited to play ww since she hasn't for awhile or excited to be a wolf-more active. I feel like its the former for now though. I'm not really getting the votes for ftb, idk his comments just haven't seemed sketch to me. The other top candidates are coming off as noob or usual first lynches who haven't said anything significant to ping my radar yet. But I'm also just skimming because I got to get back to work soon. Could still stay on 3m. Her two posts so far I are really random if I remember right. I'm going to vote pippy today. She hasn't been defensive yet even with being a leading lynch candidate which is more like her wolf self then her village self. Also didn't like her defense of staffy being a noob, reminded me too much of that other game (I know pips you gave an explanation for why you strongly defended paws that game, but I could see you doing that again if they were a noob in your pack)

Unlynch 3m
lynch pippy

What is going on in this post

Yep, didn't see it cuz phone wwing sucks monkey butt.

###Lynch teep###

I'm off to watch episode seven (going to see the new one tomorrow). Will try to sneak on before close but no promises.



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What on earth is this vote.

This is a weird vote for someone who hasn't yet been on and is not on the lynch board yet. Seems like a throwaway vote. Why teep?

Well idk I can change my meta view on her if she is village. But of all the canadates today she is the most wolfy to me so I'm leaving my vote there for today.

Okay I'll take this for now. Don't have time to look at other people closely because my breaks over so going back to 3m.

Unlynch puppy
Relynch 3m

Okay here is my thing with snowy, when she wolfs she simultaneously has tons of thoughts that village me also has, but then interjects confusing chunks that throw me off hard. This stream of posts pinged all sorts of radars for me

Unlynch pippy, lynch dy


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What on earth is this vote

OOOO A TIE 😏😏😏

Get outta here you

Not sure what omgus means... also, I think from what I understand of the rules, I am free to make my own choices?


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Your freely made choices may inspire the rest of us to freely make the choice to lynch you though

I don't think I've ever seen such a big D1 tie... I am still pretty comfortable with my Greeney D1 but I'll switch to break the tie if it is still like this right before close.

Cray's posts are distracting. However they are that way as village so although frustrating don't see a reason to lynch over it.

I opened a PM with Staff but we haven't really said much, certainly not enough to make me lean village. I didn't want to vote a noob out D1 of their first game but later posts are making that hard... could switch there.

I think I quoted this because of what I just bolded? Mainly switching to break ties at last minute is horrible and causes village to meltdown fabulously. See: that last kaydubs game.

I think you should complete that threat 🙂


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[vetmedhead]

I think he also has a rule that only he gets to declare which are his rules

guess I broke that one now too

Do you think he has a beetlejuice rule too where if we talk about his rules enough times he shows up and we can all dance to Jump in the Line?

 

[vetmedhead]

I don't know which of you three is the most irritating.
Cray, you've played more games than I have and should know that ties are mod resolved at their own whim.

To the nooblet pair. This game is about information and parsing out logic. If you don't engage in discussion you're not helping village and at best are a distraction, at worst a wolf who is purposely being difficult (both are perfectly good reason to get lynched IMO). If you do something on a whim, at least just admit that as a reason, its much better than trying to seem cheeky and funny.

Sure, but figuring out which whim was used to resolve the tie isn't an entirely useless exercise. With Dubz participation I'm a little surprised there wasn't more murder in the tie. The write up is blissfully brief, however. Night write up may be slightly more informative for us to see exactly how much info on average is shared in mod posts

on second thought Mel, what is the issue with asking how Staff survived the lynch tie? Your point is true, but it's also true that ties resolve for other reasons. Double voters, lynch avoidances, protection spells/items/etc.... It's worth wondering. I'm surprised you not only don't seem to care, but you seem to care that I do or that I might encourage others to as well.

Because I already went down that rabbit hole in my mind and it all dead ends unless we know if the lynch did in fact result in Staff's death and an ability counteracted it. This requires either mod confirmation that Staff was/wasn't supposed to die (which we're not going to get) or Staff/someone fessing up that their ability is what stopped Staff from dying. If Staff is a wolf with a lynch avoidance, there's no way she's going to admit that. If someone else intervened, revealing that on thread instantly makes them a good wolf kill. So no I don't think pursuing this line of questioning leads us anywhere.

I do definitely want to hear more from staffy though. Too much skirting around questions and letting us speculate for her for me.

Also, isn't lynch avoidance usually hinted at in write ups? Again why I am intrigued to see our night write up

 

[vetmedhead]

I would add to the nooblet pair, that if you aren't sure what is safe to say and that is why you are being recalcitrant, you just say that as well. I learned a lot as a total noob by turning to my experienced PM partners, although if you're unlucky and they're a wolf it can get you into a lot of trouble. But that's also very educational. I would often confide a little in them to figure out what to communicate on thread, when I was feeling too paranoid to share with the whole class.

I also forget which specific nooblets we're talking about but I have a PM with johnaboo and they seem appropriately nooby thus far

 

[allieh8607]

Did you miss my standoff with staff? Do you also see Mel making good reads?

Did not miss your standoff with staff. Won’t go into why I think it’s fishy you’re so bothered by that vote because *gasp* you all might think I’m defending a wolf again. I see Mel making good reads, I also saw him make those same reads before you voted for staff. Staff has not answered your question, unless I missed it. I guess if you think snowy is a better lynch target than staff at this point, then fine... That’s all you have to say rather than getting passive aggressive.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Did not miss your standoff with staff. Won’t go into why I think it’s fishy you’re so bothered by that vote because *gasp* you all might think I’m defending a wolf again. I see Mel making good reads, I also saw him make those same reads before you voted for staff. Staff has not answered your question, unless I missed it. I guess if you think snowy is a better lynch target than staff at this point, then fine... That’s all you have to say rather than getting passive aggressive.

If you went into why you think it's fishy, we might be able to understand each other a little better. Not sure why you're accusing me of thinking you're a wolf. And yes, staff is still on my radar. Would you not vote for Snowy?

 

[finnickthedog]

I have all actions in so I'm closing just a little bit early.

Night Closed. Results Pending.

 

[finnickthedog]

The tourists woke up the next morning to find one of their own, frozen and still on the ground.

Spoiler

Dead is @PippyPony - Lake Michigan, a villager who seer a player every night

It is now Day 2. 26 players remain. Deadline for lynch is 10 pm EST. Please note the roster changes and adjust PMs accordingly.

Upper Peninsula “The Yoopers”
1. @genny
2. @fromthebox
3. @SoFloGryffindor
4. @LetItSnow
5. @Teepster87
6. @Coopah
7. @mmmdreamerz
8. @dyachei
9. @vetmedhead
10. @johnnaboo

Mackinac Bridge “Mighty Mac”
11. @DVMDream
12. @Melchizedek
14. @cowgirl92
15. @Crayola227
16. @SportPonies

Lower Peninsula “The Trolls”
18. @Jilary
19. @Animal Midwife
20. @Karabiner13
21. @katashark
23. @SnowshoeDog143
24. @kcoughli
25. @staff_wielder
26. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
27. @StayingPositive2017

Out of Service
22. @allieh8607
28. @LyraGardenia

Hell, Michigan
17. greeneyegal92 - Buckeyes
13. pippypony - Lake Michigan

 

[Teepster87]

****
Sorry folks, got lifed a bit pretty hard today. Just got back from across state picking up my nephew in the middle of the night.

I'll be better in the future.
****

 

[Crayola227]

F.

How did they get our town seer the very first night??? Was it something about Pippy's activity and the fact that the wolves obviously knew any change in her behavior wasn't wolfy and made a good guess?? I gotta go but will be looking over the roster and stuff later

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Home from work, and about to start going through thread and also make a lynch tracker for today. Will post reads once complete.

 

[fromthebox]

The tourists woke up the next morning to find one of their own, frozen and still on the ground.

Spoiler

Dead is @PippyPony - Lake Michigan, a villager who seer a player every night

It is now Day 2. 26 players remain. Deadline for lynch is 10 pm EST. Please note the roster changes and adjust PMs accordingly.

Upper Peninsula “The Yoopers”
1. @genny
2. @fromthebox
3. @SoFloGryffindor
4. @LetItSnow
5. @Teepster87
6. @Coopah
7. @mmmdreamerz
8. @dyachei
9. @vetmedhead
10. @johnnaboo

Mackinac Bridge “Mighty Mac”
11. @DVMDream
12. @Melchizedek
14. @cowgirl92
15. @Crayola227
16. @SportPonies

Lower Peninsula “The Trolls”
18. @Jilary
19. @Animal Midwife
20. @Karabiner13
21. @katashark
23. @SnowshoeDog143
24. @kcoughli
25. @staff_wielder
26. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
27. @StayingPositive2017

Out of Service
22. @allieh8607
28. @LyraGardenia

Hell, Michigan
17. greeneyegal92 - Buckeyes
13. pippypony - Lake Michigan

Ah F.
Not good.


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[Teepster87]

Maybe greeney, fern and allie-simply because they came in pretty strong and then kind of disappeared. I need to do more research though, I'm feeling very ignorant about game mechanics and a little in the dark because of that. What are your thoughts?

This caught my interest, after what I felt was a pretty soft vote for cray. Since she "doesnt know everyone". I might be reading too deep, but the quoted above is striking me as throwing up feels for a fellow wolf to be able to point back to it later as having correct suspicions.

Lynch cowgirl

 

[Melchizedek]

@cowgirl92 I have questions for you if you care to open our PM

Crayola I have follow up questions depending on how Cowgirl answers my questions for her.

 

[Crayola227]

I opened with Cowgirl when I said so on the thread, close to close. She didn't have anything specific, just a noob looking for general advice, but then I got a message from the mods giving me a PM'ing restriction that I couldn't mention on thread (I asked Sport Pony to open with me before I saw the mod message, oops. Haven't gotten a PM from Sporty yet but it hasn't been long). So I didn't get back to Cowgirl after I opened with her and she messaged me back. I had to leave her in the dark, and I asked the mods and no, I couldn't mention any of it in the thread until morning when the restriction ended. Which is now.

Will keep you guys updated.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

About halfway caught up, just wanted to pause to comment:

@Crayola227 for someone who said she was going to be too busy to post lots, I'm still reading a whole ton of novels here lol.

And no, I'm not saying I think that's wolfy. I'm just entertained.

 

[Crayola227]

About halfway caught up, just wanted to pause to comment:

@Crayola227 for someone who said she was going to be too busy to post lots, I'm still reading a whole ton of novels here lol.

And no, I'm not saying I think that's wolfy. I'm just entertained.

Good intentions. WW novels are the best way to spend a work break and procrastinate.

 

[cowgirl92]

Right before the night closed, Pippy messaged me that Mel knew some details about her role and that if she died, he should get lynched.
So Lynch Mel

 

[Melchizedek]

Right before the night closed, Pippy messaged me that Mel knew some details about her role and that if she died, he should get lynched.
So Lynch Mel

lol no **** I knew details about her role. Hence:

PM's make me think that Pippy isn't a good choice for lynch today.

Pippy opened her PM with me early yesterday, just saying hey and establishing a line of communication. I stonewalled her because I typically don't PM with people unless I need something very specific from them or I've already cleared them as village. She very aggressively and drunkenly messaged me again a few hours before lynch close saying that it was a really bad idea for her to get lynched. She didn't say anything about why, but used language that directly echoed what I said to her when I had a decently valuable PR last game so I figured she was doing it on purpose. I tried to make the above post as ambiguous as possible because I knew a soft vouch this early in the game would put her on the wolf radar. I wouldn't have made it at all if not for 1. Pippy was actually accruing votes and 2. she threatened to "rain hellfire" on me if she got lynched or died at night.

I'm assuming you're supposed to be the "Hellfire" that she threatened to rain down on me haha

ETA: 3. I was really hoping that if there's a protector, they'd pick up what I was putting down.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

LYNCH SNOWY

THIS IS THE SAME GODDAM HEDGEY CRAP YOU PULLED LAST GAME.

I DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN? YOU SOUNDED LIKE YOU HAD A GOOD VOUCH FOR HER SO I DECIDED TO TRUST YOU FOR NOW BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LYNCH A VILLAGER IF I'M TUNNELING HER AS A WOLF 🙄

Reason for 3m?

She threw down a random vote, said it probably wouldn't be her final one, and didn't come back. Not contributing anything so far, I want to hear more from her tomorrow. Didn't like the other people who had 2 or more votes as lynches Didn't have time to look into anyone else because I had to get back to work.

Goes from flip-flopping on Pippy, to flip-flopping on KC to flip-flopping on 3m. It just reads like wolf keeping options open and reminds me very much of her when she was a wolf.

I never flipped to kc, I was stating my thoughts on her because she was a leading candidate and I didn't have enough time to go through the roster in detail tonight so I just looked at the people who had 2 or more votes. Look at ALL my games I've ever played, people ALWAYS think I'm hedging. My rant last game about it may have come from wolf-me, but it was true for my village self. I don't see the point in tunneling so I always try to take what other people say into account (eg. mel vouches strongly for pip) so I don't lynch someone important to village. It comes across as hedgy/sketchy to a lot of people.

Right before the night closed, Pippy messaged me that Mel knew some details about her role and that if she died, he should get lynched.
So Lynch Mel

His comment on thread about really thinking it was a bad idea to lynch her made me think she was some power-type role, so guessing if I could pick that up, the wolves probably did as well. Not saying mel couldn't be a wolf, but I feel like pippy said that in case she was night killed and there weren't any clues on thread.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Lynch tracker for the day. Reads coming momentarily and then I'm going straight to bed because I'm barely awake right now. Remembering why I always end up slacking off with reading the thread lol.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Cray, you've played more games than I have and should know that ties are mod resolved at their own whim.

This is the second weird thing from cray this game that she has played enough games to know about. Makes me side-eye her, will look into her more tomorrow. Might be putting some pressure here.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

****
Sorry folks, got lifed a bit pretty hard today. Just got back from across state picking up my nephew in the middle of the night.

I'll be better in the future.
****

Why are you in stars? you are alive

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

To preface: there is too many people in this game that I have never played with before and it is making reads hard.

Coop: broke tie towards lynching Greeney. Then last minute switched away from Greeney and caused the tie with Staff. Not much of substance otherwise that I saw. Still thinking this may give Coop a bit of village lean.

Kara called out Greeney early on, and then voted for her bringing her into the tie. Village lean.

Early on Paws broke the tie in the favour of lynching FTB. Greeney was involved in the tie at that point. Kinda suspicious. Haven't gotten anything from posts, but did make a good comment about Allie defending Greeney.

If Gryff does not start contributing I will be lynching them in the near future for being a distraction.

AM is being awfully pushy and aggressive. Has her play style changed over the last few months? Comment about masons made it seem like she was fishing. Did mention suspicions of Greeney. Backed off Gryff quicker than I would have liked. I'm not likely the feels I'm getting in this direction, currently.

LIS made a comment on Greeney being sketch but didn't follow it up with a vote, not sure where to mark that villager vs wolfwise.

DVMD is reading normal to me, but I am pretty bad at reading her.

Johnny's post about chaos stuck out a little weirdly to me. Not getting a wolf feel per say, but may be wondering about 3rd party affiliation down the line. Made a good point about trying to be quiet to avoid putting his foot in his mouth.

FTB's first post (the one about PMing) was weird, and got the emoji in real life. Never played with her so have absolutely no idea how to read her. She actually reminds me a little bit of Ny style-wise.

Assuming Kata has role-based posting restriction?

Snowy is all over the place, but to me that is normal for her. Though last game I said that and she flipped wolf so take my reads of her with a grain of salt.

Allie's defense of Greeney is obvs not good for her.

Kcough made some good points, esp about FTB. Also kinda temped to put her as village lean because I don't think the mods would forget to give out a wolf role.

Dy is much much more talkative than I remember and it is throwing me off. @DVMDream you said this is normal for her though?

@vetmedhead I wanted to wait to break the tie because I flat out said I liked my vote and would only change it if I had to. Not knowing
tie mechanics I didn't want to be included in a mass dieoff of 5 people. Alas, it worked out in the end.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Greeney's only comment was that it was interesting people were lynching so early. Which makes me think there weren't wolves lynching anyone yet. So that semi clears AM, Sporty, and Kara in my books.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

And with that pile of word vomit I'm going to bed. Goodnight all.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Greeney's only comment was that it was interesting people were lynching so early. Which makes me think there weren't wolves lynching anyone yet. So that semi clears AM, Sporty, and Kara in my books.

Interesting point. Since beginning of game + noob wolf, I think there could be some truth to this.

 

[Crayola227]

AM is being awfully pushy and aggressive. Has her play style changed over the last few months? Comment about masons made it seem like she was fishing. Did mention suspicions of Greeney. Backed off Gryff quicker than I would have liked. I'm not likely the feels I'm getting in this direction, currently.

LIS made a comment on Greeney being sketch but didn't follow it up with a vote, not sure where to mark that villager vs wolfwise.

Johnny's post about chaos stuck out a little weirdly to me. Not getting a wolf feel per say, but may be wondering about 3rd party affiliation down the line. Made a good point about trying to be quiet to avoid putting his foot in his mouth.

Assuming Kata has role-based posting restriction?

Kcough made some good points, esp about FTB. Also kinda temped to put her as village lean because I don't think the mods would forget to give out a wolf role.

IIRC AM's comment about masons didn't come off as role fishing, I thought she brought that up when KC was asking why I was going to bat so hard for FTB, in which case it was a fair theory to bring up. Or I'm wrong.

In the last few games, AM has been aggressive and the 20 questions game has been turned around. Now she interrogates everyone with whips, not in the fun way.

LIS saying someone is sketch and then not voting for them - exactly what he did when I wolfed with him a game ago. However, it's not clear to me how much he does this as a villager. Often he tunnels someone strongly while analyzing and conceding where others are sketch - even when his vote doesn't go there.

I too was trying to figure out jonnyboo. When the noobs say things only the dumbest villagers or wolves alike could say, I don't find it wolfy (of course, that logic hasn't caught me any noob wolves, might have to rethink that...) When it seems like they know way more than I do (not hard, though), I find it odd. I didn't even get WTF Chaos was until my 3rd game and a google search. Jonnyboo is wigging me out more than any noob I can remember.

Just curious, where are you getting that Kata has a role based restriction? Oh, the movie references?? Michigan lingo? Should go back and see what she was trying to say.

I think the thing about KC and the role comment was hearkening back to an inside joke, that I saw referenced in the sign up thread.

Just my thoughts, I hope this doesn't count as "answering" for other people - you read people, and I'm reading your reads and... you get the idea.

 

[Crayola227]

lol no **** I knew details about her role. Hence:


Pippy opened her PM with me early yesterday, just saying hey and establishing a line of communication. I stonewalled her because I typically don't PM with people unless I need something very specific from them or I've already cleared them as village. She very aggressively and drunkenly messaged me again a few hours before lynch close saying that it was a really bad idea for her to get lynched. She didn't say anything about why, but used language that directly echoed what I said to her when I had a decently valuable PR last game so I figured she was doing it on purpose. I tried to make the above post as ambiguous as possible because I knew a soft vouch this early in the game would put her on the wolf radar. I wouldn't have made it at all if not for 1. Pippy was actually accruing votes and 2. she threatened to "rain hellfire" on me if she got lynched or died at night.

I'm assuming you're supposed to be the "Hellfire" that she threatened to rain down on me haha

ETA: 3. I was really hoping that if there's a protector, they'd pick up what I was putting down.

You would totally drop that in thread so you and your wolf pack could use Pippy's intel, take out our seer, and still try to distance you from the kill. None of what you just said clears you at all.

Interesting that you don't suggest that Cowgirl is scapegoating you, because she's the wolf, because she knew Pippy was a seer as well. Unless you know that couldn't be the case. Or you're worried that would make you seem like you're scapegoating a villager.

You could both be wolves, much to poor Pippy's terrible luck, and looking to make a wolf to wolf interaction look wolf vs villager to try to clear at least one of you in the village's mind.

Your lack of reactivity to being blamed for the seer's death, also reads as odd to me.

 

[Melchizedek]

I'm gonna have to take this piece by piece.

You would totally drop that in thread so you and your wolf pack could use Pippy's intel, take out our seer, and still try to distance you from the kill. None of what you just said clears you at all.

Maybe I haven't made it clear. Pippy was being a dick and very much so strong-armed me into soft vouching her, when I knew it was going to get her killed. Totally out of character from her usual play, but knowing what I know of whats going on in her social life, its believable that it was the liquor making her aggressive. She also TOLD me she had a back-up plan in place if she died last night. If I was a wolf, would purposely walking right into that trap and now having to sit here and defend seem like such a good idea?

Snowy pretty much admitted that she connected the dots about the power role even though I tried to be careful. Seeing as how Snowy is my biggest wolf read, I really want to believe this is Snowy trying to be a smartass and bragging, but idk if she's ballsy enough for a play like that.....

Interesting that you don't suggest that Cowgirl is scapegoating you, because she's the wolf, because she knew Pippy was a seer as well. Unless you know that couldn't be the case. Or you're worried that would make you seem like you're scapegoating a villager.

Because I know Pippy isn't stupid. With a play like telling cowgirl "if I die, Mel is suspicious" is moot if she told cowgirl the same information that she told me. No, for this gambit to work she would have to pick one person to be the target and receive information about her role, and the other to be the trigger to spring the trap if she ended up burned.

Pippy constantly finds me sketchy. Even when I had an all but mod confirmed village role, she still tunneled that I was chaos. It makes sense that I was her target and I guess something in PM's made her believe cowgirl was more trustworthy than I, so both by default and by Pippy's intuition, Cowgirl became the trigger.

Your lack of reactivity to being blamed for the seer's death, also reads as odd to me.

As soon as I saw that she died, I knew I was going to be under the spotlight, but forgive me if I'd rather stay calm and reason things through.

 

[LetItSnow]

LIS says lots of people are sketch - I can’t vote for all of them.

***lynch Cheezy***

 

[dyachei]

LIS says lots of people are sketch - I can’t vote for all of them.

***lynch Cheezy***

Is this a new speak and say line?

 

[dyachei]

Specifically want to know the thoughts behind your vote lis

 

[JustPaws]

OK, gotta a lot of posts to catch up on, but for now

lynch allie

as I was suspicious yesterday and then greenie actually was a wolf, but need to read through all the overnight stuff and figure out where I really stand.

 

[jaboo]

Greeney's only comment was that it was interesting people were lynching so early. Which makes me think there weren't wolves lynching anyone yet. So that semi clears AM, Sporty, and Kara in my books.

Good point here.

I too was trying to figure out jonnyboo. When the noobs say things only the dumbest villagers or wolves alike could say, I don't find it wolfy (of course, that logic hasn't caught me any noob wolves, might have to rethink that...) When it seems like they know way more than I do (not hard, though), I find it odd. I didn't even get WTF Chaos was until my 3rd game and a google search. Jonnyboo is wigging me out more than any noob I can remember.

Interesting that you think that. Chaos was something that just made sense to me during read-throughs of other games. And given the finger pointing during D1 that wasn't making much sense to me and my noob-for-brains, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that a chaos role would hop on that bandwagon to obfuscate things further. But, again, I have much less experience with this so that's just an educated guess. That's also another reason why I'm not talking much because I honestly feel like I'm just shooting the ****. I don't want to screw over the village with my inexperienced thoughts. Other experienced villagers know some players and some common wolf strategies better, so I'm kinda leaning on them to figure things out.