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Crayola227 said:
Revealing my ability will not save me, and it will only ruin the ability if for some reason I wasn't lynched.

I've already said my death is going to be like Allie's - totally shyte logic driving it. I'm not telling my role to the ass hats that couldn't follow directions and had to not only get a villager killed, but I suspect LIS' death was in some way related to mod-smiting for not only using villager code as verboten, but then mocking the Michigan amore restriction. I'm not putting fuel on that village fire for my own burning at the stake. You should thank me for not giving you more rope to hang yourselves with, AGAIN.

Rather die with a little dignity.
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To quote house "there's no such thing" that is all. Coopah dupah
 
fromthebox said:
**** Lynch Kcough****
I said genny was quiet and she chose to lynch “a quiet player” ... seems sketch to me.
And joining us, who’s us?



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Don't really like this post...


SoFloGryffindor said:
Lynch Co op!
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I would also like to know why. This vote doesn't make sense to me, with her claiming to be the one that killed dy.
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I feel like you aren't doing much to convince us otherwise...so your ability is going to go with you at this point...
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I'm doing all I can to address concerns about what people find wolfy about me. I wasn't even asked about my ability. I put as much as I thought would be be helpful to village on the table at this point.

If I can talk you guys out of lynching me with my ability secret intact, so much the better. If not, you guys were set on being my doom.
 
I went back and read both genny and FTB's posts and I have to admit, FTB's raised my suspicions. There were two softball defenses of dy that now seem more suspicious:
fromthebox said:
Dy reads like dy every time I play with her.
I feel like kcoughli is up to something but I don't know what. I had an item and used it but it didn't tell me anything (item limitations, not anything player specific/actually wolfy). I don't fully understand the original Mel issue but he feels odd to me. I feel cray is vanilla-y but don't have any strong backup for that. My PM partner is an absolute newbie and is generally real quiet. Which feels odd to me.

There are other patterns and details I can see but don't want to talk about as they don't give me a wolf/not wolf read and may give others more info by me talking bout it.
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fromthebox said:
Regardless of everyone’s feelings about dy Ihave to agree with her on this one.
This is turning into the thread of butt hurt rather than data


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And not much else but this today:
fromthebox said:
**** Lynch Kcough****
I said genny was quiet and she chose to lynch “a quiet player” ... seems sketch to me.
And joining us, who’s us?



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Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

There were not enough of genny's posts to even really get a feel, but was her post restriction something about having to apologize every time she posted yesterday? Because she did.

Anyway, with not knowing where else to go with this
Lynch FTB
 
PippyPony said:
inb4 she is wolf redirector lol
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JFC no not again.
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Ugh this Crayola thing has forced me to actually go back and read her posts. Yeah lynching Pippy was a Dumba** move but beyond a WTF reaction to that I am not feeling this lynch. Seeing how my D1 gut read on Dy was right, I'm going back to my previous gut read until I have something better.

Unlynch Crayola
Lynch Snowy
 
Melchizedek said:
JFC no not again.
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Ugh this Crayola thing has forced me to actually go back and read her posts. Yeah lynching Pippy was a Dumba** move but beyond a WTF reaction to that I am not feeling this lynch. Seeing how my D1 gut read on Dy was right, I'm going back to my previous gut read until I have something better.

Unlynch Crayola
Lynch Snowy
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I am excite.

Unlynch Crayola
Lynch Snowy
 
I'm not convinced Cray is a wolf.

All I've read all day is the same convoluted, cyclical thinking that she usually falls into, and she sent me a huge, frustrated PM about this lynch push. It seems like normal Cray to me, and the PM seemed sincere.

I'm certainly not putting my vote there today unless something completely blows up.
 
Crayola227 said:
Didn't really finish that thought. Point is, until you are re-deaded, you can't be trusted. We can let you live, let you do evil tonight, and see that you're alive in the AM, and me (a villager) dead, then village has to lynch you tomorrow. Unless you talk yourself out of why the wolves let you live. Which is easy for a rez to do sometimes. The only way to trust you is if you are dead.
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FFS....you're really still on about Pippy being a wolf. Do you really think this strategy is going to work?

Unlynch whoever lynch cray because this is beyond ridiculous now.
 
Unofficial Day 3 Lynch Tally
staff () -
SoFlo (2) - Lyra, kata
Mel (4) - Snowy, Sporty, Jil, Fern
Cray (7) - Kara, Coop, Pippy, jboo, Paws, 3m, DVMD
Pippy (1) - Cray
genny (2) - kc, vmh
kc (1) - FTB
Coop (1) - SoFlo
FTB (1) - cowgirl
Snowy (2) - Mel, AM

21/23
lynch close in 2 hours
 
Melchizedek said:
JFC no not again.
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Ugh this Crayola thing has forced me to actually go back and read her posts. Yeah lynching Pippy was a Dumba** move but beyond a WTF reaction to that I am not feeling this lynch. Seeing how my D1 gut read on Dy was right, I'm going back to my previous gut read until I have something better.

Unlynch Crayola
Lynch Snowy
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Laughed so hard. With a gif like this I need to know the game that spawned this reaction

lol still don't know how lynching Pippy was dumb and led to my bandwagon, but OK, lol

I was with you on Snowy, but I got the feeling that we weren't dealing with a wolf redirector...
 
Sorry for post/quote storm incoming but I caught up!

LetItSnow said:
Might eat my hat, but I'm gonna be amazed if allieh is a wolf.
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eating hats is @WildZoo's thing

Animal Midwife said:
Unlynch Snowy
Lynch staff
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why did you switch?

StayingPositive2017 said:
Me too. I was about to waffle and then it seemed like she wanted to die and I thought, chaos?
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what made you think chaos?

LyraGardenia said:
Well that result doesn't make me look great, I really thought we were onto something there. 😳

Sorry about that, I unexpectedly fell asleep for a bit and didn't see it until after lynch close. But most of what Allie said in her PM she also said on thread, and the rest is kind of moot at this point.

Reading over initially I thought the timing of this was sketchy af, but given the results it puts Mel a bit more in the villager column.

Contingency lynch Gryff, I'll be driving 5 hours home tomorrow and then spending time with my fiance, so not sure how much I'll be around.
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The timing of this post makes it feel less genuine. Also why gryff and how do you feel about them today?

SnowshoeDog143 said:
hmm I guess I read her thoughts as tunnelling mainly. Which is a thing I know some good players do (eg am and dvmd) but I haven't played enough with her to know if its a common thing for her. If not, she would be a good vote too.
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soft defense of dy. ends up voting mel. Can't remember if I played with snowy when she's wolfed. I do know there was a game we had very similar ideas. Need to dig it up to see which side she was on because I've been getting a similar feeling from some of the early posts that echoed me
 
PippyPony said:
Ok, would you like me to say sorry for lumping you in with Crayola? Sorry for lumping you in with Crayola. Except that I think you are kind of tag-teaming at the moment and trying to swing attention back onto Mel. Who I would ALSO like to hear more from for all the reasons stated earlier, but I think we will also get some info there based on how you flip.

On things that you have explicitly said, I am still sketched out by you. You started pushing villager lynches early game -- I can pull those posts if you would like and break them down. I still do not like your description of how you are using your role, which is almost guaranteed going to take out villagers early game in a way that does not allow them to defend on the thread and leave data for others to use. So imo either you are being stubborn and cocky to the detriment of the village, or you are being wolfy. Given that you decided it was a good idea to start shooting people N2, and I do not think you are a bad player (quite the opposite), I am going to lean towards the side of wolfy.
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Weren't you the one in KD's game who was saying the rezzer needed to sit down and talk to the vig about timing? Seems like you're going against that thought in this post. I could be recalling incorrectly. You did end up on a good vote though

Crayola227 said:
TLDR:
There is something rotten in the state of Michigan.

Pippy is way wrong. Here I prove just how suspicious I was of dy, and that I found Pippy sketch the whole way through, despite her saying she was suspicious of me more than once.

Doesn't mean she's a wolf, but what she's saying just isn't true. In fact, I like it even less on reread.

I don't trust rezzes. I especially don't trust them when their behavior makes a change or starts to seem wolfy. I posit a theory that this is all part of a wolf plot.

Also I so far have counted twice that you made a comment on me being sketch, and I didn't say anything besides a generic, "I find Pippy sketch." The fact I find you sketchier now is hardly retaliatory for the reasons and quotes I've stated.

Lol.

To Pippy about finding her sketch:

Hmm, if Pippy is a wolf, Staffy is town. Now I'm wondering if that works the other way? Staff is town, and Pippy is wolf?

Convenient how Pippy left out the most obvious stake I put in the sand about Dy, my "Table of Leans." In it I literally had Dy at the TOP of my wolf list. I explain why my vote went to KC instead. Top of the list is Greeny, as well. I have Staff on there for a minimal reason, clearly I was wrong. Jonna I came off of after her defense.

Also on that list is Pippy. So no, my suspicions on Pippy are not primarily driven by her leaning on me.

Keep in mind just how early on my reads were, anyway. I reserve the right to contradict them. Oddly though, I haven't much so far.

Another quote where I indicate I was heavily suspicious of Dy (given that I was voting KC and saying here I was considering voting Dy instead)

Totally bizarre thought, but did Pippy need to get herself killed? I've seen that as a type of role on the Mafia sites. I'm not stuck on this idea of Pippy as Pure Evil, I thought she was sketch and then was surprised she was a seer, but since the rez I like her behavior even less. There is something rotten in Michigan. Maybe not her, but I am seriously looking at Pippy, Mel, Cowgirl, KC, dy.

Just more proof that I got on Pippy earlier, and before she got on me for all my likes. Which I said nothing about.

Kara also voted me, and I had nothing to say about it because I didn't think her reasoning was crappy at all. Incorrect, but not crappy.

Thought it was nice to memory lane what was suspicious about Pippy prior to current events. I wasn't coming out strongly about Pippy, true. My point was more in support of Dy's conclusion about Pippy at that point in time.

I stopped at page 8. I could go on, but think I made my point about myself and Pippy.
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Some of the people you are suspicious of have used the same logic I have. I've just been quieter about it due to clinics so I don't quite see why you put me in a different category
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
it sounds deflecty. You want us to lynch coop when you die "villager" I thought?
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that was a joke

because saying "kill so and so when I die!" without stating a reason is not at all helpful to village, even if you are a villager, if anything, if the person saying this is wrong, then they may have taken a mistaken villager with them

go read the exchange again knowing it was a joke

it was actually me saying I thought coop was village that set her off
and it's not a position on her that I've backed down from

sometimes I'm retaliatory because I'm emotional, I swear to God I mostly try not to be
 
Crayola227 said:
Has Pippy confirmed whether or not what Mel is saying about the timing of her role reveal to be true or not?? I can't recall. It would be nice, since if he lied that would be pretty damning.
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Nice deflection after the dy info came out (prior to dy's death)

SnowshoeDog143 said:
Also, I was thinking the redirector seemed village. It has been a village role in the last few games, and I think the chances of the wolves using that and a kill on pippy are not very high.
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I can't remember if I have (and if I haven't I've thought about it) but I would make a redirector a wolf role if I haven't already. Not saying that's the case for this game

Crayola227 said:
I thought you were still considered nooby? where did you become the WW statistician? I get that I'm always quoting mafiawiki, but I attribute my sourse... then make dumb mistakes.
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Snowy is from my noob game. She has played more games than you at this point I think. Just was absent for a while

Crayola227 said:
It's going to be pretty sad for you guys to lynch me day 2, given what my ability is. It's nothing too special but it's a decent one for village. But go for it. I can't sit here and defend until 7 pm.

Listen to the rezz'd ex-seer, who I highly doubt came back with her ability or affiliation. Unless the wolves knew for sure she didn't come back a seer, they would kill her, even if they thought as a rezzed villager her sketchtasticness would be good cover. If we believe Cowgirl, there's only 2 left, not counting any possible converts. They couldn't afford to let her live just for cover. Not when you have me instead.

I would kill a rez over someone you guys find sketch mostly for noob mistakes.

Never mind all the quiet people. Chances are far higher that's where your wolves are.
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Seems like you're just throwing all sorts of accusations out. Who besides pippy would you vote. Also, it would be better to come out with your role than hint at and refuse to give as @Animal Midwife can tell you

StayingPositive2017 said:
Except that we've established the possibility that wolves might have cover roles ala previous Finn games, so unless Finn gave them cover roles that aren't real cover roles, then what good does this do?
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Have we really established this or is it just an idea that someone floated that caused confusion in the allieh lynch? All I've seen is a wolf who didn't respond and a wolf who gave ability but not name. Seems less like cover roles to me

Coopah said:
Slow flowing gryf is on the docket for tomorrow
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coop I'm having a hard time following you tonight but it is giving me much amusement. Carry on?
 
Home from work so time to figure out where I want to settle my vote at for tonight. Was skimming posts during the day but there was way too much insanity occurring to keep track of. Good job Coop on taking Dy out! You get some village cred for that, although it could theoretically be a crazy wolf scheme. However there are many more sketchy options to chase in the meantime.

Shall update in a bit once I get through it all. Apologies for any word vomit as I catch up.
 
Karabiner13 said:
Some of the people you are suspicious of have used the same logic I have. I've just been quieter about it due to clinics so I don't quite see why you put me in a different category
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I will pull up the post you made about finding me sketch to show why I didn't think it was bad.
 
Karabiner13 said:
You don't have to know people to get a read on them. Just look for inconsitencies. I don't think I've played with greeney before but they posted an odd comment and then when pressure was applied, she never returned. Something like that is odd and doesn't take knowing someone to decide to lynch them. Haven't seen if you gave AM an answer on who else you find suspicious. If you haven't I'd like to hear who your top suspicions are



You have a soft defense of greeney here. It might have been a similar comment to how she's posted before but what about dropping off completely when people were trying to get her to answer? And as AM pointed out to me in pm, greeney has made odd comments before but usually she gets a lynch vote out too. I feel like you just jumped on to say me too so if Greeney flipped you'd have suspicions to point back to
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Karabiner13 said:
That FTB quote wasn't very helpful. Maybe in theory the info is fluid through pms but there are a lot of variables that influence that and it would be like a game of telephone. So unless it's direct from the person you're pm'ing with, you really have to take it with a grain of salt



Lol, greeney came on strong? I'd really like to hear your top suspicions as of today



It's better to be participating than lurking. Read through Wwar of 3 Wworlds for why you should participate and what happens if people don't (wolves can coast to a win). Posting and giving your suspicions helps us get a read on you. Yes, as a noob you might be read more sketch but you shouldn't let that hold you back
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These were great points. I didn't rebut them, because they were legit
 
Well since dy was a wolf, that lowers mel from being wolfy imo. So back to craycray

unlynch mel
lynch cray

But also noting the mel/cowgirl/pippy stuff because if mel's not a wolf, he's probably not lying so is pippy? But she hasn't really seemed wolfy today. Would be weird for her to come back chaos... (just trying to figure out what I think of this situation)
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Well since dy was a wolf, that lowers mel from being wolfy imo. So back to craycray

unlynch mel
lynch cray

But also noting the mel/cowgirl/pippy stuff because if mel's not a wolf, he's probably not lying so is pippy? But she hasn't really seemed wolfy today. Would be weird for her to come back chaos... (just trying to figure out what I think of this situation)
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Would you like to address the rising concerns about you snowypuppy?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Didn't like the defending of dy and pushing of Pippy.
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Just a note that I didn't defend dy. Just wanted to look at more angles of her claim more then just throw a bandwagon vote out there like most people were doing. Also, you can ignore because wifom, but after last game, If I was a wolf and knew pippy was village I would probably pocket her for village more then push her lynch, because she wasn't great at reading me.
 
Coopah said:
She's 18 now! (I think) partypants
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Oh well in that case :naughty:

Crayola227 said:
Laughed so hard. With a gif like this I need to know the game that spawned this reaction

lol still don't know how lynching Pippy was dumb and led to my bandwagon, but OK, lol

I was with you on Snowy, but I got the feeling that we weren't dealing with a wolf redirector...
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It was a dumba** move because by your own logic of there has to be a wolf in cowgirl/me/Pippy and me being cleared, the logical vote would have been Cowgirl because Pippy is the one who practically drove the Dy lynch today. Highly doubtful that she came back rezzed as a wolf and then proceeded to bus a fellow wolf when she could have stuck to lynching me and driving that wagon based on how suspect I was.

If Cray DOES flip wolf I'd be strongly convinced that Cowgirl is worth lynching next because this could have been cray not thinking and reactively lynching Pippy because the other option was a wolf-buddy.

Also the gif was in reference to any game that you were a redirector regardless of alignment, you consistently made **** hit the fan and made me want to duck and cover haha

Michigan good
 
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