UPenn c/o 2024

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.
I have my interview on Friday, I'm so excited! Current students - what are your favorite things about the school? Why did you end up choosing Penn over other schools?
What I really like about the school itself: very long track record of producing great vets. Pretty diverse curriculum I think, with tons of opportunities for wetlabs, shadowing, time in the hospital, etc. Massive caseload at both the small and large animal hospitals. Very collaborative atmosphere where students don’t try to compete with each other. Admins are trying to get us more clinical experience and it seems like they’ve made progress and are continuing to do so. Cool opportunities for work and experience within the school. Tons of research opportunities. Penn is a research powerhouse.

I mainly chose it because I’m from here, my family is here, and my life is based around Philly. Most of what I know about vetmed started with things related to Penn. It’s just a great school with a long history and cool diverse location.
One of the things that really appealed to me about Penn is its Philadelphia location. I am a city girl at heart, and I really enjoy that the city is walkable, there's decent public transportation, and there's so much to do and see. For large animal peeps, our split campus might be a downside because it's about an hour drive to New Bolton Center, the large animal hospital, and there's no school-provided or public transit available. The school works with the students to set up carpools, however, and I've had no issues finding a ride to the large animal experiences at NBC. I don't have a car, and I don't feel like I miss it (maybe take it with a grain of salt, since I'm small animal/exotic focused).

Another huge deciding factor for me is that my boyfriend's family is 45 minutes away, which means I have a support system here. He lives in Boston, and he diligently makes the 6 hour drive to come see me about twice a month (God bless that man!)

As I mentioned before, I'm on scholarship, and that was probably the #1 deciding factor for me.

Penn has its upsides and downsides, just like every vet school. I don't necessarily agree with ajs that our school isn't competitive; it's vet school, and there are always going to be competitive people in this field. However, I'd say they do their best to create a class that's diverse and balanced. Overall, I'm happy with my choice.

No one is going to bring up Dev Bio or Anatomy....? I mean don't get me wrong, I've heard some stories about professors down in the South, and that makes me thankful to be up here at Penn, but still, we're paying a lot of $$ and what we're getting.... at least let these guys should get a good dose of the truth. But yes, everywhere has it's pros and cons. This school is awesome and at this point, I don't think I would change it for Tufts or Colorado which were my other options, but at the same time, I would have really really REALLY appreciated it, if the current students had said what you guys said but also what it was really like.

What all the current students are afraid to talk about is how everyone trashes the current way the curriculum is set up and in certain courses, the number of professors to student ratio. We're having a total over haul of the system because of this for Fall 2021. I think it will be good in the long run... but there will be kinks in the beginning (just ask @StayingPositive2017 abut Michigan's overhaul). Furthermore, even though the hands on element is being increased, literally the entire room laughed once when we were asked how much hands on experience we get at Penn. We have good vets because we're intelligent, and in a number of classes, we have to learn a lot on our own and work through it and come back with questions ourselves. Hard, but arguably it does help make you remember it more. Regarding people, it's what you want. Vet school is majority people between 22-25 so it's going to be cliquey AF. I can sit at any lunch table and have everyone be perfectly nice and sweet, but if you want someone to be there at 2am when your dog is throwing up and needs to go to the ER.... hopefully you make some good friends and are part of a good mini crew. But at the end of the day, everyone needs to do well and get to where they're going. Doesn't meant people won't post their study guides and what not to help others. Plus, who doesn't like showing off how much they know? You have to somewhat be type A to get past all the competitiveness just to get into vet school.
 
Last edited:
There are a good number of things. There are externships you can do from your fourth year that get you a good amount of surgical experience. There are trips to either other countries or other parts of the US where you give veterinary care to the pets in that area. There’s a shelter med course where you do a lot of spays and neuters. We have a surgery club that lets you shadow a lot of surgeries if you have the time as well. As of right now there isn’t a lot built in to the curriculum to get surgical experience, but it’s out there if you look for it. Maybe once the curriculum redesign is finalized we’ll find out more about it, and hopefully they’ll add some more opportunities.
I just want to kind of clarify...the shelter med course is available to 2nd years currently, and is good experience BUT you absolutely do not do lots of spays and neuters. You get to do 1-2 cat neuters, and maybe a spay depending on what animals the shelter partners have that needs surgery. We got lucky when I took it and everyone did spay...but we had JUST enough female animals over the course of the 2 shelter days and that very easily could have not been the case. So while it is good experience and you will get to do at least one surgery (neuter or spay), do not go into it thinking you are going to get a lots of surgeries.

You can get hands on experience if you seek it out, but to be completely honest...don't expect that to happen through regular course work based on the way the curriculum is set up now. There are wet labs, working in the cat/dog colony, options to be a patient care assistant etc. if you are interested...but that is all extra-curricular.

And just to mention again...the curriculum is being completely re-designed so our experiences are likely not representative of what the incoming class will experience and we honestly have no idea what its really going to be like for you guys; but feel free to message me if anyone has questions. I also tend to disagree with the not competitive thing and find some aspects of the curriculum to be frustrating...but I'm also a little bit of a hermit and really hate city life, so maybe its a personality thing.
 
I just want to kind of clarify...the shelter med course is available to 2nd years currently, and is good experience BUT you absolutely do not do lots of spays and neuters. You get to do 1-2 cat neuters, and maybe a spay depending on what animals the shelter partners have that needs surgery. We got lucky when I took it and everyone did spay...but we had JUST enough female animals over the course of the 2 shelter days and that very easily could have not been the case. So while it is good experience and you will get to do at least one surgery (neuter or spay), do not go into it thinking you are going to get a lots of surgeries.

You can get hands on experience if you seek it out, but to be completely honest...don't expect that to happen through regular course work based on the way the curriculum is set up now. There are wet labs, working in the cat/dog colony, options to be a patient care assistant etc. if you are interested...but that is all extra-curricular.

And just to mention again...the curriculum is being completely re-designed so our experiences are likely not representative of what the incoming class will experience and we honestly have no idea what its really going to be like for you guys; but feel free to message me if anyone has questions. I also tend to disagree with the not competitive thing and find some aspects of the curriculum to be frustrating...but I'm also a little bit of a hermit and really hate city life, so maybe its a personality thing.
Wow the shelter med course was not described that way from the upperclassmen and faculty I’ve spoken to. Do you know if it depends on the season? Because if that’s how it always is then I was definitely lied to.

Also the curriculum redesign was postponed to 2021 so the incoming class will have the same curriculum that we have. After that though is a different story
 
Wow the shelter med course was not described that way from the upperclassmen and faculty I’ve spoken to. Do you know if it depends on the season? Because if that’s how it always is then I was definitely lied to.

Also the curriculum redesign was postponed to 2021 so the incoming class will have the same curriculum that we have. After that though is a different story
They re-designed the course. It used to be open starting 1st year, and you'd take it as 3 separate courses (1st was cat neuter, 2nd dog neuter, 3rd cat spay)...but it was very poorly organized and from my understanding shift sign ups wound up being kind of unfair/unsupervised so some got to do a lot while others didnt even get the one or two required to pass the course/struggled to find open shifts.

So now its only open to 2nd years, its just one course instead of 3, and you are just assigned 2 shelter days instead of signing up for them on your own. So its better in that everyone definitely has their shelter shifts, theres more oversight so everyone gets a surgery on their shelter day, and in theory you CAN get a cat spay or dog neuter without taking 3 separate courses...but you definitely dont get tons of surgeries and there is no longer an option to sign up for additional/extra shelter shifts.
 
They re-designed the course. It used to be open starting 1st year, and you'd take it as 3 separate courses (1st was cat neuter, 2nd dog neuter, 3rd cat spay)...but it was very poorly organized and from my understanding shift sign ups wound up being kind of unfair/unsupervised so some got to do a lot while others didnt even get the one or two required to pass the course/struggled to find open shifts.

So now its only open to 2nd years, its just one course instead of 3, and you are just assigned 2 shelter days instead of signing up for them on your own. So its better in that everyone definitely has their shelter shifts, theres more oversight so everyone gets a surgery on their shelter day, and in theory you CAN get a cat spay or dog neuter without taking 3 separate courses...but you definitely dont get tons of surgeries and there is no longer an option to sign up for additional/extra shelter shifts.
Oof. Thanks for the info. I definitely still want to take it, but I think that should be more well known. Like some mass memo going out telling alumni clinicians to stop telling us we’ll be getting tons of surgical experience......
 
Are you guys serious? No one is going to bring up Dev Bio or Anatomy....? I mean don't get me wrong, I've heard some stories about professors down in the South, and that makes me thankful to be up here at Penn, but still, we're paying a lot of $$ and what we're getting.... at least let these guys should get a good dose of the truth. But yes, everywhere has it's pros and cons. This school is awesome and at this point, I don't think I would change it for Tufts or Colorado which were my other options, but at the same time, I would have really really REALLY appreciated it, if the current students had said what you guys said but also what it was really like.

The questions were what do I like about Penn, and why did I choose it, so I thought I was answering them! I'm sorry that came off as not giving a realistic picture, and I completely agree with the cons you and others have discussed. I am super wary of the new curriculum because as you guys said, I got so much support from upperclassmen and the test boxes, and I'm not sure how much help that will be for the new curriculum... among the other kinks that need to be worked out. I'll believe it when I see it...
 
The questions were what do I like about Penn, and why did I choose it, so I thought I was answering them! I'm sorry that came off as not giving a realistic picture, and I completely agree with the cons you and others have discussed. I am super wary of the new curriculum because as you guys said, I got so much support from upperclassmen and the test boxes, and I'm not sure how much help that will be for the new curriculum... among the other kinks that need to be worked out. I'll believe it when I see it...

Oops, I'm sorry! I meant that in a figure of speech kind of way, not why aren't you doing a good job at explaining!! :bag: ::hugs::
 
Are you guys serious? No one is going to bring up Dev Bio or Anatomy....? I mean don't get me wrong, I've heard some stories about professors down in the South, and that makes me thankful to be up here at Penn, but still, we're paying a lot of $$ and what we're getting.... at least let these guys should get a good dose of the truth. But yes, everywhere has it's pros and cons. This school is awesome and at this point, I don't think I would change it for Tufts or Colorado which were my other options, but at the same time, I would have really really REALLY appreciated it, if the current students had said what you guys said but also what it was really like.

What all the current students are afraid to talk about is how everyone trashes the current way the curriculum is set up and in certain courses, the number of professors to student ratio. We're having a total over haul of the system because of this for Fall 2021. I think it will be good in the long run... but there will be kinks in the beginning (just ask @StayingPositive2017 abut Michigan's overhaul). Furthermore, even though the hands on element is being increased, literally the entire room laughed once when we were asked how much hands on experience we get at Penn. We have good vets because we're intelligent, and in a number of classes, we have to learn a lot on our own and work through it and come back with questions ourselves. Hard, but arguably it does help make you remember it more. Regarding people, it's what you want. Vet school is majority people between 22-25 so it's going to be cliquey AF. I can sit at any lunch table and have everyone be perfectly nice and sweet, but if you want someone to be there at 2am when your dog is throwing up and needs to go to the ER.... hopefully you make some good friends and are part of a good mini crew. But at the end of the day, everyone needs to do well and get to where they're going. Doesn't meant people won't post their study guides and what not to help others. Plus, who doesn't like showing off how much they know? You have to somewhat be type A to get past all the competitiveness just to get into vet school.

If you want the real deal, PM me questions and I'd be happy to chat with you and tell you how it really is. I don't want to upset anyone, though.

Oh wow! PMed you, would love to hear some more info on what it's like.
 
Yeah I’m just going to be frank and say Penn was my dream school because of proximity my boyfriend and my horse and because I had a legacy of sorts because of the clinic I’ve worked in since I was a teenager. I actually liked other schools I interviewed at better price and location aside.

I hate cities, the split campus is not ideal as a mixed animal person, and the anatomy department desperately needs an overhaul. (Also whoever complained about Dev Bio I love you that was by far literally my least favorite class and everyone says I’m crazy)

BUT I think for all the torture, Penn does produce some amazing veterinarians and it’s hard to compete with the case load at both hospitals for clinical year. I also really like our class and I know some people are saying it can be competitive but if you hang out with the right people it’s definitely not.
 
do we need to bring a copy of our resume to the interview? i was assuming they have a copy of our application and i wouldn’t need it but now i have last minute worry
 
do we need to bring a copy of our resume to the interview? i was assuming they have a copy of our application and i wouldn’t need it but now i have last minute worry

No, definitely don't bring a resume. You don't need it and it would look silly to hand it to someone when they have all the pertinent information.
 
do we need to bring a copy of our resume to the interview? i was assuming they have a copy of our application and i wouldn’t need it but now i have last minute worry
It shouldn’t make a difference if you do or don’t. Some people do, others don’t. My personal preference was to not bring one since, in my opinion, an interview in this case is to see the stuff that’s not written in your application.
 
Does anyone know for sure when the last interview date is? I know if it’s following last year then there will only be 6 dates. Maybe there will be more dates than last year? I’m starting to feel discouraged that people heard today about an interview and I still haven’t heard anything as an IS applicant.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN
 
Does anyone know for sure when the last interview date is? I know if it’s following last year then there will only be 6 dates. Maybe there will be more dates than last year? I’m starting to feel discouraged that people heard today about an interview and I still haven’t heard anything as an IS applicant.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN

I feel ya. I’m worried the last interview date might be the 14th in which case it coincides with another interview I already have scheduled anyway. If that is the case though then I think we have one more date to hear back on.
 
Does anyone know for sure when the last interview date is? I know if it’s following last year then there will only be 6 dates. Maybe there will be more dates than last year? I’m starting to feel discouraged that people heard today about an interview and I still haven’t heard anything as an IS applicant.
I feel ya. I’m worried the last interview date might be the 14th in which case it coincides with another interview I already have scheduled anyway. If that is the case though then I think we have one more date to hear back on.

The last interview date is the 14th. I hope it works out and you don't have any conflicts!
 
I feel ya. I’m worried the last interview date might be the 14th in which case it coincides with another interview I already have scheduled anyway. If that is the case though then I think we have one more date to hear back on.
I had a conflict and was able to make it work! Penn won’t change your day but definitely ask your other school, especially if they have other interview days. Michigan State was happy to accommodate. I just sent an email saying I was invited to interview at another school on the same day but was still very interested in MSU and was wondering if they had an opening on another day. Easy peasy 🙂
 
Does anyone know for sure when the last interview date is? I know if it’s following last year then there will only be 6 dates. Maybe there will be more dates than last year? I’m starting to feel discouraged that people heard today about an interview and I still haven’t heard anything as an IS applicant.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN
I’m OOS, but same here about feeling discouraged. Do you think they’ll still send out invites today for 2/7?
 
I’m OOS, but same here about feeling discouraged. Do you think they’ll still send out invites today for 2/7?

I’m not sure. I really hope so! It doesn’t seem like that many people heard anything yesterday, but then again not everyone is on SDN. I’m holding out hope though.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN
 
Hi all! Accepted as an IS applicant this past Monday, and now that I'm out this "high" of excitement, I want to see how feasible it would be for me to attend Penn (my top) considering it is a pretty expensive school. Can anyone that is a current student possibly share how they financed their education so far? Is Penn known for giving grants, need-based financial aid in general?
Thanks!
 
Hi all! Accepted as an IS applicant this past Monday, and now that I'm out this "high" of excitement, I want to see how feasible it would be for me to attend Penn (my top) considering it is a pretty expensive school. Can anyone that is a current student possibly share how they financed their education so far? Is Penn known for giving grants, need-based financial aid in general?
Thanks!
Loans will cover your entire cost of attendance. However, there are definitely some opportunities for scholarships. Some people get recruitment scholarships which, if you get one, you’ll be notified in a few months I believe. There are some other scholarships you can get which range in amount from like $1000 to several thousand. I’ve heard you get more opportunities for scholarships after your first year since many end up being based at least partially on your academics first year and beyond. We get notified of the availability of outside scholarships pretty regularly. These things can be based off of your state of residence, career interest, research interests, etc. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of these things won’t pay for most or even a large amount of your cost of attendance, but a few thousand dollars a year is better than nothing.

Penn is an expensive school. Unless you get a massive recruitment scholarship, several outside scholarships, or are lucky enough to be the one girl a couple years ago who got a $30,000 a year scholarship, there’s really nothing that will change that. But it’s doable. I’ve heard complaints, I’ve heard of people being totally fine with their debt after graduation, etc. The fact of the matter is that you’ll almost definitely have a good amount of debt graduating from any vet school if you’re not going to your state school. Penn is my IS school but that $10,000 a year subsidy doesn’t change a whole lot. It still ended up being the same price as basically everywhere else. For me, there were other factors that made me not care about the money. If you can reason that in your head as well, then go for it. If there are significantly cheaper options then do that.
 
Question for current students, what would you say is a more realistic cost of room/board in the city? Just trying to figure out the finances of attending/tweak the estimated cost to look more realistic
 
Question for current students, what would you say is a more realistic cost of room/board in the city? Just trying to figure out the finances of attending/tweak the estimated cost to look more realistic
It depends on where in the city you live, how many people you live with, and if you live with a significant other or not.

If you were to live by yourself in a one bedroom, it can be from $1000-$1500 depending on where you are and how nice the place is. A really nice place would cost around $1500. A pretty meh place would cost $1000. A pretty meh place in an optimal area would cost somewhere in between. You may find somewhere a little cheaper. Totally depends.

If you live in a large apartment with roommates it can be $600-$800 or so. More people in a bigger place usually drives the price down a bit. Again, it varies based off of how nice the place is and where you are. Utilities can be around $70-$100 a month or so per person. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending on the place.

Philly is a large mix of very old and very new buildings. With very old buildings you have less efficiency and usually higher heating and AC costs. There’s just so much variability. If you want to spend $600 or so a month then there are ways to do it. I live with my girlfriend in a really nice one bedroom new construction apartment and we each pay $750. Also, all prices I listed are just averages of what I’ve heard people paying. I’ve heard of a few people paying a little less or a little more. But overall, these prices are what you’re likely to find in University City.
 
For the interview, should we focus on speaking about the experiences that align with the interest that we told Penn would be our likely focus at this point?
 
For the interview, should we focus on speaking about the experiences that align with the interest that we told Penn would be our likely focus at this point?
I would try to be honest with it. For example, I put down mixed animal as my interest because I had worked in SA clinics but did research on goats. I thought I would like to do mostly SA with maybe some LA work. But I made it very clear that my experience in a veterinary capacity was with SA only and that my mixed animal interest was simply something I wanted to explore. If you put, say, equine as your interest and you did that just for the purpose of the application, it would look pretty weird to suddenly talk about how you’ve always been passionate about becoming a feline vet.
 
For the interview, should we focus on speaking about the experiences that align with the interest that we told Penn would be our likely focus at this point?
I'm interested in public health and One Health, and my interviewers sort of challenged me to "defend" that, in particular because it's not an established track at Penn so I would have to really plan carefully and be self-motivated to best prepare for that career. I think they do want to see that you've made your choice thoughtfully and not just randomly or based on what will get you in.
 
I'm interested in public health and One Health, and my interviewers sort of challenged me to "defend" that, in particular because it's not an established track at Penn so I would have to really plan carefully and be self-motivated to best prepare for that career. I think they do want to see that you've made your choice thoughtfully and not just randomly or based on what will get you in.

I think this is an important point for people interviewing. One Health could definitely be considered a buzzword at this point, so it's worth putting in some thought about what specific aspects of One Health you'd like to implement in your career and how you'd go about getting the skills/knowledge required. Another big thing people talk about is research. Lots of people know that research is a big deal at Penn, but if you put research interest on your application, you better be able to talk about your past research or specific areas of interest in a way that someone from outside of that field can understand it. I was asked right off the bat to give a quick overview of my previous research, and it's important to be able to tailor the level of detail to the people with whom you're speaking.
 
I think this is an important point for people interviewing. One Health could definitely be considered a buzzword at this point, so it's worth putting in some thought about what specific aspects of One Health you'd like to implement in your career and how you'd go about getting the skills/knowledge required. Another big thing people talk about is research. Lots of people know that research is a big deal at Penn, but if you put research interest on your application, you better be able to talk about your past research or specific areas of interest in a way that someone from outside of that field can understand it. I was asked right off the bat to give a quick overview of my previous research, and it's important to be able to tailor the level of detail to the people with whom you're speaking.
Agreed - I had an "elevator pitch" version of my research ready to go. I googled my interviewers while waiting and found they had both done interdisciplinary research, so I imagine they were chosen for me based on my stated interest.

The pitch also helps demonstrate your ability to "sell" the story of your work to policymakers, the public, and potential donors.
 
I have an interview coming up this Friday. How much is the interview worth in your admissions decision?
 
I have an interview coming up this Friday. How much is the interview worth in your admissions decision?
Probably worth some percentage out of 100% I would think. @ajs513?

Ok but real talk, I've heard in years past that if you got an interview, it's because you check out on paper, and they just want to get a sense for what you're like in person and can you talk, be normal, have passion, are willing to contribute to society and aren't a piece of ****. So, I'd say, in the overall process, it's worth less percentage points of your overall application than say Vtech, where once you're at the interview stage, it's all about how you do in the interview.
 
Probably worth some percentage out of 100% I would think. @ajs513?

Ok but real talk, I've heard in years past that if you got an interview, it's because you check out on paper, and they just want to get a sense for what you're like in person and can you talk, be normal, have passion, are willing to contribute to society and aren't a piece of ****. So, I'd say, in the overall process, it's worth less percentage points of your overall application than say Vtech, where once you're at the interview stage, it's all about how you do in the interview.
Yea I haven’t heard anything concrete, but from what I’ve gathered it’s a pretty good amount. But there’s a reason they make decisions so quickly after interviews. I’ve heard that by the end of the day of the interview they already have their decisions made. So with that in mind and without knowing for sure (I’m not an admissions rep so this is just speculation) I’d figure that the interview is pretty much what they’re basing most of their decision off of once you’ve been offered one.
 
Yea I haven’t heard anything concrete, but from what I’ve gathered it’s a pretty good amount. But there’s a reason they make decisions so quickly after interviews. I’ve heard that by the end of the day of the interview they already have their decisions made. So with that in mind and without knowing for sure (I’m not an admissions rep so this is just speculation) I’d figure that the interview is pretty much what they’re basing most of their decision off of once you’ve been offered one.

I think this is probably the more accurate take. The interview features pretty heavily in who gets admitted, and the decisions are made very quickly following each interview session. Checking out on paper is one thing, but you can be a great student without necessarily have the understanding of veterinary medicine or the maturity level that would set you up for success in vet school. This also gives the people who may not have been the best students and don't compare as favorably on paper the opportunity to demonstrate that they have a skill set and outlook on the profession that will enable them to be successful over someone who might have better grades.
 
Last edited:
Waiting for the call after my interview on this past Friday. This is painful, I've never looked at my phone more!
 
Spoke too soon and didn't get a call- instead got an email that I'm on hold :/ Trying to be positive but I don't think that will bode well for me
Don’t feel defeated yet! There are at least a handful of people in my class who were taken from the waitlist. Of course things can change from year to year, but it doesn’t mean you’re not in!
 
Don’t feel defeated yet! There are at least a handful of people in my class who were taken from the waitlist. Of course things can change from year to year, but it doesn’t mean you’re not in!
Thank you!! Have you heard of anyone who gets accepted from being on Hold or does most everyone go to the waitlist?
 
Thank you!! Have you heard of anyone who gets accepted from being on Hold or does most everyone go to the waitlist?
Just checked with classmates. It’s actually better than waitlist. You’re in the pool of potential candidates from now until the end of interviews. If after interviews end you still haven’t been accepted and they still are considering you then you go into the waitlist. If not then you get a rejection. So you’re still in the running.
 
Top