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His take on bob wasn't wrong, but he's using it just to help wolf read one of my village reads.The bob vote is lazy and I don't like that shorty is on it
Shorty you get a D1 pass since you haven't played in a while, but I would be voting for her rn.
@alleycat03 you said you're busy but did you really peace out on a salt vote?
Again, the focus of his bob read isn't actually about bob, it's about shorty.null. Shorty voting for him gives him a weak village point if/when shorty flips wolf.
Vote Sporty
Why'd you choose Sporty?
Still really don't get how he thinks someone sussing his top wolf push is also a wolf.I'm village leaning cray rn and Sporty's response to me about her wanting to vote shorty off of feels was.....meh
And then Sporty's reply here makes his prior post sound stretchy, going from her referencing one post that felt weird to Mel saying she wanted to vote her off. I never like the look of someone changing up another person's words and stretching them to make them look bad.Mel do you ever read anything
I never said I wanted to vote shorty. I just said that one post felt weird and I want to reevaluate her tone in past games.
Interested in putting pressure on Dina, another of my village reads.What I do want to know is how you (Cray) feel about shorty and Dina
I've already responded to this series of posts regarding my lack of communication with him, but I'll repeat that I made no effort to engage because he showed up with the promise of some more content, I was waiting to see it show up, and he didn't end up providing much at all. And by the time EOD is within an hour, everyone's effort is focused on who's on the board and not prompting a new suspicion on someone else, and my effort is focused on keeping up so I don't miss something important before yeet close.RVS - Random Voting Stage
What I'm getting at is that an RVS vote is pretty much expected to be moved by EOD, so its weird to me you went out of your way to say you were going to move it. But whats pinging me more is that you mentioned seeing that I was contributing, but you made no effort to engage with me or evaluate my contributions before/after vote close.
Its not game-style differences. look at her initial reads list. A lot of it is just circular stream of thought reads that don't say much. I ABHOR people wall posting reads. Its an easy first bid for village cred. She's made multiple posts D1 that were similar bids for easy village cred that just scream LAMIST, but now that I see its continued well into D2, I reconsidered her as genuine village.I still hate this take on shorty's read posts (shorty is feeling pretty village to me, and her giant reads and ISO posts are 100% normal for villager shorty). Feels reads are valid, especially when it's D1 and there's only three pages of content. Yes, I know some of this boils down to game style differences, but game style differences don't make someone more or less likely to be wolf. A villager would be more likely to acknowledge the difference between game style differences and an actual wolf read than a wolf whose goal is to be deceptive. Still really hate that Mel calls shorty out for lack of contribution when this is his first content post.
Sounds like a way to bait others into a shorty wolf read by getting someone other than himself to point out more sus things. One person wolf reading someone is a lot less powerful, psychologically speaking, than two people doing it.
Nothing setting off alarm bells yet. He sounds like village Mel so far.
I don’t know that I have a good history reading shorty? Which makes me uncomfortable leaning her one way or the other. I feel the same way about reading her that I do with sporty - just doesn’t click for me.
I’m more comfortable with AM, Mel, cubs, Dina, April in terms of forming reads. Village leans so far, with April and AM most village.
Why April?
This is MsP we're talking about right? The person with a rep for flying under the radar or not posting enough? Any post she makes, I'm taking into consideration and will gut react to on thread or in my mental notes. I'm continuing to keep her on my radar and am now especially interested in seeing her reads now that her sporty/bob theory is bunk.There is a difference between analyzing someone's actions and analyzing someone's reasoning for their actions. From what I could tell from MsP's post, she didn't think the fact that AM didn't vote for her was wolfy, but she was curious about the reason AM gave for not voting for her. Calling out MsP's logic feels like an easy and deceptive blow.
Asked and answeredStill really don't get how he thinks someone sussing his top wolf push is also a wolf.
I got home late after a busy day and reading fast under deadline pressure doesn't make for the best comprehensionAnd then Sporty's reply here makes his prior post sound stretchy, going from her referencing one post that felt weird to Mel saying she wanted to vote her off. I never like the look of someone changing up another person's words and stretching them to make them look bad.
Interested in putting pressure on Dina, another of my village reads.
But you were around AFTER yeet close too and had nothing to say to me, someone whose vote you had just sat on all day.I've already responded to this series of posts regarding my lack of communication with him, but I'll repeat that I made no effort to engage because he showed up with the promise of some more content, I was waiting to see it show up, and he didn't end up providing much at all. And by the time EOD is within an hour, everyone's effort is focused on who's on the board and not prompting a new suspicion on someone else, and my effort is focused on keeping up so I don't miss something important before yeet close.
See my last post re: shorty.@Melchizedek I feel like you stopped pushing shorty as hard. Did something change or are you looking for an easier misyeet target after no one followed you onto the shorty idea?
Feels, like all D1 reads.I'm also still waiting for @genny to come back and explain why she was village leaning April the most village
I would have predicted I died. Instead, I just slept like the dead. Highest grossing month ever! Which is crazy, because work is supposed to be slowing down now.I actually can't predict what genny would do. That's why I said she's unpredictable lol
About your vote on me? I'd bet you know your vote is wrongI'm feeling really good about my vote. Let's see if the rest of your analysis makes me feel better.
Are you wolf reading Mel?About your vote on me? I'd bet you know your vote is wrong
The first half of the ISO moved him from dead neutral to wolfy.Are you wolf reading Mel?
What about the second half?The first half of the ISO moved him from dead neutral to wolfy.
I haven't done it yet. It's gonna be postponed because I'm heading into the school for an emerg c section in the next half hourWhat about the second half?
*vibrates impatiently*Night closed, results pending
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is your thought here that wolves are employing a strategy of complete absenceYeet MsP
I need to finish trackers to decide if I'm going to stay here, but I thought I remembered a weird VCA interaction between the two. It has nothing to do with activity as that is NAI.is your thought here that wolves are employing a strategy of complete absence
I'm just going to get this out on thread now because wolves likely know at this point.
I was pleasy's mason partner and was approached last night, and a familiar presence stood in my way. I'm assuming I was the kill target and pleasy died instead
is your thought here that wolves are employing a strategy of complete absence
@cubsrule4e can we talk about your comment yesterday about wanting to see if I moved off genny when the pressure was on her? Seems like a bit of projection.
I want to look more closely at the votes on her D1 and yesterday when I have time this afternoon.also I wouldn't be surprised if the other wolves were bussing genny. I think I remember when she was busy in madagascar she told the pack they could bus her and additionally let the pack bus her in pirates
I’m not sure - I know she was in the tie for a bit and I want to look back at vote movement. I’ve got my undergrad in the lab this morning though so going to have to wait until later today.what do you think about cubs voting genny on D1? Do you think it was *beep beep*?
cubs and I were on her D1. You started the votes for her D2, I followed you then April joined. I think Cubs was last on. Then April broke the 3-way tie (that included herself) towards bob at the same time I tried to break it towards april. Then i gave in and moved to bob at the last second. Don't remember the timing of the early votes but the tiebreaking movement was all in the last couple minutes before close.I want to look more closely at the votes on her D1 and yesterday when I have time this afternoon.
neutral, wolf lean - while in some ways she feels more like old cray than last game, some of her PBP catchups have felt very different, like she has more thread awareness while claiming ignorance. But I think she was pretty behind in the last posts i remember from her so idk.@TelemarketingEnigma what are your thoughts on cray? Also @supershorty same question to you when you have the chance
neutral, wolf lean - while in some ways she feels more like old cray than last game, some of her PBP catchups have felt very different, like she has more thread awareness while claiming ignorance. But I think she was pretty behind in the last posts i remember from her so idk.
I'd actually like to hear @Aprilthearab 's thoughts on cray too
cubs and I were on her D1. You started the votes for her D2, I followed you then April joined. I think Cubs was last on. Then April broke the 3-way tie (that included herself) towards bob at the same time I tried to break it towards april. Then i gave in and moved to bob at the last second. Don't remember the timing of the early votes but the tiebreaking movement was all in the last couple minutes before close.
neutral, wolf lean - while in some ways she feels more like old cray than last game, some of her PBP catchups have felt very different, like she has more thread awareness while claiming ignorance. But I think she was pretty behind in the last posts i remember from her so idk.
I'd actually like to hear @Aprilthearab 's thoughts on cray too
I will say that from wolfing with her, being behind is not necessarily AI, because she was frequently behind even within wolfchat. but I think she gets a little less behind when wolfing because packmates can fill in important detailsI was asking you specifically since you wolfed with her in RvB and because I can see her targeting me early after what she said in RvB dead chat lol
seems like a jokey opening voteYeet ms p
Welcome back!!!
in response to AM about not pressuring MsPBecause you’re wolfing together?
white knighting BobAm I the only one that doesn’t think Bob is odd? I think he’s funny.
For people who can read genny better or have wolfed with her, does it seem likely she would openly village read a packmate? she consistently names April and AM as top village reads, doesn't say much about others aside from white knighting bobi think April and AM sound village so far. everyone else is still in the eel pool.
re: staying on her MsP voteI never had a reason to move off. Also wasn’t around for close. Yesterday was a long day.
again, labeling April and AM most villageNothing setting off alarm bells yet. He sounds like village Mel so far.
I don’t know that I have a good history reading shorty? Which makes me uncomfortable leaning her one way or the other. I feel the same way about reading her that I do with sporty - just doesn’t click for me.
I’m more comfortable with AM, Mel, cubs, Dina, April in terms of forming reads. Village leans so far, with April and AM most village.
in response to shorty questioning her claimed inability to read herIdk that was a lot of games ago and I just don’t feel confident that I can read you this game. Either I’m having sporty/shorty dysphoria, or something is off.
more white knighting bobI don’t see why Bob is getting so much suspicion. I feel like he attracts votes every game just because he likes to make jokes.
still white knighting bobYeah I think so. The defensiveness does set off little pings, but I think on the whole I get a village vibe.
the whitest of knightingI have skimmed. I saw something about phrasing. Bob’s a smart guy despite the class clown act, and I don’t think he had any Freudian slips like that when he wolfed before. Unless I’ve skimmed over something else?
re: her village read of April i thinkFeels, like all D1 reads.
I would have predicted I died. Instead, I just slept like the dead. Highest grossing month ever! Which is crazy, because work is supposed to be slowing down now.
Waiting to see if I actually have to get caught up in the next 36 hours, or if I’m dead.
@cubsrule4e can we talk about your comment yesterday about wanting to see if I moved off genny when the pressure was on her? Seems like a bit of projection.
lol what?I'm looking at shorty's trackers from last night and cubs definitely looks the worst
what do you think about cubs voting genny on D1? Do you think it was *beep beep*?
what do you think about cubs voting genny on D1? Do you think it was *beep beep*?
For people who can read genny better or have wolfed with her, does it seem likely she would openly village read a packmate? she consistently names April and AM as top village reads, doesn't say much about others aside from white knighting bob
lol what?
So me suggesting that shorty could have been bussing her at some point is ridiculous according to AM, but you think me bussing genny makes perfect sense?
So by this logic, as Wolf!cubs, I led a charge on genny for two days, just long enough to get her voted out, and then jumped off, not only losing any village credit I would have received, but on the contrary drawing attention to myself as a wolf as well?
I mean, I was just talking about how this is a legit w/v interaction to have when Dina is villaging... he's not the only one thinking it turns out lolMaybe he should kill Dina instead
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Trying to break up the ISO into readable chunks, here's what I've got so far
I still hate this take on shorty's read posts (shorty is feeling pretty village to me, and her giant reads and ISO posts are 100% normal for villager shorty). Feels reads are valid, especially when it's D1 and there's only three pages of content. Yes, I know some of this boils down to game style differences, but game style differences don't make someone more or less likely to be wolf. A villager would be more likely to acknowledge the difference between game style differences and an actual wolf read than a wolf whose goal is to be deceptive. Still really hate that Mel calls shorty out for lack of contribution when this is his first content post.
Sounds like a way to bait others into a shorty wolf read by getting someone other than himself to point out more sus things. One person wolf reading someone is a lot less powerful, psychologically speaking, than two people doing it.
There is a difference between analyzing someone's actions and analyzing someone's reasoning for their actions. From what I could tell from MsP's post, she didn't think the fact that AM didn't vote for her was wolfy, but she was curious about the reason AM gave for not voting for her. Calling out MsP's logic feels like an easy and deceptive blow.
Didn't Cubs pull yesterday's vote off of Genny once I voted there?what do you think about cubs voting genny on D1? Do you think it was *beep beep*?
Neutral, I felt weird about her interactions with Sporty as w/v but didn't get a feel for which might be which. I was initially thinking Sporty might be the wolfier of the two but I think I'm leaning Sporty a bit more village nowneutral, wolf lean - while in some ways she feels more like old cray than last game, some of her PBP catchups have felt very different, like she has more thread awareness while claiming ignorance. But I think she was pretty behind in the last posts i remember from her so idk.
I'd actually like to hear @Aprilthearab 's thoughts on cray too
I think your vote had to do with him pulling off but you were on first, he followed you then backed outDidn't Cubs pull yesterday's vote off of Genny once I voted there?
I’m village leaning Mel so I’m not sure why I’m grouped in with April. That’s why I made the DocE comment earlier, he also was village and criticized my playstyle the same way.I kinda disagree here. And no one is acknowledging, and only focusing on Mel criticizing Shorty for her "signature" reads, that he is also criticizing the ways that other players are throwing sketch. Wolves can do that, sure, but assessing the quality of sketch someone is throwing is definitely a legit wolf hunting move.
Kinda interesting people seem to be glossing over this in analyzing Mel (Shorty and April).