WildZenge Presents: Horizon Zero DaWWn
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Cray, since you've claimed this role, can you tell us who your targets have been?
And we're front
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There's likely a wolfy redirector in play and that is deeply frustrating me
Oh could you elaborate on that?
Great, another game that relies on a hero to kill people? Is there an Alpha Wolf!Dubz 2.0?
I'm thinking about the POE again now that Sporty flipped village. I see the case on Mels and TME. Aprils was in my POE even back in tot chat because of D1 vote progression and i was finding it unlikely the alleys wagon was all village.
Is that important right now? I don't think many of us are worried about Cray
Someone acted on me last night for nefarious reasons and effectively caused me to be useless the following night
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How have you felt about her posts since then? The alley wagon bothered me a lot too, but then I got in my head about other last-second wagons this year that were all village.
it will help me sort out some other information.
Yeah, I'd like wait until we're down to one wolf.
this sounds like what cubs claims happens when you act on him
What leads you to believing this is redirection?
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The part at the end that mentions "the hero is dead, the task has become much harder but not insurmountable." Comparing it to the last game where there was a specific way to kill a beefed up wolf and when that person died it became more difficult.
Right. But that could just be flavor.
actually wait ignore this I think, the current discussion reminded me of something that helps resolve what I was confused about
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She said it somewhere earlier. I’m on my phone and can pull the quote when I’m on my computer, but IIRC, she would have acted on Sporty N1 (but canceled) and acted on cubs N2, then couldn’t act last night because of cubs’ passive ability damaging her.
It will help you do wolfy things and not help any of the rest of us
I'll get another tracker started once I submit a paper.
yeah i remembered this once cub's ability came back up
A machine attempted to act on me last night. Same bland wording as the first time. I doubt a villager machine would target me knowing that theyd lose their ability the next cycle, so im thinking there's definitely a machine wolf/wolves.
I guess somewhat better but the D2 vote on blobs doesn't help either. I guess i can see the case for wolf!Mels and her case on TME gives the context to the weirdness i saw with TME/genny interactions.
Because my night action involuntarily changed
Okay. Did it say who you were changed to?
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You’re assuming people know if they’re machines or not.
I just read that as flavor indicating the loss of a widely village-read villager with strong powers makes village weaker
Ok i think i'm just going to reveal at this point.
I'm the watcher. I was trying to look into Dina last night because i strongly suspected wolves are going to target her. And yet i was forced to look into cubs instead and got my night action disabled the next night.
Lawpy's current claims are VERY interesting to me in light of my own information I'm currently trying to reconcile
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Do you have any info from MsP's watching targets and if so, is any of it useful for village to know now that you've revealed?
Do you think that has to do with what Lawpy's claiming? He might also not be fully caught up and might not have caught what you said your ability was the other day
Is this shade, considering the term "nefarious" was used? Also the phrasing from Lawpys results implies he was acted on directly, my abiity is passive.
Okay, that's yikes. And I'm putting you on the village side of neutral now. So many others could have been redirected.
That was a self prez vote
Well then it definitely sounds like a wolfy redirector now that we've seen lawpys claim.
i was not attempting to shade you, i was trying to figure out why lawpy seemed to be implying your claimed ability was an active one, but he's explained more now
Did it sound like "nefarious" referred to the redirection rather than Cubs?
Nefarious is the term i used to describe redirection. cubs ability sounded passive to me
But if you believe my claim, would you still risk doing it, if theres a chance you are?
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My point is that there’s no flavor in role PMs for people to make that judgment. But it doesn’t matter in this case since it wasn’t Lawpy’s choice to act on you.
Regardless, if Lawpy's telling the truth then he was redirected and didn't intend to act on you anyway
Glad I refreshed cause I was in the midst of typing this as well lol.
alrighty, since we're doing big claims this morning and I am quite confused by what's going on and whether it's all big coincidence or more nefarious, I'm gonna go ahead and put this out there. Usually I try to hold role claims until later in the cycle but given that I know my claim is about to sound SUPER sketch given MsLawPy's claim and I'm already on the board, and also might be less able to camp the thread today, I'm gonna go ahead and put this out and see what happens.
I'm the village tracker, and untraceable while stalking my target. my targets and results have been:
N1: track genny - night canceled.
N2: track April - she visited cray. I hinted to Sporty in our PM that I would be doing something to investigate April that night. This is why I was asking a bunch of questions about April and Cray's opinions on each other on thread - I figured that this was unlikely a w/w interaction, but neither of them gave me anything that helped me sort out confidently whether it was w/v or v/v.
N3: track MsLawPy - redirected to Cray, who didn't go anywhere.
I picked MsLawPy because I knew I wasn't a wolf, and with Mel being the other big concern on the board, I figured he would be a likely night target for other people, maybe even blocked. I forgot that Cray wouldn't be able to block last night. I also figured that the wolves might think this as well and choose someone else to do the factional kill. I didn't like that everyone has just been floating MsP and now Lawpy along, and I wanted to try to get more information.
This is why I asked about cray's targets, before I remembered that she couldn't use her power last night.
An additional result I got last night was that someone attempted "listen in" on me, but I was too quiet for them to hear. I'm guessing this was Dina, especially since she seems to have been listening to shorty sussing me overnight in PMs.
tl;dr, either there's two redirectors, it's a more complicated ability than simple redirection, or someone's telling lies
I'm the village tracker, and untraceable while stalking my target. my targets and results have been:
N1: track genny - night canceled.
N2: track April - she visited cray. I hinted to Sporty in our PM that I would be doing something to investigate April that night. This is why I was asking a bunch of questions about April and Cray's opinions on each other on thread - I figured that this was unlikely a w/w interaction, but neither of them gave me anything that helped me sort out confidently whether it was w/v or v/v.
N3: track MsLawPy - redirected to Cray, who didn't go anywhere.
I picked MsLawPy because I knew I wasn't a wolf, and with Mel being the other big concern on the board, I figured he would be a likely night target for other people, maybe even blocked. I forgot that Cray wouldn't be able to block last night. I also figured that the wolves might think this as well and choose someone else to do the factional kill. I didn't like that everyone has just been floating MsP and now Lawpy along, and I wanted to try to get more information.
This is why I asked about cray's targets, before I remembered that she couldn't use her power last night.
An additional result I got last night was that someone attempted "listen in" on me, but I was too quiet for them to hear. I'm guessing this was Dina, especially since she seems to have been listening to shorty sussing me overnight in PMs.
tl;dr, either there's two redirectors, it's a more complicated ability than simple redirection, or someone's telling lies
Could you explain the N3? Who didn't go anywhere? Lawpy or Cray?
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Cray. I attempted to track lawpy but found myself tracking Cray instead.
I will say the redirect to Cray seems more village-aligned because that actually matches what we were discussing yesterday.
So are we now saying there were TWO redirections last night?
I actually agree that whoever redirected me, if it was a simple redirection targeted at me, was probably village. what concerns me is either there's wolf and villager with matching actions or there's something more complicated going on here
I'm going to assume wolf and villager until proven otherwise.
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