WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[Lawpy]

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Last time I tr seven and others didn't

Was this in SF3?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Last time I tr seven and others didn't

What was their aff?

 

[Clem J]

What was their aff?

Their what

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Their what

Affiliation. Town or mafia?

 

[genny]

is it currently tied?

 

[Lawpy]

is it currently tied?

Unclear

 

[WildZoo]

is it currently tied?

Yes. Many people with 2 votes. Tally incoming.

 

[genny]

Unclear

well this was helpful

 

[Clem J]

Affiliation. Town or mafia?

Oh, never seen that abbreviation before. Town, we both were

 

[Lawpy]

Yes looks like a four way

No pls ty

 

[mkg323]

Definitely

Ok but actually what does LHF mean in this context

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenge (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

IT'S A FOUR WAY TIE!
10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~2 hours)

 

[Truenamer]

@Truenamer Are you caught up?

Not yet, I'll post what I have so far. Sorry about today, 5K zonked me and I just haven't had the will to read the thread properly.

CATCH UP PART 1

Okay but seriously what are YOU doing to change that?

and again and more importantly, WHY DO YOU NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH CLEM SHEEPING YOU AND PROVIDING LITERALLY NOTHING OF VALUE?

I've tried to have discussions with multiple people but your endless non sense tunnel has dominated the thread. Maybe I should just shut the F up and sheep you like clem instead of actually trying to solve the game

This anger feels... like a Village Zenge who doesn't want to be D1 misyeeted again. Not going to lock in that read but it feels correct.

Neutral currently. Haven't seen enough to lean him any which way. The comment about me having a crisis of faith about him felt somewhat pockety but maybe he's always going to look fuzzy after *that*

I think this is extremely fair given how little I've posted this D1.

mkg

I think all of these are towny. The middle one especially reads pure. Just pure all around.

justafluff

All of this feels like fake wolf content. The questions read more as busy work than inquiries that will help them solve or move the game forward.

Nate
Nothing of note.

Santy
I'm going to skip for now because from the posts that I've seen, he's kind of obvtown. He's expressed thoughts a couple of times that come straight out of my mind. Like-minds etc. I'll circle back around to an iso tomorrow.

Focusing on the Nate and Santy reads. I agree with the later Zenge post that the Nate read makes me narrow my eyes at Nate a bit.

The Santy read, I dislike. Maybe some of y'all have magical Santy-reading goggles, but from the performance I saw from him last game calling him "obvtown" at any point (but especially this early on) is dangerous to the point of being malpractice.

Are your bones rattled? 😱

My skeleton is both spooky and scary, but I dislike this response from AM. Which means... probably nothing, she's always snarky like this.

I'm sure I will at some point, but this is not that point

Don't love this but I get that Nanook is not very familiar with most of us. Still, you're not a green baby noob, you're good at this, and we're getting close to the end of the cycle. Hope there's been more from him since this.

@Animal Midwife Can you explain your SR of fluff some? I feel like her playstyle focuses a lot on emotions (not a bad thing!) and comes off as wolfy even when she isn't. Grappling with whether she's actually wolfy here or fluff-wolfy.

Grappling with the same thing. I hope she doesn't have to be a wolf during her first game back in a while.

 

[mkg323]

Yes looks like a four way

No pls ty

 

[Truenamer]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenge (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

IT'S A FOUR WAY TIE!
10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~2 hours)

Oh good lord

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Ok but actually what does LHF mean in this context

Low-hanging fruit. As in, someone easily pushed for a misyeet.

 

[Lawpy]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenges (1) - Clem
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (3) - Khepri, AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~3.5 hours)

Unvote: Fluff
Vote: Zenge

I think Fluff's responses have been good. Something that occurred to me when I was reading yesterday is that Zenge and True may be paired. I will have to review later.

Four way tie

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenges (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

10/12
It's a four-way
Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~2 hours)

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yes looks like a four way

No pls ty

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hear me out. Yeet AM?

Big words for someone that's not even voting.

 

[Lawpy]

Oof ninjad

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmm. Gonna take a peeky peek at Nate's posts again.

 

[genny]

No. I think she’s wrong about fluff. I don’t think she’s wolfing.

why do you think AM is wrong about fluff?

 

[WildZoo]

Wow, all that hard work making tallies and I get a sad react for it? Rude.

 

[mkg323]

Big words for someone that's not even voting.

Yeet is 4 letters, but if that’s a big word in your vernacular ok

 

[Lawpy]

Yeet Fluff

Let's see where this goes.

This bothers me when looking at it again

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenge (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

IT'S A FOUR WAY TIE!
10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~2 hours)

Oh I see. Gotta ninja me even when I'm modding and said I was working on a tally.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

 

[Lawpy]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenges (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

10/12
It's a four-way
Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~2 hours)

@Truenamer why are you still voting Santy?

 

[Truenamer]

@Truenamer why are you still voting Santy?

Haven't caught up yet, not gonna toss something out until I have. I still have time.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Oh I see. Gotta ninja me even when I'm modding and said I was working on a tally.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

I'M SORRY I DID MY TALLY BEFORE I SAW YOU WERE HERE

 

[Truenamer]

@Truenamer why are you still voting Santy?

Also, let me ask you: why do you think Santy isn't a good place to vote?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Haven't caught up yet, not gonna toss something out until I have. I still have time.

Okay Mr. Incredible

 

[Truenamer]

Okay Mr. Incredible

Referencing the Incredibles? Lock village

 

[Lawpy]

Haven't caught up yet, not gonna toss something out until I have. I still have time.

Hmm ok because your pop ins are giving the impression you’re caught up

Also, let me ask you: why do you think Santy isn't a good place to vote?

Because of his attempts to solve the game

 

[Truenamer]

Hmm ok because your pop ins are giving the impression you’re caught up


Because of his attempts to solve the game

Got page 7 open in one tab and page 11 open in the other

I'm literally procrastinating on WW with WW

 

[Santygrass]

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Spoiler: Nate ISO

I felt like there was something bothering me about Nate's posting but couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think I figured it out with the ISO though.

Good evening

Opening post. Obviously NAI. I wonder if it's a reference to that Vine.

Santy: Gonna take a more laid back approach this time.
Also Santy: We should kill Zenge immediately and with extreme prejudice.

Just a jokey perspective on early thread

Almost done with work, what's the haps?

A little bit of a weird question imo. Feels like a mix of a wolfy pop-in and "hello fellow kids".

Mmk. Any particular reason for Khepri?

Moderate defense (perhaps?) of Khepri.

Spoiler

Lol this just made me laugh again.

Think I'm okay with the main wagons being Zenge/Fluff/Clem at this point, I don't have a strong town read on any of them. (Clem's play I think is not AI though I understand it being sorted into the "not pro-town" bucket. I don't read him as wolfy but I think pressure there is fine)

This still feels like such a strange post. "Clem's play is NAI and I don't personally think he's wolfy but if y'all wanna yeet it's whatevs."

Yeah I think it's the vote that's been the most "static" (I say as someone who hasn't voted yet). And it seems like Santy's push on Zenge has given enough to be readable one way or the other (at least for a day one opinion). I have thoughts on Santy but I want to hear what True's read is first.

I'm still really curious to see what your thoughts on Santy are. And I'm not clear why you're waiting for True first.

Yeet Fluff

Let's see where this goes.

Hopping on the Fluff wagon when she started getting sus.

Is that how you read it?

It's not a strong enough defense of Zenge to read as pockety, to me. Like it's more of a "Zenge seems normal" read than "Zenge seems town".

Slight "reverse! reverse!"

You don't fully agree with AM's Fluff push. Do you think Fluff is town?

Question

You're not caught up but you saw the "slip"?

Question

Talk about this.

Basically a question

Here's the thing with Nate so far. It feels like he's asking other people's opinions/probing for reads without offering many of his own, and that makes it seem somewhat like he's fishing for the easiest place to put pressure. It feels wolfy. I'm still moderately irked with Clem thus far but being that Nate feels more overtly wolfy...
Unyeet Clem
Yeet Nate

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@Santygrass Man, I'm at a loss as to what your animal is. Are you a giraffe? A rhino? Maybe a banana? Gosh, I can't say.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Lol I just sang "flashwagon" in my head to the tune of "Hot Pockets"

 

[Truenamer]

CATCH-UP FROM PAGE 7

I didn't see anything to exclude the possibility, though I didn't see anything necessarily partner indicative either. That being said, I change my mind after thinking through Santy's case some more and the response to my reads. I think Santy is probably correct and you're a hit, and that PSV is probably town. Your response to my vote feels panicky and deflecty (e.g. focusing on the fluff/PSV as a team rather than the individual reads, and the push toward Nate). PSV's response seems relaxed, however.


Nate is certainly a possibility but I would go fluff > you first.


I'm not scumreading you because you are defending Zenge. In fact, I didn't mention that at all. I think the questions you've asked aren't questions that come from a solving mindset, but rather a looking-like-im-solving mindset. Your focus was also on whether or not genny/mkg were joke voting for too long. Lastly, it was strange that you discounted the votes on Zenge as people not being familiar with Zenge when they were in fact from people familiar with Zenge.

Hm. I like Khepri's reasoning and the general progression of thoughts. There are some inconsistencies in who they say they're wolfreading the most, but I actually think it's easier to keep a clear "who's wolfy" list in your head when you're scum and making it all up.

So at this point your only reads are: VRing Santy and by extension SRing Zenge?
Have you considered:
a) Santy might not be town,
b) Santy might be town but be tunneling a villager?

Like... Zenge could be a wolf, but at best I feel like this would fall into "right wolf wrong reason"?

I agree that while I understand being checked out on D1 (since I literally was), this is not great. No one's village read on Santy of all people should be strong enough on D1 to just hand him your vote and say "have fun".

Morning, I'm giving the thread a re-read.

@Truenamer - Why's your vote still on Santy?

I was waiting to see if you were interested to True's vote.

Why?

Because it came as early as my first vote.

Yeah I think it's the vote that's been the most "static" (I say as someone who hasn't voted yet). And it seems like Santy's push on Zenge has given enough to be readable one way or the other (at least for a day one opinion). I have thoughts on Santy but I want to hear what True's read is first.

Glad that my earlier response to all this got quoted. To reiterate here, it was one part salt, one part wanting to put a bit of focus on a very strong player early on.

Yeah I'm asking why he's still there and what his current thoughts are. Voting there initially seemed pretty obviously like a salt vote for getting wolfed last game.

And the reason to this is equally simple: I feel behind on thread and don't feel comfortable blind voting when I don't know the state of things.

Clem: I’m not going to bother to do any actual game solving. Just going to sheep Santy and give BS answers to questions.

Lawpy: Okay, but how are you reading Khepri?

Spoiler

You try and tell me this man is a wolf, I dare you, I double dog dare you

I find it discomforting that PSV brought up meta showing Clem's posting style is NAI yet voted there anyway.

Another village point for Khepri, I like the active and attentive gamesolving. Don't think this is necessary a wolf point for PSV but it's good to have it highlighted.

 

[Santygrass]

I feel good about PSV and Lawpy being Village.

And comparing to last game , I feel like Nate has made more villagery posts tbh, so I am leaning village there too. Psv just said that they are like asking question to see where to follow, but I felt they felt with more *intent* to figure out stuff, they voted a little more freely compared with last game and all. Like, PSV dont you agree that the reasons you are saying rn apply to Nate last game too?


Clem not moving to Kephri also should be alignment indicative weh. Still undecided if Zenge/Kephri are both Villa, gut says no, but also that a misyeeting one of them to flip Villa is kinda bad. And dont want to just be 'lol my reads are better you tr on Zenge mean nothing to me'

Fluff post regarding their gameview also felt villagery. So should re-eval maybe.

Summarized:

Village: Santy-PSV-Lawpy
VillaLean: Nate
Munching: Everyone else
Hmmm Tier: Zenge / Kephri

 

[mkg323]

Spoiler: Nate ISO

I felt like there was something bothering me about Nate's posting but couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think I figured it out with the ISO though.

Opening post. Obviously NAI. I wonder if it's a reference to that Vine.

Just a jokey perspective on early thread

A little bit of a weird question imo. Feels like a mix of a wolfy pop-in and "hello fellow kids".

Moderate defense (perhaps?) of Khepri.

Lol this just made me laugh again.

This still feels like such a strange post. "Clem's play is NAI and I don't personally think he's wolfy but if y'all wanna yeet it's whatevs."

I'm still really curious to see what your thoughts on Santy are. And I'm not clear why you're waiting for True first.

Hopping on the Fluff wagon when she started getting sus.

Slight "reverse! reverse!"

Question

Question

Basically a question

Here's the thing with Nate so far. It feels like he's asking other people's opinions/probing for reads without offering many of his own, and that makes it seem somewhat like he's fishing for the easiest place to put pressure. It feels wolfy. I'm still moderately irked with Clem thus far but being that Nate feels more overtly wolfy...
Unyeet Clem
Yeet Nate

OMG are we mind melding rn? I’m between Nate and Santa though tbh

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenges (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem (1) - Zenges
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV

10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~1.5 hours)

 

[potentialsheltervet]

And comparing to last game , I feel like Nate has made more villagery posts tbh, so I am leaning village there too. Psv just said that they are like asking question to see where to follow, but I felt they felt with more *intent* to figure out stuff, they voted a little more freely compared with last game and all. Like, PSV dont you agree that the reasons you are saying rn apply to Nate last game too?

I don't remember it being as prominent last game but I'll double check.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Santa

 

[Santygrass]

I don't remember it being as prominent last game but I'll double check.

Maybe its because I was a wolf, but their D1 was super like, lacking? And seemed like such an easy push tbh

 

[NateTheLesser]

I don't read it one way or the other. It's just that you left the possibility of t!Zenge and w!Fluff out. Is there any particular reason why it has to be either w/w or t!Fluff only?

For the reasoning I said in what you quoted, it didn't seem (to me) like how I would expect a w!Fluff to comment on a t!Zenge wagon. Saying they didn't like the wagon and following that up with basically a neutral Zenge read doesn't really buy them anything.

 

[Truenamer]

I feel good about PSV and Lawpy being Village.

And comparing to last game , I feel like Nate has made more villagery posts tbh, so I am leaning village there too. Psv just said that they are like asking question to see where to follow, but I felt they felt with more *intent* to figure out stuff, they voted a little more freely compared with last game and all. Like, PSV dont you agree that the reasons you are saying rn apply to Nate last game too?


Clem not moving to Kephri also should be alignment indicative weh. Still undecided if Zenge/Kephri are both Villa, gut says no, but also that a misyeeting one of them to flip Villa is kinda bad. And dont want to just be 'lol my reads are better you tr on Zenge mean nothing to me'

Fluff post regarding their gameview also felt villagery. So should re-eval maybe.

Summarized:

Village: Santy-PSV-Lawpy
VillaLean: Nate
Munching: Everyone else
Hmmm Tier: Zenge / Kephri

Can you help me understand your current read on Clem? What does his not moving to Khepri indicate to you?

 

[mkg323]

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He’s sus AF and you can’t tell me otherwise!!!!!!

 

[Zenge142]

why do you think AM is wrong about fluff?

I just don't see a good case for it. All the arguments I've seen made are for things Village!Fluff could just as easily do/has done.

Also Fluff's general tone doesn't strike me as wolfy.