WW: -Omitted Topic-: Game Thread

[Stagg737]

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The votes on me began early today referencing my waffle last night which I had already explained (the most important thing to realize for this is I voted Stagg after he tied the lynch with only 2 minutes to go). Last night, after my explanation, Stagg made a post before he went to bed stating that he didn't like it, but was going to iso my other posts and wasn't going to go there yet.

So today, a few people voted for me first thing and referenced the same vote waffle. Later Stagg got on and voted me, referenced the waffle, without having iso'd my other posts as he said he wanted to. I pointed out this fact and questioned him about why he started the tie and immediately he switched off me to mpm. Then, switched back on later wanting to see if I'd make it a tie myself.

@Matthew9Thirtyfive , the other side:

I have not had time to iso Coffee. Sorry, but I have to actually work when I'm at the hospital and Coffee has quite a few posts. I initially voted Coffee when I was on page 20/21. When I was caught up and read everything about the blocking which has occurred, I switched to MPM. I did switch back to Coffee to see if she'd make a tie for self-prez (would have been much more accurate to test this near lynch close, but that's several hours away). I'm fine with Coffee or MPM getting lynched as they're my top 2 wolf picks atm.

 

[Stagg737]

@Coopah , like this if you are reading Coffee as wolf/sketchy. Do the emoji with heart eyes if you would vote for her today. Use the sad/mad face if neither.

Quoting this to give Coopah a voice. Coopah gave the love eyes emoji, so she'd vote for Coffee today.

 

[Stagg737]

@Coopah same thing for MPM. Like if you think they're sketchy/wolfy. Love if you'd consider a vote there. Frown/angry if neither.

@cubsrule4e , this is for you too (and you can respond the same to post 1197 regarding Coffee).

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

I wouldn't vote to lynch someone I thought was villager if I wasn't up as a lynch candidate. There were 31 people casting votes and I think 17 who could have broken the tie, so I'd let one of them do it. Especially with how many people were on and posting around lynch close. Plenty of people could have broken that tie, there was no reason it had to be you when you were village reading both of us.

Except it was day 1 and my reasons for village reading you were weak.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Unofficial Lynch Tally

koffee (5) - genny, AM, SAR, Stagg, M935
Stagg (3) - zigjaz, Coffee?, Pippy
miz (2) - lawpy, Barks
SAR (1) - grebes
genny (1) - Mel
Mel () -
mpm (5) - miz, emmy, MsP, mutts, Skim
Barks (1) - dolphin

18/29

Missing: capri, Jahboi, Paws, allie, mpm, Dina, jboo, PBC, SOV, kc, Trilt

Deadline 10pm est (~2 hours)

 

[Lawpy]

Unlynch mizzy
Lynch koffeebean?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Her behavior has been sketching me out. I’m comparing it to the last time she was a wolf and a villager, and this seems more like her wolf behavior. She’s giving stagg a lot of **** for a self-prez vote which is an extremely normal thing to do. Seems like she’s trying to throw a lot of shade.

For the millionth time. It was not self prez. It was murder suicide. If two people are tied, they both die.

Quoting this to give Coopah a voice. Coopah gave the love eyes emoji, so she'd vote for Coffee today.

Oh grow up. Have you ever considered she is not exemplary?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yeah sorry coff. That wasn’t convincing enough. Those actually weren’t the reasons for my vote for you anyway. I didn’t particularly think that was super sketchy. It was your honing in on stagg and you’re painting his self-prez vote as something wolfy when almost everyone does the same thing as village.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

For the millionth time. It was not self prez. It was murder suicide. If two people are tied, they both die.

Didn’t he vote to make a tie between two other people?

 

[Stagg737]

Except it was day 1 and my reasons for village reading you were weak.

You never said that. You said this:

It was close to lynch close, he had tied it, tie rules state both parties would die, I have more to go off of for zj being village than for stagg.

You were legit defending me yesterday including the post about when we modded together and being stressed out. You sound like you're back-tracking now.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Didn’t he vote to make a tie between two other people?

edit: misread.
tie rules state all parties would die. he voted to tie himself and ziggy

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

You never said that. You said this:



You were legit defending me yesterday including the post about when we modded together and being stressed out. You sound like you're back-tracking now.

That is half a dozen of one and six of another.
Just because I give you a break for being absent doesn't mean I'm saying "oh he's absent he can't be a wolf" it means I recognize it is legit and I'd like to see you actually post before I make a decision.

 

[Melchizedek]

Stagg is reading frustrated villager, and I don’t want Coffee lynched.

Carry on.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yes, tie rules state all parties would die.

Right so then it wasn’t murder suicide. Not hearing a convincing argument that it wasn’t self-prez.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Stagg is reading frustrated villager, and I don’t want Coffee lynched.

Carry on.

How do you feel about MPM?

 

[Stagg737]

Didn’t he vote to make a tie between two other people?

It tied up me and Zig. If I hadn't voted to tie us up, I would have been leading the lynch vote.

For the millionth time. It was not self prez. It was murder suicide. If two people are tied, they both die.


Oh grow up.

Why don't you want Coopah and Cubs to be able to have a voice? The only way we know they can communicate is through likes right now. And Coopah said she would vote for Coffee and Cubs finds her wolfy. Both of them said they don't find MPM sketchy. That's useful info.

And for the ten billionth time, it wasn't a freaking murder suicide it was my best chance of surviving at the time. And oh look, I survived (and so did you). If you can't get it through your skull why I voted for self-prez by now then it's not worth discussing this with you.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Right so then it wasn’t murder suicide. Not hearing a convincing argument that it wasn’t self-prez.

How does this not make sense to you? He tied it between me and him with two minutes to go. If it stayed like that, both me and stagg would've died. Murder. Suicide.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

It tied up me and Zig. If I hadn't voted to tie us up, I would have been leading the lynch vote

Oh got it. How is that not self prez?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

It tied up me and Zig. If I hadn't voted to tie us up, I would have been leading the lynch vote.



Why don't you want Coopah and Cubs to be able to have a voice? The only way we know they can communicate is through likes right now. And Coopah said she would vote for Coffee and Cubs finds her wolfy. Both of them said they don't find MPM sketchy. That's useful info.

And for the ten billionth time, it wasn't a freaking murder suicide it was my best chance of surviving at the time. And oh look, I survived (and so did you). If you can't get it through your skull why I voted for self-prez by now then it's not worth discussing this with you.

Might be useful in the future. Not useful now. Given the rules, they can't do any night actions and no one can act on them. They may have nefarious intent behind their likes and angry faces. I would rather focus on people actually posting in the game currently.

 

[Melchizedek]

How do you feel about MPM?

Fluctuating between mildly wolfy to mildly village. Wouldn’t mind seeing her flip, but I have no concrete reason to vote for her.

Currently traveling and trying to go back and read the people pushing Miz because I think that lynch is based around some faulty/wolfy logic

 

[Stagg737]

That is half a dozen of one and six of another.
Just because I give you a break for being absent doesn't mean I'm saying "oh he's absent he can't be a wolf" it means I recognize it is legit and I'd like to see you actually post before I make a decision.

Regardless, you were reading me villager-y. You felt strongly enough about it for one reason or another defend me. Now you're minimizing it. No me gusta, nada.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Oh got it. How is that not self prez?

preservation: to keep alive or in existence; make lasting
He still would have died. Not preservation.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

How does this not make sense to you? He tied it between me and him with two minutes to go. If it stayed like that, both me and stagg would've died. Murder. Suicide.

Yeah I got it now. Still not sure how that’s not self prez.

 

[Lawpy]

How does this not make sense to you? He tied it between me and him with two minutes to go. If it stayed like that, both me and stagg would've died. Murder. Suicide.

It's hard to assume that though since a lot of last minute vote switches were happening in the process.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

It's hard to assume that though since a lot of last minute vote switches were happening in the process.

No actually, they weren't. Go back and look. I quoted stagg in the last ten minutes. No one moved their vote until he did that.

 

[Melchizedek]

preservation: to keep alive or in existence; make lasting
He still would have died. Not preservation.

There were lots of waffles going on.
There could have been more people to waffle to you.
It was self-prez
Move on

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

preservation: to keep alive or in existence; make lasting
He still would have died. Not preservation.

I think you need to re-evaluate what you think you understand. If you are leading the vote, then your best play is to vote for the person who is closest to your tally. If that person is one vote behind, it will necessarily create a tie. You then have to try to convince one other person to go that way. It is basic logic. It does not necessarily prove anything nefarious, it’s basic survival.

Why is this so hard for you two to understand?

 

[Stagg737]

Might be useful in the future. Not useful now. Given the rules, they can't do any night actions and no one can act on them. They may have nefarious intent behind their likes and angry faces. I would rather focus on people actually posting in the game currently.

It's still info that can be useful, so worth it imo. Especially since I noticed Coopah liking some of my posts while arguing with Coffee. Now we know where her lynch vote would go.

preservation: to keep alive or in existence; make lasting
He still would have died. Not preservation.

Unless someone switched and voted somewhere else, which ***GASP!!!** actually happened...

Seriously, this is not rocket science. And anyone that says they would let themselves get lynched in that situation is full of crap.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

C? and zig are wolf AF to me right now for their refusal to let this go. Would vote for either.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

It has taken me all day to catch up on thread. I had been quoting posts as I went, but of course, they are all gone since it took me so long (I started on page 15 this morning). So, I was also attacked last night, though now I'm wondering if "attacked" always means attack with the intent to kill, or just a wolf/antagonist performing the action. I find it super sketch that mpm claims to be a blocker and yet hasn't been successful in blocking for 2 nights, so I'm inclined to vote there. Something mutts said also seemed sketchy, but I'm not even sure I can vote there yet (I haven't checked yet, but wanted to make a note).

Lynch mpm

For now.

So now 3 people are claiming they were attacked? With only 1 being successful against dubs? what is going on???

 

[Lawpy]

No actually, they weren't. Go back and look. I quoted stagg in the last ten minutes. No one moved their vote until he did that.

wait i thought we're talking about the tie between you and Stagg that happened 2 min before lynch close 😕

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

C? and zig are wolf AF to me right now for their refusal to let this go. Would vote for either.

Matty, how can I let it go when it is directly relevant to the fact that I'm tied for lynch right now?
Would you like to suggest something else to talk about?

 

[Stagg737]

wait i thought we're talking about the tie between you and Stagg that happened 2 min before lynch close 😕

We are. Votes were moving slightly before I made the tie, but the massive wafflefest started right around when I made the tie, which I admit put 2 people (1 I know is village, and one I think is village) at risk, but I didn't think the tie would last. SHOCKER!!!! It didn't.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I think we all need to agree to disagree here. We have an hour and a half to catch an antagonist.

let's try this on for size

unlynch stagg
Lynch AM

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think we all need to agree to disagree here. We have an hour and a half to catch an antagonist.

let's try this on for size

unlynch stagg
Lynch AM

You're fake.

 

[JustPaws]

I can't vote for you, so if I was leaning you wolfy based on your response, I'd need to re-evaluate players based on their interactions with you.

Seems like a lot of people are leaning on the "I can't vote there but they are most wolfy" crutch. aM did yesterday as well. I'm not liking it

 

[Stagg737]

Matty, how can I let it go when it is directly relevant to the fact that I'm tied for lynch right now?
Would you like to suggest something else to talk about?

How about why do you think MPM is a better lynch option than you? Who do you think we should be voting for and why? There's an hour and a half before lynch close and we've been arguing for over 2 hours. Is this really an argument you want to continue?

 

[PippyPony]

Matty, how can I let it go when it is directly relevant to the fact that I'm tied for lynch right now?
Would you like to suggest something else to talk about?

I think I may have been wrong about something a little while ago that made me bump you up to strong village for a bit, but I still have you at a village lean after today based on posts. If you are actually village, I might suggest moving to another tactic since it's clear this one is not working.

Aka, don't wait until 5 minutes before you are lynched to try to role reveal. There are too many people and you saw what a disaster last night was.

 

[Lawpy]

We are. Votes were moving slightly before I made the tie, but the massive wafflefest started right around when I made the tie, which I admit put 2 people (1 I know is village, and one I think is village) at risk, but I didn't think the tie would last. SHOCKER!!!! It didn't.

Ok thanks, that makes sense. My point was that the tie between you and zigjazzy can't be assumed to last that long given the last minute vote swaps that were going on, and from my interpretation, your vote was self-prez given the context, so it's weird to see the murder-suicide accusations being thrown around

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I think you need to re-evaluate what you think you understand. If you are leading the vote, then your best play is to vote for the person who is closest to your tally. If that person is one vote behind, it will necessarily create a tie. You then have to try to convince one other person to go that way. It is basic logic. It does not necessarily prove anything nefarious, it’s basic survival.

Why is this so hard for you two to understand?

He did it 2 minutes before Lynch close. He had more than ten minutes to do it.

 

[jaboo]

Lynch genny

Could back a SAR vote and to a much lesser extent a Jboo vote.

How flexible are you on this?

There were three last night.

There was?

FYI going to be MIA the rest of the night my flight leaving now.

Also, I do think something is up with Mpm with the whole blocking thing. So for now

###unlynch mel###
###lynch mpm###

I thought this was kinda a wispy washy vote.

Unlynch mizzy
Lynch koffeebean?

Lawp, your weird votes out of nowhere with no explanation are really freaking me out.

 

[Lawpy]

Tally?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Seems like a lot of people are leaning on the "I can't vote there but they are most wolfy" crutch. aM did yesterday as well. I'm not liking it

Since when did I do that?

 

[JustPaws]

However, after saying that, two players who cannot talk to us both hinted that they think you were fishy for some reason

Were the hints more than just likes? Cuz that is crazy talk.

 

[Lawpy]

Lawp, your weird votes out of nowhere with no explanation are really freaking me out.

I mentioned about my sketch feels for coffee? and Mizzy before and coffee?'s later posts look a lot worse to me.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

How about why do you think MPM is a better lynch option than you? Who do you think we should be voting for and why? There's an hour and a half before lynch close and we've been arguing for over 2 hours. Is this really an argument you want to continue?

I am not sure of mpm because barks pretty solidly vouched for her yesterday. I did think it was weird to hear she hasn't successfully blocked anyone but @Barkley13 didn't seem bothered by it. Barks was voted reverie so I don't know what that means for how trustworthy she is.

I also don't think the flame on her sounds like an attack, that sounded like an actual block.

 

[jaboo]

Not sure about a Coffee lynch. Could go for Lawp, mpm, or SAR.

 

[JustPaws]

Since when did I do that?

I'm on my phone so searching, esp you with a gazillion posts, is difficult, but didn't you say it was upsetting that you felt limited or something?

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

I mentioned about my sketch feels for coffee? and Mizzy before and coffee?'s later posts look a lot worse to me.

lawps, this is why you can never be pocketed by me per your request, as you don't allow it to happen.

it hurts me, truly

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Matty, how can I let it go when it is directly relevant to the fact that I'm tied for lynch right now?
Would you like to suggest something else to talk about?

Seems like a really flimsy thing to hang your hat on though. Obv you need to self prez but it doesn’t seem like you’ve got much and you’ve been focused on this thing for a while.