2008-2009 University of Michigan Secondary Application Thread

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First off, a huge congrats to those of you who got scholarships! Wow, that's amazing!

Here's my question: presumably, not everybody who got offered a merit scholarship is going to accept. Does anybody know if UMMS recycles the money and sends it back out, or, do they save that money for scholarships in future years?

Do any current students know anything about this? Are there "waves" ? For those of you who got scholarships, did they ask you to inform them before May 15th whether or not you'll be accepting it?

Yea, you have to tell them if you are accepting it by May 15. I'm sure the declined scholarships will be redistributed to other students.
 
I just saw the admissions video e mail. It was pretty awesome. Other medical schools should really take a look at everything Michigan does to recruit students and sell themselves. If I had to pick solely based upon a school's admissions office than Michigan would be heads and shoulders above every one else.
 
Hi! Has anyone tried to submit the UM financial aid application recently? When I press submit, it just clears the form and I can't tell if it went through or not. Has this happened to anyone else?
Also, I haven't heard anything grantwise yet. Could this have anything to do with my not submitting the finaid form, or do they just not love me enough?
 
Hi! Has anyone tried to submit the UM financial aid application recently? When I press submit, it just clears the form and I can't tell if it went through or not. Has this happened to anyone else?

This happened to me. I'm going to try giving them a call tomorrow to see if they received my form.
 
has anyone started looking into housing options? How do you go about finding a roommate if you don't feel like springing for a solo apartment? Has anyone looked at Phi Chi or Phi Rho (just trying to explore my options).
 
This happened to me. I'm going to try giving them a call tomorrow to see if they received my form.

The form worked for me today. Not sure what was going on before.

In regards to housing, I've been getting a lot of emails from medical students looking for roommates. I think they're just hitting everyone on the admitted list. Are you not getting them?
 
I've been getting them, it just seems sketch to me to accept a living invite from someone I have never met before...
 
Michigan Rocks,

I've got acceptances to Vandy, Duke, UCLA, Stanford--and I am scrapping all of them for Michigan. Am I crazy? Someone please slap some sense into me, because I am running for Ann Arbor.

Who's coming with me?
 
Michigan Rocks,

I've got acceptances to Vandy, Duke, UCLA, Stanford--and I am scrapping all of them for Michigan. Am I crazy? Someone please slap some sense into me, because I am running for Ann Arbor.

Who's coming with me?

Are you a Michigan Resident? I'm with you Michigan is awesome, the only thing that might keep me away is the cold (from California). If only the winters weren't so harsh it would be an easier decision. They definitely do the best job of selling themselves.
 
The information that was sent to my house state that scholarships would be sent out 3/31, but as we know from reading this page some were sent out earlier. Does anyone know if more are being given out? Or can we start making budget decisions based on what we have or have not be offered as of today? I hope this question makes sense, it has been a long day.
 
Are you a Michigan Resident? I'm with you Michigan is awesome, the only thing that might keep me away is the cold (from California). If only the winters weren't so harsh it would be an easier decision. They definitely do the best job of selling themselves.

Yeah they really do sell themselves well. I am actually living in Cali (for the past 7 years) and have no ties to Michigan. The giant bear in the room is definitely the frigid cold temps. I hear Ann Arbor is pretty sweet, though...
 
Has anyone heard anything about getting a host for second look weekend?
 
has anyone started looking into housing options? How do you go about finding a roommate if you don't feel like springing for a solo apartment? Has anyone looked at Phi Chi or Phi Rho (just trying to explore my options).
I stayed in the phi rho house the night before my interview. It's a pretty sweet setup actually. They have a chef that cooks all of the meals (I think you pay for some sort of food plan), and they have a maid that comes often. The rooms are on the small side... so if you are planning on doing a lot of studying in your room that might not be what you want. The house has other rooms to offer for studying though. It's about a 5 minute walk from the house to the school... and if you cut through buildings you can get there without getting wet (for the most part) if its raining. The people that were there when I stayed were great as well. And, its cheap!

I just pre-leased an apartment in Island Dr. Apartments with a buddy of mine though. They're pretty nice, close walk to school, utilities except electric included, and its a decent price for Ann Arbor. Look into it if your apartment searching.
 
just got my aid estimate...they aren't giving me a dime, so i'm probably going to withdraw. luck to yall on the waitlist.
 
I haven't heard about a host for second look either... anyone else?
 
Anyone go to Second Look? What'd you think?
 
I didn't go to second look because there weren't enough spaces available. Boo!

Has anyone received their financial package (not the merit scholarship stuff) yet? I've got a package from just about every school I've been accepted at except UofM...
 
I didn't go to second look because there weren't enough spaces available. Boo!

Has anyone received their financial package (not the merit scholarship stuff) yet? I've got a package from just about every school I've been accepted at except UofM...

They don't give out official financial aid packages until after you've sent in your deposit. If your application is complete, though, you can email the financial aid office to ask for an estimate.
 
They don't give out official financial aid packages until after you've sent in your deposit. If your application is complete, though, you can email the financial aid office to ask for an estimate.
I sent in my deposit a looooong time ago... It would probably be silly to ask for an estimate this close to when I'll get the actual package. I was just wondering if anyone else had NOT gotten their package and has deposited.
 
I just sent them an email requesting to withdraw.

And was immediately told that they would increase my scholarship to full-tuition (they had offered 30k/year previously)

I was all set on UCSF...

I'm from the SF Bay Area, and UCSF is the better fit for me. Friends and family are here. I actually already signed a lease with 3 other MS1's at UCSF. And I found a PI to do summer research with - we're working on the grant proposal for summer funding.

But Michigan suddenly became significantly less expensive.

Any advice? At this point, should I even consider the offer, or should I stick with my original plan?
 
I just sent them an email requesting to withdraw.

And was immediately told that they would increase my scholarship to full-tuition (they had offered 30k/year previously)

I was all set on UCSF...

I'm from the SF Bay Area, and UCSF is the better fit for me. Friends and family are here. I actually already signed a lease with 3 other MS1's at UCSF. And I found a PI to do summer research with - we're working on the grant proposal for summer funding.

But Michigan suddenly became significantly less expensive.

Any advice? At this point, should I even consider the offer, or should I stick with my original plan?
Wow! Congrats! As hard of a decision is that is at least you get to make a decision like that!!!

It sounds like your heart is already set... but you should consider what it is that you don't like about UofM. Is it just that it's far away? I think you'd get over that... especially for a full ride. Or is it something like you can't stand Michigan weather? Or perhaps there's something you're in love with at UCSF?

Also, how much is UCSF going to cost you? How much more expensive is it REALLY? And, canceling the lease would be a pain, but you would make new friends in MI, and you surely could easily get into research at UofM.

I can't really offer that great of advice because I've never been in your shoes, but I would say to turn Michigan down if you're going to absolutely hate it there. Saving tons of money wont make you happy if you hate where you are. That being said, if you were teetering on the fence before you made your pseudo-final decision on UCSF, you should probably reconsider. Student loans aren't fun...

Give us some more details about the other pros and cons of each for you, and maybe we could offer better advice!
 
Wow! Congrats! As hard of a decision is that is at least you get to make a decision like that!!!

It sounds like your heart is already set... but you should consider what it is that you don't like about UofM. Is it just that it's far away? I think you'd get over that... especially for a full ride. Or is it something like you can't stand Michigan weather? Or perhaps there's something you're in love with at UCSF?

Also, how much is UCSF going to cost you? How much more expensive is it REALLY? And, canceling the lease would be a pain, but you would make new friends in MI, and you surely could easily get into research at UofM.

I can't really offer that great of advice because I've never been in your shoes, but I would say to turn Michigan down if you're going to absolutely hate it there. Saving tons of money wont make you happy if you hate where you are. That being said, if you were teetering on the fence before you made your pseudo-final decision on UCSF, you should probably reconsider. Student loans aren't fun...

Give us some more details about the other pros and cons of each for you, and maybe we could offer better advice!

I wasn't really teetering before. I was still about 95% set on UCSF, with the other 5% reserved for Yale (students seemed super happy there, check out the east coast), UCLA (CA option that's slightly farther from home) and Michigan (least expensive)


Michigan is cold - I don't think I'd be as happy living somewhere *that* cold. I know I'll be indoors most of the time, but I'd still have to walk from my apartment to campus every day.

SF is chilly and rainy - I can handle chilly, the rain kinda sucks. I don't mind the fog at all. Ann Arbor is a cute town, but SF has more diverse things to do.

The weekly quizzes at Michigan would drive me nuts. UCSF has a test every 2-3 weeks, I believe. You can at least take a breather and cram later, or cram first and cruise a little later. I don't like having a weekly quiz constantly looming ahead.

At Michigan there are 6 people per group in anatomy,and each individual only goes to half the dissections. At UCSF there are 6 ppl per group in anatomy, anatomy lab is optional (so some other ppl might not even go!) and everybody gets to do all the dissections. Not a huge deal, I guess, but I'm interested in surgery and always looked forward to the rite-of-passage that is gross anatomy lab.

I get the impression that Michigan students work exclusively with standardized patients for the first 2 years. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

UCSF students seem to have more patient contact during the first two years. I know that doesn't even matter that much, but it's still appealing.

At UCSF, MS2 year ends in march, and you begin clerkships in April, I see that as a good thing. I heard UCSF doesn't prepare you very well for boards, but I also think I'm self-motivated enough to study on my own. I don't know what Michigan does for board prep.

UCSF has an optional "pathway to discovery" in medical education, which is something I'm considering. I don't know what Michigan has. I also don't know if it even matters.

I'm interested in going into academic surgery. If I were interested in global health, UCSF might be a more obvious choice.

I found a surgeon to work with this summer on surgical education research. I'm really looking forward to that and it would suck to back out of it.

I found a house 2 blocks away from UCSF's parnassus campus and my new house-mates are great. I'm really excited about moving in! While I'm sure I could find somebody to take the room, it'd REALLY suck to back out of that.

I went to 2nd look weekend at UCSF and loved it. Future classmates, current students, and faculty were all really awesome. I didn't get to go to Michigan's 2nd look weekend because I went to Yale's instead. So I don't feel that sentimental connection to Michigan.

😕
 
I wasn't really teetering before. I was still about 95% set on UCSF, with the other 5% reserved for Yale (students seemed super happy there, check out the east coast), UCLA (CA option that's slightly farther from home) and Michigan (least expensive)


Michigan is cold - I don't think I'd be as happy living somewhere *that* cold. I know I'll be indoors most of the time, but I'd still have to walk from my apartment to campus every day.

SF is chilly and rainy - I can handle chilly, the rain kinda sucks. I don't mind the fog at all. Ann Arbor is a cute town, but SF has more diverse things to do.

The weekly quizzes at Michigan would drive me nuts. UCSF has a test every 2-3 weeks, I believe. You can at least take a breather and cram later, or cram first and cruise a little later. I don't like having a weekly quiz constantly looming ahead.

At Michigan there are 6 people per group in anatomy,and each individual only goes to half the dissections. At UCSF there are 6 ppl per group in anatomy, anatomy lab is optional (so some other ppl might not even go!) and everybody gets to do all the dissections. Not a huge deal, I guess, but I'm interested in surgery and always looked forward to the rite-of-passage that is gross anatomy lab.

I get the impression that Michigan students work exclusively with standardized patients for the first 2 years. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

UCSF students seem to have more patient contact during the first two years. I know that doesn't even matter that much, but it's still appealing.

At UCSF, MS2 year ends in march, and you begin clerkships in April, I see that as a good thing. I heard UCSF doesn't prepare you very well for boards, but I also think I'm self-motivated enough to study on my own. I don't know what Michigan does for board prep.

UCSF has an optional "pathway to discovery" in medical education, which is something I'm considering. I don't know what Michigan has. I also don't know if it even matters.

I'm interested in going into academic surgery. If I were interested in global health, UCSF might be a more obvious choice.

I found a surgeon to work with this summer on surgical education research. I'm really looking forward to that and it would suck to back out of it.

I found a house 2 blocks away from UCSF's parnassus campus and my new house-mates are great. I'm really excited about moving in! While I'm sure I could find somebody to take the room, it'd REALLY suck to back out of that.

I went to 2nd look weekend at UCSF and loved it. Future classmates, current students, and faculty were all really awesome. I didn't get to go to Michigan's 2nd look weekend because I went to Yale's instead. So I don't feel that sentimental connection to Michigan.

😕

Saw this on SDN Live, couldn't help but come in and comment... it sounds like you know for sure you'll be happy at UCSF already. Why throw that away for monetary concerns ? Take that 95% and run with it. Just my unqualified 2c
 
I wasn't really teetering before. I was still about 95% set on UCSF, with the other 5% reserved for Yale (students seemed super happy there, check out the east coast), UCLA (CA option that's slightly farther from home) and Michigan (least expensive)


Michigan is cold - I don't think I'd be as happy living somewhere *that* cold. I know I'll be indoors most of the time, but I'd still have to walk from my apartment to campus every day.

SF is chilly and rainy - I can handle chilly, the rain kinda sucks. I don't mind the fog at all. Ann Arbor is a cute town, but SF has more diverse things to do.

The weekly quizzes at Michigan would drive me nuts. UCSF has a test every 2-3 weeks, I believe. You can at least take a breather and cram later, or cram first and cruise a little later. I don't like having a weekly quiz constantly looming ahead.

At Michigan there are 6 people per group in anatomy,and each individual only goes to half the dissections. At UCSF there are 6 ppl per group in anatomy, anatomy lab is optional (so some other ppl might not even go!) and everybody gets to do all the dissections. Not a huge deal, I guess, but I'm interested in surgery and always looked forward to the rite-of-passage that is gross anatomy lab.

I get the impression that Michigan students work exclusively with standardized patients for the first 2 years. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

UCSF students seem to have more patient contact during the first two years. I know that doesn't even matter that much, but it's still appealing.

At UCSF, MS2 year ends in march, and you begin clerkships in April, I see that as a good thing. I heard UCSF doesn't prepare you very well for boards, but I also think I'm self-motivated enough to study on my own. I don't know what Michigan does for board prep.

UCSF has an optional "pathway to discovery" in medical education, which is something I'm considering. I don't know what Michigan has. I also don't know if it even matters.

I'm interested in going into academic surgery. If I were interested in global health, UCSF might be a more obvious choice.

I found a surgeon to work with this summer on surgical education research. I'm really looking forward to that and it would suck to back out of it.

I found a house 2 blocks away from UCSF's parnassus campus and my new house-mates are great. I'm really excited about moving in! While I'm sure I could find somebody to take the room, it'd REALLY suck to back out of that.

I went to 2nd look weekend at UCSF and loved it. Future classmates, current students, and faculty were all really awesome. I didn't get to go to Michigan's 2nd look weekend because I went to Yale's instead. So I don't feel that sentimental connection to Michigan.

😕
Sounds like you already know what you've gotta do: UCSF! It just sucks that you'll have to throw a free-ride away (which I'm sure you already know 😛). It sounds like UCSF is totally the perfect fit for you though. Ditch the scholarship and stay where you'll be happiest. If you weren't so clear in your distinctions about MI vs. UCSF, I'd say think about it some more, but really, it sounds like MI isn't a good match for you at all. It wouldn't be worth it (well, maybe for some) to go there just because it's significantly cheaper.

Maybe post this in the general discussion for some more advice... many people might not see it in here.

Good luck to you!
 
Sounds like you already know what you've gotta do: UCSF! It just sucks that you'll have to throw a free-ride away (which I'm sure you already know 😛). It sounds like UCSF is totally the perfect fit for you though. Ditch the scholarship and stay where you'll be happiest. If you weren't so clear in your distinctions about MI vs. UCSF, I'd say think about it some more, but really, it sounds like MI isn't a good match for you at all. It wouldn't be worth it (well, maybe for some) to go there just because it's significantly cheaper.

Maybe post this in the general discussion for some more advice... many people might not see it in here.

Good luck to you!

Yeah, I always would've been 100% happy going to UCSF, but now the flip-side is that I'm throwing a lot of money away. I'm not worried about paying back my UCSF loans, but a "free" option is hard to toss away lightly.

At UCSF's 2nd look weekend somebody made a presentation about how to choose schools. He advised us not to pick based on finances alone, because while the loans look intimidating now, everybody pays them back. "Doctors make a lot of money. Have you ever met a doctor who was poor unless it was by choice? You'll earn a lot of money after you finish your training, and you'll pay back your loans."


All else being equal, I'd choose the less expensive option. But I guess all else is not equal. But I wonder if it's *really* not equal, or if I've just hyped up UCSF in my head. Then again, being excited about it in my head is still a legit reason to want to go there!

I dunno if I wanna post this in the general discussion forum and draw too much attention to it / drag out this decision. Maybe I should just withdraw [again] from Michigan and end this as painlessly as possible.

Man, I dunno. Today's been a weird day for me. I'm also a little under the weather, so that sucks 🙁
 
Yeah, I always would've been 100% happy going to UCSF, but now the flip-side is that I'm throwing a lot of money away. I'm not worried about paying back my UCSF loans, but a "free" option is hard to toss away lightly.

All else being equal, I'd choose the less expensive option. But I guess all else is not equal. But I wonder if it's *really* not equal, or if I've just hyped up UCSF in my head. Then again, being excited about it in my head is still a legit reason to want to go there!

Hey Shemarty,

I ended up making a really similar decision between a school near where I grew up (where I had the sentimental attachment, could go home for dinner, knew I loved the area etc) and a school that was a MUCH better financial deal in a city I didn't know (and is cold 😱). Like your two schools, it would be hard to make an "academic difference" argument.

I chose the cheaper deal. Once I started really being open to the cheaper school, I learned lots of little things about it that I liked as well, if not better, than the school in my home town. Academics don't make crazy money...have you tried one of those debt calculators yet? Even modest differences multiply.

I also think it's a stretch to say you know 100% that you will be happy at UCSF. You never know exactly what the future will entail. I do believe you make your experience wherever you go (and for the cadaver thing, my host at MI said she went to all of them).

I can imagine that it would be very stressful to get new info this late in the game. I had a few months to let the impact of the financial difference sink in. I recommend talking to your folks and taking a few more days to think about it. I also don't know your financial situation, but my parents aren't rich but have signif home equity that had an impact on fin aid - if I had gone to the more expensive school they would have had to re-mortgage their house, or I would have had to take it more loans. I felt that I had to REALLY REALLY like the more expensive school a lot better to ask this of them (they would totally do it since they're of the "education is everything" type), and it did not meet that bar.
 
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Sorry to double post - I just thought of another random thing (it's a slow day at work 😛). Shemarty, IIRC you mentioned wanting to live in the SF bay area long term. Housing prices here are CRAZY. If you want to own a house here before you are, I dunno, 60, I can't imagine anything better than graduating debt free. So giving up the bay for a few years might make it easier for you to live here long-term.

Because, no, doctors aren't poor, but plenty of young ones can't afford housing in the Bay Area. This was something I took into account too - looking at homes near where I grew up made me go 😱

Ok, now back to work...
 
Sorry to double post - I just thought of another random thing (it's a slow day at work 😛). Shemarty, IIRC you mentioned wanting to live in the SF bay area long term. Housing prices here are CRAZY. If you want to own a house here before you are, I dunno, 60, I can't imagine anything better than graduating debt free. So giving up the bay for a few years might make it easier for you to live here long-term.

Because, no, doctors aren't poor, but plenty of young ones can't afford housing in the Bay Area. This was something I took into account too - looking at homes near where I grew up made me go 😱

Ok, now back to work...

Wah.. that's true too...

I have some savings that I can use to pay for UCSF... but if I go to Michigan I can keep saving my savings and use it for a house later...

So I tried applying for the Soros Fellowship (pdsoros.org - check it out if you're a 1st generation american) last year and I didn't get an interview.
The award is for 16k towards tuition and 20k stipend per year for 2 years.
I'm going to try again this year and next. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll like me one of these times... that would pay for a good portion of UCSF...

:xf:
 
Wah.. that's true too...

I have some savings that I can use to pay for UCSF... but if I go to Michigan I can keep saving my savings and use it for a house later...

So I tried applying for the Soros Fellowship (pdsoros.org - check it out if you're a 1st generation american) last year and I didn't get an interview.
The award is for 16k towards tuition and 20k stipend per year for 2 years.
I'm going to try again this year and next. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll like me one of these times... that would pay for a good portion of UCSF...

:xf:

I just looked at this year's Soros fellows - what a group of ballers 😱 It seemed like they picked mainly people with some sort of community organizing/outreach focus and most of them were picked in their first year...so it seems like an unlikely thing to use in your projections, but would def be awesome to receive!🙂

CoA at UCSF is what, $50k a year? Shemarty, were you an investment banker in middle school? 😕 I have been out and working longer than you and my savings don't even begin to scratch at that kind of figure.

It seems like you really <3 UCSF but don't pretend this isn't a lot of money. I'm sure you will figure out the best solution in the end, after talking to the real people in your life who matter, not just the internet strangers.
 
I just looked at this year's Soros fellows - what a group of ballers 😱 It seemed like they picked mainly people with some sort of community organizing/outreach focus and most of them were picked in their first year...so it seems like an unlikely thing to use in your projections, but would def be awesome to receive!🙂

CoA at UCSF is what, $50k a year? Shemarty, were you an investment banker in middle school? 😕 I have been out and working longer than you and my savings don't even begin to scratch at that kind of figure.

It seems like you really <3 UCSF but don't pretend this isn't a lot of money. I'm sure you will figure out the best solution in the end, after talking to the real people in your life who matter, not just the internet strangers.


Rephrase - I have some money saved up that I can *contribute* towards paying for UCSF, but it doesn't cover all four years. I'd still have to take unsubsidized stafford loans.

Yea, I talked to a lot of people today. I'm trying to hear some different perspectives, including those from random internet strangers.

And yea... a group of ballers indeed... Stanford encourages ppl to apply for it, so I figure I'd give it a shot. I've been fairly involved, but maybe not as involved as the Soros fellows have been. The best I can do is try again next year and the year after that.
 
Maybe I should just withdraw [again] from Michigan and end this as painlessly as possible.

I'd encourage you to let the decision sink in before withdrawing (ok, again) quickly. You're certainly all hyped up about UCSF, but it would be interesting if you noticed yourself being less hyped about it as the days go on with this MI scholarship in the background. Give it some time to marinate 🙂.

Rephrase - I have some money saved up that I can *contribute* towards paying for UCSF, but it doesn't cover all four years. I'd still have to take unsubsidized stafford loans.

Yea, I talked to a lot of people today. I'm trying to hear some different perspectives, including those from random internet strangers.

And yea... a group of ballers indeed... Stanford encourages ppl to apply for it, so I figure I'd give it a shot. I've been fairly involved, but maybe not as involved as the Soros fellows have been. The best I can do is try again next year and the year after that.
Whereas it's a great idea to apply for these scholarships, don't make the mistake of planning on getting them. I don't think you are PLANNING for sure on getting them, but be careful not to use the prospect of getting a scholarship and putting it towards UCSF as a means to justify turning the MI one down... just a thought.

As stressed out as you probably are about this decision, remember that its a win-win situation! You're either going to UCSF (!) or UofM on a free ride!!! Man... you got problems 😛
 
I'd encourage you to let the decision sink in before withdrawing (ok, again) quickly. You're certainly all hyped up about UCSF, but it would be interesting if you noticed yourself being less hyped about it as the days go on with this MI scholarship in the background. Give it some time to marinate 🙂.


Whereas it's a great idea to apply for these scholarships, don't make the mistake of planning on getting them. I don't think you are PLANNING for sure on getting them, but be careful not to use the prospect of getting a scholarship and putting it towards UCSF as a means to justify turning the MI one down... just a thought.

As stressed out as you probably are about this decision, remember that its a win-win situation! You're either going to UCSF (!) or UofM on a free ride!!! Man... you got problems 😛

Lol, yea I know, I know.

I was originally not going to post on SDN at all because I really didn't want to draw any attention to this, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to hear what people had to say.

I definitely didn't want anybody to think that I was complaining about having a really good problem, haha.

Yea, I know nobody can count on getting a scholarship. The only reason I'm even thinking about that is because I know a med student at Stanford who was choosing between Stanford and a full-ride somewhere else. He picked Stanford, then he got Soros the next year. :luck:
 
i withdrew



*phew*



big breath.
You at least told them to simply give your scholarship over to me, right??? 😉 --- I wish.

Hope you feel better. Sounds like you made the right decision, and knew it all along. Good luck over in Cali!
 
Definitely not an easy choice...

Nice to see in the struggle between passion and logic that passion scores a rare sdn victory.

Really, UM dropped the ball since you'd already walked from $120K. Did they think you could be bought for another $59K? Now had they wiggled some season tickets your way I suspect the outcome might have been different.
 
I was middle-tier waitlisted a while ago...and I just got a call yesterday that not only am I now accepted, but they're offering me a full tuition scholarship. Just letting everyone know, if you're interested in Michigan, don't lose hope, as apparently even if you're not on the upper-tier waitlist you can get in, and get a ton of money too.

Now comes the hard part of deciding between Dartmouth and Michigan, specially since I was already all pumped about Dartmouth...
 
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