2009-2010 University of California - San Diego (UCSD) Application Thread

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A current first year sent me this email this morning. I assume it went to all newly admitted students. (I posted it exactly as it was sent to me, but I did take out student's names/email addresses to respect their privacy.) Wow, I am so excited to be going here!! 😍


Congratulations on your acceptance to the UCSD School of Medicine! My name is _____, and I am the Incoming Student Representative for the first year class. I know you've worked extremely hard to be where you are now. This marks the beginning of a very exciting year!

Now that you have been accepted, choosing a medical school can a daunting task. I truly love it here at UCSD for many, many reasons, and I could not be happier with my decision to come here. My job is to answer any questions about UCSD, living in La Jolla, adjusting to medical school etc, so that you can make the decision that's best for you.

Please feel free to ask me about anything you would like. If I do not know the answer to your question, I will pass it on to someone who can better answer it. I want to make sure you're aware of all the pros (of which there are many) and cons (of which there are few) of UCSD so that you can find that perfect fit.

Here's a table of contents of what's in this letter. There will be a lot of content (there's a whole lot to say!), but I hope this will be a good reference for you as you make your decision.

1. The curriculum
2. Incredible academic support!
3. Electives, extracurriculars, and research
4. The indescribable awesomeness of our classmates
5. The super supportive administration
6. Life in gorgeous, interesting San Diego
7. Housing

Okay, here goes!

----- 1. The curriculum -----
a. LECTURE: As you've heard, your curriculum will NOT be lecture-based as ours was. It's understandable that you may be apprehensive about the new curriculum, but remember that medical schools have to teach the same information no matter what – what we're doing is more of a reorganization. You'll likely have many of the same lecturers that we did, and they will provide lecture slides or even a written "syllabus", which is like a mini-textbook on their topic. And hey – you don't even have to go because 1) all slides are posted online, 2) most lectures are podcasted, and, best of all, 3) a classmate is assigned (and paid!) to take notes in each lecture, so you won't miss the tasty tidbits that the prof says. People actually submit their notes after the first day of the class' lecture and the best one is chosen, so you know you're getting high quality study materials. Some people go to all lectures, some people go to none, and most people are somewhere in between. We love this because you can balance your schedule the way that makes you happiest and healthiest. You can skip lecture to sleep in, study for something else, or to go surfing! Without this flexibility and academic support, the student body wouldn't be as happy and balanced as we are.

b. SMALL GROUPS: The new curriculum will be amplifying a portion of the old curriculum by increasing small-group time. Problem-based learning (PBL) has always been a part of our curriculum. Currently, nearly every class has some small-group component. We've had small group sessions discussing respiratory function of patients at high altitude for Organ Physiology, calculating proper drug doses for Pharmacology, and patient interviewing for our doctoring class, just to name a few. For me, small groups have been SUPER helpful to reinforce the information we get in lecture. As physicians, we will always be working in "small groups", teaching our colleagues and learning from one another. The new curriculum will be a great way to foster this type of environment.

c. GRADING: Starting next year, your class will be completely pass/fail for the first two years, and there are honors possible during your clinical rotations. As far as I know, ever school has honors during the clinical rotations, as these are important for distinguishing candidates in the residency application process. And don't worry about demonstrating your excellence to residency directors in the absence of preclinical honors; according to our professors, residents, and the AAMC, clinical honors (NOT preclinical honors) are very important for residency placement.


----- 2. Incredible academic support! -----
The academic support at UCSD is incredible! UCSD is the only med school in the country with a dedicated professional tutorial office called OESS (Office for Educational Support and Services). There are several tutors with advanced science degrees whose job it is to know our lecture material, hold office hours and review sessions, and provide study materials. They are truly an amazing resource! The nice thing about medical school at UCSD is that unlike your undergraduate experience, you are no longer proving yourself here. We already know you are smart! Those that go to the OESS are not thought of as any less bright than those that don't go. On the contrary, those that go to OESS are the students who end up rocking the test!
Additionally, professors and fellow classmates are great resources. When I came to UCSD, I was truly amazing by how collaborative the students are. The mentality is that we want to succeed as a class. Because of the way our grading system is set up, no one has to fail. If the whole class scores above a 70%, then we all passed! I spend very little time studying by myself, and am often in the library's group study rooms going over lectures or doing practice problems with classmates. We also have a forum where students post questions on lecture material, and other students, professors or OESS respond. It is an amazing resource! One of my classmates wrote over one hundred practice problems for a recent test, and posted it online for others to use. People also post charts, mnemonics, outside resources, etc. The tutorial office, in addition to the podcasting and note taking services, shows us that the school truly wants us to succeed.

There is a myth that circulated during MY application cycle that UCSD is full of competitive, unhappy gunners. This is absolutely untrue, for the reasons I have described above. I WILL say that this sentiment used to be true; however, our new administration (Dean Kelly et. al.) has done a spectacular job of choosing great students and creating specific programs and a general atmosphere that is very warm and welcoming. We work together to understand the challenging material. The collaborative environment is one of the things I love most about UCSD SOM.



----- 3. Electives, extracurriculars, and research -----
a. ELECTIVES: UCSD offers a broad range of interesting electives every quarter. I am currently taking Medical Spanish, and learning how to teach a diabetic patient to how to measure blood sugar completely in Spanish. I am also taking the free clinic class. This brings me to another amazing thing about UCSD, the Student Run Free Clinics! There are three clinic sites, Pacific Beach, Downtown, and Baker. Each clinic serves a unique patient population with particular challenges. In addition to providing primary care, there are also specialty clinics for Cardiology, Neurology, Dermatology, Orthopedics, Women's Health and many more! In addition, we also offer acupuncture and dental care. These clinics are a great way to practice the skills of interviewing and physical examination that you learn in class. For me, it has been a great way to remind myself each week of why I am in medical school! Other electives include preceptorships in various specialties, International Health, Politics of Medicine, Nutrition, and more… There's another neat one in which you get assigned to a pregnant woman, go to all her appointments, and get to see the birth. This is an awesome way to tailor your curriculum to YOU!

b. EXTRACURRICULARS: The medical students are active in extracurricular activities on and off campus! There are many student interest groups that you can be can interact with formally or informally. For example, the various interest groups invite physicians in the field to speak about their experiences, usually during our lunch breaks (lunch provided!). Many students are involved in sports activities. For example, a group of students meets every Friday to play pick-up soccer. Many students also play Intramural sports such as basketball. There are also awesome classes offered through the UCSD Recreation Department. I have always wanted to learn to surf, so this fall I posted on our student forum about taking a surf class. A bunch of my class mates signed up as well, so all of Fall quarter I learned to surf with 12 of my classmates (that's 10% of the class!!) Some of my classmates have taken dance classes, tennis classes etc. Pretty much if there is something you want to be involved in, you will find it here at UCSD. And if not, you can start your own club or interest group! It is important to

c. RESEARCH: Research at UCSD is amazingly easy to get involved in, and extremely well-supported. So many grants are available from the NIH that most people able to get one. When (x student), the second year Incoming Student Representative was searching for a lab last year, the first doctor she emailed replied eagerly, offered her a first-authorship, and told her not to worry about funding! You should feel free to email her to find out more about her research experience (email address was inserted here). Now, you don't have to do research by any means – you may have heard about our required Independent Study Project (to be completed by graduation), but this doesn't have to be basic science research. It could be creating a healthy eating curriculum for local kids, writing poetry about medicine, or doing a clinical study on diabetic patients. It's whatever you make it out to be, and it can be a great asset for residency applications. We even get time off in fourth year to finish the project.

----- 4. The indescribable awesomeness of my classmates -----
In my opinion, this is the MOST important reason to choose to come to UCSD. My classmates (yes, both the first and second years) are so friendly, supportive, interesting, inclusive, and intelligent. They are some of the most amazing people I have ever met. Although I am not friends with every single person in the class, I can honestly say that I can pick out something awesome about every single one of my peers. The vast majority of social activities are open to everyone: happy hour, birthday parties, camping trips etc. Just this past weekend, people posted on the forum about going to restaurant week (great time to try new restaurants!), beach camping, IM basketball, and a movie night. When I came to interview at UCSD, I realized that I really liked the people that I had the chance to interact with. I encourage you to take this into consideration when choosing a medical school. You will be spending an extraordinary amount of time with your classmates, and hopefully they are people who you not only get along with, but can learn from and enjoy spending time with.

----- 5. The super supportive administration -----
The administration truly listens to what we want and does what it can to take action. They've worked to accommodate our requests and concerns regarding testing dates and lecture organization. They also emphasize that their doors are open to all of us, and I would honestly feel comfortable going to any of them if I had a major problem. By the way, they actually know your name! I was amazed at the beginning of the year when Dean Kelly or Ramon Aldecoa, the Director of Student Life, said hello to me by name and struck up a conversation. We can't express how wonderful it is to be in such a supportive environment!


----- 6. Life in gorgeous, interesting San Diego -----
There are so many things to do, regardless of what you like. Location is SO important during medical school because it's stressful and you NEED to have a way to escape and relax. San Diego is perfect for me –it might not be perfect for you, so I hope to give you a picture of what life is like here so that you can decide if it's right for you too.

I love that there are a variety of districts with different places to explore. You can find everything from great comedy clubs to fun bars to fancy restaurants to the zoo to public parks to beaches (GORGEOUS!!!) to cheap Mexican food. It's great that San Diego has downtown areas but still maintains a relaxed, suburban feel –it's not as crazy and fast-paced as New York. In fact, a nationwide survey recently came out that ranked San Diego as the #2 most desirable place to live in the United States! (Apparently, Denver is marginally cooler&#8230😉

And finally – don't underestimate the importance of weather! Medical school is hard enough, and anything you can do to make it easier (such as not having to shovel snow or take the Metro to school) will definitely help you out in the long run! It makes a big difference when we get stressed or tired. Whether or not this beautiful climate is right for you, I do think you should consider all these location-related factors when you choose your medical school.

----- 7. Housing -----
On-campus housing is one option – apartments are decent (but dormish in appearance, not so stylish) and pretty cheap, maybe $400-700/month. There's a new housing complex being built (you might have seen the construction during your visit) that'll provide more options for health sciences students as well. I currently live in One Miramar, which is one of the newest grad student housing complexes. I love it because I can walk to campus (about a 15 minute walk), or I can take the FREE UCSD shuttle if it is late or raining. Additionally, there are many off-campus housing options to choose from! There is a huge area of apartments that house undergrad and grad students within a couple miles of campus, and you can expect to pay $700-800/month for these nicer places. Some students, particularly in 3rd and 4th year, choose to move closer to the downtown hospitals; the Hillcrest area is a little cheaper and more "hip" (lots of cool restaurants and all that good stuff).


You have made it to the end of what has been a very long novel about why UCSD is awesome… I commend you. There are a lot of wonderful things to discover, and I hope I've shown you a good taste of that.

I wish you the best of luck with the rest of your interviews. Please let me know if you have any other questions about UCSD! I am looking forward to an awesome incoming class!

🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁 This just makes me feel worse about not being accepted here yet. I'm in the pool of acceptable applicants. This is my first choice by far! I am currently going to UCSD for undergrad and I want to stay here. Thanks anyways for the info though🙁🙁🙁🙁
 
Personally, I love attending lectures with exciting and engaging professors. Along the med-school application trail, I would hate to see med students boasting about how they don't have to go to lecture because its posted online and would brag about how they never attend lecture and still do well. Why is it a plus if med students can stay home and watch lectures instead of attending? To me, this is a reason to repel me from attending a school. If kids don't want to go to lecture and would rather sit in their rooms, doesn't this reflect negatively on how engaging the professors are at the school? I've met many of my friends in undergrad by just sitting next to them randomly in lecture. Not attending lecture eliminates this "social" opportunity as well.
 
Personally, I love attending lectures with exciting and engaging professors. Along the med-school application trail, I would hate to see med students boasting about how they don't have to go to lecture because its posted online and would brag about how they never attend lecture and still do well. Why is it a plus if med students can stay home and watch lectures instead of attending? To me, this is a reason to repel me from attending a school. If kids don't want to go to lecture and would rather sit in their rooms, doesn't this reflect negatively on how engaging the professors are at the school? I've met many of my friends in undergrad by just sitting next to them randomly in lecture. Not attending lecture eliminates this "social" opportunity as well.
It's really just a personal preference.

It's a plus for some students to stay at home and watch lectures because some people just don't learn as well from sitting in lecture. Some people like being able to pause a lecture to process something or look it up if they're confused. And some people are just night owls and prefer to stay up late studying, which means that they might not be able to function/process much at an 8am lecture.

And I don't see it as med students boasting about how they never attend lecture and still do well, I just see it as people having different learning strengths and having the flexibility to pursue these different ways of learning. As the email specified, a lot of people still go to lectures (and based on the people I talked to on interview day, a lot of them are like you and go for the social aspect of being able to interact with classmates -- I imagine it can get pretty lonely just studying all by yourself).

And no matter what school you go to, there's probably going to be some bad lecturers and good lecturers. And for those handful of lecturers that aren't so great, I imagine it's a good thing that you're not forced to sit through their presentations.

edit: on another note, what if on a random Tuesday morning, you wanted to schedule something else? If you wanted to shadow a doctor, go to grand rounds, or go to a conference or something, knowing that you've got the lecture fully recorded with full notes means that you can pursue these options without worrying too much about falling behind.
 
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hey im sorting through all my financial aid stuff right now... if we're on the waitlist is there anything we're supposed to submit? i know uci asks for stuff ahead of time.
 
So a few updates....my first year projected budget that they sent me (~51k) was assuming IS tuition, and I was told to add 12k for OOS tuition. (I knew it was too good to be true! 😉 )

Also, I found this budget based on last year's numbers:
http://meded.ucsd.edu/assets/25/File/StudentBudgetSOM0910.pdf

Many of you have probably already found this, but just is case- here is their financial aid brochure (with scholarships, explanations of loans, etc.):
http://meded.ucsd.edu/assets/25/File/FinancialAidBrochureSOM%281%29.pdf

Lastly, this page regarding the average debt accrued at UCSD is interesting:
http://meded.ucsd.edu/asa/financial_aid/debt/

Hope this information is useful to some of you!! 🙂
 
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This just makes me feel worse about not being accepted here yet. I'm in the pool of acceptable applicants. This is my first choice by far! I am currently going to UCSD for undergrad and I want to stay here. Thanks anyways for the info though🙁🙁🙁🙁

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I am so sorry, I just posted it because I thought it would be useful to people who were deciding between schools. I have been told that UCSD is really receptive to phone calls and other signs of interest. If you live there, I would go to their office once every couple of weeks or so (someone I met who got in off the waitlist did this all summer and go in right before classes began in September!)

Many MANY people I met got in off the WL. I think that lots of people who are accepted to top-tier schools are accepted to many schools, and obviously they can only attend one school. Don't give up hope by any means!! It has been my experience that showing interest generally pays off. It seems like schools want to matriculate students who really want to be there. Good luck!! I am rooting for you!! :luck::xf:
 
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I am so sorry, I just posted it because I thought it would be useful to people who were deciding between schools. I have been told that UCSD is really receptive to phone calls and other signs of interest. If you live there, I would go to their office once every couple of weeks or so (someone I met who got in off the waitlist did this all summer and go in right before classes began in September!)

Many MANY people I met got in off the WL. I think that lots of people who are accepted to top-tier schools are accepted to many schools, and obviously they can only attend one school. Don't give up hope by any means!! It has been my experience that showing interest generally pays off. It seems like schools want to matriculate students who really want to be there. Good luck!! I am rooting for you!! :luck::xf:

Thanks for your input...but isnt this 100% contrary to what Brian Z tells everyone?
 
Thanks for your input...but isnt this 100% contrary to what Brian Z tells everyone?
Yeah, I think that showing your continuing interest in schools is generally a good strategy, but not really applicable to UCSD (given what Brian has said)
 
Yeah, I think that showing your continuing interest in schools is generally a good strategy, but not really applicable to UCSD (given what Brian has said)

Yeah...I mean he basically says to do whatever will let you sleep at night but it won't really matter in terms of getting of the wait list.
 
Thanks violincuty for the awesome post.

Also if anyone else has questions about SD in general/living in SD as a student, ask away (I went to UCSD undergrad as well).

Good luck to you guys on the WL!! :xf:
 
Thanks for your input...but isnt this 100% contrary to what Brian Z tells everyone?

Yeah, I think that showing your continuing interest in schools is generally a good strategy, but not really applicable to UCSD (given what Brian has said)

Yeah...I mean he basically says to do whatever will let you sleep at night but it won't really matter in terms of getting of the wait list.

Brian is extremely insightful/helpful, so I would follow whatever he tells you. I remember him saying that they don't really consider a LOI, but I still think face time would make a difference. In my case, I corresponded with both of my interviewers at least 3-4 times each between the time I interviewed and the committee meeting. It's hard to say if it made a difference, but I think it did. We were able to talk about things a lot more in depth and they had a much better idea of my motivations by the end of the correspondence. I did not send Brian an addendum to AMCAS, but I did send it to my interviews and they seemed responsive to the new information that I gave them.

IMO- it never hurts to be proactive and show interest. The people I have spoken to there who are current students that were accepted off the WL all told me individually that they kept open lines of communication while they were waiting for a final decision. Look at it from their perspective- they have to narrow down a pool of "acceptable applicants"....we're all qualified or we wouldn't have been invited to interview. If I were on the committee, I could imagine that I would be more likely to give extra consideration to someone who calls all the time asking about their status than someone I haven't heard from in 4 months...but that's just my opinion/perspective. If I really wanted to gain acceptance to a school, I would try anything in my power as long as I am certain it won't work against me. In the end, however, you have to follow your heart and decide what's best for you.

I hope it works out for you guys!! I can't wait to meet my future classmates at revisit weekend 😍
 
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I totally get what you're saying, but I really doubt that if you're nearby and have the luxury of being able to walk into the office you'll get extra points. Even if you are, what do you do? You just walk in and say hey I'm still interested. I feel like they'd just not their head and an awkward silence would occur before you just end up walking out. I could be wrong, but I think there's a fine balance that has to be met. You do want to be persistent but overdoing it can also come across as annoying. It's not like calling every other day to say you're still interested can't work against you, because it definitely can. I'm just making generalizations to every school. UCSD could be different, but that's just my take on it.
 
I totally get what you're saying, but I really doubt that if you're nearby and have the luxury of being able to walk into the office you'll get extra points. Even if you are, what do you do? You just walk in and say hey I'm still interested. I feel like they'd just not their head and an awkward silence would occur before you just end up walking out. I could be wrong, but I think there's a fine balance that has to be met. You do want to be persistent but overdoing it can also come across as annoying. It's not like calling every other day to say you're still interested can't work against you, because it definitely can. I'm just making generalizations to every school. UCSD could be different, but that's just my take on it.

I agree that one could be perceived as annoying if you obviously try too hard, BUT...I think there are creative ways to do it. The one lady that comes to mind said that she went to their office once every couple of weeks to ask questions- she would update them on what schools she'd been accepted at and that UCSD was her first choice still. She would ask about research opportunities in med school, their combined degree programs, opportunities to spend time shadowing in the student clinic, etc. Don't underestimate how much of a "home field advantage" people who live in SD have! I wouldn't stalk their office, but I do think that there are creative ways to show interest. I also wouldn't publicly suggest this on this forum if current students didn't tell me that this is what they did. It's the same with my example- Brian told me not to send a LOI or an addendum to my AMCAS to his office because "whatever the interviewers know about you at the time of your interview is what you'll be evaluated on". I read between the lines and sent it to my interviewers instead, which seemed to work well for me.

Again, these are just my opinions...I realize that some people would feel awkward being persistent and that it definitely does not work for everyone. It's better than nothing, though....I think sitting around waiting/wondering what they're currently thinking about your application is the worst feeling in the world. Consuming myself with updates, research about the program, faculty emails, and several calls to Brian buffered that stress....for me 😛
 
Brian is extremely insightful/helpful, so I would follow whatever he tells you. I remember him saying that they don't really consider a LOI, but I still think face time would make a difference. In my case, I corresponded with both of my interviewers at least 3-4 times each between the time I interviewed and the committee meeting. It's hard to say if it made a difference, but I think it did. We were able to talk about things a lot more in depth and they had a much better idea of my motivations by the end of the correspondence. I did not send Brian an addendum to AMCAS, but I did send it to my interviews and they seemed responsive to the new information that I gave them.

IMO- it never hurts to be proactive and show interest. The people I have spoken to there who are current students that were accepted off the WL all told me individually that they kept open lines of communication while they were waiting for a final decision. Look at it from their perspective- they have to narrow down a pool of "acceptable applicants"....we're all qualified or we wouldn't have been invited to interview. If I were on the committee, I could imagine that I would be more likely to give extra consideration to someone who calls all the time asking about their status than someone I haven't heard from in 4 months...but that's just my opinion/perspective. If I really wanted to gain acceptance to a school, I would try anything in my power as long as I am certain it won't work against me. In the end, however, you have to follow your heart and decide what's best for you.

I hope it works out for you guys!! I can't wait to meet my future classmates at revisit weekend 😍
Like I said, I think it's generally a good strategy but based off what Brian's said, it's likely just going to be an exercise in futility at UCSD.

This response from Brian was posted earlier by someone:
"Addressing your question about trying to improve your chances of getting in, I'll
try to summarize our admissions committee's thought on this - as you can imagine, we
get many such questions.

Essentially, we are only evaluating you based on what's in your file at the time on
interview: Your AMCAS application, your letters of recommendation, your secondary
application, and interviewer reports.
Just because the process of interviewing so
many applicants takes several months, it does not mean we are constantly
re-considering applicants' files every time we receive an update from them. A
letter of interest saying "UCSD is my top choice" is meaningless to us. Yes it is
nice to hear, but we don't want to penalize somebody that does NOT send any updates
or a letter of interest.
Basically we have to assume that ALL applicants are
continuing to do the types of activities that made us interview them in the first
place, and we have to assume that ALL applicants are interested in UCSD until they
explicitly tell us that they are not interested.

All that being said, I can promise you that things you send in will be added to your
paper file, even though they are not forwarded to the committee...I won't just
delete your e-mails. I don't want to discourage you from doing anything you want
to do, but I also don't want you to view this as an on-going competition. I would
discourage you from asking for additional letters of recommendation - spending your
own time to update us is one thing, asking others to spend their time creating new
letters of recommendation that won't have any impact is another thing.

In summary, there's not really a way to improve your chances or add value to your
application. I hope you don't view this as us being harsh or uncaring, but rather
as a reflection of the huge amount of time (volunteer time) our committee is already
putting in for the over 5400 application and over 600 interviews we'll go through
this year."
If you managed to get something to your interviewer before they turned in their interviewer reports -- great, they might include it in whatever they write about you. But taking what Brian said at face-value (and honestly, there's really no reason not to -- he's been very straightforward throughout the process), calling them every day or showing up or writing love letters to them every week won't matter since it's not going to be included in what they're using to review you.

I would guess that the people who got pulled off the waitlist were going to get pulled off regardless of how much they actually contacted the school. And you've got some pretty significant sampling bias -- you can't really talk to the people who sent lots of letters and didn't get in and the people who didn't really love UCSD might have just removed themselves from the waitlist before they might have been taken off.
 
Like I said, I think it's generally a good strategy but based off what Brian's said, it's likely just going to be an exercise in futility.

This response from Brian was posted earlier by someone:

If you managed to get something to your interviewer before they turned in their interviewer reports -- great, they might include it in whatever they write about you. But taking what Brian said at face-value (and honestly, there's really no reason not to -- he's been very straightforward throughout the process), calling them every day or showing up or writing love letters to them every week won't matter since it's not going to be included in what they're using to review you.

I would guess that the people who got pulled off the waitlist were going to get pulled off regardless of how much they actually contacted the school. And you've got some pretty significant sampling bias -- you can't really talk to the people who sent lots of letters and didn't get in and the people who didn't really love UCSD might have just removed themselves from the waitlist before they might have been taken off.

True, no argument there, and I don't see any reason not to trust Brian. He seems to go out of his way to be open and honest about the process.

It might be an exercise in futility, but it would be what I would do...I guess I just have that type of neurotic personality 😉 To be fair to Brian's email above, though, what do you really expect him to say when you ask: "If I show interest in your school, will it improve my chance?" My guess is that if you are going to do it, you should do it in a way that is genuine and not go into it expecting any special consideration. The fact is that someone on that committee (maybe Dean Kelly or someone else besides Brian) will have to review your file eventually to make a final decision, and it seems to me that if they remember speaking to you, the personal touch would make a difference. But...I could be totally wrong here. Admittedly, if there's one thing I have learned in the past year, there is no magic formula that will get you into med school. It seems to me that following your heart/passions with genuine behavior is all you really can do in this process...
 
Well, some schools definitely do explicitly state that they welcome LOIs/updates and encourage you to keep them updated on your activities. UCSD simply strikes me as significantly different in this regard because they seem to want everyone to be on the same footing and compared equally.

I think more than anything else, writing a letter just helps applicants feel like they're able to regain some control out of something that is otherwise completely out of their hands. And yes, this definitely plays to the neurotic types 😛
 
Well, some schools definitely do explicitly state that they welcome LOIs/updates and encourage you to keep them updated on your activities. UCSD simply strikes me as significantly different in this regard because they seem to want everyone to be on the same footing and compared equally.

I think more than anything else, writing a letter just helps applicants feel like they're able to regain some control out of something that is otherwise completely out of their hands. And yes, this definitely plays to the neurotic types 😛

Yeah, that is a good point. UCLA's admissions office blatantly told me to send a LOI if I want to be accepted off of the WL and even told me what information to include in it. This struck me as odd, though. If I had any say in the admissions process, I would not comment on whether it would help the applicant to send one and then see who is genuine about it and who isn't. I think it is sort of amazing that they judge 600+ of us and decide whether they want to welcome us as future colleagues in just a few short hours during an interview day. For me, the follow-up behavior would be just as important, if not more so, than the actual interview-day behavior when people are "expected" to be acting their best. I am the kind of person who doesn't generally trust people until they've proved to be sincere, though....so if UCSD is just being straightforward and not manipulative with their response, kudos to them! 👍
 
Yeah, that is a good point. UCLA's admissions office blatantly told me to send a LOI if I want to be accepted off of the WL and even told me what information to include in it. This struck me as odd, though. If I had any say in the admissions process, I would not comment on whether it would help the applicant to send one and then see who is genuine about it and who isn't. I think it is sort of amazing that they judge 600+ of us and decide whether they want to welcome us as future colleagues in just a few short hours during an interview day. For me, the follow-up behavior would be just as important, if not more so, than the actual interview-day behavior when people are "expected" to be acting their best. I am the kind of person who doesn't generally trust people until they've proved to be sincere, though....so if UCSD is just being straightforward and not manipulative with their response, kudos to them! 👍
nice - this isn't pertinent to ucsd, but out of curiosity what did ucla specify for their LOIs?
 
nice - this isn't pertinent to ucsd, but out of curiosity what did ucla specify for their LOIs?

1. Explicitly describe why you want to go there with specific examples of things that impressed you positively from your interview

2. If there's a faculty member you want to work with (research, clinical work, etc.), specify this and why

3. Update us on your credentials- anything that you think would make you a more competitive applicant


Those were the main things that I can remember...
 
cool thanks! i guess those are reasonable things to have in any update letter or LOI.
 
Well, some schools definitely do explicitly state that they welcome LOIs/updates and encourage you to keep them updated on your activities. UCSD simply strikes me as significantly different in this regard because they seem to want everyone to be on the same footing and compared equally.

I think more than anything else, writing a letter just helps applicants feel like they're able to regain some control out of something that is otherwise completely out of their hands. And yes, this definitely plays to the neurotic types 😛

I left out one comment that I should I have said....whatever metrics UCSD uses to choose their students, it must be pretty good because ALL of the students I met were incredibly happy, cohesive, and super excited to be going to UCSD. I happened to have interviewed the day after St. Patricks Day, and I was able to attend their dorm party that night. It was a BLAST! The students are incredible- can't wait to work with them next year! One 4th year even drove from SD to Orange County to meet me for dinner and talk about the school when I was there on my spring break, which was pre-acceptance.

Also, all of the faculty members and staff that I have emailed have been amazingly responsive. I wrote to one of my interviewers this past Sunday evening, and he responded within 5 minutes with his cell phone number and a note to call him so that we could chat. I LOVE the supportive academic community that I found at UCSD, and it was a huge motivating factor in my decision to choose this school. Based on that experience...I am not about to argue with the way they run their admissions process. They always struck me as honest/open, and it made my life so much less stressful.
 
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I left out one comment that I should I have said....whatever metrics UCSD uses to choose their students, it must be pretty good because ALL of the students I met were incredibly happy, cohesive, and super excited to be going to UCSD. I happened to have interviewed the day after St. Patricks Day, and I was able to attend their dorm party that night. It was a BLAST! The students are incredible- can't wait to work with them next year! One 4th year even drove from SD to Orange County to meet me for dinner and talk about the school when I was there on my spring break, which was pre-acceptance.

Also, all of the faculty members and staff that I have emailed have been amazingly responsive. I wrote to one of my interviewers this past Sunday evening, and he responded within 5 minutes with his cell phone number and a note to call him so that we could chat. I LOVE the supportive academic community that I found at UCSD, and it was a huge motivating factor in my decision to choose this school. Based on that experience...I am not about to argue with the way they run their admissions process. They always struck me as honest/open, and it made my life so much less stressful.
I'll completely agree with you on that. Relative to other schools I visited, UCSD seemed to have a really high level of collegiality and cohesiveness not only between the students but also between the students and the faculty/administration.

I think one student I talked to there said that Dean Kelly showed up to his birthday party!
 
I'll completely agree with you on that. Relative to other schools I visited, UCSD seemed to have a really high level of collegiality and cohesiveness not only between the students but also between the students and the faculty/administration.

I think one student I talked to there said that Dean Kelly showed up to his birthday party!

👍 Very cool!
 
I guess I should add that she was probably invited. I don't think that the administration is just barging into parties on random UCSD students :laugh:
 
I guess I should add that she was probably invited. I don't think that the administration is just barging into parties on random UCSD students :laugh:

:laugh: It would be pretty funny if they did crash a party, though! The administration there definitely seems down-to-earth, the kind of people I would want to remain friends with outside of a professional relationship. Ahhh, talking about this is making me so excited!! I want to move there today! 😛
 
bumping all the schools i like today.

acceptance pool starts moving soon, riiiight? is may 15th hard and fast?
 
Well not hard and fast judging from past years and acceptable pool rejections will start coming soon..
 
Well not hard and fast judging from past years and acceptable pool rejections will start coming soon..

ah so they reject first to narrow it down and then go from there. fantastic. here i thought i would escape with no more legit rejections.
 
Ugh, I got waitlisted here like 5 months ago, and since then, I really haven't paid much mind to it. Suddenly, it's mid-April, and it just dawned on me that rejection letters will be coming out soon. Reading this thread just made me even more depressed, since I now know that they apparently interviewed some 600 people for 150 slots. And according to the UCSD site, they don't reject anyone after an interview -- we all just get dumped into the pool. I have a sinking feeling that I'm not at the top of that list of 450 people. The worst thing is that my last semester was the best semester I've had at university with regards to academics and extracurriculars, and UCSD doesn't care, haha.

I just want to go back to being carefree and indifferent like I've been since January.
 
I am so excited for the next round of acceptances to go out on Tuesday!! Can't wait to see who my new classmates will be 🙂

Good luck guys! :luck:
 
anyone know how to access the FA app? my email told me it should be accessible via status page but mine still just says final decision letter sent and no updates beyond that. thanks 🙂
 
anyone know how to access the FA app? my email told me it should be accessible via status page but mine still just says final decision letter sent and no updates beyond that. thanks 🙂

It took a couple days for mine to show up, but it's basically just a link below the "Final Decision Letter Sent" tab. It opens a pdf: I checked mine again and I think I can send you a link to mine (the forms are the same for everyone, no info has been entered yet). I am going to PM you the link now. Let me know if it works 🙂
 
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so when do ppl who interviewed thursday april 8 expect to hear back? is it this upcoming tuesday??
 
so when do ppl who interviewed thursday april 8 expect to hear back? is it this upcoming tuesday??

You can call Brian today and ask if you're file is up for review on Monday!!! Do you need his number?
 
so when do ppl who interviewed thursday april 8 expect to hear back? is it this upcoming tuesday??

The last committee meeting for regular admission is Monday. Everyone who has interviewed and not received a response will hear back on Tuesday. Good luck!!
 
The last committee meeting for regular admission is Monday. Everyone who has interviewed and not received a response will hear back on Tuesday. Good luck!!

I am really rooting for you Future!!! Please let us know what happens! :luck::xf:
 
So who's going to second look? I was planning to arrive around 2pm-ish on Friday. I am so excited!!!

Good luck to everyone who's still waiting. Tomorrow is the big day for you guys, eh? ...I'm nervous and I am not even waiting for anything! :xf: Remember you can always call Brian in the morning if you don't want to wait anxiously by the computer/phone 😉
 
So who's going to second look? I was planning to arrive around 2pm-ish on Friday. I am so excited!!!

Good luck to everyone who's still waiting. Tomorrow is the big day for you guys, eh? ...I'm nervous and I am not even waiting for anything! :xf: Remember you can always call Brian in the morning if you don't want to wait anxiously by the computer/phone 😉

Thanks for the positive vibes - I'm hoping I can resist the urge to call.
 
Does anyone know when they start making cuts to the acceptable pool?
 
Thanks for the positive vibes - I'm hoping I can resist the urge to call.

How come? I called twice that morning...Brian seemed to enjoy being the one to give me the news. He usually only gets to deliver bad news. I wouldn't hold back from calling if I were you...that was the best morning of my life, I hope you guys get to have a similar experience!! 😀
 
acceptable pooled. oh well.
 
Hey guys! Is anyone down to carpool to the 2nd look event? I'd prefer to be a passenger, but I can get a rental car to be a driver. This application cycle has taken a toll on the wallet lol
 
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anyone know how UCSD students fare in competitive specialties such as opthalmology and ENT?
There weren't too many who matched, but I wasn't sure if this was by choice or b/c of an inability to get in...
if any current students could comment on this, that would be great
also if there are any statistics on match satisfaction, that would also be much apppreciated
 
while on the subject of matching.....anyone know if students have any problems matching on the east coast, specifically NY? match list is heavily CA, but I don't know whether this is by choice, or by limitation....most likely by choice, but i'm interested to know

thanks!
 
while on the subject of matching.....anyone know if students have any problems matching on the east coast, specifically NY? match list is heavily CA, but I don't know whether this is by choice, or by limitation.

thanks!

there was a heated thread about this a while ago arguing about the benefits/drawbacks of going to ucsd vs harvard and matching to residencies. honestly, majority of ucsd are instate. many probably choose to stay instate. i think there is a strong self selection. also, it would be most interesting to see a 2010 match satisfaction survey (as mentioned above). just because ppl aren't matching to east coast programs doesn't mean they couldn't or are unhappy about staying in CA.
 
has anybody heard good news today??

are there still people waiting to hear back?? no email. no phone call.. and no balls to call Brian either. so i guess i'll keep waiting.

im a bit puzzled. interviewed april 8.
 
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