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In State unfortunately. We both getting accepted this week though so don't worry!Was this friend IS or OOS?
In State unfortunately. We both getting accepted this week though so don't worry!Was this friend IS or OOS?
I don't know if the new traffic rules will necessarily affect this. If realistically, there are still the same number of seats (or at least, the number of seats hasn't changed because of the new traffic rules).they know pre-meds will always reapply in mass,
... that literally makes NO sense. I know someone with a 3.7/504 who got accepted in May and your friend with a 3.8/514 didn’t get in until last week!? How were people ranked!?In State unfortunately. We both getting accepted this week though so don't worry!
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant that applicants who don't have any acceptances and don't make it off of a Waitlist will always largely reapply as opposed to saying "screw this process that drains me of thousands of dollars and even more hours, orchestrated by a money grubbing company". The applicants will always apply, no matter how scummy AAMC is, and it seems AAMC exploits this fact. I didn't mean there are fewer total medical students because of the new traffic rules, more that these rules are really lazy and do nothing to help us, but AAMC doesn't care as long as they can keep taking our money all the while reducing their workloadI don't know if the new traffic rules will necessarily affect this. If realistically, there are still the same number of seats (or at least, the number of seats hasn't changed because of the new traffic rules).
So I think that the same number of students will be accepted this year as last year, meaning the same number of reapplicants - the only main difference this year is that there's less movement and those with an acceptance are more likely to end up at a "less desirable" choice.
edit: Not defending AAMC, and I don't think they care about the applicants and I do agree its all about money to them, but I just don't know if your conclusion is accurate.
Through my experience with my own decision and some other applicants around me in correspondence with decision makers, there has been frustration and apologies for delay in decision making that may have occurred in a more timely manner in previous years. Had I wanted to be in early as possible such as I was last year, I would have sent money to aamc before admission. Not saying that is the mastermind conspiracy but I would not be surprised that delays may have resulted in payments being made.I don't know if the new traffic rules will necessarily affect this. If realistically, there are still the same number of seats (or at least, the number of seats hasn't changed because of the new traffic rules).
So I think that the same number of students will be accepted this year as last year, meaning the same number of reapplicants - the only main difference this year is that there's less movement and those with an acceptance are more likely to end up at a "less desirable" choice.
edit: Not defending AAMC, and I don't think they care about the applicants and I do agree its all about money to them, but I just don't know if your conclusion is accurate.
I have a low opinion of the way that AMCAS has managed all of this. That said, I do not believe that fees are the reason for the colossal lack of spine shown by the AAMC lawyers. I believe that monopolies become fat and lazy and forget their constituents.I'm not a huge conspiracy theory guy and if people like gyngyn who are more plugged in than I am want to correct me, go ahead, but it truly feels like AAMC is looking to squeeze every penny out of anyone it can and that they know pre-meds will always reapply in mass, and that just means more money in their pockets. They have these traffic "rules" with language like "out of couresty to other applicants", blah blah blah etc, but it doesn't feel like they genuinely care. It's really messed up to be honest.
Unless it is mine 🙂So after reading all of this...I see literally no reason to remove myself from my waitlist after selecting CTE at my accepted school
@gyngyn -- Wow!!! That is NOT what AMCAS says on its website --We don't know who they are! AMCAS tells us that there are two of them, not who they are.
Only AMCAS knows and they have already said that they will do nothing.
Schools can definitely see if you have PTE'd elsewhere. I think gyngyn's school has students who are PTE'd to HER school, but are holding acceptances elsewhere. The other schools those students are accepted at can see that they are PTE'd elsewhere (but don't know where), whereas gyngyn's school can't see that. So if I am PTE'd to school A, then school B can see that I've PTE'd somewhere else, but school A doesn't know anything other than that I have PTE'd to their school.@gyngyn -- Wow!!! That is NOT what AAMC says on its website -- View attachment 269979
This table not merely implies, but explicitly states, that you can run a detailed report to identify your accepted and WL candidates who have CTE'd and PTE'd elsewhere, but you won't know at which schools they have CTE'd or PTE'd.
great question. i want to know this as well.Do we know if you’re able to change your CTE selection once you do it? Will it even be possible to go to another school after CTE-ing somewhere else, if you can’t change that CTE selection?
@gyngyn -- why is it that @confusedpremed12345 was identified by a school that saw s/he had PTE'd elsewhere, but your school cannot do the same? Are you saying that both of your multiple acceptees hold acceptances at other schools, all of which have not employed the PTE/CTE protocol? That is the only apparent explanation.Can confirm. I PTE'd at a school before the April 30th deadline and assumed incorrectly that this would automatically withdraw all other acceptances I had. I was contacted by one of the other schools I had an acceptance at after the deadline and they told me that they were withdrawing my application because I had PTE'd at another school. As a result of this, I learned what the correct protocol was and formally withdrew the rest of my acceptances.
I edited my post above to answer that!@gyngyn -- why is it that @confusedpremed12345 was identified by a school that saw s/he had PTE'd elsewhere, but your school cannot do the same? Are you saying that both of your multiple acceptees hold acceptances at other schools, all of which have not employed the PTE/CTE protocol? That is the only apparent explanation.
If you have CTE'd to school A and are on the waitlist at school B, school A will only see that you have CTE'd to their school. They will not know what, if any, waitlists you have. School B will see that you have CTE'd to another school. School B will not know what school that you have CTE'd to; just that it is at another school. So school B will then have to decide whether or not they want to give you a spot knowing that you have CTE'd somewhere else.I’m confused, if someone CTE’s at School A, can school A see if that person is still holding on to waitlist spots? If not what is CTE for then?
No, school A cannot see your WL status at other schools. Theoretically, CTE is to tell the school you CTE'd at that you are definitely enrolling, and to tell the WL to skip you since you were supposed to withdraw and you are committed elsewhere. It remains to be seen if that will actually happen.I’m confused, if someone CTE’s at School A, can school A see if that person is still holding on to waitlist spots? If not what is CTE for then?
So I guess the question is, on July 2nd, how many schools are not using PTE/CTE for their accepted students, and what happens with them? Do they just show up (or not) for orientation? 🙂I edited my post above to answer that!
No clue.So I guess the question is, on July 2nd, how many schools are not using PTE/CTE for their accepted students, and what happens with them? Do they just show up (or not) for orientation? 🙂
Even if a school uses the PTE protocol, they may not check to see that all of their applicants are selecting it. Like, at that time, I was holding 4 acceptances and only one school contacted me about it, even though all 4 were using the protocol. Had I not realized that I had to actively withdraw my applications, I would still be holding 3 extra acceptances.So I guess the question is, on July 2nd, how many schools are not using PTE/CTE for their accepted students, and what happens with them? Do they just show up (or not) for orientation? 🙂
And what's the point of telling @gyngyn s/he has two candidates who hold multiple acceptances, but not identifying them, when they would be identified if the other schools used the PTE protocol? This really doesn't make any sense, so I wonder if it's true, or if @gyngyn's school could identify them if it ran the report?
Well, they apparently matter if your schools happen to use them (see @confusedpremed12345's post above!).So schools know nothing and these designations don’t really matter....how did this get green lit?
Unless the other 3 also rescinded your offers! You had one school that jumped on you right away. It's probably pretty reasonable to assume that the other schools would have forced your hand by now (unless one of them was @gyngyn's school 🙂).Even if a school uses the PTE protocol, they may not check to see that all of their applicants are selecting it. Like, at that time, I was holding 4 acceptances and only one school contacted me about it, even though all 4 were using the protocol. Had I not realized that I had to actively withdraw my applications, I would still be holding 3 extra acceptances.
That's true. Although, again, let's not assume gyngyn's school was acting in bad faith; if they were PTE'd at her school, then she'd have no way of knowing who those people were. Like in my case, the school I am PTE'd at probably had no way of knowing I was holding other acceptances. Only the other 3 schools could know that.Unless the other 3 also rescinded your offers! You had one school that jumped on you right away. It's probably pretty reasonable to assume that the other schools would have forced your hand by now (unless one of them was @gyngyn's school 🙂).
I meant more for if you CTE somewhere but don’t withdraw your applicationsWell, they apparently matter if your schools happen to use them (see @confusedpremed12345's post above!).
No, the school you've CTE'd at won't know if you've done that, but the school you're hoping to get off the waitlist at would (which harms your chance of getting off the waitlist). You are better off not withdrawing your waitlists when you CTE, because there is still a small chance you can get off of them and your CTE school has no way of knowing this.I meant more for if you CTE somewhere but don’t withdraw your applications
Absolutely! I do not mean to imply that @gyngyn's school is not acting in good faith. Remember, all schools where you are accepted (or WL'd) can see that you have CTE'd or PTE'd elsewhere. No school that is using the protocol would allow you to hold an acceptance at this late stage (unless you were just accepted off the WL) without PTEing them. That's how schools would see each other -- you'd either have multiple PTEs, or you'd have your acceptance rescinded. If @gyngyn cannot see his multiple acceptees, it must be that their other acceptances are at schools not using the protocol.That's true. Although, again, let's not assume gyngyn's school was acting in bad faith; if they were PTE'd at her school, then she'd have no way of knowing who those people were. Like in my case, the school I am PTE'd at probably had no way of knowing I was holding other acceptances. Only the other 3 schools could know that.
Ah, I see what you're saying now. That makes sense.Absolutely! I do not mean to imply that @gyngyn's school is not acting in good faith. Remember, all schools where you are accepted (or WL'd) can see that you have CTE'd or PTE'd elsewhere. No school that is using the protocol would allow you to hold an acceptance that this late stage (unless you were just accepted off the WL) without PTEing them. That's how schools would see each other -- you'd either have multiple PTEs, or you'd have your acceptance rescinded. If @gyngyn cannot see his multiple acceptees, it must be that their other acceptances are at schools not using the protocol.
Right, and then I'm saying it makes no sense if AMCAS is taunting @gyngyn by letting him (or is it her?) know that s/he has two candidates with multiple acceptances, but then not identifying them. I'm thinking his school can run the report, but for whatever reason isn't. If those other acceptances are at schools not using the protocol, why is AMCAS providing partial information that is not actionable? Just to give a heads-up that he MIGHT have a few open seats in the next few weeks???? Why not identify the candidates (as they would if they were PTE'd elsewhere)? In the alternative, why provide any information at all?Ah, I see what you're saying now. That makes sense.
I think it's so that they know to expect WL movement in the future, but yes, this is BS. Med schools should just boycott the AAMC.Right, and then I'm saying it makes no sense if AMCAS is taunting @gyngyn by letting him (or is it her?) know that s/he has two candidates with multiple acceptances, but then not identifying them. I'm thinking his school can run the report, but for whatever reason isn't. If those other acceptances are at schools not using the protocol, why is AMCAS providing partial information that is not actionable? Just to give a heads-up that he MIGHT have a few open seats in the next few weeks???? Why not identify the candidates (as they would if they were PTE'd elsewhere)? In the alternative, why provide any information at all?
🙂🙂🙂I think it's so that they know to expect WL movement in the future, but yes, this is BS. Med schools should just boycott the AAMC.
just anyone with an acceptance?? not people who had cte'd elsewhere?I found out this morning that the school I’m waitlisted at purged students with an acceptance elsewhere off the waitlist today. I didn’t even know that was possible until today.
Yeah; that doesn't sound right, since there is nothing wrong with being PTE'd while waiting for a WL decision. It has to be they purged CTEs, which is the right thing to do, since they are COMMITTED elsewhere!! It was not only possible; it's what is supposed to happen, since when you CTE you are supposed to withdraw all other acceptances and WLs.just anyone with an acceptance?? not people who had cte'd elsewhere?
I’m not 100% sure because I heard this from somebody else on SDN. He just said they’ll be pulling off students who have been accepted elsewhere and haven’t withdrawn from UofL. Maybe that does mean CTE. But today was also the CTE deadline for the already accepted students so I guess that’s why.just anyone with an acceptance?? not people who had cte'd elsewhere?
PREACH!Not sure why everyone is mad at AAMC. Most of the blame should be put on adcoms. It takes them over a year to form a medical school class. The NASA Astronaut Selection Process takes a shorter time.
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AYYYE!! KICK 'EM OUT.I found out this morning that the school I’m waitlisted at purged students with an acceptance elsewhere off the waitlist today. I didn’t even know that was possible until today.
We do not get a report that tells us which accepted students are holding acceptances elsewhere. We did in years past.@gyngyn -- Wow!!! That is NOT what AMCAS says on its website --
View attachment 269979
This table not merely implies, but explicitly states, that you can run a detailed report to identify your accepted and WL candidates who have CTE'd and PTE'd elsewhere, but you won't know at which schools they have CTE'd or PTE'd.
We can see that waitlisted students have PTE'd (or CTE'd) elsewhere. We cannot see where.@gyngyn -- why is it that @confusedpremed12345 was identified by a school that saw s/he had PTE'd elsewhere, but your school cannot do the same? Are you saying that both of your multiple acceptees hold acceptances at other schools, all of which have not employed the PTE/CTE protocol? That is the only apparent explanation.
No, we cannot see which accepted students are holding other acceptances (or have stayed on a waitlist). We are only told how many.Absolutely! I do not mean to imply that @gyngyn's school is not acting in good faith. Remember, all schools where you are accepted (or WL'd) can see that you have CTE'd or PTE'd elsewhere. No school that is using the protocol would allow you to hold an acceptance at this late stage (unless you were just accepted off the WL) without PTEing them. That's how schools would see each other -- you'd either have multiple PTEs, or you'd have your acceptance rescinded. If @gyngyn cannot see his multiple acceptees, it must be that their other acceptances are at schools not using the protocol.
It may make no sense but this is exactly the case.Right, and then I'm saying it makes no sense if AMCAS is taunting @gyngyn by letting him (or is it her?) know that s/he has two candidates with multiple acceptances, but then not identifying them. I'm thinking his school can run the report, but for whatever reason isn't. If those other acceptances are at schools not using the protocol, why is AMCAS providing partial information that is not actionable? Just to give a heads-up that he MIGHT have a few open seats in the next few weeks???? Why not identify the candidates (as they would if they were PTE'd elsewhere)? In the alternative, why provide any information at all?
If this is all true, it seems like an easy fix going forward would be for AMCAS to at least let @gyngyn know which candidates hold multiple acceptances (without identifying the other schools) so that @gyngyn can do what he needs to do to finalize his class (either allow them to hold the multiple acceptances or not), regardless of whether or not the other schools have elected to use the PTE/CTE protocol.
My assumption was made based on a theory that schools would under-accept in an unknown situation. We will know within two weeks if that turns out to be the case. It did not factor in the possibility that arbitrarily early CTE deadlines would force so many applicants into a premature decision.@gyngyn at the point, do you still stand by your prediction that movement will come around CTE dates? Are you more or less confident as before?
@gyngyn -- then you might want to speak with someone at the school @confusedpremed12345 referenced in her post, since they rescinded an acceptance (not a WL spot) once they saw she PTE'd elsewhere on 4/30! She was accepted at multiple schools that use the protocol, they were able to identify her without her self-reporting, and they took action. Why on earth would you be able to identify WL students with other acceptances but not accepted students with other acceptances?We can see that waitlisted students have PTE'd (or CTE'd) elsewhere. We cannot see where.
We cannot see which accepted students are holding multiple accepts. We are told how many are holding them.