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I really don't understand the urgency to immediately reapply while on WLs. Quoted here are two great examples of the advantages of waiting out this cycle to completion.

So you'll matriculate two years later and maybe you won't be an attending by 30 but who cares. A delayed reapplication that demonstrates significant improvement in all fields where it was needed (received via adcomm feedback) is much better than chancing an immediate reapplication, with essentially the same application, that hopes for a better shake of the dice this go-around.
Well you just made the point for applying while on a WL. If one applies and is denied, they still can apply in the cycle they would have been in if they waited to revamp their app. The only loss here is money. While if you wait a cycle, you lose time and money.
 
I really don't understand the urgency to immediately reapply while on WLs. Quoted here are two great examples of the advantages of waiting out this cycle to completion.

So you'll matriculate two years later and maybe you won't be an attending by 30 but who cares. A delayed reapplication that demonstrates significant improvement in all fields where it was needed (received via adcomm feedback) is much better than chancing an immediate reapplication, with essentially the same application, that hopes for a better shake of the dice this go-around.


I guess it depends, right? Some applications (like mine) would definitely benefit from the extra year, and I will almost certainly wait. Others (like people on this thread sitting on 5 waitlists with no accepts) seem to have just gotten lost in the shuffle of this year's crazy cycle. Or maybe their stats were fine and their interview performance was lackluster, which I can't imagine is something worth giving a year of preparation to. Given that these applicants were reasonably competitive in the first place, I see no reason why they should wait. Sometimes it really is just a shake of the dice!
 
@gyngyn should I take being told to reapply in early in May by an adcom when I asked for feedback as being rejected or them simply not giving false hope and covering themself?
 
I guess it depends, right? Some applications (like mine) would definitely benefit from the extra year, and I will almost certainly wait. Others (like people on this thread sitting on 5 waitlists with no accepts) seem to have just gotten lost in the shuffle of this year's crazy cycle. Or maybe their stats were fine and their interview performance was lackluster, which I can't imagine is something worth giving a year of preparation to. Given that these applicants were reasonably competitive in the first place, I see no reason why they should wait. Sometimes it really is just a shake of the dice!
Very true, and I'm not doing a good enough job putting myself in the shoes of others.

However, I am one of those applicants with multiple WLs/No A's that was told by some schools I did just get lost in the shuffle of things and that I should reapply immediately, hoping for a better application review this coming cycle. Alternatively, I received feedback from some schools that cannot be corrected within the timespan of when I received the feedback (March) and when I could resubmit my primary (May/June) - e.g., higher MCAT needed.

Regardless of where you land on the topic of immediate reapplication, I think getting feedback from as many schools as possible is critical. I should rephrase my concerns to immediate reapplication without feedback received as opposed to immediate reapplication, in general
 
Well you just made the point for applying while on a WL. If one applies and is denied, they still can apply in the cycle they would have been in if they waited to revamp their app. The only loss here is money. While if you wait a cycle, you lose time and money.
I think an important potential loss that should also be considered is the number of application attempts, though the importance of this seems to vary on a school-by-school basis.
 
I think an important potential loss that should also be considered is the number of application attempts, though the importance of this seems to vary on a school-by-school basis.
Fair but I am pretty sure it is a small number. At least to the ones I know of. Disclosure: I am not applying to a bunch of top 20s so I am pretty unaware, but I recognize SDN people are all about T20.
 
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@gyngyn should I take being told to reapply in early in May by an adcom when I asked for feedback as being rejected or them simply not giving false hope and covering themself?
Unless the person counseling you is speaking specifically and precisely about your application (with it open at the time), such vague, general comments are not helpful. You can't even apply in May!
Reliable counseling for unaccepted applicants is quite uncommon. It seems to be mostly at state public schools in smaller states.
 
Unless the person counseling you is speaking specifically and precisely about your application (with it open at the time), such vague, general comments are not helpful. You can't even apply in May!
Reliable counseling for unaccepted applicants is quite uncommon. It seems to be mostly at state public schools in smaller states.
If I recall it was said before we started discussing my app. It seemed to be a very general statement.
 
I really don't understand the urgency to immediately reapply while on WLs. Quoted here are two great examples of the advantages of waiting out this cycle to completion.

So you'll matriculate two years later and maybe you won't be an attending by 30 but who cares. A delayed reapplication that demonstrates significant improvement in all fields where it was needed (received via adcomm feedback) is much better than chancing an immediate reapplication, with essentially the same application, that hopes for a better shake of the dice this go-around.

For me, I know the big thing holding me back is my MCAT score. In a perfect world, once I got waitlisted back in December, I would have been able to begin MCAT prep in January, take my exam April/May, and submit my reapplication but I just couldn’t do it. Studying for a MCAT retake is in a way accepting defeat. Of course people can say, no it’s preparing for the worst, but that’s not how I’m wired. I’m an optimist and I want to speak/act what I want in to existence. So that’s why I have chosen to wait it out.
 
I really don't understand the urgency to immediately reapply while on WLs. Quoted here are two great examples of the advantages of waiting out this cycle to completion.

So you'll matriculate two years later and maybe you won't be an attending by 30 but who cares. A delayed reapplication that demonstrates significant improvement in all fields where it was needed (received via adcomm feedback) is much better than chancing an immediate reapplication, with essentially the same application, that hopes for a better shake of the dice this go-around.

Sorry, don't agree with what you're saying. Sure, if a person applied broadly and didn't receive a single interview, sure get feedback and take the year to improve. Getting interviews and being on the waitlist, shows you are qualified, and need an extra push, not a total revamp. As someone who had multiple interviews and am on 3 waitlist, I've have received feedback from many sources and not one said wait it out, in fact they suggested some little things which might make the difference next year. Lucky for me, I foresaw this possibility in November and took steps to improve my app just in case, checking the boxes they mentioned.
 
Sorry, don't agree with what you're saying. Sure, if a person applied broadly and didn't receive a single interview, sure get feedback and take the year to improve. Getting interviews and being on the waitlist, shows you are qualified, and need an extra push, not a total revamp. As someone who had multiple interviews and am on 3 waitlist, I've have received feedback from many sources and not one said wait it out, in fact they suggested some little things which might make the difference next year. Lucky for me, I foresaw this possibility in November and took steps to improve my app just in case, checking the boxes they mentioned.
I applaud your foresight and ability to be proactive- well done!

Through hearing the experience of others I've been able to now understand circumstances when an immediate reapp is advisable and warranted.

This thread continues to be both comforting and informative.
 
I applaud your foresight and ability to be proactive- well done!

Through hearing the experience of others I've been able to now understand circumstances when an immediate reapp is advisable and warranted.

This thread continues to be both comforting and informative.

Thanks, I received multiple interviews before November, so when I didn't have any acceptances, I was like well I should do something about it just in case. Maybe it was my interviewing ability and I was overconfident because I received many interviews. Who knows, but I'm leaving no stone unturned this time. It was hard accepting that I would have to reapply while also informing those close to me and those that continue to pester me. But, I'm no engrossed in my reapp now that I don't even neurotically check my email anymore or anticipate the next day. Hopefully, I get accepted, but I'm not gonna hold on a thread and just keep hoping.
 
Thanks, I received multiple interviews before November, so when I didn't have any acceptances, I was like well I should do something about it just in case. Maybe it was my interviewing ability and I was overconfident because I received many interviews. Who knows, but I'm leaving no stone unturned this time. It was hard accepting that I would have to reapply while also informing those close to me and those that continue to pester me. But, I'm no engrossed in my reapp now that I don't even neurotically check my email anymore or anticipate the next day. Hopefully, I get accepted, but I'm not gonna hold on a thread and just keep hoping.
Wishing the best for you!
 
@gyngyn have we given up on the our hope of potential WL movement? Or does your theory of June movement remain?
I'm still thinking things will pick up as we approach CTE deadlines.
 
At the end of the day everybody is different, and has different circumstances which has an influence on whether or not you would reapply immediately or wait a year. For me, it’s the latter. (Latter... see I’m already using MCAT passage type words again) 😆
 
Do you think it will be just as large as the movement that happened after April 30, or smaller?
We have seen so little movement in CA, I have to think it will be more...
 
We have seen so little movement in CA, I have to think it will be more...

Has your school given out less acceptances than in previous years?
I'm sure you've answered this before but it's probably 30 pages back....
 
We have seen so little movement in CA, I have to think it will be more...
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Has your school given out less acceptances than in previous years?
I'm sure you've answered this before but it's probably 30 pages back....
I'm not at liberty to answer this one!
 
If you expect more later, does this favor people without any As or is it irrelevant because schools will just poach?
Schools may (or may not) be inclined to accept someone who is CTE somewhere else. We have WL folks who are CTE somewhere.

PTE should not diminish odds of a WL acceptance as long as they know you prefer the WL school. In fact, one strategy might be to accept a similar PTE student over a "no decision" since the PTE will be removed from the pool sooner (as their CTE deadline approaches).
 
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Schools may (or may not) be inclined to accept someone who is CTE somewhere else. We have WL folks who are CTE somewhere.

PTE should not diminish odds of a WL acceptance as long as they know you prefer the WL school. In fact, one strategy might be to accept a similar PTE student over a "no decision" since the PTE will be removed from the pool sooner (as their CTE deadline approaches).
So people without an acceptances have nothing to gain by this potential final scramble since PTE people are more likely going to be selected?
 
So people without an acceptances have nothing to gain by this potential final scramble since PTE people are more likely going to be selected?
It is a potential strategy this far out from the start of school. Remember that the PTE kid is opening a seat somewhere!
It is also true that as orientation draws near, someone with no acceptances is a quick seat-filler.
 
It is a potential strategy this far out from the start of school. Remember that the PTE kid is opening a seat somewhere!
It is also true that as orientation draws near, someone with no acceptances is a quick seat-filler.
Thanks for your input
 
I know someone had mentioned going through SDN threads past and present. I did that for my current waitlist school and what I found was pretty yikes. I commented this on the school thread as well, putting it here just for the sake of more information about movement this year being out here.

This year there have been 12 SDN-reported acceptances starting from April 1st. 6 of those were on a Wednesday, 2 each on Tuesday and Thursday, and one each on Friday and Saturday.

Last year, the alternate list was created only slightly later than this year. That year, starting from April 1st until June 5th aka today (although there was not another acceptance until June 18th), there were also 12 SDN-reported acceptances starting from April 1st. 4 each on Tuesday and Thursday, 2 on Wednesday, and 1 each on Friday and Monday. They also sent out a wave of alternate list rejections around this time (May 31st last year), which I'd expect to be coming soon (possibly tomorrow, as it was on a Thursday last year). Overall, the threads are disturbingly similar, even down to the distribution of days of the week on which acceptances are given out, and the number of acceptances in each week. I know it's a very small and biased sampling, but the parallels are almost eerie lol.

The impression I'm getting here is that they have been relatively unaffected by the traffic rule changes. I also have gotten that impression during my email correspondence with them. At the risk of overemphasizing speculative analysis (besides, let's face it, overemphasis of speculative analysis is kind of the point of SDN), I will note that there were only 2 acceptances on the SDN thread after June 5th last year. This would mean that, very roughly, there's a good chance that over 80% of the post-April 1st movement is done.

I am really trying to see a more optimistic viewpoint here. But it seems that at least for my waitlist school (matriculant gpa average around 3.7, mcat around 510) we are well and truly ****ed :/ I am really hoping that I'm wrong and gyngyn is right tho lol

Someone in the Hofstra thread said that 60% of the current M2 class was accepted off the waitlist. There has been only 2 reported acceptances after April 30th. So....
 
There are no more rules, only suggestions.

🙂 Understood, but the "C" in CTE has a legal meaning, if anyone were properly motivated to enforce it, and that might induce schools to follow the "rules" as set forth in the "recommendations" published by AAMC. From the Protocols for Admissions Officers - "Making an offer of admission to an applicant who has already matriculated at another school could result in the other school having an unfilled slot in its class. Each school is encouraged to take reasonable measures, including asking applicants under consideration whether they have already matriculated at another medical school, and carefully consider that information when deciding whether to make an offer to an applicant."

Given that this whole new environment was precipitated by AAMC's fear of some remote possibility of litigation stemming from your ability to see other acceptances, it would be pretty ironic if individual schools would be willing to risk litigation by interfering with the contractual rights of peer institutions by luring away students who have made a binding "CTE" at another school!

You obviously know way more about this world than I ever will, but, tell me, when schools poached in the past, was there language similar to the CTE language involved with the matriculation? If not, then I would suggest that it is only safe to poach from schools that have not adopted the CTE protocol, if any. If so, then CTE doesn't mean anything and never will (so you might as well do away with it), in which case there is no reason for you or any of your peers to be stressing over your PTE/CTE ratios, since nothing means anything until classes start everywhere, the music stops, and all seats are filled!

If CTE is not going to be respected for the commitment that it represents, backed up by the threat of litigation against schools that poach if students are induced to break binding commitments by other schools, then there is just no reason to have it at all. In the real world, non-compete clauses have value because companies do not hesitate to sue competitors for damages when key employees are lured away.

I wouldn't be surprised if schools avoid the issue by actually following the "rules" and only accepting folks who have not CTE'd elsewhere once CTE deadlines roll around.
 
I applaud your foresight and ability to be proactive- well done!

Through hearing the experience of others I've been able to now understand circumstances when an immediate reapp is advisable and warranted.

This thread continues to be both comforting and informative.

Mind sharing those circumstances?
 
Why not consider to stay in an extended stay hotel the first month. This will give you time to look for a place. You might even find someone else looking for a roommate. This way, you will not be liable for breaking a lease agreement and it gives you mobility for last min changes. Good luck!
Oooh, good suggestion. Im WL at my state school, about 1hr from my house, and I’m PTE at a school across the country. The only hiccup is I want to bring my dog.
 
Mind sharing those circumstances?
Sure. Check out @MaelTheSun response to one of my earlier comments today. They described a scenario in which actionable feedback was received early, said feedback was addressed to improve their app, and they did not receive any guidance discouraging an immediate reapplication.
 
🙂 Understood, but the "C" in CTE has a legal meaning, if anyone were properly motivated to enforce it, and that might induce schools to follow the "rules" as set forth in the "recommendations" published by AAMC. From the Protocols for Admissions Officers - "Making an offer of admission to an applicant who has already matriculated at another school could result in the other school having an unfilled slot in its class. Each school is encouraged to take reasonable measures, including asking applicants under consideration whether they have already matriculated at another medical school, and carefully consider that information when deciding whether to make an offer to an applicant."

Given that this whole new environment was precipitated by AAMC's fear of some remote possibility of litigation stemming from your ability to see other acceptances, it would be pretty ironic if individual schools would be willing to risk litigation by interfering with the contractual rights of peer institutions by luring away students who have made a binding "CTE" at another school!

You obviously know way more about this world than I ever will, but, tell me, when schools poached in the past, was there language similar to the CTE language involved with the matriculation? If not, then I would suggest that it is only safe to poach from schools that have not adopted the CTE protocol, if any. If so, then CTE doesn't mean anything and never will (so you might as well do away with it), in which case there is no reason for you or any of your peers to be stressing over your PTE/CTE ratios, since nothing means anything until classes start everywhere, the music stops, and all seats are filled!

If CTE is not going to be respected for the commitment that it represents, backed up by the threat of litigation against schools that poach if students are induced to break binding commitments by other schools, then there is just no reason to have it at all. In the real world, non-compete clauses have value because companies do not hesitate to sue competitors for damages when key employees are lured away.

I wouldn't be surprised if schools avoid the issue by actually following the "rules" and only accepting folks who have not CTE'd elsewhere once CTE deadlines roll around.
You haven't spent enough time around lawyers. You'll see elsewhere in that same set of guidelines published by AAMC words like "must." Areas that say "must" could be enforced more easily by AAMC against a school. Here they use "encouraged to take reasonable measures" and "carefully consider." These are intentionally weak and non-binding. The school doing the poaching only has to meet those weak standards before deciding to poach. Now, if the student matriculates and signs paperwork that is more binding, then the student could face litigation or some kind of penalty like forfeiting tuition. As @gyngyn put it, these are only suggestions to the schools.
 
It is a potential strategy this far out from the start of school. Remember that the PTE kid is opening a seat somewhere!
It is also true that as orientation draws near, someone with no acceptances is a quick seat-filler.
Why not go with the no-acceptances applicant right away? Wouldn't this ensure a quick seat-fill earlier in the process?
 
You know what I don't really get? None of us are being specific when it comes to the medical schools we're referring to.
"I'm waitlisted at a school. . . " "there's been no movement at my school. . . " "I heard there's been movement there. . . " " I called my school and they said blah blah about WL movement" "yay! I got accepted to my top choice. . ." None of these comments are particularly useful.


I'm just confused why we don't mention the schools that we're waitlisted at. Are you guys afraid that some adcom is gonna see it and somehow piece together your identity and then proceed to pull you off the WL?

I don't know about you guys, but it would be kinda nice to hear about SPECIFIC school info and movement instead of everyone being secretive.
 
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You know what I don't really get? None of use are being specific when it comes to the medical schools we're referring to.
"I'm waitlisted at a school. . . " "there's been no movement at my school. . . " "I heard there's been movement there. . . " " I called my school and they said blah blah about WL movement." None of these comments are particularly useful.


I'm just confused why we don't mention the schools that we're waitlisted at. Are you guys afraid that some adcom is gonna see it and somehow piece together your identity and then proceed to pull you off the WL?

I don't know about you guys, but it would be kinda nice to hear about SPECIFIC school info and movement instead of everyone being secretive.
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You know what I don't really get? None of use are being specific when it comes to the medical schools we're referring to.
"I'm waitlisted at a school. . . " "there's been no movement at my school. . . " "I heard there's been movement there. . . " " I called my school and they said blah blah about WL movement." None of these comments are particularly useful.


I'm just confused why we don't mention the schools that we're waitlisted at. Are you guys afraid that some adcom is gonna see it and somehow piece together your identity and then proceed to pull you off the WL?

I don't know about you guys, but it would be kinda nice to hear about SPECIFIC school info and movement instead of everyone being secretive.

That is precisely the concern though. I can't imagine anybody on this thread wants adcom to associate them with the neuroticism and incoherence we've all been guilty of here :laugh: If you're really curious about something, ask to PM a person. This thread has been plenty helpful so far, the truth is that we just don't have any real answers, nor will we until this is done. Yay for being the guinea pigs!
 
You know what I don't really get? None of use are being specific when it comes to the medical schools we're referring to.
"I'm waitlisted at a school. . . " "there's been no movement at my school. . . " "I heard there's been movement there. . . " " I called my school and they said blah blah about WL movement." None of these comments are particularly useful.


I'm just confused why we don't mention the schools that we're waitlisted at. Are you guys afraid that some adcom is gonna see it and somehow piece together your identity and then proceed to pull you off the WL?

I don't know about you guys, but it would be kinda nice to hear about SPECIFIC school info and movement instead of everyone being secretive.

Let me be clear, Hofstra’s waitlist movement has been frustratingly slow this year.
 
Why not go with the no-acceptances applicant right away? Wouldn't this ensure a quick seat-fill earlier in the process?
Let's say there are 20 really good candidates that the committee loved.
Half of them are PTE at another school but have told you that they would prefer to come off the waitlist at your school. If you don't accept them before their school's CTE deadline (or before they move) you will lose them entirely.

The "no decision" candidates will probably still be available later in cycle if you need them.
 
Let's say there are 20 really good candidates that the committee loved.
Half of them are PTE at another school but have told you that they would prefer to come off the waitlist at your school. If you don't accept them before their school's CTE deadline (or before they move) you will lose them entirely.

The "no decision" candidates will probably still be available later in cycle if you need them.
Ah ha, thank you!
 
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