2018-2019 Waitlist Support Thread

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M&L said:
sooo.. whats the agreement now: do we see less WL movement than we did last year by this time of the year?
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Probably less, but I think it's worth asking if there will be proportionally more in June/July/later in the season compared to last year, because there may be less due to better admissions software or something.

@gyngyn do you still stand by your claim that most waitlist movement is yet to come?
 
@gyngyn do you think this increased WL movement (especially at T-20 schools) will happen in June or in July? I'm just wondering because a lot of CTE deadlines are in July and if schools wait until then to take a lot of people off the WL, then they'll lose a bunch of people because they'll be forced to commit to other schools (and they'll basically be able to take only people who haven't been accepted anywhere or the tiny minority of people who have really late CTE deadlines). Also, I just wanted to say thank you for helping to shed some light on this crazy admissions process this cycle. You're helping to make this whole mess more bearable
 
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phillykat96 said:
Some schools do require PTE, I have personally been emailed to choose the CYMS tool and had to comply so I am not risking my acceptance.
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This is exactly my point -- if all schools did this, something approaching normal WL movement would have been occurring since 5/1. In fact, if all schools did this, then the WL movement everyone is expecting in June will not materialize, since nobody will be holding multiple acceptances, the release of which is necessary to create WL movement in the first place! So the working theory has to be, while some schools like yours did what was envisioned by AAMC, a lot of schools flew blind into the end of this cycle and did not, thereby creating the chaos all of the nice people sweating out their WL status are now experiencing.
 
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If a school said to only update them with new MCAT or Grades does that mean it’s a bad idea to send a letter of intent?
 
If only the AAMC would recognize that the implementation of their new “rule” has not been successful this year and in fact, a huge disaster.

As a result, until the AAMC can establish a better strategy for next year, they should run the MAR report now and provide it to the colleges. Next year, or when appropriate, they can implement the new “rules” with better mandatory guidelines, applicable to ALL. More importantly though, they need the input from the colleges and a task team to address potential scenarios ahead of time.

I am curious as to how the leadership of the AAMC is chosen? Who governs them? Clearly, they didn’t think this all the way through and left too many doors open for failure. As a whole, I suspect the colleges have more combined power than they realize as maybe it is time to organize that power?
 
Medmomtoo said:
If only the AAMC would recognize that the implementation of their new “rule” has not been successful this year and in fact, a huge disaster.

As a result, until the AAMC can establish a better strategy for next year, they should run the MAR report now and provide it to the colleges. Next year, or when appropriate, they can implement the new “rules” with better mandatory guidelines, applicable to ALL. More importantly though, they need the input from the colleges and a task team to address potential scenarios ahead of time.

I am curious as to how the leadership of the AAMC is chosen? Who governs them? Clearly, they didn’t think this all the way through and left too many doors open for failure. As a whole, I suspect the colleges have more combined power than they realize as maybe it is time to organize that power?
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in their point of view this isn't failure at all.. it didn't affect the revenue they usually make every year, in fact, this might lead to increased profit from re-application. "success" in their point of view as a business entity is money, not students going to their dream schools.
 
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Goro said:
For my DO school, June has always been the busiest WL month, and since MD schools are now in the DO world of Admissions thanks to the loss of the MAR, I'd venture to guess that you are correct.
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I apologize if this has already been answered in this thread: What exactly is the reason that DO school waitlist movement mainly occurs in June? Is there an enforceable requirement that people with multiple DO acceptances be committed to only one school by that point?
 
premedalt said:
I apologize if this has already been answered in this thread: What exactly is the reason that DO school waitlist movement mainly occurs in June? Is there an enforceable requirement that people with multiple DO acceptances be committed to only one school by that point?
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Because they are working blind. They have no idea who received an MD offer. They have no idea what other DO schools that you were accepted to either

Oftentimes better to wait to take people off the DO waitlist until adcoms are sure that they’re going to attend a DO school.

Not sure if DO wait list will be delayed by MD wait list delay.
 
After reading and engaging with almost 3 thousand posts on this thread, and after a very long and exhaustive speculation from every participant, I’ve looked at the general consensus on this matter and, with my humbled opinion, I came up with my own interpretation and here is what I think is happening:
I have no ******* idea what’s going on
 
futuredoc0307 said:
that would be an attack on my legal (and perfectly peaceful) use of the first amendment. lol jk of course
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Actually, this site is a private entity, and so your posts on this forum are not protected by the First Amendment. 😉
 
ZFox said:
Because they are working blind. They have no idea who received an MD offer. They have no idea what other DO schools that you were accepted to either

Oftentimes better to wait to take people off the DO waitlist until adcoms are sure that they’re going to attend a DO school.

Not sure if DO wait list will be delayed by MD wait list delay.
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But why June as opposed to later like July? Wouldn't **they have a better idea who is actually attending then?
 
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confused2266 said:
@gyngyn do you think this increased WL movement (especially at T-20 schools) will happen in June or in July? I'm just wondering because a lot of CTE deadlines are in July and if schools wait until then to take a lot of people off the WL, then they'll lose a bunch of people because they'll be forced to commit to other schools (and they'll basically be able to take only people who haven't been accepted anywhere or the tiny minority of people who have really late CTE deadlines). Also, I just wanted to say thank you for helping to shed some light on this crazy admissions process this cycle. You're helping to make this whole mess more bearable
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I'm going to go with June.
I'm guessing that this stalemate will last until then and continue until mid July.
This theory is based on the presumption that most places under-accepted (compared to historical norms).
Of course, it's also possible (though I think less likely) that their caution translated into shooting a little "lower" than usual instead of under-accepting. That would lead to much less WL movement overall.
Anyone who over-accepted with the second strategy is sweating bullets right now.
 
@gyngyn From your experiences, do you see consistent/near-consistent waitlist acceptances? For example, the school I am waitlisted at has an average of 28 waitlist acceptances over 8 years with the minimum being 21 and maximum being 34 (otherwise it is typically 27-31). So far this year, only 11 individuals have been accepted. Would you presume this to be a product of the new rules, or could it just be an unusual year? Trying to understand myself, but I have no experience with this.
 
gyngyn said:
I'm going to go with June.
I'm guessing that this stalemate will last until then and continue until mid July.
This theory is based on the presumption that most places under-accepted (compared to historical norms).
Of course, it's also possible (though I think less likely) that their caution translated into shooting a little "lower" than usual instead of under-accepting. That would lead to much less WL movement overall.
Anyone who over-accepted with the second strategy is sweating bullets right now.
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Question! If a school has accepted at least 1 off WL so far does that mean they are currently exactly at (or below) class size?
 
futuredoc0307 said:
Question! If a school has accepted at least 1 off WL so far does that mean they are currently exactly at (or below) class size?
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Most likely. Or, they could be so flustered by the real meaning of "PTE" that they are buying a little insurance.
 
biochemandbass said:
@gyngyn From your experiences, do you see consistent/near-consistent waitlist acceptances? For example, the school I am waitlisted at has an average of 28 waitlist acceptances over 8 years with the minimum being 21 and maximum being 34 (otherwise it is typically 27-31). So far this year, only 11 individuals have been accepted. Would you presume this to be a product of the new rules, or could it just be an unusual year? Trying to understand myself, but I have no experience with this.
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As long as they are accepting from the waitlist now, the odds are good that their strategy for this weird year has worked.
They may well reach their historic norm by the end of the cycle.
 
@gyngyn I know that this time of year people usually settle into what they have so they start withdrawing themselves from waitlists at schools they don’t want to go to.

Have you noticed any change? Are less people withdrawing from your school’s waitlist than before?
 
Does anyone know the timing between signing the FASFA promissory note, accepting aid at the specific, and loans being issued to the school?

I am trying to work out how long I can continue to wait on the MD school without screwing myself over for my DO program. Every time I think I have "given up" or "waited long enough," there seems to be a spark of hope reignited within me or something falls through with regard to the DO school (housing, roommates, etc) and I start to feel that it's the universe sending me a sign. Looking forward to this horrible process being over.
 
ClamShell said:
@gyngyn I know that this time of year people usually settle into what they have so they start withdrawing themselves from waitlists at schools they don’t want to go to.

Have you noticed any change? Are less people withdrawing from your school’s waitlist than before?
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Nope.
 
I can't speak for other schools, but I know for a fact that Rochester massively under-accepted and is waiting for more WL movement before they start pulling off their WL.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Actually, this site is a private entity, and so your posts on this forum are not protected by the First Amendment. 😉
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Actually, that's up in the air right now. There's a case in front of the SCOTUS right now (Manhattan Community Access Corp. v. Halleck) that legal analysts expect will determine whether private (non-profit) entities will be allowed to limit free speech on social media. If the court rules in favor of Halleck, then moderators on social media websites will have to tread far more carefully when removing posts and disciplining users for the content of their speech.
 
Osminog said:
Actually, that's up in the air right now. There's a case in front of the SCOTUS right now (Manhattan Community Access Corp. v. Halleck) that legal analysts expect will determine whether private (non-profit) entities will be allowed to limit free speech on social media. If the court rules in favor of Halleck, then moderators on social media websites will have to tread far more carefully when removing posts and disciplining users for the content of their speech.
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It's not up in the air. Until they make a ruling in favor of Halleck, the law of the land is that private entities can restrict speech. If they come down with a ruling that requires non-profits to fall under the First Amendment, then it will change. That is interesting though. Thanks for posting.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
It's not up in the air. Until they make a ruling in favor of Halleck, the law of the land is that private entities can restrict speech. If they come down with a ruling that requires non-profits to fall under the First Amendment, then it will change. That is interesting though. Thanks for posting.
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FWIW, here are the SDN Terms of Service: Our Vision, Values and Policies

Saying that you want to pursue legal options against AMCAS doesn't violate the TOS.
 
premedalt said:
I apologize if this has already been answered in this thread: What exactly is the reason that DO school waitlist movement mainly occurs in June? Is there an enforceable requirement that people with multiple DO acceptances be committed to only one school by that point?
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Expensive deposits come due.
MD waitlist movement was highest in June
 
WildWing said:
FWIW, here are the SDN Terms of Service: Our Vision, Values and Policies

Saying that you want to pursue legal options against AMCAS doesn't violate the TOS.
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I didn’t say it did. He made a joke about exercising his first amendment rights, and I joked back pointing out that the first amendment doesn’t apply to private entities with a winky face. It was a light-hearted interaction.
 
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