2020 Cycle Waitlist Support Thread

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ihopetibiadoc said:
Does this mean you asked the school that you had to cte at if you could extend the deadline?
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No I actually just posed a general question about when the CTE deadline was and if I did not CTE by then if I’d risk losing my seat. Their response stated the deadline and said if I didn’t make it I wouldn’t lose my seat. They said all they asked was that we CTE as soon as we can. Their admissions office is winning hella points from me tbh
 
TigerKing123 said:
No I actually just posed a general question about when the CTE deadline was and if I did not CTE by then if I’d risk losing my seat. Their response stated the deadline and said if I didn’t make it I wouldn’t lose my seat. They said all they asked was that we CTE as soon as we can. Their admissions office is winning hella points from me tbh
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call me paranoid, but I would not trust this at all
 
penguinsfan71 said:
When you CTE, every school that you have an acceptance at is notified. Some will automatically rescind your acceptance, others will reach out to you to confirm your decision.
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When you CTE to a school, are you automatically taken off the Waitlists you're on?
 
Anyone seeing MD waitlist movements now that its passed July 1st? Just a last bit of hope.
 
CinnamonA said:
@gyngyn if you don’t mind, how many students at your school are still PTE and not CTE at this point? And have you had any CTE’s unexpectedly withdraw?
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ScaredLittlePremed said:
To those in schools where the CTE deadline has passed, do you know if any waitlisted person got in after? Should I consider it a rejection if a school im waitlisted at is passed the CTE deadline?
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You should consider that it is July, the CTE deadline has passed. While your chances aren’t zero, most schools will have only a handful of acceptances left to give out. Odds are against you at this point, and it’s time to really think about Prewriting secondaries And preparing your re-app
 
CinnamonA said:
@gyngyn if you don’t mind, how many students at your school are still PTE and not CTE at this point? And have you had any CTE’s unexpectedly withdraw?
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gyngyn said:
We have almost all CTE now.
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@CinnamonA you should also take into consideration the school you're specifically wondering about. At this point, across the board, I'm sure there are far more people CTE'd than PTE'd. However, certain schools (favorably located, "top tier," cheap/free tuition, etc) will have more people jumping in to commit than other schools. Just conjecture, but I'm willing to bet the schools with the most people still not CTE'd being "low tier" schools in favorable locations that have a number of local "top tier" schools that those PTE'd students are hoping to get off the WL for.

Or I'm completely wrong 😆
 
AnonymousDoctorGuyPerson said:
@CinnamonA you should also take into consideration the school you're specifically wondering about. At this point, across the board, I'm sure there are far more people CTE'd than PTE'd. However, certain schools (favorably located, "top tier," etc) will have more people jumping in to commit than other schools. Just conjecture, but I'm willing to be the schools with the most people still not CTE'd being "low tier" schools in favorable locations that have a number of local "top tier" schools that those PTE'd students are hoping to get off the WL for.

Or I'm completely wrong 😆
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Absolutely agreed! My questions came from genuine curiosity about how COVID/AAMC not enforcing CTE/things look like this cycle as of right now. I’ve already **mostly come to grips with WL movement not happening. Resubmitted my (improved) application and prewritten selective secondaries, and I’m moving states for a masters program too. Like, I’ve full on broken up with this cycle (willing to come back if they call though).

**obviously I want to float one last optimistic conspiracy before I wave the white flag. State schools are required to accept a minimum number of students each year or face fines. I’d assume a state’s governor would be especially agitated about the PR of their medical school under-enrolling during a pandemic too. Not that I wrote a letter to my state’s governor or anything....
So, I’m curious about if we have any seats (1-2 tops) pop open at state schools right before orientation to prevent a situation like this.
 
liblib2019 said:
I see. Are schools able to see this? I.e what is the likelihood that a CTEer keeps their WL, gets off, and the withdraws their CTE from the original school...
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Schools can see whether or not you've CTE'd somewhere, but not the specific school. It's up to each individual school to decide if they'll pull people off their waitlist that have already CTE'd to another school.
 
CinnamonA said:
Absolutely agreed! My questions came from genuine curiosity about how COVID/AAMC not enforcing CTE/things look like this cycle as of right now. I’ve already **mostly come to grips with WL movement not happening. Resubmitted my (improved) application and prewritten selective secondaries, and I’m moving states for a masters program too. Like, I’ve full on broken up with this cycle (willing to come back if they call though).

**obviously I want to float one last optimistic conspiracy before I wave the white flag. State schools are required to accept a minimum number of students each year or face fines. I’d assume a state’s governor would be especially agitated about the PR of their medical school under-enrolling during a pandemic too. Not that I wrote a letter to my state’s governor or anything....
So, I’m curious about if we have any seats (1-2 tops) pop open at state schools right before orientation to prevent a situation like this.
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Magic thinking is never good. Admissions Deans aren't idiots
 
Talldoctor96 said:
You should consider that it is July, the CTE deadline has passed. While your chances aren’t zero, most schools will have only a handful of acceptances left to give out. Odds are against you at this point, and it’s time to really think about Prewriting secondaries And preparing your re-app
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Actually, all people are rejected until they get that Accept email in their Inbox, and should be working on their Plan B, as you wisely suggest.
 
Currently WL at one DO. How does CTE play a role in wait list movement for DO schools? Do DO schools have something similar ? Are DO schools able to see if a WL student has other MD acceotances?
 
hellohelpwithfuture said:
Currently WL at one DO. How does CTE play a role in wait list movement for DO schools? Do DO schools have something similar ? Are DO schools able to see if a WL student has other MD acceotances?
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No but what may happen (hopefully) is as students get in to MD programs their spots at DO schools will open up.
 
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At this late date is there any hope for waitlist movement? Also, are there some people who are holding more than one acceptance? I am wondering if the only chance of movement now is if an accepted student opts to defer.
 
Slim chances, but still some movement. There are always schools that accept someone the day before class begins. That said, there m could be 100 waitlist acceptances (made up number to put things in perspective) out of the over 20,000 seats.

I don't think anyone can truly comment on the multiple acceptances at this point. Seeing as how people come off the waitlist the day before, there must be deferrals, applicants dropping out, or multiple acceptances to account for it.
 
RJ McReady said:
This is the DO school, correct, not the MD school (Cooper)?
Just want to clarify bc I think Cooper’s class has been full for a while now.
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Rowan is the DO school.
 
I came into this cycle so confident that I would be getting into medical school. I had the stats (3.7 (strong upward trend 4.0s for last 2 years)/516), I had volunteering, I had unique extracurriculars, I had research, I had publications (first author, posters, manuscripts), I had leadership. I was so confident that I listened to my advisors when they told me I didn’t need to apply for DO. Now here I am with 1 interview and 1 waitlist (Wayne state). I requested feedback from every school I applied to (26 total) and only had 3 schools agree, all of whom said there were no red flags and that I was a very strong applicant but that it just came down to numbers. I almost wish they would tell me something was wrong so I could see where I need to improve. I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
 
premed1324 said:
I came into this cycle so confident that I would be getting into medical school. I had the stats (3.7 (strong upward trend 4.0s for last 2 years)/516), I had volunteering, I had unique extracurriculars, I had research, I had publications (first author, posters, manuscripts), I had leadership. I was so confident that I listened to my advisors when they told me I didn’t need to apply for DO. Now here I am with 1 interview and 1 waitlist (Wayne state). I requested feedback from every school I applied to (26 total) and only had 3 schools agree, all of whom said there were no red flags and that I was a very strong applicant but that it just came down to numbers. I almost wish they would tell me something was wrong so I could see where I need to improve. I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
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Did you apply late? Did you mention the wrong school in your essays at some point? How many schools did you apply to? Trust me this happens to a lot of people! Including myself! It is just competitive out there, everyone is amazing. Set up a meeting with admissions and see what they say. Regardless of all this, your life isn't over. Believe in yourself and keep fighting for your dreams!
 
premed1324 said:
I came into this cycle so confident that I would be getting into medical school. I had the stats (3.7 (strong upward trend 4.0s for last 2 years)/516), I had volunteering, I had unique extracurriculars, I had research, I had publications (first author, posters, manuscripts), I had leadership. I was so confident that I listened to my advisors when they told me I didn’t need to apply for DO. Now here I am with 1 interview and 1 waitlist (Wayne state). I requested feedback from every school I applied to (26 total) and only had 3 schools agree, all of whom said there were no red flags and that I was a very strong applicant but that it just came down to numbers. I almost wish they would tell me something was wrong so I could see where I need to improve. I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
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Are you straight out of undergrad?
 
premed1324 said:
I came into this cycle so confident that I would be getting into medical school. I had the stats (3.7 (strong upward trend 4.0s for last 2 years)/516), I had volunteering, I had unique extracurriculars, I had research, I had publications (first author, posters, manuscripts), I had leadership. I was so confident that I listened to my advisors when they told me I didn’t need to apply for DO. Now here I am with 1 interview and 1 waitlist (Wayne state). I requested feedback from every school I applied to (26 total) and only had 3 schools agree, all of whom said there were no red flags and that I was a very strong applicant but that it just came down to numbers. I almost wish they would tell me something was wrong so I could see where I need to improve. I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
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I know it’s frustrating and I was in your same shoes as a reapplicant. What this tells me is you had a solid app but it didn’t stand out enough. You need to inject more YOU into your writing. You need to be more specific, reflect more, dig deeper. You need to stand out from that crowd. Refine your story, make it more personal,
 
premed1324 said:
I came into this cycle so confident that I would be getting into medical school. I had the stats (3.7 (strong upward trend 4.0s for last 2 years)/516), I had volunteering, I had unique extracurriculars, I had research, I had publications (first author, posters, manuscripts), I had leadership. I was so confident that I listened to my advisors when they told me I didn’t need to apply for DO. Now here I am with 1 interview and 1 waitlist (Wayne state). I requested feedback from every school I applied to (26 total) and only had 3 schools agree, all of whom said there were no red flags and that I was a very strong applicant but that it just came down to numbers. I almost wish they would tell me something was wrong so I could see where I need to improve. I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
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Do not be discouraged as you have very good stats. My college advisor advised me to take 2 gap years to mature, grow, and add to my ECs. I took his advise, against my father's wish, and worked as a scribe for two years and volunteered with an organization that helps people navigate the difficulties dealing with cancer. I gained so much from that experience. The experience gave me more purpose and I became more driven to help others by becoming a doctor. I applied this past cycle to 32 MD schools, recieced 11 interviews, attended 8, accepted to 5 schools, and waitlisted at 3 schools that I withdrew from once I got accepted to my top school. My gpa was a 3.98, but my MCAT was average for a matriculant to an MD school. I am an ORM from CA. You will have lots of success if you take time to grow and mature. I owe my success to my wise college advisor and friend. You got this. GL.
 
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Thank you all for your kindness and support, I truly appreciate it. To answer some of your questions, I applied on the first date the applications opened, and had all my secondaries out fairly quickly (the longest was 3 weeks). I applied to 26 schools total. I did take a gap year after graduating where I was able to work in clinical research as well as an ER Tech. (I've sent schools updates on these experiences throughout the cycle)
 
premed1324 said:
Thank you all for your kindness and support, I truly appreciate it. To answer some of your questions, I applied on the first date the applications opened, and had all my secondaries out fairly quickly (the longest was 3 weeks). I applied to 26 schools total. I did take a gap year after graduating where I was able to work in clinical research as well as an ER Tech. (I've sent schools updates on these experiences throughout the cycle)
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I'm so sorry that the cycle was slower than expected - continue reaching out to your WL school with a letter of intent, and just your overall desire to be a candidate there. It may work, but if it doesn't, don't give up! You're now ahead of the game since you have everything complete, and use your secondaries this time to write about what you've learned this cycle and more importantly, portray your patience and dedication. Fingers crossed things will work for you and remember, everyone is in their own timeline so you are exactly where you need to be 🙂
 
Kenken514 said:
I got myself mentally prepared to start prewriting my secondaries today but woke up to a rejection email from one of my waitlist schools and now all that energy and motivation has been sapped. 🙁 2 WLs left
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Damn with those stats? Give yourself a day to feel what you need to feel, then get back at it.
 
Kenken514 said:
I got myself mentally prepared to start prewriting my secondaries today but woke up to a rejection email from one of my waitlist schools and now all that energy and motivation has been sapped. 🙁 2 WLs left
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Don't be discouraged. Keep at it. You do not have any red flags with 3 interviews. Work on your interviewing skills. Maybe get a consultant to help you improve. you will eventually get that A, its a matter of when. Hopefully, in the next couple of weeks. Sending you positive vibes. You got this.
 
premed1324 said:
Thank you all for your kindness and support, I truly appreciate it. To answer some of your questions, I applied on the first date the applications opened, and had all my secondaries out fairly quickly (the longest was 3 weeks). I applied to 26 schools total. I did take a gap year after graduating where I was able to work in clinical research as well as an ER Tech. (I've sent schools updates on these experiences throughout the cycle)
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What I recommend doing is emailing the schools that you would really love to attend but are also reasonable for your stats around January if you haven’t gotten interviews yet. Tell them specifically why you would be a good fit and why you love that school. Be honest and authentic. I did this with one of the schools I really loved in January, and got an interview invite 48 hours later. A lot of people are nervous about emailing schools a lot or bothering adcoms, but I felt the whatever risk there was it was worth it. This also applies to everyone sitting on WLs with no As right now for this cycle. Email the adcom you’re WL and give them all the reasons why you love their school, why you would be a good fit, and how thankful you would be. Could be a page or two long tbh. I really felt like reaching out to schools helped me a lot this cycle. Good luck everyone !
 
premed1324 said:
I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
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The only thing I can figure is that something in the writing was problematic. In the PS or secondary essays. Before you drop a couple more thousand you may want to invest in a company to look over what you're writing. I find Grammarly Premium is a great self-tool also. I wonder if your apply list was unrealistic for your scores and residency?
 
openstage said:
The only thing I can figure is that something in the writing was problematic. In the PS or secondary essays. Before you drop a couple more thousand you may want to invest in a company to look over what you're writing. I find Grammarly Premium is a great self-tool also. I wonder if your apply list was unrealistic for your scores and residency?
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Don’t pay money there are people on sdn and Reddit more than willing to do for free
 
premed1324 said:
I came into this cycle so confident that I would be getting into medical school. I had the stats (3.7 (strong upward trend 4.0s for last 2 years)/516), I had volunteering, I had unique extracurriculars, I had research, I had publications (first author, posters, manuscripts), I had leadership. I was so confident that I listened to my advisors when they told me I didn’t need to apply for DO. Now here I am with 1 interview and 1 waitlist (Wayne state). I requested feedback from every school I applied to (26 total) and only had 3 schools agree, all of whom said there were no red flags and that I was a very strong applicant but that it just came down to numbers. I almost wish they would tell me something was wrong so I could see where I need to improve. I feel so lost and defeated with no motivation to do this process again.
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I had a 3.4 science and 3.8 overall and a 505 on my mcat, older white male, and I got 2 MD interviews and 3 DO interviews. No research or science background, all finance. I got 3 waitlists and 1 acceptance. However my essays were very well written, I only applied to 10 schools that I knew were a close match and I never acted like I deserve or should get anything. I don’t know about anyone here but attitude in an interview says a lot. If someone with high stats isn’t getting interviews, work on your essays or find schools that may be a better match in terms of mission, location, etc. If someone is getting a lot of interviews but not acceptances, check your attitude or motivation in medicine.
 
So I'm still sitting on a few WLs without any acceptance offers. I've renewed my lease, submitted my primary, finished about half of my secondaries and am feeling positive about my chances re-applying (obviously that doesn't mean much but I do feel that I've improved my app in a significant way).

I'm wondering if I would be blacklisted if I were to withdraw from these schools? I've sent appropriate update letters and letters of interest/intent etc. so I've made my interests pretty clear, but now the idea of coming off one of these lists days before (or even after apparently) school starts and then needing to uproot my life in the middle of a global pandemic seems not ideal. That's not to say I am any less interested in these schools or becoming a doctor, but given the situation and that it is the middle of July, is this reasonable or am I just crazy/not thinking straight?

Would really appreciate any thoughts on this, thanks!
 
sonaldo said:
So I'm still sitting on a few WLs without any acceptance offers. I've renewed my lease, submitted my primary, finished about half of my secondaries and am feeling positive about my chances re-applying (obviously that doesn't mean much but I do feel that I've improved my app in a significant way).

I'm wondering if I would be blacklisted if I were to withdraw from these schools? I've sent appropriate update letters and letters of interest/intent etc. so I've made my interests pretty clear, but now the idea of coming off one of these lists days before (or even after apparently) school starts and then needing to uproot my life in the middle of a global pandemic seems not ideal. That's not to say I am any less interested in these schools or becoming a doctor, but given the situation and that it is the middle of July, is this reasonable or am I just crazy/not thinking straight?

Would really appreciate any thoughts on this, thanks!
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I would stay on the waitlists if I were you. I don’t think you’d be blacklisted at all. But if you had the chance to start this year, it would be worth uprooting your life (if you can get out of your lease). I get how you feel though, I too want this drawn out process to end.
 
sonaldo said:
So I'm still sitting on a few WLs without any acceptance offers. I've renewed my lease, submitted my primary, finished about half of my secondaries and am feeling positive about my chances re-applying (obviously that doesn't mean much but I do feel that I've improved my app in a significant way).

I'm wondering if I would be blacklisted if I were to withdraw from these schools? I've sent appropriate update letters and letters of interest/intent etc. so I've made my interests pretty clear, but now the idea of coming off one of these lists days before (or even after apparently) school starts and then needing to uproot my life in the middle of a global pandemic seems not ideal. That's not to say I am any less interested in these schools or becoming a doctor, but given the situation and that it is the middle of July, is this reasonable or am I just crazy/not thinking straight?

Would really appreciate any thoughts on this, thanks!
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I feel the same way you do as someone who's also on multiple waitlists, has no acceptances, and also has several job applications out for research positions at medical schools (interestingly, some at places I was rejected from lol). I sure hope withdrawing when we have a secure positions (like a new job, a lease) doesn't blacklist us. It's clear that we want to become doctors, but as you say, uprooting our lives just as we've taken root (temporarily) in the middle of a pandemic really ought to be something that is considered by medical schools if you do withdraw.

At one of the schools I'm waitlisted at (Tulane), we were explicitly told that we may withdraw from their waitlist at this point because it's so late in the cycle. I kinda read that as an implicit "please do this if you don't wanna be accepted one day before classes starts". If you have something lined up that you think is surely worth delaying medical school for a year, then I'd say you're being reasonable to think about this!

On the bright side, we may never have to actually worry about this problem. A lot of schools are starting class in 2-3 weeks and we'll have to commit to our non-med school plans for a while.
 
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