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@toastedbutter genuinely curious can you give insight. would be cool as well once match list for it comes out to see how many are top academic.

8 is stupid mode. how many of those are "normal" nsg applicants vs insanely hooked X factor / mdphd / etc

Bro the "normal" NSGY applicant is MD/PHD (not really but might as well), so many NSGY applicants go MSTP route because the number of publications they need to be competitive it just makes sense. Not to mention going to med school for free iirc. I think "x" factor is not as much a thing unless you happened to do something ground breaking while in med school. Its more like who did your LOR and how strong a LOR it was. idk anything about duke NSGY department, thats not really a field of interest for me, but if they have some world renown ppl in the department who give strong letters, thats could be a factor.

 

[shy_hulud]

@toastedbutter genuinely curious can you give insight. would be cool as well once match list for it comes out to see how many are top academic.

Feel free to also DM if you have match list Qs (this year's list will also be posted at 2nd look). However I will say that it's pretty much the norm for ppl to match top academic if that's what they want. In most years, Duke is always the #1 match spot, followed by MGH/BWH, one of the top West coast programs (last year was Stanford, this year is UCSF), and then usually Penn/Washu/Columbia/Northwestern (location preference driven)

At least for last year's list, I don't recall seeing anyone only get a 1 year prelim spot with no follow up residency listed.

 

[toastedbutter]

@toastedbutter genuinely curious can you give insight. would be cool as well once match list for it comes out to see how many are top academic.

8 is stupid mode. how many of those are "normal" nsg applicants vs insanely hooked X factor / mdphd / etc

We don’t have the exact match list with names yet, only access to the same thing that you guys saw on the website. I am not aware of all the details of our current M4 class. As you can imagine, it’s hard to connect with students who are several years above you. All I can say is, Duke has historically matched really well. The trends you’re seeing with this class could just be reflection of more students being interested in surgery. The match next year could be equally lopsided appearing for IM or PMNR.

There’s nothing special in the water here lol. All the things you guys have already discussed that make the program here a phenomenal choice apply, but I would be lying if I said a super motivated student who happens to be at Duke couldn’t use resources at a different school and come out with a good outcome. I think lack of competitiveness, really supportive faculty, and an institution with home residency programs that are extremely reputable across the board sets our students up very well. I would say that that I would not be surprised if my current class, M1 2028, had a similar looking match in a few years because we have several dozen students interested in “competitive” specialties. But more than that, everyone in my class is motivated, a good person to be around, and spoiled with an abundance of resources that will get them to where they want to be.

Feel free to DM with questions, but keep in mind I don’t have any special insider info.

 

[toastedbutter]

that adds up to me. duke over hopkins because of weather/location or what else

Good med students will get where they need to and want to be. Choosing between med schools largely comes down to what you think will help you be the best version of yourself + your maximum potential when you’re there. Obviously curricular things, environment and vibes are a big part of that which Duke does an amazing job of. But other more personal factors matter a lot too.

 

[TIN25]

This may be a stupid question- but to what degree is Duke’s match list self-selection, with more students being interested in competitive surgical specialities? I just looked at Yale’s match list and it appears they had 3 ortho and 2 neuro? Given Yale is an equally prestigious institution their students also shouldn’t have a hard time matching to their specialty or program of choice right?

 

[xDNA]

This may be a stupid question- but to what degree is Duke’s match list self-selection, with more students being interested in competitive surgical specialities? I just looked at Yale’s match list and it appears they had 3 ortho and 2 neuro? Given Yale is an equally prestigious institution their students also shouldn’t have a hard time matching to their specialty or program of choice right?

Thats because alot of people only look at the competitive specialties, but if you wanted to match a less competitive specialty but at Yale, UCSF, Harvard...etc you still have to be extremely competitive. Also, you have to think most of the competitive stuff are surgical subspecialties: NSGY, Ortho, ENT, PRS..the exception is Derm. So looking at your example of Yale, sure they only had 3 ortho, and 2 NSGY but how many of their other specialties matched into prestigious institutions, i'd bet most of them did.

 

[TIN25]

Thats because alot of people only look at the competitive specialties, but if you wanted to match a less competitive specialty but at Yale, UCSF, Harvard...etc you still have to be extremely competitive. Also, you have to think most of the competitive stuff are surgical subspecialties: NSGY, Ortho, ENT, PRS..the exception is Derm. So looking at your example of Yale, sure they only had 3 ortho, and 2 NSGY but how many of their other specialties matched into prestigious institutions, i'd bet most of them did.

Ah okay, how do we go about interpreting match lists then? I was going off the prior convo where the focus was on nsgy, ortho, plastics etc… but I’m guessing this may be a flawed approach?

 

[TIN25]

depends what specialty for the first point.

if you're from t20 and want to make it to academic high tier IM, legit just get AOA (not even tbh, just breathe in the right direction).

if you're from t100. you need AOA/GHHS, high step2, and great connections/hooks like urm/military. and even then, you might slip through the cracks.

it's no coincidence the first column here is school score. i have to study the weights later but I remember in their formula, school score is quite high.

Do they give all kids from T-20’s the same score or do they delinate between schools?

 

[Crunchyshrimpfries164]

Anyone have this year’s match list (broken down by school)?

Given that Duke has very limited distinction among its students (all P/F, no AOA, no rank, etc), I’m curious to see how it compares to other top schools - especially since this is only the 2nd match with step 1 p/f

 

[guavaplant]

Does anyone know the number of students in the accepted or committed student group chat?

 

[bruhmomento]

tf is going on in the water at duke?

8 nsgy, 5 plastics, 11 ortho, 4 ent, 7 ophtho, 3 derm

im assuming that it's a mix of the 1 year preclinical, true p/f, and admissions making it attractive w those etc to steal the sub-harvards? just collect the best X factor'd applicants since those will carry over to matching (and sacrifice the 1-3 points on mcat median). genius strat

anyone got a complete match list? (redact the names if you need to)

looking at last years match list it looks pretty similar. 11 gen surg, 11 ortho, 5 nsgy, etc. duke been in its bag

 

[applesarecool]

Has anyone heard if they are in consideration of a merit scholarship? I vaguely remember them saying they would notify if you were in consideration but am not sure.

 

[Chipmunk435]

Has anyone heard if they are in consideration of a merit scholarship? I vaguely remember them saying they would notify if you were in consideration but am not sure.

The wording of the email was weird. They did say they would let you know if you are in consideration but I think it would be very odd for a school to say you're in consideration for the scholarship and then not give you the scholarship when everyone is automatically considered to begin with. I think they just meant that they will tell you if you get a merit scholarship. I think we have to hang tight for another week or two until they start sending them out.

 

[shy_hulud]

Has anyone heard if they are in consideration of a merit scholarship? I vaguely remember them saying they would notify if you were in consideration but am not sure.

Not sure if they're doing things differently this year, but I didn't get any advance notice last year.

 

[deleted1197021]

If you already got financial aid and it showed 0 for merit does that mean you're not in the running?

 

[redexpomarker]

If you already got financial aid and it showed 0 for merit does that mean you're not in the running?

I did not see a line for merit in my financial aid package email. Did you get a specific line that said merit?

 

[goldenretriever25]

looking at last years match list it looks pretty similar. 11 gen surg, 11 ortho, 5 nsgy, etc. duke been in its bag

And the fact that the majority of students did it in 4 years also blows my mind!!

 

[goldenretriever25]

Hey, does anyone know when they are planning to send out merit scholarships?

 

[TIN25]

Hey, does anyone know when they are planning to send out merit scholarships?

I believe it's during and/or after second look! Although @shy_hulud is a better source of info on this 🙂

 

[redexpomarker]

has anyone gotten merit aid yet…?

 

[ninidia]

has anyone gotten merit aid yet…?

Yep, I did! Got the call from Dean Yee a couple of days before Second Look

 

[redexpomarker]

Yep, I did! Got the call from Dean Yee a couple of days before Second Look

are they given out all at once or throughout april

 

[ninidia]

are they given out all at once or throughout april

Honestly, no idea but if I had to guess, it’s probably rolling for a couple of weeks

 

[anonimo21]

Yep, I did! Got the call from Dean Yee a couple of days before Second Look

was it a partial or have they started giving the full tuitions do you know?

 

[Student2025!]

Has anyone heard if they are still giving merit scholarships?

 

[TIN25]

Has anyone heard if they are still giving merit scholarships?

I second this, and would love to know when we can safely assume we haven't received one!

 

[goldenretriever25]

I was told by admissions it would be no later than early next week but that could change with people dropping.

 

[goldenretriever25]

Also, does anyone know if the merit award is based on stats or overall application?

 

[shy_hulud]

Also, does anyone know if the merit award is based on stats or overall application?

Stats are a factor, but overall application+interview matter way more

 

[mstudentdoctor]

Does anyone have an idea what the MSTP WL movement might look like for Duke this year?

 

[mstudentdoctor]

What makes you say that? Did you observe this from speaking with accepted students during second look?

 

[chiknuggies]

What's the vibe for regular MD? Do most people seem committed to Duke?

 

[hockeydoc93]

any updates regarding merit aid? i am wondering if they plan to let us know if it’s been decided we won’t receive a scholarship. i imagine it’ll strongly affect a lot of people’s school decisions and it’s getting close to april 30…

 

[redexpomarker]

What's the vibe for regular MD? Do most people seem committed to Duke?

seems like most people were at least leaning Duke but a few students were still undecided

 

[Crunchyshrimpfries164]

Any concerns abt Duke getting rid of p/f clerkships? Know some other schools are doing away with it

 

[deleted1180326]

Any concerns abt Duke getting rid of p/f clerkships? Know some other schools are doing away with it

There was ZERO mention of this at Duke's SLW and no students have expressed concern over this.

What other schools? I've only heard speculation about hopkins but it is largely rumored

 

[redexpomarker]

There was ZERO mention of this at Duke's SLW and no students have expressed concern over this.

What other schools? I've only heard speculation about hopkins but it is largely rumored

Second this. It seems like the students love having P/F clerkships, and the school is extremely receptive to student feedback.

 

[ninidia]

Withdrew my A and merit scholarship. Hopefully one of you gets good news this week!

 

[chiknuggies]

does it seem like there will be any movement here?

 

[miminthesky1012]

does it seem like there will be any movement here?

was just coming to ask this… also anyone know when WL movement started in previous years?

 

[belugaa]

was just coming to ask this… also anyone know when WL movement started in previous years?

waitlist movement could start today (it started 5/2 and 5/3 ish the last few years) Both the GroupMe and FB group are still fairly overenrolled but it’s hard to tell because there are current students and possible stragglers. I asked a counselor at Duke about WL movement last week and they said they thought the waitlist would move based on the numbers they had at the time but only a small amount “way less than 10 people” (and things may have drastically changed since I asked them) TLDR it’s not looking great but it’s not impossible

 

[redexpomarker]

waitlist movement could start today (it started 5/2 and 5/3 ish the last few years) Both the GroupMe and FB group are still fairly overenrolled but it’s hard to tell because there are current students and possible stragglers. I asked a counselor at Duke about WL movement last week and they said they thought the waitlist would move based on the numbers they had at the time but only a small amount “way less than 10 people” (and things may have drastically changed since I asked them) TLDR it’s not looking great but it’s not impossible

I’m in the GroupMe sent by current Duke students and several folks have left it in the past few days! It has ~150 people but there are several current students in this chat as well

 

[Mojoc]

Anyone heard anything? I would think they would provide an update by now.

 

[meowkat1011]

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I’m in the GroupMe sent by current Duke students and several folks have left it in the past few days! It has ~[emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]][emoji[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]][emoji[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]] people but there are several current students in this chat as well

Is it looking like there won’t be movement this year 🙁 ?

 

[goldenretriever25]

Hey! To give more clarity, last year’s class was 119 students and currently the GroupMe still has around 150 students (even with students leaving after April 30th). I thought they may have over enrolled this year, but they accepted around 220 students initially and usually schools are able to retain 60% of accepted students then go to the waitlist. So I think they had really good retention this year amongst other schools. You can never tell honestly; students may still be on the waitlist for other schools and will swap when given acceptance, so I’d still send letter of intent! I just wanted to give those who are waiting an update and clearer picture if there will or will not be movement. Best of luck to you all! 🙂

 

[sippingmocha]

Hey! To give more clarity, last year’s class was 119 students and currently the GroupMe still has around 150 students (even with students leaving after April 30th). I thought they may have over enrolled this year, but they accepted around 220 students initially and usually schools are able to retain 60% of accepted students then go to the waitlist. So I think they had really good retention this year amongst other schools. You can never tell honestly; students may still be on the waitlist for other schools and will swap when given acceptance, so I’d still send letter of intent! I just wanted to give those who are waiting an update and clearer picture if there will or will not be movement. Best of luck to you all! 🙂

Hey, 👋🏻 I got a few questions for you. Seems like you are in the group me so you can see the number of students on there, but how do you know there was 220 students who got acceptance letters this year? Also, the people who are waitlisted probably already sent their letter of intent, so are you saying they should send another one? Let me know, because as far as I know schools generally don’t prefer students sending another letter of intent if one was already sent. Thanks!

 

[goldenretriever25]

Hey, 👋🏻 I got a few questions for you. Seems like you are in the group me so you can see the number of students on there, but how do you know there was 220 students who got acceptance letters this year? Also, the people who are waitlisted probably already sent their letter of intent, so are you saying they should send another one? Let me know, because as far as I know schools generally don’t prefer students sending another letter of intent if one was already sent. Thanks!

Hey! Yes I had made a typo mistake. There was about 230 students accepted this year and I know because when they sent the email updates or the second look details, it showed everyone’s email lol and the number of people in the event calendar. That was sent right after acceptances late Feb so it seems to be anyone who was accepted. One thing I’ve learned about the cycle is just shooting your shot. It won’t hurt to send another letter of intent or at least asking admissions for an update if there will be movement and next steps. You are well in your right especially with CTE deadlines approaching for schools and needing to figure out your future (even with finaid if you plan to come!!). I’ve been seeing other schools (including T20s) with waitlist movements or at least updates/communication to their waitlist candidates. I’m not sure what the hold up is with admissions but I hope they give you the clarity you all deserve!

 

[deleted1180326]

Anyone heard anything? I would think they would provide an update by now.

I encourage you to email them! Last years SDN thread reports someone e-mailing and admissions provided a transparent answer!

 

[shy_hulud]

Congrats to all the committed ppl! If you have any questions for a current student, feel free to shoot me a DM (caveat: I unfortunately have no info about the WL).

 

[coffeecup12345]

I encourage you to email them! Last years SDN thread reports someone e-mailing and admissions provided a transparent answer!

Emailed them and this was their response!

"We are not at a point where we can take anyone from the wait list right now. We have a class, however, some of the students are still Plan to Enroll. If students change their minds or make other decisions, we will consider going to the wait list."