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supershorty said:
Is it anything over 12 because of the size of the other wagons?
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I'm just going by what would have been mechanically impossible to build a counterwagon to, but it's possible chaos has something else in mind. The next wagon was like 3 or something so it's hard to directly compare at that point. I suppose that's why the focus is on earlier on events like mayo's vote.
 
Lawpy said:
The vissy vote swing to pleasy is bothering me. The wagons were too close and i think a 2nd wolf was on board with a possible last minute pile up on pleasy had dina not claimed
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Vissy’s vote (and reasoning for it) is bothering me a lot too, but I’m having a little trouble reconciling that with how fast the Vissy wagon built - I said it last night but 4 of the 5 votes on Vissy were in the last 2 hours of yeet close. I want to look at that more today. I’m not ruling out bussing on the Vissy vote given that Zenge was a seer, I could see bussing another pack member to try to keep him in the game.
 
supershorty said:
Vissy’s vote (and reasoning for it) is bothering me a lot too, but I’m having a little trouble reconciling that with how fast the Vissy wagon built - I said it last night but 4 of the 5 votes on Vissy were in the last 2 hours of yeet close. I want to look at that more today. I’m not ruling out bussing on the Vissy vote given that Zenge was a seer, I could see bussing another pack member to try to keep him in the game.
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I was not thrilled how this vote built and I started it, lol.

I will say, especially with Zen's flip, most of the field I'm at least village leaning for:
Animal Midwife said:
Vis (6) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty, LIS
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Big exception being kata, who I need to look at again with her more content.

And a small hmmmph at Sporty with that vote, because like LIS pointed out last night, she'd been suspicious of Zen for the last two days but then voted Vis when it mattered...

Genny was being pushed by Zen pretty significantly, AM feels like AM to me, and at some point LIS and I are going to mind meld this game so I may as well read him less sketch, lol.
 
Trilt said:
I was not thrilled how this vote built and I started it, lol.

I will say, especially with Zen's flip, most of the field I'm at least village leaning for:
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I don’t agree on AM after my ISO (I also think it’s interesting that Vissy did an AM ISO and came out with the opposite conclusion that I did) but I agree about genny, he was pushing her hard and I don’t think they’d be compatible pack mates.
 
supershorty said:
I’m not ruling out bussing on the Vissy vote given that Zenge was a seer, I could see bussing another pack member to try to keep him in the game.
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Does this seem likely with there being a very competitive wagon on pleasey and my vote there, though? If we were w/v and the pack was trying to bus me to save Z, I don’t think the bus would be very effective if I didn’t vote on Z. I can see the argument that the vote was too close for me to do that, but I don’t think there would be enough village-points in bussing me like that (specifically, a late swing that sketched some players out) for it to be worth it. And if we were w/w, there are plenty of other players the pack could have chosen to try to make a third wagon alternative to Z and Please.
 
Trilt said:
I was not thrilled how this vote built and I started it, lol.

I will say, especially with Zen's flip, most of the field I'm at least village leaning for:


Big exception being kata, who I need to look at again with her more content.

And a small hmmmph at Sporty with that vote, because like LIS pointed out last night, she'd been suspicious of Zen for the last two days but then voted Vis when it mattered...

Genny was being pushed by Zen pretty significantly, AM feels like AM to me, and at some point LIS and I are going to mind meld this game so I may as well read him less sketch, lol.
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Vis' defense didn't really add much either, beyond establish a consistent pattern of guilt tripping in response to pressure... which was actually one reason her posts caught my eye originally:

Viscernable said:
I don’t really have any arguments. I haven’t been able to keep up or read more than maaaaybe 50% of posts. I have no idea what’s going on and just react to posts as I see them. My play is bad because it’s bad, not wolfy. I hate to be the ****ty villager screwing over village by being misyeet bait, not to mention making the game less fun for everyone, but real life responsibilities come before the game and I was not prepared for the fastest, most content-heavy game I’ve played. Sorry everyone.
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I still think her voting patterns (holding off, then voting please while saying Zen was a higher wolf read) was fairly suspect but I'm hopefully going to reevaluate with the context of the votes and more thoughts today.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm just going by what would have been mechanically impossible to build a counterwagon to, but it's possible chaos has something else in mind. The next wagon was like 3 or something so it's hard to directly compare at that point. I suppose that's why the focus is on earlier on events like mayo's vote.
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No , I meant like it was 4-5-5 or something and mayo made it 5-5-5 before the seer reveal , Unlikely he would do that as someone in Zenge's team

Crayola227 said:
Why what?
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I was responding to AM

Crayola227 said:
I feel like it's become a part time or 75% time job.

Tbf is to be frank?
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Yes

Whats a wolf seer btw? Does that mean there are other ww factions?
 
Viscernable said:
Does this seem likely with there being a very competitive wagon on pleasey and my vote there, though? If we were w/v and the pack was trying to bus me to save Z, I don’t think the bus would be very effective if I didn’t vote on Z. I can see the argument that the vote was too close for me to do that, but I don’t think there would be enough village-points in bussing me like that (specifically, a late swing that sketched some players out) for it to be worth it. And if we were w/w, there are plenty of other players the pack could have chosen to try to make a third wagon alternative to Z and Please.
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You don't get any credit for your pleasy vote in this argument when you made it literally in the last minutes of the cycle...

With that said, I don't think that your lynch was a wolf powered bus, no matter your affiliation. Unless we were voting w/w with Zen and Pleasy which I'm just not feeling.

But I really would like to hear your thoughts today, including actually putting a stake in the ground with a vote.
 
Trilt said:
With that said, I don't think that your lynch was a wolf powered bus, no matter your affiliation. Unless we were voting w/w with Zen and Pleasy which I'm just not feeling.
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I agree, I’m feeling a little better about pleasy today between the wagons and how she was sus of Z pretty early on.
 
supershorty said:
I don’t agree on AM after my ISO (I also think it’s interesting that Vissy did an AM ISO and came out with the opposite conclusion that I did) but I agree about genny, he was pushing her hard and I don’t think they’d be compatible pack mates.
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AM’s flip to Vis last night was weird to me. She’s wolf reading me all day, I ask her to join me on Vis, and suddenly she votes Vis??? Like no hesitation, happened within the same minute that I posted.
 
genny said:
AM’s flip to Vis last night was weird to me. She’s wolf reading me all day, I ask her to join me on Vis, and suddenly she votes Vis??? Like no hesitation, happened within the same minute that I posted.
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Yeah nothing that happened yesterday helped to change my wolf lean for her tbh.
 
Night 2


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Nobody knows exactly what happened. Maybe he went mad. Maybe the power got to him. Maybe he decided he just didn't like people. Whichever way you slice it, good men died.

A quiet clicking came from the roof of a garden pavilion. Something flew past the ear of a man sleeping on a bench in the shelter. He sat upright, heart racing. His eyes darted here and there, looking for the source of the projectile. A figure dropped from the ceiling. Rapid gunfire echoed all around him and he rolled to the ground, covering his head with his hands.

~~~

"Can't you take... the neighbor's girl instead?"

She wept in a corner, thoughts winding in circles and wrapping back on themselves. Where was her daughter, who had taken her daughter, where was she, who was she. A metallic creaking caught her attention. One of those lumbering protectors walked by, a small figure perched on his shoulder. Could it be?

~~~

It should be smooth sailing from here. Ah, but it won't be, will it?

Smoke filled the air, then dissipated with a gust of wind. Security cameras swiveled as a pair of figures ran past. Then the sound of electricity crackling, and a great and powerful blast.

No one has died

In the morning, a familiar figure rejoined the refugees at Athena's Glory. Something looked a little different about her. She gave a friendly wave to her companions.

Back from the dead is @Barkley13

It is now Day 3. Vote closes at 10pm EST on Saturday, March 6th.

Please note a change in participation requirements: an average of 10 posts per day cycle is now sufficient to meet minimum requirements. A daily vote is still required.

22 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Barkley13
4. @Dinashadow
5. @pawprintsandponytails

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy
14. @SportPonies

Hephaestus
15. @genny
16. @mkg323
17. @Cyndia

Olympus Heights
19. @Ms Procrastinator
20. @Viscernable
21. @alleycat03
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. @katashark
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager
zenge - wolf seer

Subs:
1. @samac

Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​
 
So my first thought is that the visc post where she talks about zenge being her strongest wolf read and then voting please to break the tie was pretty yikes. If Visc is a wolf I feel like that would suggest that the wolves either didn’t know Zenge was seered or were thinking at that point they were safe from any reveals.

also did Visc ever address why she held her vote so long?
 
I know my vote on please when Z, please, and I were tied, right before a Z vote became inevitable, looks terrible. If anyone else did that, they would be my top wolf read by far.

I don't think I have any strong defense since I haven't really been keeping up or playing well, which unfortunately makes it likely that I'll be misyeeted today, and whether village or wolf I don't usually directly defend myself. As a wolf I try to get village-read by appearing to respond to suspicion with working harder to wolfhunt instead of defensiveness, and as a villager I take the same strategy, both for the same reason (defensiveness is often counterproductive and just makes people more suspicious) and because I'm trying to get as much wolfhunting done as possible before I go.

This situation feels like the time to directly defend myself, though, because there's lots of time left to do so while also wolfhunting (previous misyeets have happened really fast for me), and because I don't know that my wolfhunting will be strong enough to speak for itself when I've skimmed the thread so much. I'm my own innocent child and don't intend to let myself get misyeeted, so I'm going to fight this.
 
Barkley13 said:
So my first thought is that the visc post where she talks about zenge being her strongest wolf read and then voting please to break the tie was pretty yikes. If Visc is a wolf I feel like that would suggest that the wolves either didn’t know Zenge was seered or were thinking at that point they were safe from any reveals.

also did Visc ever address why she held her vote so long?
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I was trying to get caught up as much as possible before voting. "As much as possible" turned out to be having most of D1 read/analysed and maybe 1/4 of D2, so I was really flying blind trying to vote. Then got very suspicious of AM in connection with Z (a suspicion I'd had for a while, for reasons outlined in my ISO, but her fight with mayo right then really triggered it enough that I wanted to see if I should be voting her, Z, or genny, who I saw as either w/w/v or v/v/w). Then when I surfaced from my AM ISO, feeling better about her and consequently worse about genny, the votecount made me doubtful again and panic-waffling ensued.
 
supershorty said:
Vissy’s vote (and reasoning for it) is bothering me a lot too, but I’m having a little trouble reconciling that with how fast the Vissy wagon built - I said it last night but 4 of the 5 votes on Vissy were in the last 2 hours of yeet close. I want to look at that more today. I’m not ruling out bussing on the Vissy vote given that Zenge was a seer, I could see bussing another pack member to try to keep him in the game.
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I'm not sure if a rapidly growing wagon in itself is sketchy since it can be very useful to catch a wolf off guard with little to no time to defend. I've seen this happening a few times before.
 
genny said:
AM’s flip to Vis last night was weird to me. She’s wolf reading me all day, I ask her to join me on Vis, and suddenly she votes Vis??? Like no hesitation, happened within the same minute that I posted.
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Yes that was weird. I'm putting AM on my neutrals because voting with a longstanding wolfread so immediately doesn't make much sense.
 
Trilt said:
Vis' defense didn't really add much either, beyond establish a consistent pattern of guilt tripping in response to pressure... which was actually one reason her posts caught my eye originally:


I still think her voting patterns (holding off, then voting please while saying Zen was a higher wolf read) was fairly suspect but I'm hopefully going to reevaluate with the context of the votes and more thoughts today.
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Intentional emotional manipulation isn't my style. I cry easily IRL so I've been falsely accused of it enough to never want to. My post was an explanation, not a defense, and it shouldn't make people village-read me - everything there is NAI.
 
jaboo said:
I was the rezzer.

I was torn between rezing April or Barks, but leaned towards Barks in the slim chance they got their power back (which I know is very unlikely).
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Oh, interesting. I was suspicious of the Barks rez since there was no NK and I was wondering if wolves had the option to trade a NK for a rez conversion. I know there are many other reasons wolves may be prevented from killing, though, and the rezzer coming forward complicates things. There is always the WIFOM argument that it was a wolf rez and jaboo came forward because it would be unexpected for the wolf rezzer to do so, but I'm leaning towards that being less likely since it then ties jaboo and Barks together, and if one flipped wolf it would look bad for the other.
 
Viscernable said:
I know my vote on please when Z, please, and I were tied, right before a Z vote became inevitable, looks terrible. If anyone else did that, they would be my top wolf read by far.

I don't think I have any strong defense since I haven't really been keeping up or playing well, which unfortunately makes it likely that I'll be misyeeted today, and whether village or wolf I don't usually directly defend myself. As a wolf I try to get village-read by appearing to respond to suspicion with working harder to wolfhunt instead of defensiveness, and as a villager I take the same strategy, both for the same reason (defensiveness is often counterproductive and just makes people more suspicious) and because I'm trying to get as much wolfhunting done as possible before I go.

This situation feels like the time to directly defend myself, though, because there's lots of time left to do so while also wolfhunting (previous misyeets have happened really fast for me), and because I don't know that my wolfhunting will be strong enough to speak for itself when I've skimmed the thread so much. I'm my own innocent child and don't intend to let myself get misyeeted, so I'm going to fight this.
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These are a lot of words that don’t really say anything at all. I don’t feel good about visc but need to go back through and reread the voting myself when I’m home today.

I’d like to hear from @Dinashadow on how your night went. I see the jaboo claim of the rez - but even with that, I’m a little concerned we went from 3 kills to 0 kills?? This faintly reminds me of that recent game (I think end of the world?) where there was a lone wolf that killed the first night and then converted the next. I’m not at all interested in convert hunting at this point, but keeping it in the back of my mind until I better iso/assess jaboo.
 
Viscernable said:
Oh, interesting. I was suspicious of the Barks rez since there was no NK and I was wondering if wolves had the option to trade a NK for a rez conversion. I know there are many other reasons wolves may be prevented from killing, though, and the rezzer coming forward complicates things. There is always the WIFOM argument that it was a wolf rez and jaboo came forward because it would be unexpected for the wolf rezzer to do so, but I'm leaning towards that being less likely since it then ties jaboo and Barks together, and if one flipped wolf it would look bad for the other.
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Jboozy is unlikely to be wolf from how hard she pushed zenges.
 
Lawpy said:
Noooo 🙁 🙁
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If it makes you feel any better, I have never cried over WW and don't intend to lol. Don't feel guilty for suspecting me because you think it'll hurt my feelings (it will not, it's just a game) or because I've been struggling to keep up (if I REALLY wanted to, I could, but again, it is a game and I don't feel like sacrificing sleep, responsibilities, or all of my free time). (Do feel guilty a bit guilty if I am misyeeted tonight and you contribute to yeeting a villager, though).
 
Viscernable said:
Oh, interesting. I was suspicious of the Barks rez since there was no NK and I was wondering if wolves had the option to trade a NK for a rez conversion. I know there are many other reasons wolves may be prevented from killing, though, and the rezzer coming forward complicates things. There is always the WIFOM argument that it was a wolf rez and jaboo came forward because it would be unexpected for the wolf rezzer to do so, but I'm leaning towards that being less likely since it then ties jaboo and Barks together, and if one flipped wolf it would look bad for the other.
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There was at least one attempted kill though since shorty was attacked
 
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