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[Crayola227]

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They're still masons and innocent children, so it shouldn't ever be allowed if SDN follows the rules, but SDN doesn't. It's why I only apply SDN factors to roles until undoubtedly proven otherwise.

I just read about both roles and nothing I read addressed conversion.

It might be different elsewhere, but even elsewhere nothing I read says they can't be converted by definition.

If SDN uses neutral to mean 3P/chaos/has their own exclusive wincon, then neutral is synonymous with 3P/chaos, and should be killed before they achieve that wincon.

And if you're going to say this is all SDN site meta, then I'm going to disagree with any mod that claims their non-wolf pack party that has an exclusive wincon should be called neutral, if they also use neutral to mean someone whose win is not exclusive.

These distinctions matter when deciding if someone needs to die, so I think it matters.

 

[Crayola227]

Any 3p can convert if it's an ability. A cult leader's only ability is to convert, in fact.

She meant can the 3P be converted to wolf, I think.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Any 3p can convert if it's an ability. A cult leader's only ability is to convert, in fact.

I actually meant be converted instead of convert, but I guess the answers still yes

 

[Crayola227]

Wolves would be trying to kill 3Ps too so that they don't meet their wincon. It's much better to have wolves hunt for it than to try and waste a yeet on it.

I don't see it as a waste of a yeet if it keeps them from killing villagers or making us lose the game.

People thought the wolves would take care of Coffee and they didn't.

We've already postulated in more than one place that we think we're dealing with a less than competent pack. I'd rather not leave our fates up to their prowess level.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm torn between a Kata, Chaos, or Mayo yeet today.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I just read about both roles and nothing I read addressed conversion.

It might be different elsewhere, but even elsewhere nothing I read says they can't be converted by definition.

If SDN uses neutral to mean 3P/chaos/has their own exclusive wincon, then neutral is synonymous with 3P/chaos, and should be killed before they achieve that wincon.

And if you're going to say this is all SDN site meta, then I'm going to disagree with any mod that claims their non-wolf pack party that has an exclusive wincon should be called neutral, if they also use neutral to mean someone whose win is not exclusive.

These distinctions matter when deciding if someone needs to die, so I think it matters.

All I'm saying is 3p under any name whether it be "chaos", "neutral", or the simple "3p", says nothing about ability or wincon. I treat them all as less than wolves until proven more dangerous or they continuously and intentionally act to get in the way of wolf hunting on thread.

None should be treated as safer or more dangerous just because of what color or word choice is used to explain the flavor of 3p.

What matters is ability.

Chaos Survivor? Can win with anyone.
Neutral Serial Killer? Cannot win with anyone but themselves.
3p Vigilante? Not enough information to tell.

See what I mean?

 

[Trilt]

If SDN uses neutral to mean 3P/chaos/has their own exclusive wincon, then neutral is synonymous with 3P/chaos, and should be killed before they achieve that wincon.

Admittedly it has been awhile. But while I played and modded, neutral meant null. Not village, not wolf, did not contribute to parity numbers, and generally won just by surviving. I had one in almost every game I modded, and I saw village waste a ton of time lynching them.

We've had EON double knife kills for the entire game so far. We really want to go after a confirmed NOT WOLF and let that happen again tonight?

 

[supershorty]

I'm torn between a Kata, Chaos, or Mayo yeet today.

How do you feel about Cyndia?

 

[Animal Midwife]

She meant can the 3P be converted to wolf, I think.

I actually meant be converted instead of convert, but I guess the answers still yes

Yes, depending on the game.

 

[supershorty]

I have a question for @Cyndia.

D4, there was some confusion over whether your moving groups was due to an item or due to your role. You claimed that it was your role and that you could do it any night, as opposed to being from an item like genny suggested. Maybe I misunderstood these posts below, but I was expecting you'd change groups overnight to prove your point, and it looks like you didn't. Is there a reason you didn't change groups last night?

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I was trying to say earlier that moving groups is my role, not an item, and I can do so again tonight. I just didn't do it previous nights because I didn't have anything I needed to say to anyone.

 

[Crayola227]

How do you feel about Cyndia?

I always think her play is wolfy af and I think she's basically a policy yeet every game I play with her unless she shows a few instances of clearly village insight. She's a prime candidate for wolf misyeet bait, although I thought alley was wolf misyeet bait and was wrong. Cyndia's in my POE but I'm focusing on more distinctly wolfy behavior from my top POE.

 

[Crayola227]

Yes and I'm aware Kata has been subbed by samac. Should have said her name instead.

 

[Crayola227]

I have a question for @Cyndia.

D4, there was some confusion over whether your moving groups was due to an item or due to your role. You claimed that it was your role and that you could do it any night, as opposed to being from an item like genny suggested. Maybe I misunderstood these posts below, but I was expecting you'd change groups overnight to prove your point, and it looks like you didn't. Is there a reason you didn't change groups last night?

Well this is concerning.

 

[LetItSnow]

I'm torn between a Kata, Chaos, or Mayo yeet today.

Probably don't want to waste a lynch on Kata, who is no longer in the game.

 

[LetItSnow]

Yes and I'm aware Kata has been subbed by samac. Should have said her name instead.

Dammit. You subverted my snark.

 

[supershorty]

I pulled some of mayo's posts but not an exhaustive list - mostly just his reads because I wanted to see how they evolved over time, and I wanted to see when he started vocalizing suspicion of Zenge. It was pretty early, although his vote didn't end up there until much later. I struggle to read mayo well but I'm having a little bit of a hard time believing he'd be doing a super long bus on Zenge - the first quote that I pulled is from D1, and although he has 1 post where he says he likes how Zenge responded to the pressure, he never really takes Zenge out of his POE. It just seems unlikely to me that this would be a wolf strategy right out of the gate.

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This hyper-0focus on the first post clear by Zenge makes me feel all kinds of weird.

"First post" theories came up even in the goat game we just played. It's typical early D1-nonsense. NAI

Z seemed to overreact more than the others.

Two sub-plots pinged me during my attempt to catch up.

1. I'm disliking both sides of the Zeng/Genny debate.

I was reading Genny as sarcastic and slightly annoyed village Genny. I get that the eel bucket is pretty full, but surely there is at least one of them that looks good for plucking (that eel metaphor really fell apart).

Zeng - Is coming on a bit too strong and his tone seems slightly off. I'm never a fan of retaliatory votes.

Especially this


Like, why insult sunny by using her as a snarky comeback at Genny? Unnecessarily divisive imo.

2. The Cyndia/mkg interactions.

I know I'm not the first one to highlight it, but going after mkg for starting a PM and then giving Genny a pass for the same thing makes no sense.



After that reason for the vote fell apart it looks like Cyndia is trying to manufacture another reason. I actually can't find a content post from Cyndia that isn't about going after mkg. Reminds me of AM's tunnel wolfing on Alissa for several days last game.

Wolfy:
Alleycat - I'm not following her logic much at all
Genny - Refusing to give wolf reads and very defensive. She's been given multiple opportunities to give something.
Cyndia - already explained
Alissa - Don't like the naked vote on kata, or most of the rest of the day


Zeng was wolfy, but I like how he's responded to the pressure

Neutral:
Kata - seems normal
LIS - Wolfhunting, but limited time on
Lupin - Reminds me of Mel.. which means I probably can't read her

Vis and Sporty are moving toward village since hoping on

Villagey:
Cray - Seems normal D1 Cray. I don't always agree, but she is wolfhunting.
April - I find myself nodding along with most of her posts. Doesn't feel like wolf April.
M - already explained
Trout - Solid wolf hunting. I dont' agree with some gameplay theory stuff (intentionally throwing a game), but is wolfhunting and making sense so far.
Chaos - already explained
Shorty - Shorty being shorty
Maybe mother sporty (I've been burnt before)

Initial reads aren't that different from yesterday.

My top reads are Genny and Zenge. There is no way that they are w/w. I don't like how Genny played yesterday, but I also can't wrap my head around the wolf logic. I also play less inhibited when I perceive I have less to lose, so it gives me pause. If it is one of them, I would rather vote Zenge here based on what has happened so far.

Cyndia hasn't done anything to change my opinion from yesterday. It's no secret that is where I wanted to go with my vote, I'll probably start there again.

I need to ISO pleasy.

AM seems off, I can't tell if she is changing her behavior because of the old school players or if she's woof again.

Alleycat is clawing her way out of wolf leans back up to neutral. I like what she has been doing so far this cycle.

Not sure how to read LIS.

Neutral to village on Dina - Seems to be wolf hunting. Definite different vibe from yesterday.

Vis was a slow start, but I've been mostly agreeing with her since she came back.

Kata and Mother sporty are drawing attention. I would like to see more from both. I would throw MSP under the same category for me. Neutral with what they've said, but sus for how little they've said it.

Leaning village: Cray, Chaos, Shorty, Trilt, MKG, Lawpy

I would be willing to vote Cynd, Zenge, Pleasey or AM and can see 3 of the 4 in a pack together.

Genny is still in my wolf pile, but I don't see her working in a pack with almost anyone else I'm sus of.

I would prefer not to vote MsP, Sporty, or Kata unless someone at least does the math to show if they are above the posting limit for the day. I don't like to waste a day cycle on someone who is going to get mod killed anyway.

Mayo, do you still feel this way about the potential pack? Who were the 3 you were thinking of, and how do you feel about how hard AM has been pushing Cyndia?

Coming back on now, I won't be able to catch up in time.

I'm fine with Pleasy or Zenge, but Z is my stronger read.

I would rather vote out Cynd or AM, but I've made my case on both, don't have time to do more, and it's not picking up traction.

Unyeet Cynd
Yeet Z

I'm struggling to keep up with the thread. I'll try to get caught up after dinner. It's my night to cook.


Based on how things went with the Zenge vote, I still have Cynd and AM as my top wolf suspects.

I don't see Pleasey or Genny as compatible with that pack, so they both take a back seat for now. I still think multiple packs are possible, but I would rather hunt off of what we know, so I'm not comfortable voting there.

I actually like the Vis vote. I think it is possible we were between two wolves, but either way it would provide a lot of information on who was on which wagon in the last vote. Especially AM and LIS.

Sporty, Genny, Cray, Chaos, and Dina are my strong village.

Leaning village on Jaboo and Barks too based on content. My only pause is the rez.

MsP, Sporty and Kata are all neutral to sus, but more based on activity than content.

genny was village, but I'm a little unsure of how "taking a back seat" meant going from a wolf lean to being in the strong village category. Doesn't matter at this point.

I don't think it's kata. I really think she is just an inactive villager.

@holdthemayo What are your thoughts on kata/samac (katamac?) when you look at the VCA I posted earlier? And how are you reading Cray now that she's able to post again?

 

[Crayola227]

I pulled some of mayo's posts but not an exhaustive list - mostly just his reads because I wanted to see how they evolved over time, and I wanted to see when he started vocalizing suspicion of Zenge. It was pretty early, although his vote didn't end up there until much later. I struggle to read mayo well but I'm having a little bit of a hard time believing he'd be doing a super long bus on Zenge - the first quote that I pulled is from D1, and although he has 1 post where he says he likes how Zenge responded to the pressure, he never really takes Zenge out of his POE. It just seems unlikely to me that this would be a wolf strategy right out of the gate.

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Mayo, do you still feel this way about the potential pack? Who were the 3 you were thinking of, and how do you feel about how hard AM has been pushing Cyndia?




genny was village, but I'm a little unsure of how "taking a back seat" meant going from a wolf lean to being in the strong village category. Doesn't matter at this point.

@holdthemayo What are your thoughts on kata/samac (katamac?) when you look at the VCA I posted earlier? And how are you reading Cray now that she's able to post again?

I disagree with what you said about when bussing starts, and having lots of early sus and the vote never materializes until much later is exactly how a wolf bus materializes on one to another.

 

[supershorty]

I disagree with what you said about when bussing starts, and having lots of early sus and the vote never materializes until much later is exactly how a wolf bus materializes on one to another.

That's true. I went back to my vote tracker and unless I missed it, he didn't actually put a vote on Zenge until D2 when he was the last one to vote for him before Dina revealed. Before that (still on D2), he was on Cyndia, who he'd mentioned in his wolf reads before. So it could be that.

Do you think he and Cyndia could be w/w? I really want to hear an answer from Cyndia about why she didn't switch groups last night, and mayo's thoughts on katamac's VCA.

 

[holdthemayo]

Mayo, do you still feel this way about the potential pack? Who were the 3 you were thinking of, and how do you feel about how hard AM has been pushing Cyndia?

I think I said elsewhere, the 3 I saw in a pack were Cyndia, AM and Zenge. I don't see AM and Cyndia as very compatible anymore, but still think they are w/v.

I think either one works as w/w with Zenge.

genny was village, but I'm a little unsure of how "taking a back seat" meant going from a wolf lean to being in the strong village category. Doesn't matter at this point.


@holdthemayo What are your thoughts on kata/samac (katamac?) when you look at the VCA I posted earlier? And how are you reading Cray now that she's able to post again?

I had Genny and Zenge as w/v. I said at the time, I had a hard time imagining them as w/v. Genny also evolved from extra-sassy D1 to a much more pro-village playstyle.

Kata was presumably very busy IRL and wasn't following the thread closely. It makes me wonder how much effort even went into those votes? I'd like to see what samac does when she has a chance to catch up. Samac's opening vote makes sense.

As for Cray, she isn't the blocker, which is what we were looking for last night. I disagree with her about last night's tie, but would probably be annoyed if I were in her shoes too.

I'm still leaning village on her based on content, but she is one of the people who stood out to me a bit on your VCA.

Chaos, Prints, AM and Trilt also stand out to me on your VCA. I'm not sure if you agree. Does anyone pop out to you that I missed?

 

[Dinashadow]

I have a question for @Cyndia.

D4, there was some confusion over whether your moving groups was due to an item or due to your role. You claimed that it was your role and that you could do it any night, as opposed to being from an item like genny suggested. Maybe I misunderstood these posts below, but I was expecting you'd change groups overnight to prove your point, and it looks like you didn't. Is there a reason you didn't change groups last night?

I asked her this question in our PM this morning because she told me she was going back to PM genny last night

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why did you transition from saying:

She pushed pretty hard on the silent player must be the wolf blocker strategy. It led to us catching alley. AM hates bussing.

Seems villager.

to:

I think I said elsewhere, the 3 I saw in a pack were Cyndia, AM and Zenge. I don't see AM and Cyndia as very compatible anymore, but still think they are w/v.

I think either one works as w/w with Zenge.

?

 

[Trilt]

I think the risk with leaning heavily on voting patterns - and I say this 100% acknowledging that this is self serving comment because I have had crap reads this game so far - is that on the days they were lynched, both of our wolves had heads up that it was coming.

Zenge should have gotten the seer notification, and we laid out pretty straight that we were going to hunt down the blocker. Smart/attentive wolves really should have recognized that defending against an inevitable lynch would just end up looking sketchy and gotten on the bus...

 

[Barkley13]

I think the risk with leaning heavily on voting patterns - and I say this 100% acknowledging that this is self serving comment because I have had crap reads this game so far - is that on the days they were lynched, both of our wolves had heads up that it was coming.

Zenge should have gotten the seer notification, and we laid out pretty straight that we were going to hunt down the blocker. Smart/attentive wolves really should have recognized that defending against an inevitable lynch would just end up looking sketchy and gotten on the bus...

That's a good point. Even if the tie hadn't gone to alley yesterday it was pretty obvious it was gonna be her today

 

[holdthemayo]

Why did you transition from saying:

to:

?

Where is the transition?

She asked me what my pack was at the time. I clarified it.

I still think you and Cynd are w/v. Your actions last night leaned village so I think it is more likely today that you are the v in that combo, because I know you don't like bussing. I've otherwise been wolf reading you for most of the game, and remain in my POE.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Where is the transition?

I don't know. That's what I'm hoping will be clarified.

She asked me what my pack was at the time. I clarified it.

I still think you and Cynd are w/v. Your actions last night leaned village so I think it is more likely today that you are the v in that combo, because I know you don't like bussing. I've otherwise been wolf reading you for most of the game, and remain in my POE.

It's the bolded that's confusing me.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think the risk with leaning heavily on voting patterns - and I say this 100% acknowledging that this is self serving comment because I have had crap reads this game so far - is that on the days they were lynched, both of our wolves had heads up that it was coming.

Zenge should have gotten the seer notification, and we laid out pretty straight that we were going to hunt down the blocker. Smart/attentive wolves really should have recognized that defending against an inevitable lynch would just end up looking sketchy and gotten on the bus...

That's why I'm putting heaviest analysis and basing my POE on D1 and D3 rather than D2 and D4.

 

[Trilt]

That's why I'm putting heaviest analysis and basing my POE on D1 and D3 rather than D2 and D4.

Was literally typing this, with the addendum that I'm going to go back and look at the context of those early wolf votes... especially d1 it's easy to throw a joking/minimally supported vote on a packmate that doesn't gain any traction and gets cred.

 

[Trilt]

Basically, damned if you do damned if you don't situation, lol.

 

[supershorty]

I think the risk with leaning heavily on voting patterns - and I say this 100% acknowledging that this is self serving comment because I have had crap reads this game so far - is that on the days they were lynched, both of our wolves had heads up that it was coming.

Yeah, this is why I don't want to use VCA by itself when I'm putting together reads, it's very possible to have a bad voting record and be village. I've been there before.

 

[holdthemayo]

I don't know. That's what I'm hoping will be clarified.

It's the bolded that's confusing me.

I'm genuinely not seeing how.

I was strongly wolf reading you.

You did something that was pro-village. Making me re-evaluate your alignment.

I don't think that one thing was enough to clear you, so you remain in my POE. I think you and Cynd are still likely w/v, so that would be a logical place to go with my vote.

 

[holdthemayo]

I don't think that one thing was enough to clear you, so you remain in my POE. I think you and Cynd are still likely w/v, so that would be a logical place to go with my vote.

Specifically Cynd in this case.

 

[supershorty]

Chaos, Prints, AM and Trilt also stand out to me on your VCA. I'm not sure if you agree. Does anyone pop out to you that I missed?

Yes. Ms P. But I need to look into things more. My brain is really sluggish today.

I'm finding myself doing a lot of reevaluations this game.

 

[Crayola227]

That's true. I went back to my vote tracker and unless I missed it, he didn't actually put a vote on Zenge until D2 when he was the last one to vote for him before Dina revealed. Before that (still on D2), he was on Cyndia, who he'd mentioned in his wolf reads before. So it could be that.

Do you think he and Cyndia could be w/w? I really want to hear an answer from Cyndia about why she didn't switch groups last night, and mayo's thoughts on katamac's VCA.

Yes I think they're compatible.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 5 You Were Born To Do Great Things Vote Tally

Cyndia (1) - AM
Chaostrodon (1) - samac

2/17

winning: --

Missing: nearly all

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/10/21 (27.25 hours)

 

[Crayola227]

Day 5 You Were Born To Do Great Things Vote Tally

Cyndia (1) - AM
Chaostrodon (1) - samac

2/17

winning: --

Missing: nearly all

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/10/21 (27.25 hours)

Not a huge fan of samac, so it gives me cold feet about voting Chaos, I could put samac on the board, but I think I'd like to put pressure on Mayo instead. I'm not sure what I make of AM on Cyndia but I'm glad there's pressure there and need to see her come on and defend.

#### yeet mayo ####

 

[supershorty]

I want to pressure samac a little for her wolf reads and kata was in my POE for both the low posting and low content.

Yeet samac

 

[Lupin21]

Why is it a problem I want to know where people's heads are at?

Wolf perspectives even on actual villagers has been a great way to catch them at times.

Because you're likely going to get very boring answers with that question now and I was/am tired of talking about myself and my play. lol

 

[Lupin21]

The write-up makes it seem like someone who bought an automatic hack tool may have been able to use a bot/cameras to watch someone. That's cool.

No clue what Number 2 is

And dang, wonder what made wolves pick genny. Anyone have thoughts on that?

 

[Trilt]

The write-up makes it seem like someone who bought an automatic hack tool may have been able to use a bot/cameras to watch someone. That's cool.

No clue what Number 2 is

And dang, wonder what made wolves pick genny. Anyone have thoughts on that?

I'm waiting to potentially hear an explanation from Cyndia.

I went back into genny's posts and she definitely threw some reasonable sus there, and we have precedent of the wolves NKing people who push on them the previous day:

I think she fished enough yesterday to know that wolves needed to block me.

Because I protected Dina N2? Like I told you?

This is your role? Hmm. Can you move others or just yourself? And why haven't you used it until now?

Some comments towards LIS/you, also, but a retaliatory NK just doesn't fit my mental meta for either of y'all:

I don't really see a tone shift in what you quoted, but I'm not opposed to voting LIS.

So one of the last times I played with Lupin, she went on the offensive when I warned another player that she can be a good wolf so be wary of her. And she turned out to be a wolf. She’s protested against the comment as a villager, but not as much as she did as a wolf. So the more she protests, the wolfier I read her.

 

[Lupin21]

I'm waiting to potentially hear an explanation from Cyndia. I went back into genny's posts and she definitely threw some reasonable sus there, and we have precedent of the wolves NKing people who push on them the previous day:

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Some comments towards LIS/you, also, but a retaliatory NK just doesn't fit my mental meta for either of y'all:

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I guess I hadn't paid attention to her comments to cyndia. I just was cranky at her. haha

 

[samac]

So right now I'm not going to have a lot of quotes to pull because this damn thing is 91 pages long and a bear. This is going mostly off feels.
First off I have to say Kata has been minimally active and disappeared completely yesterday and I got the pleasure of stepping in the hot seat she left for me. She is exactly the kind of player that would be low hanging fruit for the wolves to try and yeet and I think we need to look at those who have been pushing the misyeet wagon heavily. I'm going to have to look back through posts to see exactly who was pushing the hardest, I haven't had a lot of time to do that yet.

Chaos - Consistently had voted on a random person. No wagons. Feels like he could be trying to fly under the radar. The only thing giving me pause here is Zenge throwing a vote there. But if chaos wasn’t taking easy heat it could have easily been some light bussing. Wolf chat could have coached him on the 10 pm thing. Find him sus. Wolfy.
AM - I had her as wolf early on, her 20Q style reminded me of her wolf style, but later play and this early post from alley when there was no need to bus puts her on the village side of things for me.

I did not like AM's interaction with Mayo, I did not like her snark, and I really did not like how she interacted with Shorty "last night" (end of D2). I have had her as a slight wolf lean for most of the game, and I just cannot shake the feeling of how she has been more of a distraction this game and less pro-village than the previous games I've played with her. She has more snark, which is akin to how she wolfed last game.

Yeet AM

Mayo - Seems like the mayo we've had that has been village. He brings a chaotic energy to villaging that he doesn't for wolfing. I called him village last time as a wolf in an attempt to pocket him but I feel like his behaviors are no different this game than last.
Dina - If she's a wolf I'll eat my left shoe.
Please - Another one I'm now village reading due to the alley posts on her. Alley stated Zenge was more helpful, voted for her multiple times. Village lean, but looking at Bark's posts and the call out on the switch of the Zenge read makes me nervous to put her full village.
Barks - likely a village rez. I like that she had a vote on alley on Saturday and talked about how she wanted to yeet her but changed to Vis when it wasn't taking off.
Paws - Has been rolling extremely under the radar for me. Actually forgot she was in this game until I was checking the roster. I don't like her reads list given AM, and Barks are her strongest wolf reads when at that point barks hadn't done anything that hit me as wolf. Kata was her other strongest wolf read which as I mentioned is an easy misyeet target. She gave absolutely no info with that reads list and just ran off. Wolf lean.
Cray - Likely village. Playing totally different then the game I toted and she was a wolf, she seems to be in her usual post dump play style. Only thing not making me put her into full village is some WIFOM that she knows how that game went so she's actively being a much better wolf.
Shorty - Conflicted. I had originally cleared her completely in my head with going after Z, but now with the mention of loud actions she would have known he was seered on day 2 when she really started . She very well could have bussed him for village cred and it was totally working until I started to look through her stuff. She also made a comment day 1 defending alley for minimal activity. I have never seen her wolf but I'm well aware she is very good at it and I'm skittish.
Lawpy - He has wayyyy to many posts for m. If I'm reading it right it came back at 560 results. I don't even know what to do with that.
It would be an excellent wolf strategy to clog up the searches with hundreds of 1 sentence posts, but those of you who've played more say that's normal right? I'd honestly like to yeet him to prevent ever attempting that search again.


THIS IS SO MUCH AND I NEED A BREAK. I'm gonna get some ice cream while y'all have this.

 

[Trilt]

She is exactly the kind of player that would be low hanging fruit for the wolves to try and yeet and I think we need to look at those who have been pushing the misyeet wagon heavily. I'm going to have to look back through posts to see exactly who was pushing the hardest, I haven't had a lot of time to do that yet.

Me. And LIS. I think a couple others.

And yes, it's an easy misyeet if you're village, sure. But I don't know you're village. Silent players like kata also freaking never end up wolf killed and when they contribute nothing they are just a liability until end game.

The only thing I hate more than nonexistent players who aren't playing the game they signed up to play is LOSING to said players when you ignore them and they flip sketch at the end.

I'll accept a good wolf win and pass around high fives. If you constantly don't show, allege you're busy, make excuses instead of actually engaging in the game and it gets you a win, I'm a real grumpy ass. So I try and nip that in the bud and don't think that's worth apologizing for.

(why yes, this is a bit of a sore spot for me why do you ask)

 

[supershorty]

Shorty - Conflicted. I had originally cleared her completely in my head with going after Z, but now with the mention of loud actions she would have known he was seered on day 2 when she really started . She very well could have bussed him for village cred and it was totally working until I started to look through her stuff. She also made a comment day 1 defending alley for minimal activity. I have never seen her wolf but I'm well aware she is very good at it and I'm skittish.

Our noob game was the only time I've wolfed, so yes, you have.

Here's my question for you: what would be the motivation for a wolf to go after veterans like AM and Lupin, like I did the last couple days? Do you really think a wolf would pick those 2 people as potential misyeet targets and argue with them? Or do you think they'd be more likely to go after people who were coming across sketchy or low posting, and who other people were seeing as potentially wolfy?

You're reading AM as village, and she's reading chaos as village - how do you feel about that?

 

[Crayola227]

Our noob game was the only time I've wolfed, so yes, you have.

Here's my question for you: what would be the motivation for a wolf to go after veterans like AM and Lupin, like I did the last couple days? Do you really think a wolf would pick those 2 people as potential misyeet targets and argue with them? Or do you think they'd be more likely to go after people who were coming across sketchy or low posting, and who other people were seeing as potentially wolfy?

You're reading AM as village, and she's reading chaos as village - how do you feel about that?

Eh, I'd say if you're wolfing and you never challenge any vet players you've got a problem.

AM has been known to be wrong.

 

[samac]

Me. And LIS. I think a couple others.

And yes, it's an easy misyeet if you're village, sure. But I don't know you're village. Silent players like kata also freaking never end up wolf killed and when they contribute nothing they are just a liability until end game.

The only thing I hate more than nonexistent players who aren't playing the game they signed up to play is LOSING to said players when you ignore them and they flip sketch at the end.

I'll accept a good wolf win and pass around high fives. If you constantly don't show, allege you're busy, make excuses instead of actually engaging in the game and it gets you a win, I'm a real grumpy ass. So I try and nip that in the bud and don't think that's worth apologizing for.

(why yes, this is a bit of a sore spot for me why do you ask)

I get that it is an easy way for wolves to wolf and understand that thought process. However every time I've went after a low poster they've flipped village and it's made me re-think that. I've helped egg on the easy votes for wolves far too many times. I truly haven't ISO'd you or LIS yet though so thanks for that.

Our noob game was the only time I've wolfed, so yes, you have.

Here's my question for you: what would be the motivation for a wolf to go after veterans like AM and Lupin, like I did the last couple days? Do you really think a wolf would pick those 2 people as potential misyeet targets and argue with them? Or do you think they'd be more likely to go after people who were coming across sketchy or low posting, and who other people were seeing as potentially wolfy?

You're reading AM as village, and she's reading chaos as village - how do you feel about that?

Sorry, totally forgot you were a wolf in the noob game. Turns out I had you confused in my head with April as far as our history goes. I remember now though, I tried to yeet you in a tie and failed at my timing lol.
The motivation could be to say "Why would I a noob go after the vets?!" I went after Zenge, and although he was new knew he was a strong player. If you could get one of those 2 misyeeted that would fair well. I also think wolves would go after those who have been low posting, like my predecessor.
AM reading chaos as village doesn't bother me that much. I'll have to look at those specific posts more to see why other than "derpclear" because derpclear doesn't cut it for me. I said dumb things my first game too.

 

[supershorty]

Eh, I'd say if you're wolfing and you never challenge any vet players you've got a problem.

Challenge, maybe, but I've done more than that. Over multiple days.

I'm not going to lie, it really annoys me when I've been busting my ass over the whole game and someone who subs in for a poster who didn't do jack to help the village cherry picks a couple things in my posting history while ignoring the other 300+ posts and the amount of work I've put in on my reads, revisions, and ISOs.

 

[samac]

Challenge, maybe, but I've more than that. Over multiple days.

I'm not going to lie, it pisses me off when I've been busting my ass over the whole game and someone who subs in for a poster who didn't do jack to help the village cherry picks a couple things in my posting history while ignoring the other 300+ posts and the amount of work I've put in on my reads, revisions, and ISOs.

Why are you so defensive? I said I was conflicted after reading you village the entire time in tot chat. I didn't even place you as a wolf lean, just that I think those early things need to be kept in mind. I was actually looking for your wolf read of Zenge to fully solidify you as village but found it was later than I thought.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'd be really interested in hearing your read on Cyndia when you get around to it, samac.

 

[samac]

I'd be really interested in hearing your read on Cyndia when you get around to it, samac.

She's who I'm working through now 🙂

 

[samac]

One question someone may be able to answer if its been discussed and I've missed it - do we know what caused the GIF post restriction?
This makes an entire day of it for both shorty and cyndia make it very difficult to iso because you have to open them individually.