Advice for Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons

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I am currently a freshman at The City College of New York. During my stay there I aim to do everything I can to get into medical school. My dream school is Columbia's College of Physicians and Surgeons and if anyone would be so kind as to lend me a few words of advice on increasing my chances of acceptance, aside from simply "get high GPA and MCAT scores", I would greatly appreciate it. 👍

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I am aware of that. My point being that I'd appreciate some advice instead of condescending remarks. I am clearly new here.
 
Maybe you should wait until tomorrow to see if any freshly accepted P&S applicants have any insight.
 
Targetting only one school is a great way to be disappointed. The process of applying to medical school is full of uncertainity and luck. You can tilt the odds but you really can't guarantee a spot in any one program, unless daddy donates enough money to build another wing onto the university hospital.

The best route to success is unique, meaningful ECs (eg move beyond volunteering a couple summers at the ER and instead open a clinic for battered women in Zimbwawe or something to that effect), get that high GPA/MCAT, get some significant research experience and if you get published, even better. Even then, I don't know if you would be guaranteed a spot at Columbia (or any other school). There are tons of examples of people on the board with insane stats/ECs (40+ MCAT/3.8+ GPA) getting rejections from multiple schools. The process is just so damn murky that no one can really predict what adcoms are looking for.
 
I got interviews at some top 20 schools and not others - you really cannot predict these things. Do you, and the rest will follow
 
Thanks notbobtrustme. I know I gave the impression of Columbia or bust but that's not how I'm thinking at all. I just see the school as something to aim at so that in the event that I do not get accepted I will be well qualified for other notable med schools. Hopefully. I'm not looking for anything cut and dry. Just a few things to help me along (I.e. moving on from volunteer work to opening a clinic). But thanks Ill try to have open mind and not be so unrealistic.
 
@raltima07 I definitely understand. The road to med school is a long and unpredictable one from what I hear from others. So I guess instead of making this about Columbia, anything about med school in general is more than enough. I am applying to volunteer at the Presbyterian hospital this summer. What should I do with that experience afterwards? Opening a clinic seems more like a long term thing.
 
@raltima07 I definitely understand. The road to med school is a long and unpredictable one from what I hear from others. So I guess instead of making this about Columbia, anything about med school in general is more than enough. I am applying to volunteer at the Presbyterian hospital this summer. What should I do with that experience afterwards? Opening a clinic seems more like a long term thing.

In general, top 20 schools (it seems like that is what you are targeting) are research heavy so work on that
 
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It's always refreshing to see people sign up and immediately act as if this community owed them something.

This community doesn't owe me anything. Anyone who offers their own words of wisdom is doing so because they rather not waste their time with refreshing comments about refreshing comments about demanding things from a community.
 
As others have said, don't be too focused on getting into one particular school. There is a bit of luck involved in admissions to any one school(especially to a 'top school' like Columbia). Interviewers, even at the same school, don't always look for the same things. At one school I was interviewed by two MPH's and both interviews focused heavily on healthcare policy--which I have no experiences on. Other interviewees did not experience this. So, if you happen to get an interviewer with whom you have nothing in common, you might be out of luck. Also, your "dream school" may change as you learn more about them, especially during the interview day. Certain schools that I thought I would really love to attend fell flat while others really impressed. Who knows, a school you currently could not imagine going to could end up being your top choice in a few years 🙂.

With all of this said, there are certain things you could do to improve your chances of getting into a "top" school.

1) Good GPA, MCAT and LORs are pretty much musts. Get to know some of your professors well so that they can write personalized and supporting recommendations for you.
2) Meaningful research experience is also looked upon favorably from what I've seen. A publication is absolutely not necessary to gain acceptance to a "top 10." But you definitely need to be able to talk about your role in the research. The key imo is to show potential.
3) Engage in activities that are meaningful to you and do them well. You want your application to paint a consistent and genuine picture of who you are. You do not need to go to Africa to volunteer or to start your own clinic, etc. in order to be admitted. Even if your EC activities are standard (e.g. hospital volunteering, teaching, etc.), that doesn't mean they are boring/cookie-cutter (it only will be cookie-cutter if you're just going through the motions with them imo). For example, when you volunteer, make an effort to get to know the patients instead of just getting them water/blankets. Likewise, if you're a TA, actively try to help your students succeed, especially the people who are genuinely struggling with the course. Being able to reflect and write thoughtfully about these experiences will speak volumes about you, much more so than simply listing being President of a do-nothing premed club.
4) Have interests outside of medicine. One interviewer chuckled as he told me about how many people listed their hospital volunteering, research, and premed club (the premed trifecta if you will) as their "most meaningful" activities :laugh:. Don't be one of those people.

Also, it might just be me, but I got the vibe that P&S seems to really like artists, musicians and performers. The med students I met there on interview day seemed to have these artsy talents.

With all this said, keep in mind that even though ECs are important, GPA/MCAT/LORs are much more important. IMO, there's a lot of SDN hype about the importance of having "unique" ECs ("you'll never get into a top school without unique activity X" 🙄). From my friends and my experiences, numbers and LORs seem to matter a lot more when determining who gets interview invites and subsequently acceptances.
 
As others have said, don't be too focused on getting into one particular school. There is a bit of luck involved in admissions to any one school(especially to a 'top school' like Columbia). Interviewers, even at the same school, don't always look for the same things. At one school I was interviewed by two MPH's and both interviews focused heavily on healthcare policy--which I have no experiences on. Other interviewees did not experience this. So, if you happen to get an interviewer with whom you have nothing in common, you might be out of luck. Also, your "dream school" may change as you learn more about them, especially during the interview day. Certain schools that I thought I would really love to attend fell flat while others really impressed. Who knows, a school you currently could not imagine going to could end up being your top choice in a few years 🙂.

With all of this said, there are certain things you could do to improve your chances of getting into a "top" school.

1) Good GPA, MCAT and LORs are pretty much musts. Get to know some of your professors well so that they can write personalized and supporting recommendations for you.
2) Meaningful research experience is also looked upon favorably from what I've seen. A publication is absolutely not necessary to gain acceptance to a "top 10." But you definitely need to be able to talk about your role in the research. The key imo is to show potential.
3) Engage in activities that are meaningful to you and do them well. You want your application to paint a consistent and genuine picture of who you are. You do not need to go to Africa to volunteer or to start your own clinic, etc. in order to be admitted. Even if your EC activities are standard (e.g. hospital volunteering, teaching, etc.), that doesn't mean they are boring/cookie-cutter (it only will be cookie-cutter if you're just going through the motions with them imo). For example, when you volunteer, make an effort to get to know the patients instead of just getting them water/blankets. Likewise, if you're a TA, actively try to help your students succeed, especially the people who are genuinely struggling with the course. Being able to reflect and write thoughtfully about these experiences will speak volumes about you, much more so than simply listing being President of a do-nothing premed club.
4) Have interests outside of medicine. One interviewer chuckled as he told me about how many people listed their hospital volunteering, research, and premed club (the premed trifecta if you will) as their "most meaningful" activities :laugh:. Don't be one of those people.

Also, it might just be me, but I got the vibe that P&S seems to really like artists, musicians and performers. The med students I met there on interview day seemed to have these artsy talents.

With all this said, keep in mind that even though ECs are important, GPA/MCAT/LORs are much more important. IMO, there's a lot of SDN hype about the importance of having "unique" ECs ("you'll never get into a top school without unique activity X" 🙄). From my friends and my experiences, numbers and LORs seem to matter a lot more when determining who gets interview invites and subsequently acceptances.

I will say this is perfectly stated 🙂
 
@thlaxer that's exactly the kind of helpful information I was looking for =]. Thanks a bunch. ECs have always worried me in that Im not particularly deft in any kind of unique sport or activity. Although I am more than willing to work hard at such activities I don't want to seem phony either. From what you said it seems like a lot of these schools look for a well balanced student that not only performs well on the required exams but is somewhat of a cultured people person. Thank you very much for that!
 
Do you play rugby? The students during my interview were joking that rugby athletes almost had an auto-in with the old Dean. Also, students at Columbia are surprisingly attractive so you could work that angle as well.
 
@thlaxer that's exactly the kind of helpful information I was looking for =]. Thanks a bunch. ECs have always worried me in that Im not particularly deft in any kind of unique sport or activity. Although I am more than willing to work hard at such activities I don't want to seem phony either. From what you said it seems like a lot of these schools look for a well balanced student that not only performs well on the required exams but is somewhat of a cultured people person. Thank you very much for that!

I don't consider myself to be very cultured or that much of a people person, but I guess I appear that way on paper :laugh:. I think that schools do look for well-roundedness in their applicants.

I would do activities that you enjoy, even if you aren't too good at them. I started playing the piano a couple years ago and quite frankly I still suck at it. I was happy to admit that in an interview and it wasn't held against me. I think that the fact that I decided to pick it up and stick with it because I enjoyed it was looked at favorably. I also cook and paint. I really sucked at both of these activities at first but have eventually found my own little niche within these activities (e.g. I can't paint realistically even if my life depended on it, but I'm good with colors and composition, so I now paint abstract stuff 😛). Trying to do something to stand out is a horrible way to go about things imo. It's much easier to stand out by doing something you enjoy (especially so if you're good at it, but that's not a must imo).

Also, along the same lines: schools aren't accepting you because you know how to play the violin, are good at football, etc. instead I heard and agree that these talents are used to show personal attributes that can be applied later on in other areas. During interviews, interviewers were much more interested on why I chose to do certain activities, how I went about doing it and what I learned as opposed to what I did.

And while getting the grades, MCAT, LOR and ECs for medical school is important, don't let it consume and dictate your life in college. There is room for fun if you balance it out 🙂. Just my thoughts and good luck!

Do you play rugby? The students during my interview were joking that rugby athletes almost had an auto-in with the old Dean. Also, students at Columbia are surprisingly attractive so you could work that angle as well.

Now that you mention it, there were a few rugby players in the common space where we ate lunch :laugh:.
 
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