CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

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Re: True. Although it seems like dubz is the only one diminishing his reads from the bit I’ve read, I’m not sure why we actually should in a multiball game?
I think it's at least worth discussing.

I think everyone would be in agreement that zenge wouldn't bus chaos, right? So they're at least not in wolfpack together. I obviously don't think true would out any other aliens so not looking there. That would mean if we were to believe him there's at least one more scum faction, right?
 
Re: True. Although it seems like dubz is the only one diminishing his reads from the bit I’ve read, I’m not sure why we actually should in a multiball game?

I haven’t read the write ups or looked up all the roles that have flipped so far, but he was an alien or whatever, right? A 3P can scumhunt just as easily as a villager can.

Unless there’s some sort of aspect to the role that would make such a thing prohibitive or contrary to his survival.
Walk me through why he would, if he really thought Zenge and I were scum, not say anything about it for most of the game, and then suddenly decide he wanted to help village out at the moment that he's about to die.

I mean it makes zero sense to me (not just because I know it's at least 50% bull****) and seems like he was just trying to mess with people's heads. These aren't reads he was talking about throughout the game in an effort to scumhunt. These were outted scum declarations that he was 100% sure we're scum. That doesn't seem sketchy as hell to anyone else? Am I taking crazy pills?
 
Lumi wasn’t hinting at it. They said it outright.
I wouldn't call it that Lumi said it outright. It's one thing to say "I am bloodhound" and another to make you go search for the information. Not everyone in the game realized the claim.
The fact that duplicate roles aren't possible is something that really really really really really really needs to be included in the sign-up post's OP. You've all played this setup before, so you knew that already, but no one bothered to tell me that... or include it in the sign-ups for the game...

Read the first letter of each word of my first post. Black goo claim was to try to get scum to not visit me because they'd get converted to cult - like a bulletproof that doesn't fear strongmen kills.

The fact that it caught Chaos lying unintentionally was hilarious.
By luminous out of day, here only, unto nightly dark
 
I wouldn't call it that Lumi said it outright. It's one thing to say "I am bloodhound" and another to make you go search for the information. Not everyone in the game realized the claim.
I mean, how much closer could you get than giving obvious directions to a single post? It wasn't like they wre jsut cryptically hinting at the role
 
I wouldn't call it that Lumi said it outright. It's one thing to say "I am bloodhound" and another to make you go search for the information. Not everyone in the game realized the claim.
Okay, and not everyone would necessarily know the claim even if Lumi had said "I am bloodhound" outright in that post instead, because not everyone reads every post in the thread, but it still would have been talked about. Anyone who saw the post was highly likely to go back to see what they were claiming.

And as I have said time and time again, scum picks up on softs much more often than village does, and this wasn't even a soft. So I don't understand what point you're making.
 
I mean, if you’re not village, you’ve gotta go. Sorry. Have a good time on your vacation though.

The thing is, this could still be a lie. The same way Chaos’s Judas claim was a lie. We can’t leave you unflipped at this point.

Alley he literally just confessed to being scum.

You don’t know that’s true though. It’s like with Chaos’s fake Judas claim. We won’t know until we actually flip him.

This is Scum, admitting he’s scum, telling you not to yeet him. He’s not domesticated. You cannot domesticate him. It’s an exclusive scum, who could be lying about the alien claim.

We’ve only had one night cycle, so the idea that he would have any kind of seering role and know both Dubz and my affiliation is literally an impossible fantasy. There is no role ability that would tell you 2 players affiliations in a single night.

Lumi wasn’t hinting at it. They said it outright.
Seems kind of harsh on true after being outed.
Not that we would have sheeped the vote for too long but we can hear them out. Info is info - why is it bad to wait to hammer. True was an extremely easy vote for scum to pile onto and scream on thread “They admit it! Vote em out before they kill you all” - all the while just going for the easy push to keep their own packmates/self free from being on the possible chopping block or questioned. + Zenge trying to make other players jump on board that hammering True right away where there 1.5 hrs before vote close. I realize this is similar to the conversation of working or not working with 3P and people have pretty strong opinions on that front - not matter wolf/village allignment
 
I wouldn't call it that Lumi said it outright. It's one thing to say "I am bloodhound" and another to make you go search for the information. Not everyone in the game realized the claim.
Okay, well, this being a ridiculous argument aside, I wasn’t the first one to put the letters together and spell the word on the thread, Dubz was.
Theoretically bloodhound should be self-resolving


Unyeet Lumi
So I don’t understand your insistence on crucifying me for “outting Lumi’s PR”.

Which again is an absurd argument anyway. Lumi said point blank “This is my PR. If you can read here are the letters -> B L O O D H O U N D”

Claiming I or anyone other than Lumi themselves outted Lumi’s PR is bonkers.
 
Walk me through why he would, if he really thought Zenge and I were scum, not say anything about it for most of the game, and then suddenly decide he wanted to help village out at the moment that he's about to die.

I mean it makes zero sense to me (not just because I know it's at least 50% bull****) and seems like he was just trying to mess with people's heads. These aren't reads he was talking about throughout the game in an effort to scumhunt. These were outted scum declarations that he was 100% sure we're scum. That doesn't seem sketchy as hell to anyone else? Am I taking crazy pills?
I can make an argument eother way for him sharing his true scumreads while trying to look like he’s scumhunting or trying to stomp village and signal to other scum, then share true reads at the end as a “**** it, time for chaos”. He could equally have shared fake ones as a “**** it, time for chaos”. If he doesn’t have ang alien buds, it’s just a crapshoot trying to figure out if he wants village or other scum to win. I think the only way to judge which reads to accept as his real reads is just gut tone reading.

If he does have alien buds, I’m unsure if there’s a way to logic out whether he would see village or other scum as more of a threat to them - I don’t think so. Would just dismiss his reads as classic antispew/WIFOM in that case.
 
Seems kind of harsh on true after being outed.
How was it “harsh”?
Not that we would have sheeped the vote for too long but we can hear them out. Info is info
it wasn’t “info”. It was literally anti-spew. True had been village reading Dubz and I all game practically until 10 minutes before he was about to go down. These weren’t real reads, and certainly not PR driven information.
why is it bad to wait to hammer.
I literally never said “Let’s hammer” this is an absurd lie you’re telling.
True was an extremely easy vote for scum to pile onto and scream on thread “They admit it! Vote em out before they kill you all” - all the while just going for the easy push to keep their own packmates/self free from being on the possible chopping block or questioned.
i really don’t like this. We spent an entire cycle talking about players and where to vote. Which you barely contributed to.
+ Zenge trying to make other players jump on board that hammering True right away where there 1.5 hrs before vote close.
This literally didn’t happen. Where did I ever tell people you need to hammer or you need to vote for True? I really don’t like people lying about what I’m saying and doing on thread.
 
I can make an argument eother way for him sharing his true scumreads while trying to look like he’s scumhunting or trying to stomp village and signal to other scum, then share true reads at the end as a “**** it, time for chaos”. He could equally have shared fake ones as a “**** it, time for chaos”. If he doesn’t have ang alien buds, it’s just a crapshoot trying to figure out if he wants village or other scum to win. I think the only way to judge which reads to accept as his real reads is just gut tone reading.

If he does have alien buds, I’m unsure if there’s a way to logic out whether he would see village or other scum as more of a threat to them - I don’t think so. Would just dismiss his reads as classic antispew/WIFOM in that case.
That's why I'm not understanding this whole thing. Unless someone here is good enough at reading True to say which set of reads would be real, I don't know why several people are letting their own reads be influenced by what he said.

All I can say is my personal side of it, which is knowing he was wrong about me, and believing the same for Zenge. And that besides that, I do not believe for one moment he would suddenly be inclined to help village when he's about to die.
 
And with Sporty seeming confused about why her role being outted would mean she should share results, and letting the night pass without doing so, and talking about listening to outted scum which seems wildly out of character for her, I'm very concerned that Lumi was lying about being bloodhound and that she subbed into a scum role.
 
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And with Sporty seeming confused about why her role being outted would mean she should share results, and letting the night pass without doing so, and talking about listening to outted scum which seems wildly out of character for her, I'm very concerned that Lumi was lying about being bloodhound and that she subbed into a scum role.
Okay this post aged great
 
Stumping and a single other kill...

I wonder if two of the kills n1 were from the same faction. I do think True was probably telling the truth about killing shorty, given the fact that she can read him so well. If PSV and Lawpy were killed by the same faction that would help explain the spookiness.
 
Stumping and a single other kill...

I wonder if two of the kills n1 were from the same faction. I do think True was probably telling the truth about killing shorty, given the fact that she can read him so well. If PSV and Lawpy were killed by the same faction that would help explain the spookiness.
Both stumps were at least modestly scum read, right? Possibly still a villager stumping people?
 
Yes I had a 1x cop ability that I can share if y'all want. I only hesitate at the risk of making someone a night kill target but am assuming that's worth it?
Maybe hold off unless they're in danger of being yeeted. You can't die so we don't have to worry about losing the info.

Both stumps were at least modestly scum read, right? Possibly still a villager stumping people?
Yeah I'm still leaning that way, you would have been an odd scum kill unless scum knew about your ability somehow
 
Dead is @SportPonies Village Hero (Tentacled Villager + Village Hero)
schitts creek ok GIF by CBC

Sorry @SportPonies hope you didn't spend too much time catching up on a thread that you didn't have time to participate in
 
Although @WorthlessOxygen since your ability confirms Mafia/not Mafia, if you happened to get a result on me I authorize you to share it whenever you want so I at least don't have to deal with that argument. And also because I would love to be nightkilled rn.

Though I'm sure it'll just switch to people thinking I'm a wolf since I was trying to get people to move off of chaos, but what can ya do.
 
Still need to see more from @WonderingStudent and @holdthemayo

I'm worried that my village "blocc" is just people who are talking most and POE is people who are not, not sure if that's because the chattier people actually are village or if it's just the participation bias.
 
Wonder - starting to get concerned here given the weird things she's decided to focus on, and that it seems she's kind of skating by on her role claim. She's also way underposting what I remember from her prior village games, though memory is faulty so she could have had less active ones. I also don't have a good feel for what her reads are.

Mayo - we have a total of 10 posts from this slot all game. I don't have enough to make any kind of read here.

Mkg - I just don't even know, currently on hold while I wait for Zenge to expand on his read.

genny - My initial inclination was still to read her as some kind of scum. But looking at StardeWW, which would be the recent example of scum!genny in a multiball game, her posts seemed different there. She actually was hunting a bit more actively and was more serious when she was around. I can't fully remove her from the POE but I do think some of her posts, especially about the chaos vote, read like a villager frustrated that she isn't being taken seriously.

alley - I was reading her village but I need to revisit here too, and I wasn't kidding about her losing village points last night. I'm planning to do some cross-referencing with the previous CYO game. It doesn't escape me that she hasn't been scum in a long time and might have been tempted if she had the choice.

Vis - I feel like I need to revisit just to be thorough. My gut says village but my gut is questionable this game. I will say her suspicions of me feel more like village Vis than my previous encounters with scum!Vis leaning into Dubz paranoia, but I've also called her out for the latter before, so it's hard to make a solid determination. I would be hard pressed to vote here today without a really solid case though.

Zenge - My reading permit says he's village. He feels more involved here even than he was in the anniversary game, even though he was wolfhunting as scum there. The wonder/chaos theory is along the lines of things I've seen him come up with as village and not as scum. In my opinion the reaction he had to True's post yesterday was very different (much quicker and more direct) from the reactions he had to sunny and cubs outting him in the anniversary game. If this is scum Zenge I'm scared 🙂
 
I don’t really trust Dubz, but I don’t understand why this is an “anymore” thing. What changed?
I was feeling pretty good about her by the end of D2 and beginning of D1. Then the whole True thing came out and it made me question if I had decided to trust her too quickly
 
Walk me through why he would, if he really thought Zenge and I were scum, not say anything about it for most of the game, and then suddenly decide he wanted to help village out at the moment that he's about to die.

I mean it makes zero sense to me (not just because I know it's at least 50% bull****) and seems like he was just trying to mess with people's heads. These aren't reads he was talking about throughout the game in an effort to scumhunt. These were outted scum declarations that he was 100% sure we're scum. That doesn't seem sketchy as hell to anyone else? Am I taking crazy pills?
You’re not taking crazy pills. I think True obviously knew he was going down, so either he decided to completely mess with village or try and help them out with his claims about you and Z. Idk if he would rather have another scum faction win or village win once he knew he wasn’t surviving. Which is, again, why I’m taking his claims with a heavy dose of skepticism.
 
Yes I had a 1x cop ability that I can share if y'all want. I only hesitate at the risk of making someone a night kill target but am assuming that's worth it?
I didn’t have any night results (so idek if actions are loud), but feel free to reveal if you decided to look at me
 
@Zenge142 I know you're busy today but when you get the chance could you point out some of what you were seeing from mk this game vs other games that led to the conclusion that she's village here?
Seconding this. I’ve been yo-yoing about MKG and I feel like her wolf play in the noob game seemed relatively obvious to me (probably because of my manator status and mechanics knowledge) but her previous wolf games of RvB and England are a lot fuzzier. Idk if it was just bias because she’s funny while drunk, but her posting last night was very care-free and idk if she would’ve posted on thread while intoxicated if she was scumming
 
Still need to see more from @WonderingStudent and @holdthemayo

I'm worried that my village "blocc" is just people who are talking most and POE is people who are not, not sure if that's because the chattier people actually are village or if it's just the participation bias.
This is my concern too, which is why I got so paranoid about y’all after True posted that last night. Like am I actively trying to form a blocc with scum? Quiet threads are extremely beneficial to scum, which is why I’m urging everyone to please post.
 
alley - I was reading her village but I need to revisit here too, and I wasn't kidding about her losing village points last night. I'm planning to do some cross-referencing with the previous CYO game. It doesn't escape me that she hasn't been scum in a long time and might have been tempted if she had the choice.
Lmao I haven’t been a wolf in a year and I have zero interest in being one rn with how crappy my IRL has been. I know I chose to wolf in the last CYO so y’all aren’t going to believe me, but I didn’t even have the option to be scum this year. I had 2 village roles and the affiliation-changing one shot townie role to choose from. I discarded the one shot townie so you know that’s not my role. I have a village ability and my alignment is village from the village mason role that I shared previously.
 
Seconding this. I’ve been yo-yoing about MKG and I feel like her wolf play in the noob game seemed relatively obvious to me (probably because of my manator status and mechanics knowledge) but her previous wolf games of RvB and England are a lot fuzzier. Idk if it was just bias because she’s funny while drunk, but her posting last night was very care-free and idk if she would’ve posted on thread while intoxicated if she was scumming
I think I said something similar about Dana in Globe so I'm not putting much stock into scum being careful when they're drunk :laugh:
 
Then again I legit posted on the CYO thread last year as scum while I was quite hydrated so idk 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think I said something similar about Dana in Globe so I'm not putting much stock into scum being careful when they're drunk :laugh:
Yeah, see my post above reconsidering that😂

I didn’t play globe, so was a wolf!dana posting while hydrated a lot or something?
 
Okay so like everything Lumi told us was a lie. Don’t understand the FPS but whatever, now we’ve resolved that slot.

However, I am feeling pretty good about reading Sporty and I’m glad I was accurate for the few hours she was in the game. I still feel bad that she subbed in, read a bunch, and then was immediately nk’d
 
Here’s where I’m at:

Ordered from most to least village

Vis- nothing has pinged me about her play and I have been agreeing with her posts this game. There’s a certain tone or quality of her posts when she’s wolfing that I haven’t really seen here.

Dubz- I reaaaally want her to be village. Her push against WO2 was one of the most concerning things for me, because it felt like something she could easily manufacture as a power wolf. I can’t judge her either way for the push away from chaos, because I did the same thing and I know I’m village.

genny- has been kinda snarky and I was a bit upset with some of her comments. Her strategy posts this game have made me feel like I’ve gotten a small glimpse at village!genny. I also don’t remember the last time I played with wolf!genny so it’s hard to say but overall feeling like she’s more village than not.

Zenge- argh. Was feeling pingy at first and then better about him, now I’m worried after the reaction he had to true’s reveal. That reaction just didn’t seem very village, but the stretchiness and wonder theory have felt like village!zenge. I would like to see a reads list from him to help me decide. He feels different from scum!Zenge that I picked up on in anniversary but also not quite the same as wolf!Zenge from bowling either. Noting that he cannot be a wolf since he doesn’t bus and he voted for chaos.

Mkg- sounds like village MKG, but again still not certain at all. Needing to see more for sure, plus hoping Zenge has some insight on her.

Wonder- lots of posts disagreeing with Zenge and not quite keeping up with the current thread state. Also been pretty absent and I’m having a hard time getting a read on them. Some things have been pretty pro-village (especially black goo reveal) but I haven’t seen much since then.

Mayo- I literally don’t know what to do with this slot. The role is probably completely random since Stagg was MIA. The few posts Mayo made makes me think that he’s coming from a village perspective, but 10 posts out of 40 pages is not enough to get any kind of read.
 
Zenge- argh. Was feeling pingy at first and then better about him, now I’m worried after the reaction he had to true’s reveal. That reaction just didn’t seem very village, but the stretchiness and wonder theory have felt like village!zenge. I would like to see a reads list from him to help me decide. He feels different from scum!Zenge that I picked up on in anniversary but also not quite the same as wolf!Zenge from bowling either. Noting that he cannot be a wolf since he doesn’t bus and he voted for chaos.
I might have missed your answer earlier, but what weee the early pings?
 
Although @WorthlessOxygen since your ability confirms Mafia/not Mafia, if you happened to get a result on me I authorize you to share it whenever you want so I at least don't have to deal with that argument. And also because I would love to be nightkilled rn.

Though I'm sure it'll just switch to people thinking I'm a wolf since I was trying to get people to move off of chaos, but what can ya do.
Seconding This @WorthlessOxygen
@Zenge142 I know you're busy today but when you get the chance could you point out some of what you were seeing from mk this game vs other games that led to the conclusion that she's village here?
I think it might be easier for you to tell me what from MK concerns you, and I can tell you my interpretation and why I think it’s coming from a village MK mindset. In general her overall tone and way of approaching the game, feels like a more village!MK approach. Idk it’s never been something I’ve been good at putting to words. The content she posts just feels like a genuine game solving effort to me.
Wonder - starting to get concerned here given the weird things she's decided to focus on, and that it seems she's kind of skating by on her role claim. She's also way underposting what I remember from her prior village games, though memory is faulty so she could have had less active ones. I also don't have a good feel for what her reads are.

Mayo - we have a total of 10 posts from this slot all game. I don't have enough to make any kind of read here.

Mkg - I just don't even know, currently on hold while I wait for Zenge to expand on his read.

genny - My initial inclination was still to read her as some kind of scum. But looking at StardeWW, which would be the recent example of scum!genny in a multiball game, her posts seemed different there. She actually was hunting a bit more actively and was more serious when she was around. I can't fully remove her from the POE but I do think some of her posts, especially about the chaos vote, read like a villager frustrated that she isn't being taken seriously.

alley - I was reading her village but I need to revisit here too, and I wasn't kidding about her losing village points last night. I'm planning to do some cross-referencing with the previous CYO game. It doesn't escape me that she hasn't been scum in a long time and might have been tempted if she had the choice.

Vis - I feel like I need to revisit just to be thorough. My gut says village but my gut is questionable this game. I will say her suspicions of me feel more like village Vis than my previous encounters with scum!Vis leaning into Dubz paranoia, but I've also called her out for the latter before, so it's hard to make a solid determination. I would be hard pressed to vote here today without a really solid case though.

Zenge - My reading permit says he's village. He feels more involved here even than he was in the anniversary game, even though he was wolfhunting as scum there. The wonder/chaos theory is along the lines of things I've seen him come up with as village and not as scum. In my opinion the reaction he had to True's post yesterday was very different (much quicker and more direct) from the reactions he had to sunny and cubs outting him in the anniversary game. If this is scum Zenge I'm scared 🙂
I mostly agree with this list. Obviously I have MK higher up. I’m curious though, you were ready to yeet genny yesterday but today you have her higher than Mayo who in my mind is pure neutral, since he hasn’t posted almost anything, or certainly not enough to get a good read. So I guess, do you disagree that Mayo is just Neutral and you’re putting him lower, or if he is Neutral, that would make genny a village lean, which feels like a big shift from your feelings about genny yesterday. Can you clarify your thoughts and feelings here?
 
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