Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

---

Members do not see this ad.

Unyeet wiisp
Yeet genny

Why so?

 

[WildZoo]

(I'm not just sorting based on who was talking about factions.

And I also don't think everyone in the first list is in my faction)

That's what I read "information level" as. Not sure I want clarification on that at the moment actually

And I figured not, I was actually implying that you were reading the second list as definitely outside of your faction.

 

[chicandtoughness]

I will say this is by far the most wolfy thing to me that fluff has said. But that's such a giant slip as a wolf...

I was thinking this too, like what an odd thing for a wolf to say.

BUT, I do think it's troublesome that a lot of people have made statements that assume some HUGE things about game mechanics. Some folks made the assumption that their assigned house is their faction/affiliation (it could be, we don't know - you might not have to win with your entire house, or you might have a separate wincon than another house, etc) Some have made the assumption that we should have knowledge of the others in our house.

In a typical WW game, the villagers don't know each other. Even when there is a 3p or a multi-faction game, the members of the faction typically do not know who each other is. No one else would know for sure that someone isn't in their faction unless they were wolf.

I know sometimes as a wolf, I get so stuck in my gameplay that I accidentally make statements that would be totally obvious to me as wolf, but no one else could possibly know, and sometimes I'll toss that out into chat without realizing what a huge tell it is. Last game I panicked when fluff swapped me and Runner because we both had blood on our hands, until the mods were like "literally no one else knows this, you only know because you have asymmetric information as a wolf." Like oh. Right. I forget that not everyone else is privy to all of the information that I have.

Long story short, even if fluff isn't wolf, it doesn't sit quite well with me that she's implying she knows exactly who her allies are. I certainly don't know who everyone in my faction/affiliation is. I don't think most of us do, or else, as stated before, the game would end very quickly. I don't know how to read this other than it feels sus and strange, so I'm going with my sus-dar.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 1: What Even Is A Vote Tally?

Santy ()
AM ()
chic ()
Nate ()
Clem ()
PSV (5) - SOV, Wondalfy, Santy, fluff, zuri
SOV ()
Wiisp ()
genny (4) - DubZ, Clem, alley, PlumPoppy
zuri (6) - SAR, Veggie, AM, genny, miranda920, CaptNemo
Veggie (2) - wiisp, mothy
April (2) - Vis, Nate
fluff (4) - Zenge, PSV, April, chic

23/24

Leading: @zuriburi
missing: @HW_88

Vote closes at 9pm CST (~43 MINUTES)

 

[chicandtoughness]

In full transparency, I was about to vote zuri or AM for the sole reason that the back and forth was getting exhausting and I didn't want to read any more of it, but decided to NOT be a naughty noob who votes because they don't like someone's playstyle.

 

[miranda920]

Long story short, even if fluff isn't wolf, it doesn't sit quite well with me that she's implying she knows exactly who her allies are. I certainly don't know who everyone in my faction is. I don't think most of us do, or else, as stated before, the game would end very quickly. I don't know how to read this other than it feels sus and strange, so I'm going with my sus-dar.

This is such a good point 😳

 

[zuriburi]

I didn't say you haven't been helpful. I don't think voicing that you have a wincon to Mortal Kombat another faction feels especially pro-town

almost flipped back to April and thought about this more and this feels like a very easy way for a wolf to push a yeet train on a villager based on fluff talking through what I believe to be a pretty standard wincon in this game. Like the setup literally describes 3 factions at war. No village faction that’s not at war twiddling their thumbs. No commoners or students innocently caught in the fray. Some people seem to be claiming that, but that’s also just not really how the world of fire emblem works. Everyone…monks, teachers, children, future time babies… end up getting involved in wars. having an enemy faction makes more sense than not having one.

 

[zuriburi]

This is such a good point 😳

Not really I think she just has a different role in her faction. she could be a faction leader or have a power that allows her to know that. My guess is the people in fluff’s faction don’t know they’re in a faction with her.

 

[alleycat03]

If you're that far behind, might be worthwhile just to hang out and chat with us in real time!
Why'd you swap to genny?

Sorry, not going to happen tonight. I’m at my grandparents’ house for a belated family Christmas.

Your point about genny having a perspective slip about not hunting wolves is why I’m voting there.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Not really I think she just has a different role in her faction. she could be a faction leader or have a power that allows her to know that. My guess is the people in fluff’s faction don’t know they’re in a faction with her.

That still doesn't sit well with me, for the sole reason that I think it's poor game design. With 25 individuals, assuming fairly equal distribution and your hypothesis of 3 house = 3 factions, that's like 7 people in each faction + 4-5 wolves. Giving one person the (sole) power to auto-clear 7 individuals as non-wolf feels too OP.

 

[WildZoo]

Long story short, even if fluff isn't wolf, it doesn't sit quite well with me that she's implying she knows exactly who her allies are. I certainly don't know who everyone in my faction/affiliation is. I don't think most of us do, or else, as stated before, the game would end very quickly. I don't know how to read this other than it feels sus and strange, so I'm going with my sus-dar.

I can see where you're coming from but I've definitely played faction games where some faction members all knew each other, or some members of factions knew who the others were, etc etc.

And I do have a pretty hard time believing fluff would be like "Yup I know who my allies are" if those allies were in fact the wolves.

It's possible, but I'm not sure I'd give it that much weight.

 

[genny]

genny having a perspective slip

is it really a slip if i straight up say, hey guys, have some of my weird thoughts?

 

[Wondalfy]

I can see where you're coming from but I've definitely played faction games where some faction members all knew each other, or some members of factions knew who the others were, etc etc.

And I do have a pretty hard time believing fluff would be like "Yup I know who my allies are" if those allies were in fact the wolves.

It's possible, but I'm not sure I'd give it that much weight.

This + once again, would be wild for fluff to be a wolf and claim they're supposed to kill a whole group of people

 

[miranda920]

Not really I think she just has a different role in her faction. she could be a faction leader or have a power that allows her to know that. My guess is the people in fluff’s faction don’t know they’re in a faction with her.

Why would she as a leader know her allies, but not the other way around? That just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe it's my lack of experience, but seems off

 

[Santygrass]

That still doesn't sit well with me, for the sole reason that I think it's poor game design. With 25 individuals, assuming fairly equal distribution and your hypothesis of 3 house = 3 factions, that's like 7 people in each faction + 4-5 wolves. Giving one person the (sole) power to auto-clear 7 individuals as non-wolf feels too OP.

They never learn, do they?

This game could easily fit 6 different factions. And even some neutral people who dont belong to any. So please, dont do assumptions on game design to solve.

We have plenty fo content which is not mech-related, or at least not related to the game design/affiliations to discuss

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Lmao I've learned I cannot digest onions

 

[miranda920]

Lmao I've learned I cannot digest onions

that sounds unpleasant

 

[zuriburi]

That still doesn't sit well with me, for the sole reason that I think it's poor game design. With 25 individuals, assuming fairly equal distribution and your hypothesis of 3 house = 3 factions, that's like 7 people in each faction + 4-5 wolves. Giving one person the (sole) power to auto-clear 7 individuals as non-wolf feels too OP.

I think there’s probably at least 4 nonwolf factions (3 houses + the church) and again since the factions are all pitted against each other its not beneficial to list who your faction is because you’re telling the other factions who to go after.

 

[NateTheLesser]

That's what I read "information level" as. Not sure I want clarification on that at the moment actually

And I figured not, I was actually implying that you were reading the second list as definitely outside of your faction.

(No, it just seems like the second list ppl started with different information than me. But I'm not assuming that everyone in the same faction started with the same information, so people in either list could be in my faction for all I know. Once we get some flips it'll hopefully shed some light on where those lines are drawn)

 

[justafluff]

Not really I think she just has a different role in her faction. she could be a faction leader or have a power that allows her to know that. My guess is the people in fluff’s faction don’t know they’re in a faction with her.

Yes. In response to everyone's questions, I have no indication they know and I think it's just something that's tied to my character.

 

[WildZoo]

Why would she as a leader know her allies, but not the other way around? That just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe it's my lack of experience, but seems off

Well I wasn't gonna just up and say it like zuri did but since we're here...

I have seen games (okay one game) where the "faction leaders" know who the other members of the faction are but the other members don't know who their leaders are, or don't know each other.

But we're kind of getting into the weeds in role stuff again which is like...not...ideal...

 

[Aprilthearab]

I agree fluff switching a vote to appease others is wolfy-ish and so they're on my radar. But I also think it'd be absolutely wild if they were a wolf and came in saying they are supposed to kill a specific faction in the game lol, so at this point I'm leaning towards fluff just not being confident in their yeets.

Oh. Right. I forgot about this

Hmmmmm

 

[chicandtoughness]

They never learn, do they?

This game could easily fit 6 different factions. And even some neutral people who dont belong to any. So please, dont do assumptions on game design to solve.

We have plenty fo content which is not mech-related, or at least not related to the game design/affiliations to discuss

Yes, I've been one of the most vocal pushers of the "don't assume anything about mechanics" camp here. I was pointing out to Zuri how their suggestion would be absolutely absurd if we were using Zuri's prior logic (regarding 3 houses = 3 factions). Does that make sense?

 

[motheatenlysis]

I'm very suspicious of anyone voting for me so eagerly. Feels very much like a sacrifice/way to make a noob who doesn't get all the social dynamics yet look like a wolf. In general I'm a person who spends a lot of time observing and keeping things to myself. And setting that aside the last time I really tried to stand up for myself I was killed by wolves the same night.

Fair. Forgot you were also a fellow nooblet and not a nooblet 2.0/padawan.

I WAS ON A PLANE

with....snakes?

Yep, and I was way too invested lmao. t r a u m a t i z e d I tell you!

Btw as a related thought: I find wolves imo typically fall into the "HOLY **** I'M A WOLF I GOTTA OVERANALYZE EVERYTHING I SAY" camp, or the "sooooo I'm just gonna... stand here and look innocent and helpful" camp, so in a somewhat illogical/not really good method of reading, I tend to be sus of folks who are way too defensive early, or folks who are too passive. It's harder to read passiveness in a forum game, especially given this time of year = lots of interview travel and stress, so I'm trying to give the quieter folks benefit of the doubt.

Mothy is just overwhelmed. I also did post earlier who I felt was wolfy/village. I haven't updated the spreadsheet cuz, reasons. And, overwhelmed. [Also, I was OOP for a lot of the day because I had a brunch date with my good friend and her momma, and then I had a date date that acutally went really well for once!]

In a typical WW game, the villagers don't know each other. Even when there is a 3p or a multi-faction game, the members of the faction typically do not know who each other is. No one else would know for sure that someone isn't in their faction unless they were wolf.

That's not exactly true. For example, I was a mason last game, so I knew for sure that Kitty was village. We maybe don't have typical WW roles, but we are talking war here, and we can't discount factions having special ops of sorts where PMs are permitted between players. This really makes me want to put a vote up for you tonight, but, you are also a noob, and I won't be voting a fellow noob on D1.

Sorry Pops. @kaydubs

Unyeet Veg
Yeet Nate

 

[Viscernable]

almost flipped back to April and thought about this more and this feels like a very easy way for a wolf to push a yeet train on a villager based on fluff talking through what I believe to be a pretty standard wincon in this game. Like the setup literally describes 3 factions at war. No village faction that’s not at war twiddling their thumbs. No commoners or students innocently caught in the fray. Some people seem to be claiming that, but that’s also just not really how the world of fire emblem works. Everyone…monks, teachers, children, future time babies… end up getting involved in wars. having an enemy faction makes more sense than not having one.

Assumptions, zuri! Since I’m fine with revealing this, I have no specific enemy faction except wolves

 

[Santygrass]

Yes, I've been one of the most vocal pushers of the "don't assume anything about mechanics" camp here. I was pointing out to Zuri how their suggestion would be absolutely absurd if we were using Zuri's prior logic. Does that make sense?

Makes sense, but its not a path/logic that should be followed. The fact that fluff knows their allies is not sus by itself because it could fit in a lot of games designs.


Talking about how it could be certain design and that would make it sus, its just confbiasing a read and

 

[NateTheLesser]

That still doesn't sit well with me, for the sole reason that I think it's poor game design. With 25 individuals, assuming fairly equal distribution and your hypothesis of 3 house = 3 factions, that's like 7 people in each faction + 4-5 wolves. Giving one person the (sole) power to auto-clear 7 individuals as non-wolf feels too OP.

(That's partly why we're cautioning against treating faction membership and alignment as the same thing. I believe that fluff knows who's in her faction, the fact that she knows it should be treated as NAI. Being in the same faction should also be treated as NAI)

 

[Wiisp]

I know who my leader is, idk if that's dangerous to out
but ohh well

 

[miranda920]

with....snakes?

no snakes on this plane!

 

[justafluff]

Why would she as a leader know her allies, but not the other way around? That just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe it's my lack of experience, but seems off

I didn't design the game fren ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[WildZoo]

its just confbiasing a read and

And what? AND WHAT??!?!

 

[zuriburi]

Ok I think I’ve been staring at the screen for way too long and don’t think I can absorb any new information. I’m gonna set this down and take a peek shortly before vote close in case I’m about to be yeeted and can do something about it but otherwise my eyes and brain need a break. How is this d1

 

[Aprilthearab]

Okay. So I made an assumption that’s dangerous. Why is that wolfy?

Because when we say dangerous, we mean dangerous for village. Endangering village = pro wolf

 

[WildZoo]

I know who my leader is, idk if that's dangerous to out
but ohh well

Wisp pls

 

[Santygrass]

Skill Issue moment where I hit send and I was actually trying to rephrase what I was saying.

Confbiasing as in (Having a result and wanting to explain why , with the process backwards. As in Result > Process as to why when it should be solving > Result . If it makes any sense wowee)

Anyways I'll stop talking about this since Im not fully caught up / skimmed most of what happened and I think we should be focusing on the wagons

 

[Wiisp]

Fair. Forgot you were also a fellow nooblet and not a nooblet 2.0/padawan.

with....snakes?

Mothy is just overwhelmed. I also did post earlier who I felt was wolfy/village. I haven't updated the spreadsheet cuz, reasons. And, overwhelmed. [Also, I was OOP for a lot of the day because I had a brunch date with my good friend and her momma, and then I had a date date that acutally went really well for once!]

That's not exactly true. For example, I was a mason last game, so I knew for sure that Kitty was village. We maybe don't have typical WW roles, but we are talking war here, and we can't discount factions having special ops of sorts where PMs are permitted between players. This really makes me want to put a vote up for you tonight, but, you are also a noob, and I won't be voting a fellow noob on D1.

Sorry Pops. @kaydubs

Unyeet Veg
Yeet Nate

did u like talk about Nate previously? else this vote seems out of place

 

[Santygrass]

Unyeet PSV
Yeet genny

 

[Viscernable]

That still doesn't sit well with me, for the sole reason that I think it's poor game design. With 25 individuals, assuming fairly equal distribution and your hypothesis of 3 house = 3 factions, that's like 7 people in each faction + 4-5 wolves. Giving one person the (sole) power to auto-clear 7 individuals as non-wolf feels too OP.

Ehhh in a factional game where there are wincons beyond just yeeting wolves, not really.

 

[genny]

Assumptions, zuri! Since I’m fine with revealing this, I have no specific enemy faction except wolves

i feel like this could be revealing if i actually knew anything about the source material. like zuri's faction is at war with one of the others at least, but yours is switzerland?

i wish i had a pm buddy to figure this all out.

 

[Santygrass]

And what? AND WHAT??!?!

Pay €5 and find out!

 

[chicandtoughness]

I will stand corrected with my previous statement of "fluff knowing exactly who her allies are is sus", as enough folks have identified prior experiences or situations in which this is actually not sus at all. I have only played one other multi-faction game in my life and it was all blind, so I probably allowed that to bias my perspective.

The other identified sus I have on fluff still stands.

 

[Wiisp]

@WildZoo
sorry mom, dont hurt me

@kaydubs
can I get new VC? plz and thanks

 

[Santygrass]

Unyeet PSV
Yeet genny

@kaydubs I forgor

 

[NateTheLesser]

Fair. Forgot you were also a fellow nooblet and not a nooblet 2.0/padawan.

with....snakes?

Mothy is just overwhelmed. I also did post earlier who I felt was wolfy/village. I haven't updated the spreadsheet cuz, reasons. And, overwhelmed. [Also, I was OOP for a lot of the day because I had a brunch date with my good friend and her momma, and then I had a date date that acutally went really well for once!]

That's not exactly true. For example, I was a mason last game, so I knew for sure that Kitty was village. We maybe don't have typical WW roles, but we are talking war here, and we can't discount factions having special ops of sorts where PMs are permitted between players. This really makes me want to put a vote up for you tonight, but, you are also a noob, and I won't be voting a fellow noob on D1.

Sorry Pops. @kaydubs

Unyeet Veg
Yeet Nate

Think I need a paternity test.

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo
sorry mom, dont hurt me

 

[Viscernable]

is it really a slip if i straight up say, hey guys, have some of my weird thoughts?

You tripped and had one hell of a butt-typing incident

 

[chicandtoughness]

Ok I think I’ve been staring at the screen for way too long and don’t think I can absorb any new information. I’m gonna set this down and take a peek shortly before vote close in case I’m about to be yeeted and can do something about it but otherwise my eyes and brain need a break. How is this d1

It's been a long af D1, idk if I can play another 36/12 game lol

 

[genny]

You tripped and had one hell of a butt-typing incident

actually i just let ruthie play for a while. turns out she really likes wolves. who knew?

 

[Santygrass]

Think I need a paternity test.

Kids amirite

 

[PlumPoppy]

I'm catching up with everything bc damn everyone goes so fast.

As far as zuri, I could definitely be proven wrong (as my early voting streak was terrible), but I am not getting wolfy vibes. Zuri has doubled down a lot on his theory this game, which is something he like never did as a wolf. Also, I don't know why you'd double down so hard on a theory that's potentially incorrect as a wolf and bring that much attention to yourself.

I agree with this line of thinking. Wolf!zuri early game seemed to just throw stones at everyone, poke holes in their logics, and continue on. (except with matt) It wasn't until later he really pressed hard? But maybe he's trying to play differently from last time?

Sus because you've been uncharacteristically quiet:
miranda, Poppy, Wonda

Fair. I need to recalibrate my wolf-dar. I choked so bad the last game it's kinda knocked the wind out my sails. So I'm a bit traumatized But also I'm very intimidated by our previous manators and the more experienced players...

This feels sketch to me. We already know it's a multi-faction game. It seems strange that you would naturally assume the other named faction in your role PM is automatically the wolves, especially since our intro flavor text specifically mentions a non-house "darkness" that others have brought up could possibly be the wolves. You've mentioned this second faction multiple times as if it is somehow important to the gameplay

The thing I don't understand with zuri focusing so hard on figuring out mechanics/game lore this early in the game when the primary goal is weeding out wolves. But it seems to me like a really big slip for wolf!zuri to reveal info about his faction/alignment this early...I'm holding from voting them for now.

Please how are people claiming I'm being quiet 😭

Considering the thread is 19 pages and 24 players, if you haven't filled an entire page by now, you're quiet