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[genny]

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Genuine question, what kinds of things do you look for in the threadposts to determine if someone is wolfy/town? I'm still trying to figure out what matters and what doesn't.

Let me know if you ever figure this out because I’ve been trying for years

 

[genny]

What "wild stuff" do you think happened with genny?

 

[genny]

These were all the posts MKG had made before you decided to yeet her:


What are you describing as "heavy on content" and "game solving"?

I was very confused until I realized this argument isn’t even about this game

 

[Zenge142]

Genuine question, what kinds of things do you look for in the threadposts to determine if someone is wolfy/town? I'm still trying to figure out what matters and what doesn't.

That’s really different for everyone. Everyone develops their own style of determining when they think someone is lying or being genuine. You’ll start to notice things that, that tickle your funny bone, leave this nagging feeling in the back of your mind, inconsistencies in their posts, a worldview that doesn’t make sense, etc. etc.

I'm not sure about the second question. Earlier in the threads either zenge or dubz (I don't remember which it was off the top of my head) claimed that they were the same affiliation.

That was me, but I said it about Samac. She’s dead now. RIP. 🪦

I've been mulling over the thing with genny. And it absolutely sounds ludicrous but if genny really is a wolf, then they would have had to intentionally use the opera glasses to watch KJQ, knowing that PSV would show up. They could then claim that on thread and appear towny. It's an insane theory that I initially didn't give any stock to, but given that we are starting to run out of people, it seemed worth considering again.

While it’s “technically possible” you want to keep in mind that wolves win when they reach parity with villagers, and they probably only had 1 conversion. So intentionally hanging PSV out to dry like that, while it would buy them village credit, would move them further away from parity, give them one less vote everyday, and they’d still have to do all the night kills, with people both watching and tracking, so there’s less margin for error. Not to mention it would be just generally mean to poor PSV to convert her and immediately put her in the ground like that intentionally. People generally don’t play that way. I’ve personally never seen genny make a play like that.

So on the whole, I would say genny is probably the least likely person of everyone in the game to be paired with PSV

 

[Animal Midwife]

Let me know if you ever figure this out because I’ve been trying for years

gennard saying this like she doesn't go "oh no" and then shoot and vote five wolves consecutively in lowercase

 

[Animal Midwife]

I misyeeted you because you lied about being an innocent child, and then lied about me blocking you from being able to activate your "Innocent Child" role.

Spoiler

Allegedly! #Where'sTheRealWriteUp?

Why MKG as wolfy?

Generally it’s in her meta to be a little on the more sketchy side, so I’m hesitant to go there at this time. Generally I agreed with some, but not all of her reads, and thoughts. I’m leaving her neutral for the moment but leaning more village.

mkg323 - This seems like her village meta. I’m seeing a player who I think is genuinely wolf hunting.

Animal Midwife - Seems off. People have commented on this. I’ve noticed it too. MKG push feels off. Questioning of people doesn’t feel like her normal wolf hunting style.

This post bothers me. Like she’s putting MKG in this damned if you do damned if you don’t situation.
“Too jokey and not wolf hunting during the election. Sus! The next day she’s apologizing, offering reads and actually wolf hunting? That’s sketch too!”

I thought you were sure enough on Barks to not only try and dismantle my mkg wagon multiple times but also encourage votes on me. Are you getting cold feet, zenges?

@Aprilthearab you’re seriously going to try and tell me this isn’t Wolf!Wife?

@cubsrule4e I’ve been going back and forth on you this game, but I’ve been moving you closes to village today. I’ve tried getting MKG to move but she’s resistant. I think Barks is wolfing. That leaves you.

I’m pretty sure Alley is village. We’ve wolfed together a lot. This ain’t Wolf!Alley.

Can I get you to move your vote to Midwife?

Spoiler

You targeted me with a negative blocking action when I was going to self-resolve in Viscernable's presence!!! Zenges please!

 

[Zenge142]

You targeted me with a negative blocking action

I did not.

Spoiler

You targeted me with a negative blocking action when I was going to self-resolve in Viscernable's presence!!! Zenges please!

I'm an innocent child.

@Animal Midwife, who was Private Leonard L. Church, a village treestump

I KILLED YOU BECAUSE YOU LIED ABOUT BEING AN INNOCENT CHILD AND ABOUT BEING BLOCKED AND WHY WOULD VILLAGE MIDWIFE LIE ABOUT THAT?

Boom.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Genuine question, what kinds of things do you look for in the threadposts to determine if someone is wolfy/town? I'm still trying to figure out what matters and what doesn't.

That's genuinely just a contextual thing that varies game to game. I wish I could be less vague but I think it just comes with experience. Just like knowing when fold before the flip in Texas hold em rather than playing until the river for a slim chance at luck.

I'm not sure about the second question. Earlier in the threads either zenge or dubz (I don't remember which it was off the top of my head) claimed that they were the same affiliation. I don't know where that initially came from but when I read back over their interactions it seemed to stand.

Well, if it is something concrete @Zenge142 @WildZoo I'd like to know. Otherwise, it's really no different than the usual "I'm not a wolf" that all players are morally obligated to claim.

I've been mulling over the thing with genny. And it absolutely sounds ludicrous but if genny really is a wolf, then they would have had to intentionally use the opera glasses to watch KJQ, knowing that PSV would show up. They could then claim that on thread and appear towny. It's an insane theory that I initially didn't give any stock to, but given that we are starting to run out of people, it seemed worth considering again.

Were a lot of people gearing up vote PSV on D2 prior to genny saying that?

 

[Animal Midwife]

There is this @beans2020 if you like heavy reading.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I did not.




Boom.

And what about the seven quotes I pulled that were you egging on my wagon specifically for calling w!mkg a wolf? Remember, I only claimed because I was being wagoned.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Y'all Phineas and Ferb is on Jeopardy tonight so now I have an excuse to pretend to be smart.

 

[WildZoo]

I did not.




Boom.

Omg what is going on in here

 

[Animal Midwife]

Omg what is going on in here

Severe thunderdome watch or something

 

[WildZoo]

Well, if it is something concrete @Zenge142 @WildZoo I'd like to know. Otherwise, it's really no different than the usual "I'm not a wolf" that all players are morally obligated to claim.

Zenge said he and samac were the same affiliation, I was not involved

 

[Animal Midwife]

Zenge said he and samac were the same affiliation, I was not involved

I did see that. I think there were just wires crossed with bean.

 

[WildZoo]

I did not.




Boom.

Zenge always leaving out this part

Rewrite on my night action:

Skilled in the arts of sorcery and witchcraft, Zenge sneaks into AMs room to find her sleeping. He whispers in her ear “Tick Tick Tick Boom”. Petrified in terror, AM is unable to move.

Zenge sets the room for the dark arts. A pentagram in salt. Black candles at the points of the star. He lights the candles and places AMs body in the center of the star.

“A SOUL FOR A SOUL!” he proclaims. Incoherent chanting follows as the light from the candles grows ever brighter.

“Where once there was darkness let there be light!” The candles go out at once.

The room is dark. The body left on the floor, too dark to see.

If Midwife was a wolf, she’s gone. Dead. A soul for a soul. One of darkness for one of purity. In her place is village Bob. Back from the dead.

If Midwife is village, the spell was wasted. She’s passed out, unaware of the nights events but destined to wake up thinking she had a bad dream but not knowing what of.

N2: You performed your dark magic. In the morning, AM was still alive, and Bob was still dead.

 

[Zenge142]

Zenge always leaving out this part

I see nothing in there suggesting she was blocked like she claims.

Also how could I trust that when she was lying? Lying through her teeth. She wasn’t an innocent child and she wasn’t blocked.

Can we get back to the current game now?

 

[WildZoo]

Spoiler

You targeted me with a negative blocking action when I was going to self-resolve in Viscernable's presence!!! Zenges please!

Wait did he really say that questioning of people didn't feel like your normal wolf hunting style??

 

[WildZoo]

I see nothing in there suggesting she was blocked like she claims.

Also how could I trust that when she was lying? Lying through her teeth. She wasn’t an innocent child and she wasn’t blocked.

Can we get back to the current game now?

You're the one accusing me of leaving a fake writeup in place for 4 years, I just want to make sure we remember all the facts, like how you ignored seer info

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm sure Viscernable's ears are ringing right now.

 

[WildZoo]

Ope

Mkg just liked the post where I said she was right about Zenge's EOD behavior

And now she's gonna catch up and find me saying I don't think she's town this game after looking back through her posts

Uh oh

 

[Zenge142]

You've obfuscated instead of answering my question: I’m still curious @Animal Midwife

What game content posts has MKG made this game, that you find to be more compelling then all the posts she had made prior to you voting her here:

I can't miss an opportunity here though.

Unyeet PSV
Yeet mkg

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ope

Mkg just liked the post where I said she was right about Zenge's EOD behavior

And now she's gonna catch up and find me saying I don't think she's town this game after looking back through her posts

Uh oh

I hope she ends up bumping RvB due to this nonsense.

 

[Animal Midwife]

You've obfuscated instead of answering my question: I’m still curious @Animal Midwife

What game content posts has MKG made this game, that you find to be more compelling then all the posts she had made prior to you voting her here:

We've been over this Zenge. Having me relook at the same posts I've already looked at isn't going to update my read. I need a fresh perspective with the receipts or I have no idea where you're coming from.

 

[WildZoo]

I hope she ends up bumping RvB due to this nonsense.

Idk what to tell you AM. I looked back at last game and she was actually solving, in much fewer words too. This game she's had a stagnant POE with little to no explanation and a bunch of internal post noise compared to her usual style (outside of the mayor-specific posts, I'm not talking about those).

Tbh I'm not even saying she's paired with PSV. Maybe she's part of the "other forces at work". Maybe she's an alpaca. But I don't think she's village!mkg.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Idk what to tell you AM. I looked back at last game and she was actually solving, in much fewer words too. This game she's had a stagnant POE with little to no explanation and a bunch of internal post noise compared to her usual style (outside of the mayor-specific posts, I'm not talking about those).

Tbh I'm not even saying she's paired with PSV. Maybe she's part of the "other forces at work". Maybe she's an alpaca. But I don't think she's village!mkg.

That was a horrific waste of a vig shot if she's scum.

Who even would be paired with her?

 

[Zenge142]

We've been over this Zenge. Having me relook at the same posts I've already looked at isn't going to update my read. I need a fresh perspective with the receipts or I have no idea where you're coming from.

I'm asking you: What specific posts in this game has she made that you find compelling enough to village read her?

 

[WildZoo]

That was a horrific waste of a vig shot if she's scum.

Who even would be paired with her?

I'm not in the business of trying to figure out pairings before I know what flavor of scum I'm looking at when there have been hints of multiple sources of badness and we've flipped a convert tbh.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm asking you: What specific posts in this game has she made that you find compelling enough to village read her?

How many times do I have to repeat my answer to this?

 

[WildZoo]

Ope

Mkg just liked the post where I said she was right about Zenge's EOD behavior

And now she's gonna catch up and find me saying I don't think she's town this game after looking back through her posts

Uh oh

Both things can be true btw

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm not in the business of trying to figure out pairings before I know what flavor of scum I'm looking at when there have been hints of multiple sources of badness and we've flipped a convert tbh.

That seems incredibly risky if I'm to interpret this as not looking for wolves.

Are you not looking for wolves?

 

[WildZoo]

That seems incredibly risky if I'm to interpret this as not looking for wolves.

Are you not looking for wolves?

I never said I'm not looking for wolves.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I never said I'm not looking for wolves.

Then who's mkg paired with?

 

[Zenge142]

How many times do I have to repeat my answer to this?

You haven't answered it at all.

You haven't quoted a single post of MKG's from this game that you town read her for

 

[WildZoo]

The consensus POE is rank, people have been saying for days that everyone feels village, that tells me something screwy is going on. Sticking to a rigid interpretation of the game when there are CLEAR HINTS that this isn't a standard structure is how you lose.

 

[Zenge142]

Then who's mkg paired with?

I'm worried it might be you, to be honest

 

[Animal Midwife]

You haven't answered it at all.

You haven't quoted a single post of MKG's from this game that you town read her for

She shot a wolf Zenge.

You haven't quoted a single post showing that she's way outside of her village range or extremely inside her wolfrange.

 

[WildZoo]

Then who's mkg paired with?

I don't see her unpaired with anyone but me and Zenge so ~waves at the roster~ take your pick

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm worried it might be you, to be honest

This is why I can't townread you.

It doesn't even make sense mechanically, let alone, socially.

 

[WildZoo]

If she even is paired with anyone. We don't know scum numbers.

What I do know is a writeup heavily implied that KJQ was killed by an alpaca, and PSV flipped as a goat. So.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't see her unpaired with anyone but me and Zenge so ~waves at the roster~ take your pick

The third genny omission of 2025.

Could you show me those pairing posts exactly?

 

[Animal Midwife]

If she even is paired with anyone. We don't know scum numbers.

What I do know is a writeup heavily implied that KJQ was killed by an alpaca, and PSV flipped as a goat. So.

There was only one other person on KJQ so you're implying something very specific.

 

[WildZoo]

The third genny omission of 2025.

Could you show me those pairing posts exactly?

Why would genny be unpaired with mkg? I haven't seen them have any antagonistic interactions.

And...no. I told you that's not how I'm solving in this gamestate. You can vote me over it. I literally don't care. I am sick of being told I have to vote within a consensus POE that I do not think is right. I won't be strongarmed into voting for more people I think are village based on THEIR posts because of pairing or unpairing interactions that we don't know are valid. Do you know what pairing analysis has gotten me this game? People telling me I'm paired with someone they were pre-flipping as a wolf, who turned out to be village. And again, with Clem. And now with Zenge. Y'all forced me into voting Clem yesterday, I'm not following along with the status quo again today. How many villagers in the POE have to die for you to figure out something is wrong?

 

[Zenge142]

You haven't quoted a single post showing that she's way outside of her village range or extremely inside her wolfrange.

You're asking me to prove a negative which is logistically impossible.

I'm asking you to quote posts of MKG's that you liked and town read her for.

This is why I can't townread you.

It doesn't even make sense mechanically, let alone, socially.

Why not? I've seen you wolf read and vote for MKG for when she's posted far more compelling content than she has in this game, so for you to come in when her posts are so lacking and have you to village read her, and be unwilling or otherwise incapable of quoting even one singe post of MKG's that you town read her for is quite troubling.

 

[WildZoo]

There was only one other person on KJQ so you're implying something very specific.

Actually I'm not. Lissa could be an alpaca. The opera glasses could be faulty. There could be a ninja. There are many possibilities so don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why would genny be unpaired with mkg? I haven't seen them have any antagonistic interactions.

And...no. I told you that's not how I'm solving in this gamestate. You can vote me over it. I literally don't care. I am sick of being told I have to vote within a consensus POE that I do not think is right. I won't be strongarmed into voting for more people I think are village based on THEIR posts because of pairing or unpairing interactions that we don't know are valid. Do you know what pairing analysis has gotten me this game? People telling me I'm paired with someone they were pre-flipping as a wolf, who turned out to be village. And again, with Clem. And now with Zenge. Y'all forced me into voting Clem yesterday, I'm not following along with the status quo again today. How many villagers in the POE have to die for you to figure out something is wrong?

She literally outted PSV, dubz.

Apparently one villager dying means I can't push anyone anymore. Guess the game is a wrap.

 

[WildZoo]

She literally outted PSV, dubz.

Apparently one villager dying means I can't push anyone anymore. Guess the game is a wrap.

You asked me who could be paired with mkg, not who could be paired with PSV.

I'm sorry, what universe are you living in where only one villager has died? and my question was a real one. How many does it take? Because I can tell you one more and an additional one that I'm pretty sure of.

 

[Animal Midwife]

You're asking me to prove a negative which is logistically impossible.

I'm asking you to quote posts of MKG's that you liked and town read her for.

For someone that's supposed to have a godread, this sure is an atheist offense.

The onus is always on you to explain the wolf read with evidence when

1. she has killed more wolves than you.
2. you waited all day to "sheep genny" just to vote Clem for some reason when he was a village read of yours.
3. you wouldn't even say that mkg was a wolf. Just that she's "not right."

I know you have time because you bothered to look up a game for 4 years ago (where apparently the godread failed).

Why not? I've seen you wolf read and vote for MKG for when she's posted far more compelling content than she has in this game, so for you to come in when her posts are so lacking and have you to village read her, and be unwilling or otherwise incapable of quoting even one singe post of MKG's that you town read her for is quite troubling.

You already said that a noob wolf has no motivation to disclose the conversion item before or during the time the PSV was converted and the rest of the village had no idea. You also said you believe there is only one conversion. So what does that mean mechanically? And then you say I'm the only compatible person with mkg. So, no, I don't find this even remotely genuine.

 

[WildZoo]

And I'm not the one telling people who they can and cannot push here

 

[Animal Midwife]

You asked me who could be paired with mkg, not who could be paired with PSV.

I'm sorry, what universe are you living in where only one villager has died? and my question was a real one. How many does it take? Because I can tell you one more and an additional one that I'm pretty sure of.

So w!mkg is in a separate pack from w!psv. Am I understanding that correctly?

The universe where I subbed in yesterday. You're talking about how botched my POE is like I was the one who voted fruit. Or mads.