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mkg323 said:
yeah, I honestly do think its in his wolf range, or he could at least be some other kind of scum/3p. like yes, he is less lurky/involved more early on then last game, but tonally like, its just off. the thing with mads, having me at the top of his reads and then trying to yeet me after the vig shot, and then all of yesterday and today. its just like felt opportunistic recently. and the greedy push? dont even get me started.
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How do you distinguish his push for mads from everyone else's?

And how is going after you when you're widely village read and mechanically cleared at all opportunistic?

These are honest questions so don't take it as an interrogation. I'm trying to make sure I'm not pocketed.
 
Zenge142 said:
THIS. IS. NOT. A. VALID. ARGUMENT.

I said that at the end of D1.

N1 was when genny tracked PSV to killing KJQ.

What timeline are you proposing where wolves both converted PSV, and PSV did the night kill?

Because there literally isn't time. So explain it to me MKG or admit you're wrong
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I have literally been saying we can’t make any assumptions until we flip another wolf because we don’t know how the conversion took place. I am not getting involved with all of the tinfoiling (Clem did enough of that) but you can’t just selectively choose info that suits your argument. WE DONT KNOW.
 
mkg323 said:
I have literally been saying we can’t make any assumptions until we flip another wolf because we don’t know how the conversion took place. I am not getting involved with all of the tinfoiling (Clem did enough of that) but you can’t just selectively choose info that suits your argument. WE DONT KNOW.
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WE KNOW YOU CAN'T CONVERT SOMEONE AND MAKE THEM DO THE NIGHT KILL THE SAME NIGHT!

ACTIONS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT
 
WildZoo said:
How do you distinguish his push for mads from everyone else's?

And how is going after you when you're widely village read and mechanically cleared at all opportunistic?

These are honest questions so don't take it as an interrogation. I'm trying to make sure I'm not pocketed.
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It was that last minute, ATE, that really shared no rhyme or reason it was meant to just get people to follow him. It’s the same thing he did against me.
 
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just got back from my last day with the puppy- she was very hyper today to say the least
 
WildZoo said:
How do you distinguish his push for mads from everyone else's?

And how is going after you when you're widely village read and mechanically cleared at all opportunistic?

These are honest questions so don't take it as an interrogation. I'm trying to make sure I'm not pocketed.
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Sorry for the second question, he has historically read me correctly, and he usually has a confident read on me like literally 2 cycles earlier than anyone else. I think if he had been more village read at the time it could have been successful.
 
mkg323 said:
It was that last minute, ATE, that really shared no rhyme or reason it was meant to just get people to follow him. It’s the same thing he did against me.
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If you mean these posts they were after she broke the tie towards fruit and Greedy also rescinded his town read at that time.

Zenge142 said:
YEET MADRIGAL PEOPLE!!!
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Zenge142 said:
MADRIGAL IS HOWLING!!!
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Like that was the general thread reaction to her vote, his was just in caps lol
 
i confirmed a tie will most likely kill everyone. or atleast most players, not just the two who tied, so please. no ties because that would just be what…a truce or a scum win?
 
vampyrica said:
i confirmed a tie will most likely kill everyone. or atleast most players, not just the two who tied, so please. no ties because that would just be what…a truce or a scum win?
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Mods win.

Historically my tie executions range from no one to everyone, so do at your own risk
 
WildZoo said:
We don't know that

What if you convert them by making them do the night kill?
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Okay.

So you’re making up imaginary mechanics to support MKG’s claim that Wolf!zenge loudly claimed PSV was one of my strongest wolf reads, only to that very night convert her, and have to completely do a 180 on one of the sketchiest people on the thread?

Are you serious Dubz? Can you stop entertaining nonsense? Because at this point giving credibility to this nonsense is going to get me misyeeted.
 
vampyrica said:
i mean again there’s always a chance it’s an elaborative reverse psychology plot if he is scum, as a way to keep him until endgame so scum wins, but i dont think this is what that is
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Wait if you don't think Greedy is scum then why are you voting there?
 
Zenge142 said:
Okay.

So you’re making up imaginary mechanics to support MKG’s claim that Wolf!zenge loudly claimed PSV was one of my strongest wolf reads, only to that very night convert her, and have to completely do a 180 on one of the sketchiest people on the thread?

Are you serious Dubz? Can you stop entertaining nonsense? Because at this point giving credibility to this nonsense is going to get me misyeeted.
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I'm just trying to make sure we don't get stuck in assumptions, it's relevant beyond just you, if PSV wasn't a wolf D1 then villsge points go out the window for multiple people. And It's true we don't know the mechanics.

I already said I'm more on the side of the conversion happening D0 because of the writeup. I also already said multiple times that I don't think wolves chose the convert(s), I think it was item-based.

And also ouch. I don't have a Zenge reading card and never have, you can't expect me to not try to make sure I'm right on my read like I do with anyone else, and you can't expect me not to engage other players in their thoughts. I'm not you or AM, I'm not as sure about things as you guys are, I'm always open to hearing other perspectives. But I'm not voting for you, I've been telling people not to vote for you, I'm on your counterwagon. What else do you want from me?
 
If MKG is village I think she needs to recognize that by her own admission - it’s fair for me to have doubts about her affiliation.

She made a big deal about the order of two people on my reads list who where right next to each other notably that one currently dead and confirmed villager was ranked just above one currently alive and unknown player. She later admitted she was wrong.
mkg323 said:
oh my god they were next to each other disregard

Edited for spelling purposes
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mkg323 said:
Have I mentioned I’m illiterate yet this game
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I pointed out my issues with her content and how the content level she was generating was more representative of her wolf meta, and she admitted to this.
mkg323 said:
I'm going to be honest, yeah, I probably have come across as floaty recently
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So like, @mkg323 if you’re village, you need to recognize my reasons for finding you Wolfy and having doubts about your affiliation, have been fair reasons, by your own admission.

I’m not a miracle worker. I don’t magically know what your affiliation is.
 
WildZoo said:
Wait if you don't think Greedy is scum then why are you voting there?
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because if he’s going to not be helpful and he wants out then he should go. (respectfully!!!!!) if he says moving forward he will not give effort, which he did, then why keep him around? thats counter productive
 
vampyrica said:
because if he’s going to not be helpful and he wants out then he should go. (respectfully!!!!!) if he says moving forward he will not give effort, which he did, then why keep him around? thats counter productive
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Valid-ish I guess but I'd like to hear more from you about who you actually think is scum then
 
WildZoo said:
Valid-ish I guess but I'd like to hear more from you about who you actually think is scum then
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i think he’s scum leaning, but that’s only half the reason for my vote today, the other half being that he will not be helpful if he remains even if he IS town.

also the bolded part of what you quoted earlier is directly referencing him saying “i want out. i wont give effort” as some reverse psychology elaborate play to make us keep him until endgame.
 
WildZoo said:
What else do you want from me?
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Not bend over backwards by inventing mechanics out of thin air to try and justify wackadoodle theories that I’m paired with PSV.

You have to do an enormous amount of stretching to make it work. I just don’t understand why you’re lending credence to it as a reasonable thing that likely happened.
 
so what would we rather have? if he’s truly scum, great! we got him and we can move on! but if he’s town, and he’s a misyeet, okay we saved ourselves from having to overthink him again and actually had people willing to engage and help problem solve until the very end.
 
vampyrica said:
i think he’s scum leaning, but that’s only half the reason for my vote today, the other half being that he will not be helpful if he remains even if he IS town.

also the bolded part of what you quoted earlier is directly referencing him saying “i want out. i wont give effort” as some reverse psychology elaborate play to make us keep him until endgame.
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Ah okay I interpreted it as you saying you don't think he's scum at all, but you were saying you just don't think he's using that as a tactic, vs it being a real sentiment regardless of affiliation?
 
WildZoo said:
Ah okay I interpreted it as you saying you don't think he's scum at all, but you were saying you just don't think he's using that as a tactic, vs it being a real sentiment regardless of affiliation?
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nono i think he’s scum leaning for sure. i’m done being guilt-tripped over my reads and i wanna get the ball rolling here so we can win this thing!

i think he genuinely wants out regardless of his affiliation. either he’s cornered scum and just wants to be yeeted to leave the last one to fend for themselves, or he’s a frustrated town that’s given up. either way he said he’s not going to give effort if he lives which to me is very icky regardless of affiliation.
 
Zenge142 said:
Not bend over backwards by inventing mechanics out of thin air to try and justify wackadoodle theories that I’m paired with PSV.

You have to do an enormous amount of stretching to make it work. I just don’t understand why you’re lending credence to it as a reasonable thing that likely happened.
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Alright feel free to tell me what else I'm not allowed to do as I try my best to solve the game
 
vampyrica said:
nono i think he’s scum leaning for sure. i’m done being guilt-tripped over my reads and i wanna get the ball rolling here so we can win this thing!

i think he genuinely wants out regardless of his affiliation. either he’s cornered scum and just wants to be yeeted to leave the last one to fend for themselves, or he’s a frustrated town that’s given up. either way he said he’s not going to give effort if he lives which to me is very icky regardless of affiliation.
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(VERY ICKY IN THE SENSE OF READS!!! DISCLAIMER!! HES ALLOWED TO BE FRUSTRATED!)
 
vampyrica said:
nono i think he’s scum leaning for sure. i’m done being guilt-tripped over my reads and i wanna get the ball rolling here so we can win this thing!

i think he genuinely wants out regardless of his affiliation. either he’s cornered scum and just wants to be yeeted to leave the last one to fend for themselves, or he’s a frustrated town that’s given up. either way he said he’s not going to give effort if he lives which to me is very icky regardless of affiliation.
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Fair.

Who else is in your POE besides Greedy?
 
WildZoo said:
Alright feel free to tell me what else I'm not allowed to do as I try my best to solve the game
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I’m sorry.

I just know some villager who isn’t caught up on the thread is going to read MKG’s argument, think it sounds reasonable, and then see there’s a whole explanation that explains it, and misyeets me because they think it’s a normal and reasonable possibility, instead of a theory without any significant legitimacy.
 
FOR THE RECORD

- I think *a* conversion happened N0. I don't recall seeing a hint at one in the N1 writeup (about to go look again), so taking everything altogether, it would make sense the N0 was PSV.
- I think the conversion was based on a cursed item. I don't think I actually have writeup evidence for that, it's more just that...I don't think PSV 100% made up the Achy Breaky Barn Door, it's a bit too specific and also not similar enough to items known to be in the game for me to believe it was what wolves decided to make up. If it was then uh...apologies for the implicit dunk on your fakeclaiming skills, wolfies.
- My other justification for this is that I just think she would be a weird convert choice given her low activity.
- I think if you're excluding evidence for one player based on not knowing when the conversion happened, you have to be consistent. Either D1 unpairing interactions with PSV count or they don't.
 
Zenge142 said:
I’m sorry.

I just know some villager who isn’t caught up on the thread is going to read MKG’s argument, think it sounds reasonable, and then see there’s a whole explanation that explains it, and misyeets me because they think it’s a normal and reasonable possibility, instead of a theory without any significant legitimacy.
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I mean I think it's pretty obvious I was just spitballing as I have been doing all game. I didn't say "WAIT FORGET EVERYTHING I EVER SAID, THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE" it was literally a what if statement. Clem clearly thought there was some way it all happened N1 and he was village, so we know he was sincere about it. It makes sense to process the possibility, even if we ultimately don't think it's what happened.

And like I said, it's not just about you, if mkg wants to base her read on you on saying that the conversion could have happened n1, then I need her to do that for all her reads, including Greedy, which is why I asked about that specifically.

I'm sorry if it felt like I was trying to undermine your defense, that wasn't my intention.
 
WildZoo said:
Fair.

Who else is in your POE besides Greedy?
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right now i’d say my POE is: greedy, lissa, mkg/zenge (not paired just unsure who to put for sure).

hence why i also dont wanna yeet zenge because i would love to see him and mkg discuss more so i can make a more solid list.

they might both be town defending themselves and i’m completely wrong but idk, something feels off
 
WildZoo said:
FOR THE RECORD

- I think *a* conversion happened N0. I don't recall seeing a hint at one in the N1 writeup (about to go look again), so taking everything altogether, it would make sense the N0 was PSV.
- I think the conversion was based on a cursed item. I don't think I actually have writeup evidence for that, it's more just that...I don't think PSV 100% made up the Achy Breaky Barn Door, it's a bit too specific and also not similar enough to items known to be in the game for me to believe it was what wolves decided to make up. If it was then uh...apologies for the implicit dunk on your fakeclaiming skills, wolfies.
- My other justification for this is that I just think she would be a weird convert choice given her low activity.
- I think if you're excluding evidence for one player based on not knowing when the conversion happened, you have to be consistent. Either D1 unpairing interactions with PSV count or they don't.
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Also there's a goddamn alpaca out there and NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT ENOUGH

Or this is Cthulhu all over again, idk
 
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Day 4 Yeet Tally
Greedy (3) - Zenge, dubz, vamp
Zenge (2) - Greedy, beans

5/8
yeet close in ~2.5 hours
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vampyrica said:
right now i’d say my POE is: greedy, lissa, mkg/zenge (not paired just unsure who to put for sure).

hence why i also dont wanna yeet zenge because i would love to see him and mkg discuss more so i can make a more solid list.

they might both be town defending themselves and i’m completely wrong but idk, something feels off
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Is there a reason lissa is in your poe? Out of curiosity, not judgement
 
Zenge142 said:
WE KNOW YOU CAN'T CONVERT SOMEONE AND MAKE THEM DO THE NIGHT KILL THE SAME NIGHT!

ACTIONS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT
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Says who? My dad actually has this saying that I think is really wonderful in this situation. It’s “Assumptions make an ass out of you an me”. The chaos that the mods can create is impressive, so why not? Why can’t they?

WildZoo said:
@mkg323 if you don't mind also talking about your Greedy village read, because if you're saying we can't base anything on PSV being a wolf as of day 1, then a lot of the reasons to village read him kinda go out the window
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Greedy has honestly read as a disgruntled villager from the beginning. Him and KJQ just screamed v/v. I genuinely think his frustration yesterday was kinda just a boil over from having a clashing play style to what is typically seen on this site. The constant mentions from zenge were a bit… nagging? Excessive?

Disclaimer: there’s currently a tornado warning and wicked storm in DE so if I drop off the face of the earth it’s probs bc I’ve lost good cell service/wifi I’m not ignoring yall
 
unyeet zenge
Yeet greedy
I think vampy made some good points about her greedy vote. Like I said earlier, I really can't tell if his wanting to leave is just disgruntled villager or if it is wolfy trying to call our bluff (like we won't vote him because he wants us to).
I agree he seemed very village in the beginning which is why I am unsure that he is a wolf. I am open to changing my vote if someone else starts a reasonable wagon.
 
mkg323 said:
Says who?
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So to be clear:

Despite pretty much every single game that we have ever played, where an action like a conversion would take a cycle - you’re pretending it’s probably different this one time, for the explicit purpose of trying to pair me with PSV?

Because that makes more sense than just admitting that you’re trying to cram a square peg into a round hole.
 
beans2020 said:
Is there a reason lissa is in your poe? Out of curiosity, not judgement
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i still think the double visit with PSV is a little odd, i keep going back to it for some reason idk why? i dont think she’s cleared enough imo for me to rank her higher at this point
 
GTH reads:

beans - town
greedy - scum
lissa - scum
wildzoo - town
genny - town
zenge - scum
mkg - town

(if i had to pick between zenge and mkg who i put as equal in my POE earlier, i’d do zenge. BUT THIS IS JUST GTH DONT SMITE ME)
 
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