GGoats ThWWee: Here It GGoats Again - GAME THREAD

[samac]

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At the time I was voting, it was Dubz and Fruit tied. Everything moved really fast, but that was according to the last tally I had! Worst case scenario, WZ and Fruit tie, mods murder both. They both flip as town. It's now N1, which means wolves are killing someone tonight as well, and unless they somehow nuke a 3p by luck, there are three villagers dead in the worst case scenario if I didn't break the tie between Dubz and Fruit

Oh so you did know it was tie at the time? Oh….
That makes it worse
Why did you go fruits over Dubz if you knew your vote made the decision?

 

[vampyrica]

At the time I was voting, it was Dubz and Fruit tied. Everything moved really fast, but that was according to the last tally I had! Worst case scenario, WZ and Fruit tie, mods murder both. They both flip as town. It's now N1, which means wolves are killing someone tonight as well, and unless they somehow nuke a 3p by luck, there are three villagers dead in the worst case scenario if I didn't break the tie between Dubz and Fruit

i knew i didnt wanna believe you were scum <3

 

[samac]

i knew i didnt wanna believe you were scum <3

I don’t know why that was clearing

 

[WildZoo]

Alright, lets try to clear my name. If y'all are still sold on me flipping wolf after that, then so be it.

1. My reads list. I was at lunch on my phone with not a lot of time. I copied WildZoo's read list (you can compare, it's in the same order) and didn't realize she didn't include herself on the list. I kept counting and only getting to 14, so I knew I was missing someone, hence the last note, but didn't have time to realize it was her.

2. My vote. Firstly, sorry fruit. I'm really sad you flipped town. Second, when I posted my *joke* comment about voting dubz to tie and kill two people, KJQ hadn't switched from Samac to Dubz yet. Those were posted a mere refresh apart even if it doesn't look like it in the thread.

The "3 villagers killed" comment was a worst case scenario, that I throw away my vote, WildZoo and Fruit tie, both flip village, and a third villager is killed tonight. That would be detrimental to town winning this game.

As for Fruit vs WildZoo, tbh I flipped a coin. Both of them were not sus to me in any way, but for the good of the town, throwing away my vote and guaranteeing two people got killed felt bad.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to sulk in the corner and eat my tin cans in peace

i don't know what this gif is but if i had to see it so do you

@samac pls she already explained all that and you saw the post lol

 

[WildZoo]

Imagine if mads is village and a coin flip made this whole mess. almost makes me wish I had stayed asleep and just come back to find myself dead.

 

[vampyrica]

I don’t know why that was clearing

i follow her line of reasoning, i think people were looking into the "OMG WHAT DOES SHE MEAN THREE PEOPLE!?!?!" thing way too much. same way they took your fake fight with zenge way too seriously.

 

[madrigal01]

Imagine if mads is village and a coin flip made this whole mess. almost makes me wish I had stayed asleep and just come back to find myself dead.

Imagine how I feel 😭

 

[samac]

@samac pls she already explained all that and you saw the post lol

Shh let me ask my circles

 

[WildZoo]

Shh let me ask my circles

No I'm getting tired of circles

 

[WildZoo]

We need some more interesting shapes

 

[samac]

i follow her line of reasoning, i think people were looking into the "OMG WHAT DOES SHE MEAN THREE PEOPLE!?!?!" thing way too much. same way they took your fake fight with zenge way too seriously.

Oh yeah I’m not bothered by that
I’m interested in her knowing that she was making the killing vote on fruit over Dubz cause she has been village reading the Dubz wagon

 

[WildZoo]

It’s not just about the decision she would make as scum, but the decision she would make as town. I just spoke about the scum reason because I believe she’s scum. If mads were town, she’d have voted Dubz there because of who else was voting there and THAT is absolutely backup up by previous games.

Am I doing my own circle? Maybe. But I was rereading stuff with a less emotional head and kept coming back to this. Can you and/or greedy explain exactly what circumstances you're referring to where mads acted the way you think she should have acted here if she were village? also referring to the quotes below. Since I was modding and not playing and therefore not reading the thread closely I just am not sure what exactly you're referencing.

I'll accept both that explanation on the WZ omitted from reads list and the 3 vils will die comment. I will not accept the post hoc justification of the decision between WZ and Fruit when it's not at all how town Mads made decisions last game in similar circumstances

This @Zenge142

 

[WildZoo]

Oh yeah I’m not bothered by that
I’m interested in her knowing that she was making the killing vote on fruit over Dubz cause she has been village reading the Dubz wagon

Do you think you're gonna get a different answer from coin flip? I don't think someone says they flipped a coin and then walks that back

 

[WildZoo]

Also she was scum leaning Greedy iirc, who was the one most vocally calling for people to vote for me, so the narrative that she was village reading my wagon is sus

 

[WildZoo]

Tbh i am less and less inclined to believe mads is wolf the more I look at it. Because a wolf should have voted for me or let the tie roll, and since i know I'm village and it wouldn't be a move intended to save me (barring fancy framing nonsense, which doesn't make much sense because of how bad it made her look in the process) I kinda believe the village panic narrative more.

I definitely have a weak spot for players being pre-flipped so that might be coming through here but yeah idk. It's not sitting right with me.

 

[vampyrica]

Oh yeah I’m not bothered by that
I’m interested in her knowing that she was making the killing vote on fruit over Dubz cause she has been village reading the Dubz wagon

ohh ok i got you

 

[madrigal01]

Guys if PokeWWon taught us anything it's that I'm really bad at 50/50s 😃🔫

 

[WildZoo]

Also pro tip, if I say I would have voted for you and you hit me with a sad react, it squishes my little marshmallow heart. But it only works for pure nooblet souls, sorry to the oldies.

 

[beans2020]

Just kinda throwing ideas around now, but is it possible that Greedy or KJQ are wolfy? bc they seem to be the main ones behind the mads/dubz theory - could one of them be trying to shift the heat over to players they know are village? I know I put them in the middle of my latest readlist and I still stand by that for now...but I am also pondering other theories. 🤔
especially since it seems there is a wolf mads/dubz camp and a village mads/dubz camp currently

 

[GreedyBanger]

Also she was scum leaning Greedy iirc, who was the one most vocally calling for people to vote for me, so the narrative that she was village reading my wagon is sus

Why are you insistent on answering for her?

 

[GreedyBanger]

Just kinda throwing ideas around now, but is it possible that Greedy or KJQ are wolfy? bc they seem to be the main ones behind the mads/dubz theory - could one of them be trying to shift the heat over to players they know are village? I know I put them in the middle of my latest readlist and I still stand by that for now...but I am also pondering other theories. 🤔
especially since it seems there is a wolf mads/dubz camp and a village mads/dubz camp currently

How is this distinguishable to you from us being town and pushing someone we scum read. Do you think we are both wolves parroting each others reads and opinions for 2 days now? Don't you think this is a little compromising of a strategy?

 

[beans2020]

How is this distinguishable to you from us being town and pushing someone we scum read. Do you think we are both wolves parroting each others reads and opinions for 2 days now? Don't you think this is a little compromising of a strategy?

I don't think both of you are wolves, no. I could see one of you being a wolf and trying to seem towny while shifting heat toward players you know are village.
However it also very well could be that you really are both villagers looking for wolves. I'm still leaning town for both of you rn - I just don't want to shut down any possibilities too early! This seems like a game where literally anything can happen 😂

 

[WildZoo]

Why are you insistent on answering for her?

Thst wasn't answering for her? That was my own interpretation of events upon rereading. She already answered these questions multiple times.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't see how it's any different than y'all saying she should have voted with the people you claim she trusted. I'm going to call that out when I see that claim isn't supported by thread evidence.

 

[WildZoo]

Just kinda throwing ideas around now, but is it possible that Greedy or KJQ are wolfy? bc they seem to be the main ones behind the mads/dubz theory - could one of them be trying to shift the heat over to players they know are village? I know I put them in the middle of my latest readlist and I still stand by that for now...but I am also pondering other theories. 🤔
especially since it seems there is a wolf mads/dubz camp and a village mads/dubz camp currently

I think the chances of them both being wolves are pretty minimal. I don't think it's crazy to think one of them is a wolf who has pocketed the other though.

 

[KayJayQueue]

We can be tunnel buddies! It doesn’t matter if mads is a wolf and I was first vote on her.
I’ll still be on the scum list as a 3P we don’t have evidence of existing. 🙃

I mean, Sakura gave some compelling evidence that conversions are a thing. That screams 3p to me but could technically be a scum thing. I don’t see how conversions would be about any town roles.

 

[vampyrica]

im going to put this out there bc im not going to call out individuals one by one. i dont think madz/dubz is a pairing and we saw in PokeWWon than KJQ and Greedy just trust eachother alot. i think its very possible that we have a low posting wolf or two because from what im seeing from those most active in the thread, im leaning town. im not locking it in though.

 

[vampyrica]

I mean, Sakura gave some compelling evidence that conversions are a thing. That screams 3p to me but could technically be a scum thing. I don’t see how conversions would be about any town roles.

for the sake of sanity, can we not do the "is there a 3p? is there not a 3p?" convo again? it was not productive in Mission ImpoWWsible until we dug through the flavor and figured it out as more people died. it is way too early in the game to worry about a 3pm rn

 

[WildZoo]

Knowing fruits was village and with it being unlikely she is paired with mads, I think I believe samac's flailing at eod was coming from village panic a bit more now. Maybe.

 

[WildZoo]

it is way too early in the game to worry about a 3pm rn

I'm always worried about 3pm. That's when the afternoon sleepies hit.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Okay but consider: Zenge converted samac

Well I was considering it the other way around because zenge was widely townread Day/Night 0 and probably would’ve been a juicy conversion target. I’m open to have been wrong about zenge and it’s the other way but I can see them being partnered either way. I’m just trying not to go down the rabbit hole here. Plus I really thought I read zenge correctly initially.

 

[Clem J]

It should say I’ve never experienced this before as village.
Typing fast while taking photos.

I more meant what is the alien experience you're having 😛

 

[KayJayQueue]

If I get the opportunity I’m coming for you or Zenges.

I would say don’t choose zenge but if you already have a chat with him, that would be a great cover for you being able to out having private communication with him. But since I have a feeling that would make you look incredibly sus, I’d suggest choosing someone else if you get the option.

 

[KayJayQueue]

thats valid, i also would like to believe that she is sharing from a towny perspective, but i can def see if she's a nooby wolf who had some eyes on her yesterday, her fellow wolves coaching her through what to say to get the target off her back.

but im willing to believe towni-ness for now before diving down the manipulation rabbit hole

I think just making the claim could’ve been coached, definitely, however her thought processes and subsequent posting scream town to me.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Can you tell me why your item makes you think that? Does it say something like unconvertible/not able to be converted?

Really wanting someone to out all their info night 1 when scum are deciding who to kill, that’s so helpful to town. (not)

 

[KayJayQueue]

i knew i didnt wanna believe you were scum <3

This doesn’t clear her AT ALL

 

[KayJayQueue]

Oh yeah I’m not bothered by that
I’m interested in her knowing that she was making the killing vote on fruit over Dubz cause she has been village reading the Dubz wagon

Not just town reading us but we actively saved her by making a new wagon.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Am I doing my own circle? Maybe. But I was rereading stuff with a less emotional head and kept coming back to this. Can you and/or greedy explain exactly what circumstances you're referring to where mads acted the way you think she should have acted here if she were village? also referring to the quotes below. Since I was modding and not playing and therefore not reading the thread closely I just am not sure what exactly you're referencing.

End of day 1 in our last game.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Tbh i am less and less inclined to believe mads is wolf the more I look at it. Because a wolf should have voted for me or let the tie roll, and since i know I'm village and it wouldn't be a move intended to save me (barring fancy framing nonsense, which doesn't make much sense because of how bad it made her look in the process) I kinda believe the village panic narrative more.

I definitely have a weak spot for players being pre-flipped so that might be coming through here but yeah idk. It's not sitting right with me.

Unless you’re scum with her. We can’t just rule that out here just because the parties involved say it’s not true. I’m willing to try to work with you if you say you’re not scum with mads and I could be wrong on that and greedy feels that way so I’ll try to see his side. But saying mads isn’t scum is where I draw the line. That doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Okay. Officially caught up.

 

[WildZoo]

Unless you’re scum with her. We can’t just rule that out here just because the parties involved say it’s not true. I’m willing to try to work with you if you say you’re not scum with mads and I could be wrong on that and greedy feels that way so I’ll try to see his side. But saying mads isn’t scum is where I draw the line. That doesn’t make sense to me.

I'm just giving my perspective knowing that I am village, I know it's not one you have. But I'm not going to stop sharing my thoughts because you have decided on your worldview, that's not how the game works.

 

[WildZoo]

I hate days where discussion is stifled by the knowledge that only one person is being voted, but that is what you, Greedy, and to some extent Zenge and samac have set up here. Even if mads is an egg that needs to be cracked I feel like there needs to be acknowledgment of the possibility that she's village, for multiple reasons. I'm not just gonna sit back and be like "Yeah you're right, she's probably wolf" and peace out because you say so.

 

[samac]

I mean, Sakura gave some compelling evidence that conversions are a thing. That screams 3p to me but could technically be a scum thing. I don’t see how conversions would be about any town roles.

I’m not convinced she does tbh

 

[GreedyBanger]

I think that if i'm deciding the whole of day 1 on a coinflip with 1 minute left in the day I probably mention it with the vote. To bring it up afterwards feels like a lie to dimminish responsibility when they realised EVERYONE hated that.

 

[samac]

I would say don’t choose zenge but if you already have a chat with him, that would be a great cover for you being able to out having private communication with him. But since I have a feeling that would make you look incredibly sus, I’d suggest choosing someone else if you get the option.

No.
If I’m going to open a pm with someone it’s going to be someone I can either trust or help get a read on

 

[samac]

Really wanting someone to out all their info night 1 when scum are deciding who to kill, that’s so helpful to town. (not)

It actually really is helpful to town KJQ.

 

[GreedyBanger]

It actually really is helpful to town KJQ.

Nothing said tonight that cannot be said tomorrow

 

[KayJayQueue]

I’m not convinced she does tbh

Well that seems like a you issue then because if you didn’t townread her posting last night…that’s rough lol I don’t even know what you mean by “not convinced she does”

Not convinced she has an item? Pretty sure everyone got a choice of item from what people have said and insinuated.

Not convinced she’s true claiming what her item does or what it interacts with? Why would scum even put it out there and put a spotlight on themselves if they were fake claiming something they’d have no way of knowing is true or not. What if there’s a 3p out there that knows their role doesn’t convert? They’d immediately know she was lying. It just seems like a really far fetched play to think a bad player would make on night 1.

Her posts just scream slightly lost townie that wants to be helpful and give the only info she has. Especially the connections she made from it. I really believe she’s just town.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Nothing said tonight that cannot be said tomorrow

^

 

[samac]

Nothing said tonight that cannot be said tomorrow

Assuming I’m still alive to expand on why it’s important and she’s still alive to talk about it.