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[Zenge142]

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Yeet Bread

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Bread (1) - Zenge

1/13
yeet close in ~33 hours

 

[Aprilthearab]

April- I’m moving her down to neutral. Since my top two wolf contenders are dead, I need to reevaluate everyone and there have definitely been things that have pinged me. I didn’t like how quick she was to vote onto Mayo after saying she wouldn’t vote there. She made that post about how “bread stayed away from wolves” in the last game which wasn’t accurate and since bread is one of my wolf reads, it gives me pause for sure. She has said a lot on this thread defending me, which I have to wonder now if this is a pocketing. Definitely going to keep a close eye on April during this cycle.

I made my thought process clear on Mayo - after people started quoting what he actually said, it changed my mind because what I remembered wasn't accurate.

I remember Mayo sussing people I waa village reading and vice versa, maybe he lined up with your reads but not mine

I think you're village. I have a decent record of reading you, but if you have a problem with my read this game, maybe you've become a better wolf 🤔

 

[Aprilthearab]

I made my thought process clear on Mayo - after people started quoting what he actually said, it changed my mind because what I remembered wasn't accurate.

I remember Mayo sussing people I waa village reading and vice versa, maybe he lined up with your reads but not mine

I think you're village. I have a decent record of reading you, but if you have a problem with my read this game, maybe you've become a better wolf 🤔

Sorry meant to say bread here. And a typo. Jeez working and WWing is hard

 

[PippyPony]

Uhhhh @Zenge142 who told you that Mel wouldn't bop around all over the place with his votes as a wolf? I don't think he should be cleared for that vote at ALL, and I think genny's angry new avatar would agree with me

 

[Zenge142]

Uhhhh @Zenge142 who told you that Mel wouldn't bop around all over the place with his votes as a wolf? I don't think he should be cleared for that vote at ALL, and I think genny's angry new avatar would agree with me

I mean no one told me that specifically, just that he was a good wolf.

It seems crazy to me that a wolf would have made that pointless last minute switch, but I guess I’ll reevaluate Mel a little more.

 

[PippyPony]

Yeet cray

I didn't like how she was talking about wolf kill choice strategy yesterday, especially in light of the fact that I'm still alive this morning

 

[PippyPony]

It seems crazy to me that a wolf would have made that pointless last minute switch

You'd be surprised.

 

[PippyPony]

Also, I went back and re-read the beginning of yesterday and I see what people mean about Mayo retrofitting his voting reasons. Probably should reevaluate my read on all of that.

 

[SportPonies]

I literally still do not understand reaction tests, so fair warning I’m going to be confused if somebody does one in this game

This feels eeeeeeeh

 

[Aprilthearab]

This feels eeeeeeeh

Why? That in particular doesn't ping me

 

[alleycat03]

Wolfy:
Alley- Not much content. But what she’s just posted, she’s working pretty hard to shade me based on posts from over 1/2 the thread ago from my argument with Mayo. It’s what really sketches me out about Bread too. They’re both driving this narrative that it HAS to be a w/v interaction. Neither one even remotely considering a v/v possibility. I also thing it’s pretty sketchy that she’s making the argument that when I’m wolfing I make this twisty arguments.

Actually, here is what I said:

Mayo stated this perfectly. Whenever I see Zenge making large leaps of logic and exaggerating, I get pinged by his wolfiness. I have seen those stretching the truth a couple of times so far this game.

Agreeing with Bread’s logic here. Still reading Z as more wolfy than Mayo, but some of his posts today seemed pro-village. And yes, it’s possible that they’re both villagers, but that interaction seemed more conducive to w/v. Way too much attention was drawn to it for me to think it was w/w though.

I did say that v/v was a possibility, but I didn't (and still don't) feel as confident about the interaction being v/v vs w/v. I'm currently reading Mayo as village, which means you're the wolf in that interaction. And yes, it was a few pages ago, but it was one of the disagreements that stood out to me the most, and it helped me form a read on both you and Mayo, so I think it is worth still discussing.

I also thing it’s pretty sketchy that she’s making the argument that when I’m wolfing I make this twisty arguments. You know where that narrative had the most traction? England, when I was arguing with Sunny and MK, where Cray shot me because she thought my arguments were “twisty” and I was village. So if you’re going to try and shade me by saying I’m only “twisty” when I’m wolfing, you’re dead wrong on that point.

So both times you wolfed, we were in wolfchat together. I saw how you interacted on thread vs in wolf chat. I also saw why you got sussed quickly in bioshock, and you came on too strong and tried to control the threadstate. A lot of the leaps of logic you made were not related to the gamestate, and it was almost like you were jumping to conclusions and trying too hard to push the narrative that you wanted to push. I'm seeing some of that here as well. I know you were mafia in the FTFWIA game as well, and you almost got sussed out as scum there too before you turned into a treestump. Maybe it's just because I have wolfed with you several times now, but when point A doesn't lead to point B, and intead jumps all the way to point D, I read it as wolfy.

 

[alleycat03]

Currently, the people I'm feeling neutral on are Cray, Sunny, Dubz, and Bread.

My POE is Zenge, Mel, MKG, Sporty

everyone else I am leaning village at this point.

 

[alleycat03]

I know I have already not met the post minimum once, but I will fail my finals if I don't do some studying, so I will hop back on later.

I think I've made my suspicions pretty obvious and already made it clear in my previous posts why I am going to

###Yeet Zenge####

 

[Zenge142]

A lot of the leaps of logic you made were not related to the gamestate, and it was almost like you were jumping to conclusions and trying too hard to push the narrative that you wanted to push. I'm seeing some of that here as well.

Are you? What specifically are you seeing? I’m curious what specific examples you can provide.

 

[sunshinefl]

Huh. Ok.

I'd like to hear from those last minute genny voters. Worried about there being some wolfy setup going on with one of the other frontrunners being killed.

And I'll be driving for a while so catch y'all later.

Well, as I said, Genny was the most suspicious to me out of the 4 that were really contenders— her, bread, zenge, bob. And she was sitting on a vote that would let her control the yeet. So with like 90 seconds left I moved to her.

I’m actually inclined to clear Vis and Mel for their Genny votes.
AM posts this tally with 1 minute until close.

Genny is already in the lead. With only 1 minute to close.

Mel moves off of bread onto Genny. Bread wasn’t in danger of everything swinging to him in those lost few seconds so you can’t say Mel was protecting bread. Since wolves know how Genny will flip, I can’t think of a reason why a wolf would have made the switch Mel made here.

Vis next moved off of Bob onto Genny. Now, since Bob was killed overnight, we know Vis moved from one villager who maybe would have been yeeted, but unlikely, to another villager who was already in the lead to get yeeted. With less than a minute to go. Again, I can’t understand why a wolf would have done this, and drawn attention to themselves like this.

Genny was already in the lead, with less than a minute to go. Neither one was saving anyone by switching their vote. Overall it was an odd thing to do, but I’m inclined to read them as village for it.

I eye rolled and quoted this because you made the cutoff 60 seconds rather than 90 for some reason, but then I see you did mention my switch in your later post.

Mayo stated this perfectly. Whenever I see Zenge making large leaps of logic and exaggerating, I get pinged by his wolfiness. I have seen those stretching the truth a couple of times so far this game.

@Melchizedek here is where I pointed out that I was feeling icky about bob




Agreeing with Bread’s logic here. Still reading Z as more wolfy than Mayo, but some of his posts today seemed pro-village. And yes, it’s possible that they’re both villagers, but that interaction seemed more conducive to w/v. Way too much attention was drawn to it for me to think it was w/w though.

Z had made literally 1 post today at this point. Which is making me wonder if they could be packmates and she’s trying to slowly change public opinion on zenge. This is definitely a post wild alley would make about a packmate. Makes me kinda side eye both of them.

Okay, as always a lot of my D1 reads are trash. Time to update.

Village:
Mel- Still like my village read. Seems to be wolf hunting. The Genny vote makes Mel seem more village to me in a Derp clear kind of way. Especially since I’ve been told Mel is a pretty good wolf and a smart wolf wouldn’t have drawn attention to themselves like that.

Pippy- Reading her as village. Seems like she’s contributing in an meaningful way, and actively wolf hunting.

Sunny- Still village reading her. I’m actually inclined to give her the same clear I’m giving to Vis and Mel. Her vote switch to Genny did come earlier, with two minutes to spare, but the vote was tied between two villagers, Genny and Bob at the time. Her logic for the switch, based on her posts was to take away Genny’s ability to control the situation, but at best it stopped Genny from self preservation voting onto Bob. I think if Sunny was wolfing, knowing both Genny and Bob were villagers, she would have stayed the hell away from either vote and just quietly left her vote on Mel.

Vis- Again, my village read here hasn’t changed. Her participation this game has been helpful, and pro-village. Also like Mel, I’m inclined to derp clear her for the last second switch to Genny. What wolf in their right mind does that?

Cray- I’m nervous to say it but I think I have to give Cray a village read. There’s nothing about Cray’s posts that have stood out to me as wolfy, not that I’m great at reading her but her tie making in the last hour seems village to me. I know her tie making shenanigans really sketched Mayo out, but this seems like Village!Cray trying to cause a little tension and get information by seeing what people do. I really don’t think wolf!Cray would be reckless like that. It really seems like a village!Cray move.

Neutral:
Dubz- Still the village side of neutral. Nothing stands out as wolfy, but nothing that’s making me sure she’s village either.

April- I’m moving her down to neutral. Since my top two wolf contenders are dead, I need to reevaluate everyone and there have definitely been things that have pinged me. I didn’t like how quick she was to vote onto Mayo after saying she wouldn’t vote there. She made that post about how “bread stayed away from wolves” in the last game which wasn’t accurate and since bread is one of my wolf reads, it gives me pause for sure. She has said a lot on this thread defending me, which I have to wonder now if this is a pocketing. Definitely going to keep a close eye on April during this cycle.

Mayo- He came off as a frustrated villager in our disagreement. It read genuine. Still hasn’t posted a whole lot of content or thoughts about the game to really get a sense of his affiliation yet though, so I’m leaving him in neutral.

MKG- Too few posts to say anything about this effectively. Her EOD posts were weird, and Sunny called her out for it. Still not sure what to make of it without further content for analysis.

Sporty- I don’t really have a good sense of her affiliation right now. She doesn’t have very many posts to analyze and help me make a determination.

Wolfy:
Alley- Not much content. But what she’s just posted, she’s working pretty hard to shade me based on posts from over 1/2 the thread ago from my argument with Mayo. It’s what really sketches me out about Bread too. They’re both driving this narrative that it HAS to be a w/v interaction. Neither one even remotely considering a v/v possibility. I also thing it’s pretty sketchy that she’s making the argument that when I’m wolfing I make this twisty arguments. You know where that narrative had the most traction? England, when I was arguing with Sunny and MK, where Cray shot me because she thought my arguments were “twisty” and I was village. So if you’re going to try and shade me by saying I’m only “twisty” when I’m wolfing, you’re dead wrong on that point.

Bread- Also very little content to actually analyze, still feel wolfy about the things I’ve mentioned above, and other posts.

Hmm this is a much improved list from zenge...

 

[sunshinefl]

I’m really surprised by the wolf nightkill choice. Bob was under suspicion and almost yeeted even with some people kinda saying they were reluctant to vote him out day 1 as a newish player. Seems like he could have easily been misyeeted today.

 

[sunshinefl]

Also, Something is rubbing me the wrong way about wildzoo throwing shade on the late Genny voters when she was the first one on the wagon.

 

[Viscernable]

I was satisfied with my vote on him at EOD, but clearly I was misguided and misjudged his noobiness for wolfiness.

Tone of this gives me hives. I thibk I like her post on her reasoning afterward tho. Need to think on it.

 

[Melchizedek]

Bob started reading frustrated villager as the votes piled up. I still wanted bread to show up and answer my question from yesterday (he made a comment about Mayo v Zenge very early that’s didn’t sit well with me), so I went there. It was annoying he didn’t show up so I flipped to Genny because I didn’t want bob lynched after this line:

Someone help me out. I will return the favor by saving your life sometime...

I straight up thought bob was soft claiming doctor here, and apparently so did the wolves.


Hard side eye at Dubz (and to a lesser extent anyone else) going “OMG Why did they kill BOB?!?!?” What he said was not subtle. That combined with her first post today (it reads like a very obvious “Look at me I’m so town because I’m asking the obvious question”) don’t make me feel good about her.

 

[sunshinefl]

Bob started reading frustrated villager as the votes piled up. I still wanted bread to show up and answer my question from yesterday (he made a comment about Mayo v Zenge very early that’s didn’t sit well with me), so I went there. It was annoying he didn’t show up so I flipped to Genny because I didn’t want bob lynched after this line:


I straight up thought bob was soft claiming doctor here, and apparently so did the wolves.


Hard side eye at Dubz (and to a lesser extent anyone else) going “OMG Why did they kill BOB?!?!?” What he said was not subtle. That combined with her first post today (it reads like a very obvious “Look at me I’m so town because I’m asking the obvious question”) don’t make me feel good about her.

Eh I didn’t think of that comment as anything but desperation. I didn’t think oh he’s the doctor. But maybe others did and that’s why they killed him.

*insert where you insult me for not figuring it out.*

but I do agree about WZ being off, as I’ve said.

 

[Crayola227]

I’m actually inclined to clear Vis and Mel for their Genny votes.
AM posts this tally with 1 minute until close.

Genny is already in the lead. With only 1 minute to close.

Mel moves off of bread onto Genny. Bread wasn’t in danger of everything swinging to him in those lost few seconds so you can’t say Mel was protecting bread. Since wolves know how Genny will flip, I can’t think of a reason why a wolf would have made the switch Mel made here.

Vis next moved off of Bob onto Genny. Now, since Bob was killed overnight, we know Vis moved from one villager who maybe would have been yeeted, but unlikely, to another villager who was already in the lead to get yeeted. With less than a minute to go. Again, I can’t understand why a wolf would have done this, and drawn attention to themselves like this.

Genny was already in the lead, with less than a minute to go. Neither one was saving anyone by switching their vote. Overall it was an odd thing to do, but I’m inclined to read them as village for it.

Not bad analysis. No idea why sunny eyerolled this though.

Sorry guys I've been dealing with a not-well kitty most of the morning and afternoon. Sitting at an urgent care now. It's just her ears I don't think she's really sick but she is not a happy kitty rn.

 

[Crayola227]

What I mean by wolf plot is wolves either killing bob to make someone else on the board look bad, to make it look like exactly what zenge is suggesting with clearing the people who moved late, or to make us think they're trying to do one of the above.

Isn't night kill analysis fun??

Yes, perfect example of how NKA with its WIFOM can have limited utility. This is why it's best to focus on other types of analysis.

 

[Viscernable]

I’m actually inclined to clear Vis and Mel for their Genny votes.
AM posts this tally with 1 minute until close.

Genny is already in the lead. With only 1 minute to close.

Mel moves off of bread onto Genny. Bread wasn’t in danger of everything swinging to him in those lost few seconds so you can’t say Mel was protecting bread. Since wolves know how Genny will flip, I can’t think of a reason why a wolf would have made the switch Mel made here.

Vis next moved off of Bob onto Genny. Now, since Bob was killed overnight, we know Vis moved from one villager who maybe would have been yeeted, but unlikely, to another villager who was already in the lead to get yeeted. With less than a minute to go. Again, I can’t understand why a wolf would have done this, and drawn attention to themselves like this.

Genny was already in the lead, with less than a minute to go. Neither one was saving anyone by switching their vote. Overall it was an odd thing to do, but I’m inclined to read them as village for it.

Maybe it’s stupid to argue this when it’s defending me (and honestly I would probably just leave it if it were defending just me and I felt confident about Z), but I disagree with this reasoning. Last-minute votes are often unco-ordinated with the wolfpack, and Mel could have been placing that vote to make sure a last-minute swing wouldn’t take out a packmate before seeing that there was already a flood of votes onto genny (or from others’ perspectives, I could have). As Dubz already pointed out, the NK could have been to sow all kinds of WIFOM about that last-minute swing. The aim could be to make you and/or bread look better or worse or to make the people on certain wagons look better or worse, or just to sow general confusion.

 

[Crayola227]

Mayo stated this perfectly. Whenever I see Zenge making large leaps of logic and exaggerating, I get pinged by his wolfiness. I have seen those stretching the truth a couple of times so far this game.

@Melchizedek here is where I pointed out that I was feeling icky about bob




Agreeing with Bread’s logic here. Still reading Z as more wolfy than Mayo, but some of his posts today seemed pro-village. And yes, it’s possible that they’re both villagers, but that interaction seemed more conducive to w/v. Way too much attention was drawn to it for me to think it was w/w though.

I know MKG was the other person (besides myself) who didn’t meet post minimum, so I will be keeping an eye on her posts today to see what she’s thinking


I can’t figure out how to move the quotes around, so just look where I tagged you earlier in this post to see where I pointed out which posts pinged me before.

Well I pulled this last night as another bob quote that rubbed me the wrong way.

And another one. I seriously misjudged him ugh

I agree with April’s summary of wolf!bread. During WoWP, he was very careful trying to not seem too associated with the other wolves. So far, his few posts seem village to me

I literally still do not understand reaction tests, so fair warning I’m going to be confused if somebody does one in this game

What is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

I hope, that while maybe you haven't learned to employ/recognize/analyze reaction tests, that you do understand them in theory.

One simple example is say maybe Cheezit, who is my general arch nemesis, is actually village. Say he suspects I am a wolf. He could reaction test me by liking my posts and agreeing with my posts or being jokey with me to see what I do. He may have a theory that a Wolfy Crayola is going to enjoy the back and forth between us being more agreeable, and certainly let sleeping dogs lie. He may have a theory that a Village Crayola that truly didn't know his Aff would immediately be suspicious of agreeableness from Cheezit. If he was doing what he did on purpose to test my reaction, it would be a reaction test.

Yesterday all my vote swaps to create ties were a form of reaction test. It's something I'm just learning to play with, I'm not adept at interpretation yet, but if you never try something in WW you can never get better at it.

 

[Crayola227]

All those Genny votes that piled on after she was already in the lead really wigged me out, but now that we know the counter wagon was also a villager, I'm spinning in WIFOM circles.

I'm still leaning Zenge village, which would make all three leading wagons village, and wolves could have safely hid on a lone vote

I've considered that none of the leading wagons yesterday were wolves, which might explain why it felt like no one was trying to "rescue" anyone.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm making a note to myself to go back and see what Sporty was on Sun for and what Mayo was on Cray for. I remember mkg said she intentionally put her vote on Dubz because she didn't want to be on a leading wagon which felt okay in the moment given her busy schedule, but now knowing that two of the three leading wagons were village and I think the third is too, it doesn't make me feel good about mkg's vote placement. Just need to see more from her today

That was a real bad look for mkg yesterday

 

[PippyPony]

I don't know why everyone is acting so shocked that wolves killed a runner up. Wolves do that all the time.

Mild-to-moderately sketched out by everyone who's making that into a thing. *cough*Dubz.

 

[PippyPony]

This feels eeeeeeeh

What does "eeeeeeeh" mean

 

[PippyPony]

Oh god I am agreeing with Cheezit

 

[Crayola227]

Okay, as always a lot of my D1 reads are trash. Time to update.

Village:
Mel- Still like my village read. Seems to be wolf hunting. The Genny vote makes Mel seem more village to me in a Derp clear kind of way. Especially since I’ve been told Mel is a pretty good wolf and a smart wolf wouldn’t have drawn attention to themselves like that.

Pippy- Reading her as village. Seems like she’s contributing in an meaningful way, and actively wolf hunting.

Sunny- Still village reading her. I’m actually inclined to give her the same clear I’m giving to Vis and Mel. Her vote switch to Genny did come earlier, with two minutes to spare, but the vote was tied between two villagers, Genny and Bob at the time. Her logic for the switch, based on her posts was to take away Genny’s ability to control the situation, but at best it stopped Genny from self preservation voting onto Bob. I think if Sunny was wolfing, knowing both Genny and Bob were villagers, she would have stayed the hell away from either vote and just quietly left her vote on Mel.

Vis- Again, my village read here hasn’t changed. Her participation this game has been helpful, and pro-village. Also like Mel, I’m inclined to derp clear her for the last second switch to Genny. What wolf in their right mind does that?

Cray- I’m nervous to say it but I think I have to give Cray a village read. There’s nothing about Cray’s posts that have stood out to me as wolfy, not that I’m great at reading her but her tie making in the last hour seems village to me. I know her tie making shenanigans really sketched Mayo out, but this seems like Village!Cray trying to cause a little tension and get information by seeing what people do. I really don’t think wolf!Cray would be reckless like that. It really seems like a village!Cray move.

Neutral:
Dubz- Still the village side of neutral. Nothing stands out as wolfy, but nothing that’s making me sure she’s village either.

April- I’m moving her down to neutral. Since my top two wolf contenders are dead, I need to reevaluate everyone and there have definitely been things that have pinged me. I didn’t like how quick she was to vote onto Mayo after saying she wouldn’t vote there. She made that post about how “bread stayed away from wolves” in the last game which wasn’t accurate and since bread is one of my wolf reads, it gives me pause for sure. She has said a lot on this thread defending me, which I have to wonder now if this is a pocketing. Definitely going to keep a close eye on April during this cycle.

Mayo- He came off as a frustrated villager in our disagreement. It read genuine. Still hasn’t posted a whole lot of content or thoughts about the game to really get a sense of his affiliation yet though, so I’m leaving him in neutral.

MKG- Too few posts to say anything about this effectively. Her EOD posts were weird, and Sunny called her out for it. Still not sure what to make of it without further content for analysis.

Sporty- I don’t really have a good sense of her affiliation right now. She doesn’t have very many posts to analyze and help me make a determination.

Wolfy:
Alley- Not much content. But what she’s just posted, she’s working pretty hard to shade me based on posts from over 1/2 the thread ago from my argument with Mayo. It’s what really sketches me out about Bread too. They’re both driving this narrative that it HAS to be a w/v interaction. Neither one even remotely considering a v/v possibility. I also thing it’s pretty sketchy that she’s making the argument that when I’m wolfing I make this twisty arguments. You know where that narrative had the most traction? England, when I was arguing with Sunny and MK, where Cray shot me because she thought my arguments were “twisty” and I was village. So if you’re going to try and shade me by saying I’m only “twisty” when I’m wolfing, you’re dead wrong on that point.

Bread- Also very little content to actually analyze, still feel wolfy about the things I’ve mentioned above, and other posts.

Major thing to point out here is that I would not put that past Mel as a master wolf plot. He is absolutely that smart and would possibly direct moves like that in wolf chat.

 

[PippyPony]

Eh I didn’t think of that comment as anything but desperation. I didn’t think oh he’s the doctor. But maybe others did and that’s why they killed him.

*insert where you insult me for not figuring it out.*

Ok but this feels sketchy though.

Why would anyone be insulting you in this scenario? Who is going to insult a villager for a lack of power role hunting? What villager is even thinking about their performance metrics for identifying possible role hints?

Smacks of wolfy defensiveness over perceived feedback. Mega sketch point to you.

 

[Crayola227]

Yeet cray

I didn't like how she was talking about wolf kill choice strategy yesterday, especially in light of the fact that I'm still alive this morning

This makes zero sense to me. Can you explain?

 

[PippyPony]

I think Sunshine, Mel, and Dubz should be on the board today. I feel like there is probably a wolf somewhere in that group of 3 based on their posts over the last day and a half.

 

[Crayola227]

Bob started reading frustrated villager as the votes piled up. I still wanted bread to show up and answer my question from yesterday (he made a comment about Mayo v Zenge very early that’s didn’t sit well with me), so I went there. It was annoying he didn’t show up so I flipped to Genny because I didn’t want bob lynched after this line:


I straight up thought bob was soft claiming doctor here, and apparently so did the wolves.


Hard side eye at Dubz (and to a lesser extent anyone else) going “OMG Why did they kill BOB?!?!?” What he said was not subtle. That combined with her first post today (it reads like a very obvious “Look at me I’m so town because I’m asking the obvious question”) don’t make me feel good about her.

Well frak. Solves that mystery. Also I fear I said something that might have implied he was village vig, and while some wolves will leave them alive to shoot, others don't.

Now I'm never smart enough to catch onto any possible soft claims, it makes me wonder about who might have. Agree on side eyeing people being like BOOBBBBBBb NOOOOOooooo!!! today

 

[PippyPony]

This makes zero sense to me. Can you explain?

Yesterday you made a post saying how you thought I was probably a vanillager because of how I was asking to die early, and that you thought wolves wouldn't waste a kill on that.

As I just told Sunshine, villagers typically aren't spending a lot of brain real estate trying to triage hypothetical kill orders based on likelihood of a power role.

I also think you in particular would be someone who might look at me asking "be kind, euthanize" and go "naaaahhh not strategically useful" and stamp ~Request Denied~ all over my file.

You're welcome to try to convince me otherwise but I'd like to see you get a little heat today in addition to that group of 3 I just mentioned.

 

[Crayola227]

Ok but this feels sketchy though.

Why would anyone be insulting you in this scenario? Who is going to insult a villager for a lack of power role hunting? What villager is even thinking about their performance metrics for identifying possible role hints?

Smacks of wolfy defensiveness over perceived feedback. Mega sketch point to you.

Eh that post and that behavior from Sunny feels very NAI to me.

OTOH, the way you're trying to push me and Sunny as sketch I'm finding sketch. Yesterday you moved me more village, today you vote me and the reasoning that I was talking NKA Yesterday to counter your point, feels weak. And now you're maybe trying to pocket Mel?

 

[PippyPony]

And as a follow up...

Now I'm never smart enough to catch onto any possible soft claims, it makes me wonder about who might have.

This comment feels rather disingenuous considering you were playing the "vanilla or not vanilla" game yesterday with regards to my role, and are apparently considering whether you "said something" that would suggest Bob was the vigilante.

I don't even know what you could possibly be referencing with that latter bit or why you think wolves would be under the impression you would know someone else's power role on D1, so it looks like you are just making another flavor "ohHh nOoOo, dearest bob!" comment yourself.

 

[Crayola227]

Yesterday you made a post saying how you thought I was probably a vanillager because of how I was asking to die early, and that you thought wolves wouldn't waste a kill on that.

As I just told Sunshine, villagers typically aren't spending a lot of brain real estate trying to triage hypothetical kill orders based on likelihood of a power role.

I also think you in particular would be someone who might look at me asking "be kind, euthanize" and go "naaaahhh not strategically useful" and stamp ~Request Denied~ all over my file.

You're welcome to try to convince me otherwise but I'd like to see you get a little heat today in addition to that group of 3 I just mentioned.

I was NOT trying to say your move made it likely you were vanillager, well, correction, I am having a hard time figuring out what it means for your Aff because tons of WIFOM, but in the case you're village then I can see how wolves might look at it all.

I was countering your point that wolves would just go ahead and kill you because you asked, I think that logic is absurd when there would be sound strategic reasons for reaching their wincon not to do you any favors.

The fact that if I was a wolf I would deny your request, does not make me a wolf. Part of wolf hunting is thinking like a wolf.

Your logical leap that wolves would just kill you is bad, bad, bad.

The way you're trying to use my reaction has me feeling pretty concerned about your Aff.

 

[PippyPony]

Eh that post and that behavior from Sunny feels very NAI to me.

OTOH, the way you're trying to push me and Sunny as sketch I'm finding sketch. Yesterday you moved me more village, today you vote me and the reasoning that I was talking NKA Yesterday to counter your point, feels weak.

I don't really care if you think it feels weak. I thought it, so I said it.

And now I'm wondering if it hit a nerve, because you defended Sunshine yesterday and you're doing it again today.

And now you're maybe trying to pocket Mel?

The day I try to pocket Mel is the day I drink a jug full of bleach

 

[PippyPony]

I think that logic is absurd when there would be sound strategic reasons for reaching their wincon not to do you any favors.

The fact that if I was a wolf I would deny your request, does not make me a wolf. Part of wolf hunting is thinking like a wolf.

Ok so like... you're saying I'm right? Lol

 

[Crayola227]

And as a follow up...

This comment feels rather disingenuous considering you were playing the "vanilla or not vanilla" game yesterday with regards to my role, and are apparently considering whether you "said something" that would suggest Bob was the vigilante.

I don't even know what you could possibly be referencing with that latter bit or why you think wolves would be under the impression you would know someone else's power role on D1, so it looks like you are just making another flavor "ohHh nOoOo, dearest bob!" comment yourself.

I don't quite know how to explain, and I wish Cyndia was here to back up how good she is at PR hunting as a wolf, and how in pack chat I kept saying "wow how did you catch so and so said/did that!" I bet @alleycat03 and @Zenge142 can back me up that repeatedly in pack chat I have said "OK guys, now we want to look for clues to PRs, but I'm not gonna catch any villager hints!" And the responsibility for actually figuring that out fell to them.

When I said the last part, saying I wonder who would have considered the PR hunting stuff and might have seen a soft claim, I mean who are wolves smart enough to see that stuff. It's not me. I can't list who is dumb this way like I am, as I can say who is decent at it. Mel, Pip, Alley, Zenge, from what I can tell have decent PR soft claim pick up skills. I was saying we should look at people like that because Cheezit made a decent point that Bob's kill might make sense as there might have been reasons they they he was a PR.

Bob was asking who was elected, and SOMEONE ELSE saw that and pointed it out saying "Why, you planning a NK wolfy?" And I piggybacked on that saying that maybe it wasn't a wolfy kill he was trying to plan. So I would hardly give myself credit for picking up a soft *that didn't already have attention*.

I don't catch on *when villagers are hinting on open thread* their roles.

If you are begging for death, and I conclude you must either be a wolf sowing WIFOM, or a villager who doesn't have a PR, I don't see that the same as them making a purposeful soft claim and me catching onto that.

 

[Crayola227]

And as a follow up...

This comment feels rather disingenuous considering you were playing the "vanilla or not vanilla" game yesterday with regards to my role, and are apparently considering whether you "said something" that would suggest Bob was the vigilante.

I don't even know what you could possibly be referencing with that latter bit or why you think wolves would be under the impression you would know someone else's power role on D1, so it looks like you are just making another flavor "ohHh nOoOo, dearest bob!" comment yourself.

It's also starting to feel like where you start purposefully missing the point so you can try to create some sense of "look this person is being hypocritical and hypocritical = wolfy" argument which I usually find very flawed as an argument in general.

 

[PippyPony]

And this the deepest cut of all... @Crayola227 has forgotten who first taught her to power role hunt

😢

 

[PippyPony]

It's also starting to feel like where you start purposefully missing the point so you can try to create some sense of "look this person is being hypocritical and hypocritical = wolfy" argument which I usually find very flawed as an argument in general.

I think I'm actually saying the reverse? 😂 What I'm trying to say is that you are saying exactly what you mean lmao

 

[sunshinefl]

Ok but this feels sketchy though.

Why would anyone be insulting you in this scenario? Who is going to insult a villager for a lack of power role hunting? What villager is even thinking about their performance metrics for identifying possible role hints?

Smacks of wolfy defensiveness over perceived feedback. Mega sketch point to you.

Not “anyone”, but specifically Mel who I was responding to. Because the one and only time we played together he kept calling me stupid for not seeing some conclusion he reached.

I think Sunshine, Mel, and Dubz should be on the board today. I feel like there is probably a wolf somewhere in that group of 3 based on their posts over the last day and a half.

Not sure how you grouped us together, but at this point Dubz is the sketchiest.


major sketch points to you Pippy for manufacturing sus against me.

 

[Crayola227]

And this the deepest cut of all... @Crayola227 has forgotten who first taught her to power role hunt

😢

I didn't! Pretty sure whenever I'm teaching noob wolves I put out your list you taught me, and I usually remember to credit you!

You're also on my list of wolves smart enough to catch a soft.

 

[PippyPony]

Not “anyone”, but specifically Mel who I was responding to. Because the one and only time we played together he kept calling me stupid for not seeing some conclusion he reached.

Do you remember who else got rough with the critiques of your play style? A village DocE, who is a similar player to Mel in some ways. And you were a wolf in that game.

I still don't see why you think anyone -- Mel or otherwise -- would critique you for missing a possible soft claim. That's not a villager performance metric.

Not sure how you grouped us together, but at this point Dubz is the sketchiest.

It's because in my head it feels like there is a leverage point there. You know when you're opening an oyster and you wiggle the knife in just the right spot, and it just pops open? It's like that.

I can't really put any of the 3 of you into the same pack together based on your comments, and there's enough interactions between the 3 of you + with other people to use your alignments to narrow the POE.

major sketch points to you Pippy for manufacturing sus against me.

I thought yesterday you said I was a villager and you'd rather look for real wolves?

 

[sunshinefl]

Do you remember who else got rough with the critiques of your play style? A village DocE, who is a similar player to Mel in some ways. And you were a wolf in that game.

Actually no. Doc E barely said anything about my play style. That was shorty he got really went in on. Remember how I got **** for not defending her?

I still don't see why you think anyone -- Mel or otherwise -- would critique you for missing a possible soft claim. That's not a villager performance metric.

Because Mel gave me **** over something really stupid last time. And I got IRL mad because he was so ridiculous. And I think he did too because it blew up.

I never said it was a villager performance metric. It’s that Mel “caught it” and I didn’t, and Mel is historically a jerk to me.

It's because in my head it feels like there is a leverage point there. You know when you're opening an oyster and you wiggle the knife in just the right spot, and it just pops open? It's like that.

No. I’m a vegetarian and can’t relate.

I can't really put any of the 3 of you into the same pack together based on your comments, and there's enough interactions between the 3 of you + with other people to use your alignments to narrow the POE.

I don’t really see it but okay.

I thought yesterday you said I was a villager and you'd rather look for real wolves?

Nope. Wrong again. I said I would rather look for wolves independent of your “kill me statement” IF you were a villager.

 

[PippyPony]

The day I try to pocket Mel is the day I drink a jug full of bleach

I re-read this and it sounds kinda harsh so I should probably clarify that I'm saying this to tease Mel because I'm happy he's back

Friendly teasing = #NotAPocket