Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

[Aprilthearab]

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Not all reaction tests involve being openly sketchy and seeing who picks up on it. For example this is a great setup:

If you feel like people keep mentioning person A as sketchy, but not voting there, put your own vote there and see what happens. Do those people join you? If they do, then did they do it in a way that pings your wolfdar or did they do it in a villagery way? If they don't, is it because they logically reconsidered their stance on person A, or did they not vote because they are a wolf and just wanted to throw out a fake/easy read to look like they were generating discussion.

the difference between someone doing something sketchy and then using reaction tests as a defense, and an actual test is that the person has a follow up thought process and analysis, not just touting that its a test.

Putting a vote on you did cross my mind after I posted that because it sketches me out that there are people calling you sketchy but no one is actually putting a vote there. I'd rather put my vote on a wolf read though, and you're hanging around in neutrals.

She’s also seems to be buddying up with/defending Sporty, which sunny pointed out earlier. This whole thing felt weird AF.

I'm trying to figure out why me saying multiple times that I'm concerned about Sporty's inactivity/lack of contribution then feeling less concerned after she caught up and I like her analysis is somehow buddying up.

 

[sunshinefl]

And everyone that thought her rudeness was funny is rude as well

 

[PippyPony]

Also no need to be rude

How is interpretive dance rude? It's people playing with giant cat toys.

 

[sunshinefl]

Because she was responding to me like she’s dumbing it down because I’m too stupid for the English language

 

[sunshinefl]

It really deserved an inappropriate but all the people laughing in the reacts are the same ones who would go up in arms if god forbid her being incredibly condescending and rude was meant with the appropriate react

 

[PippyPony]

Because she was responding to me like she’s dumbing it down because I’m too stupid for the English language

You're a doctor. I don't think anyone thinks you're stupid.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Bread (1) - Zenge
Cray (1) - April
Zenge (1) - alley
sunshine (2) - Pippy, Sporty
April (1) - DubZ
Sporty () -
alley (1) - Mel
Pippy (1) - sunshine

8/13
yeet close in ~4 hours

 

[sunshinefl]

You're a doctor. I don't think anyone thinks you're stupid.

Well clearly Visc does since she used Tarzan-style language to respond to me.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Sure sunny could be defending bread cause their pack mates, but I really think in this situation Cray and Mel are more wolfy. Like I don’t remember them giving much of a reason for their swapped votes, and it’s not like bread was on to say anything sus.

Okay, but... You were talking about Sun and I was asking you about Sun so I'm not sure why you're pushing this convo onto Cray and Mel which are separate occurrences and shouldn't necessarily affect your individual read of Sun unless you can explain why it does

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay, but... You were talking about Sun and I was asking you about Sun so I'm not sure why you're pushing this convo onto Cray and Mel which are separate occurrences and shouldn't necessarily affect your individual read of Sun unless you can explain why it does

April what is this tunnel you have for me? jfc

 

[The_Breadmann]

Bread - other than zenge I don't think he's mentioned thoughts on much of anyone so far, and now he's backtracked on the zenge read to neutral. Need more here.

I am willing to back track if it is necessary, but I am also happy to stick to my guns. I would rather not stick to a vote if it is not going to go anywhere thought.

 

[PippyPony]

I am willing to back track if it is necessary, but I am also happy to stick to my guns. I would rather not stick to a vote if it is not going to go anywhere though.

...can you explain what you mean by this

Because that reads as extremely sketchy logic.

 

[Aprilthearab]

April what is this tunnel you have for me? jfc

Sun. I'm not tunneling you, dear lord. I'm trying to understand mkg's point here because I don't get it and she's giving me even more bad vibes after I said she gave me bad vibes the other day and if she continued to do so, I'd be putting my vote there. Speaking of which

Unyeet Cray
Yeet mkg

 

[PippyPony]

Oh hmm when did sunshine retaliatory vote me? I didn't see that before.

 

[sunshinefl]

Sun. I'm not tunneling you, dear lord. I'm trying to understand mkg's point here because I don't get it and she's giving me even more bad vibes after I said she gave me bad vibes the other day and if she continued to do so, I'd be putting my vote there. Speaking of which

Unyeet Cray
Yeet mkg

Okay but you constantly tell me I’m being sus, and most of your other statements seem to be agreeing if another person mentions being sus of me, and disagreeing if another person mentions not being sus of me. Like okay. You are literally trapped in a tunnel.

Oh hmm when did sunshine retaliatory vote me? I didn't see that before.

You mean when did I vote you for twisting everything into a false narrative?

 

[PippyPony]

Unyeet sporty
Yeet Pippy

because she repeatedly is twisting things regarding me this game

Ah.

You realize the last time I got accused of this (last game) I was a villager, right?

And the game before that, I was a village-siding 3P who was being accused by wolves?

So...

 

[Aprilthearab]

Okay but you constantly tell me I’m being sus, and most of your other statements seem to be agreeing if another person mentions being sus of me, and disagreeing if another person mentions not being sus of me. Like okay. You are literally trapped in a tunnel.

Please show these quotes to me because I really don't think nearly as many exist as you think there are

Leaving someone in my wolfy pile while trying to figure out other people is not a tunnel. I've literally not put a single vote on you this game.

 

[sunshinefl]

Ah.

You realize the last time I got accused of this (last game) I was a villager, right?

And the game before that, I was a village-siding 3P who was being accused by wolves?

So...

I never said it before this game. Can’t speak to other people.

Please show these quotes to me because I really don't think nearly as many exist as you think there are

Leaving someone in my wolfy pile while trying to figure out other people is not a tunnel. I've literally not put a single vote on you this game.

Yes but using me=wolf as your frame of reference for reading everyone else is a tunnel.

 

[The_Breadmann]

I can’t say I’ve seen anything from Sunny this game that’s outside the bounds of what I would expect from Village!Sunny. I like some of her reads, and she’s calling people out for things I agree with in a way that feels like genuine wolf hunting.

So just based on my village read of Sunny, I’m inclined to say she’s not in a pack with Bread and ???.

Although this does make me feel a little better about Zenge because when we wolfed together last game he did point out that Sunny can be an easy misyeet. At the moment I think I might interpret this as more village unless he is a wolf trying to save Sunny for a future misyeet(I feel like this may be more suspicious if he does this though because that would be back tracking)

 

[Viscernable]

Well clearly Visc does since she used Tarzan-style language to respond to me.

Sunny, I definitely don’t think you’re stupid. I was joking about needing to state it in simple language because it feels like I’ve restated my point over and over and you aren’t listening. I wouldn’t have made that joke if I didn’t think you’d be able to take it without being too offended, which I did because you dish it out regularly. I’m sorry that I offended you.

As to my magical conclusion about Z, I’m reading him wolfy but I’m not yet sure I want to vote there. It has nothing to do with the thing with Bob, and that also had no bearing on my D1 vote. I wanted to see if w/w or w/v was more likely as that would influence my future read on Z or Bob if one flipped wolf. His reaction wouldn’t make him or Z individually look more wolfy to me, but it would make me think Z was likely a wolf if Bob flipped wolf after saving Z, or that Z was less likely to be a wolf if Bob flipped wolf after not saving Z.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Yes but using me=wolf as your frame of reference for reading everyone else is a tunnel.

But. I'm. Not.

The problem I have with mkg's argument is that she's assuming bread is village and using that to read you village for pointing out that she was on his yeet. That part alone I don't understand, but combined with the fact that the two leading wagons were villagers, it makes even less sense. It wouldn't matter who she was reading as village or not, it's the logic that does not make any sense.

 

[mkg323]

Okay, but... You were talking about Sun and I was asking you about Sun so I'm not sure why you're pushing this convo onto Cray and Mel which are separate occurrences and shouldn't necessarily affect your individual read of Sun unless you can explain why it does

??? I answered about sunny, sure they could be, but looking at yeet close D1 the votes on bread pinged me more than sunny defending someone that hasn’t been on thread at all. And they aren’t really separate occurances because it all has to do with the bread yeet attempt D1. They were the ones that moved there votes to him, which was why sunny pointed out my throw away vote was on a leading wagon.

 

[sunshinefl]

But. I'm. Not.

The problem I have with mkg's argument is that she's assuming bread is village and using that to read you village for pointing out that she was on his yeet. That part alone I don't understand, but combined with the fact that the two leading wagons were villagers, it makes even less sense. It wouldn't matter who she was reading as village or not, it's the logic that does not make any sense.

Maybe it’s just because I’m the person involved I can’t see what you’re seeing, but.... I don’t know breads affiliation, so maybe she doesn’t need to either to judge my actions?

 

[Aprilthearab]

??? I answered about sunny, sure they could be, but looking at yeet close D1 the votes on bread pinged me more than sunny defending someone that hasn’t been on thread at all. And they aren’t really separate occurances because it all has to do with the bread yeet attempt D1. They were the ones that moved there votes to him, which was why sunny pointed out my throw away vote was on a leading wagon.

That's fine if something else pinged you more, but the conclusion you came to regarding what didn't ping you is very strange because it runs on quite a few stretchy assumptions about people's affiliations and how they would or would not say something as a wolf.

 

[mkg323]

Again, how is this capitalizing on your vote? What’s the wolfy plot to vote out Bread over two other leading villagers?

You don’t think it’s wolfy to try and vote out someone who hasnt been on thread? Like I don’t see how anyone could have been reading bread either way, how was there enough to yeet him?

 

[sunshinefl]

@ mkg my thumb slid. It was always supposed to be “hmm”

 

[PippyPony]

You don’t think it’s wolfy to try and vote out someone who hasnt been on thread? Like I don’t see how anyone could have been reading bread either way, how was there enough to yeet him?

...are we going to do this again? lol

 

[Aprilthearab]

You don’t think it’s wolfy to try and vote out someone who hasnt been on thread? Like I don’t see how anyone could have been reading bread either way, how was there enough to yeet him?

But why would there have been a push there from a wolf when there were two other perfectly viable villagers on the board and in more of a lead?

 

[alleycat03]

10. @alleycat03 absent/mixed

Weird post trying to say Zenge was “more village” on some of his posts today, when he had only made 1 at that point (but Visc posted quotes where now she is voting for him? Which is odd), POE okay

Just explained, see this post:

Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

Z had made literally 1 post today at this point. Which is making me wonder if they could be packmates and she’s trying to slowly change public opinion on zenge. This is definitely a post wild alley would make about a packmate. Makes me kinda side eye both of them. See my post above. Both of the...

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Did alley come back and address this?

See above

Can you point out examples of these "leaps of logic" zenge has made this game?

See this post: Henry Stickmin Mafia

vote Alley

would probably back a bread, sporty, or sunshine vote at this point as well.

They are all neutral for me or in my POE right now.

Not sure how I feel agreeing with you since you're currently voting for me though.

alley - I don't think she would be in a pack with April, but I do think there is a wolf between the two of them. Need to read back over her posts a bit, there were a couple of times where I thought the phrasing was odd

Is it just the incongruent reads on Zenge? Or something else?

I had feelings about alley but I’m trying to remember what they were.

How are you feeling about me now?

Ok

How do people feel about a bread/sunny/?? pack?

Potentially, but both of them are acting "normal" though. Aka I know I am pretty bad at reading them both, but they seem in line with their normal village metas? It's why I have them both as neutral right now.

This makes me feel that alley and sunny are w/v. Hmm

Well then Sunny is the wolf, because it's certainly not me.

I dunno how to feel about this if alley flips wolf. Seems kind of like she’s trying to bring this up to indict Z, especially with her not explicitly stating the obvious implication that this doesn’t look great for Z (could be trying to plant sus but distance herself from it). But the last phrase looks like the whole thing was brought up as a subtle defence of Z.

All I was trying to say is that we are both usually good at identifying softs/PRs. Meaning it could bring sus to both of us being wolfy. I am telling the truth when I say that the Bob line went totally over my head. There's nothing to prove that I missed it, but there's also nothing to prove that Zenge or anyone else caught it.

 

[mkg323]

But why would there have been a push there from a wolf when there were two other perfectly viable villagers on the board and in more of a lead?

Who knows? Wolves do weird **** all the time to throw village off. Maybe the others in the lead had a wolf in their village reads already, or they thought they’d be an easy misyeet today.
Like I’m not saying oh cray and Mel are both 100% wolves. But I didn’t like their last minute votes there, and no one else wanted to bring it up so I did. Literally the same thing happened in WoWP, Dubz started a waffle wagon on vis and a bunch of wolves hopped on it. Even though Anthony who was village was probably going to get yeeted

 

[Viscernable]

village-siding 3P

Please don’t goo me even if it’s how you show love

 

[The_Breadmann]

...can you explain what you mean by this

Because that reads as extremely sketchy logic.

I was thinking more along the lines that I would rather search elsewhere than just stay on a vote to stay on a vote. If Zenge is a villager which I might lean more towards after more of a defense of Sunny than I am wasting my vote and tunneling in a direction that leads no where.

 

[Viscernable]

Although this does make me feel a little better about Zenge because when we wolfed together last game he did point out that Sunny can be an easy misyeet. At the moment I think I might interpret this as more village unless he is a wolf trying to save Sunny for a future misyeet(I feel like this may be more suspicious if he does this though because that would be back tracking)

The latter seems unlikely, but the first is a good point. How do you feel about the possibility of w/w?

 

[Melchizedek]

Well that’s problem #2 with reaction tests. That still doesn’t give you a clear answer. It just generates more **** to analyze. But it would be totally easy to each the wrong conclusion. Like on your example, they changed their mind about person A, but you decide it’s because they were a wolf. And in the meantime, people may not follow your conclusion and then you get sus. So basically, very rarely are reaction tests actually useful.

Lol since when is generating more data to analyze NOT good for village? It’s a data point amongst others, I don’t vote based on reaction tests alone and don’t advocate it, but if your analysis ends up in line with other things you find scummy or townie, then it strengthens your read.
I also have strong opinions on voting only when someone hits a threshold of evidence but I don’t want to derail the game, just wanted to capitalize on a teaching moment.

 

[Zenge142]

Like I don’t see how anyone could have been reading bread either way, how was there enough to yeet him?

Okay MKG. If I’m going to do an ISO on bread I’ll do it to put everything in context for you.

Opening here is sketch, but that is NAI for Bread.

Spoiler

Glad to play with you again BROTHER!

###yeet mother sporty###

Joking around about his height for a while. Sketch, but still NAI for Bread.

Spoiler

I have never lied from what I remember

They are trying to paint the image that I am not a smol boi

She is actually really small though

Basically makes literally the exact same argument with Bob, that I was making with Mayo:

Spoiler

But the game is to help both if them get practice so either can be on either side. So we should no assume one way or another just because of the purpose of the game.

Decides to get serious, looks at the Mayo/Zenge (that’s me) situation and despite making the same point to Bob that I was making to Mayo, sees the situation as me being wolfy. Also decides to call Cray Village, despite admitting to never having seen Cray be a wolf and who TF is village reading Cray that early?

Spoiler

I am going to take back my joke vote now and try and decide on a serious vote before I hit the road and probably get home after yeet close.


###unyeet sporty###

Totally breaking my post up since I have to head out soon.


Think there might be something between Zenge and Mayo but I am feeling like Mayo is most likely to be a villager. Mayo does a feel a little less like regular Mayo but he does seem to take this as more of a prep game rather than just a run of the mill game serious. And maybe jumping away from metas is the best thing we can do.

I am feeling like Cray is probably the same Cray I have seen until now(have only seen Cray play villager)

I will go with voting Zenge for now and maybe I can get some reading in while taking breaks.


###yeet zenge###

Explains to Cray that Mayo is asking for mods to smite him. Says he feels more comfortable with Mayo than with me, despite siding with my side of the debate, based on what he said to Bob. Then he shades Mayo to Vis who’s village reading Mayo.

Spoiler

Mayo was asking for mod smiting rather than to be voted off the island at least

I am reading Mayo as village, not entirely sure about zenge. Feel safer preserving zenge and I am going to be stuck on the road for about 10ish hour in a bit

But isnt that the best way to play too. If you try and stay away from a meta then you give better practice and also try and cover tells.

That’s the end of Day 1. Even without a large number of posts, there’s a lot of inconsistencies there that are fairly sketchy.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm not caught up, about a page behind. I'm going out unexpectedly for drinks and don't expect to get caught up or at deadline.

Gonna drop a vote on

#### yeet Sporty ####

Least good feels here with the drive bys

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay MKG. If I’m going to do an ISO on bread I’ll do it to put everything in context for you.

Opening here is sketch, but that is NAI for Bread.Joking around about his height for a while. Sketch, but still NAI for Bread.Basically makes literally the exact same argument with Bob, that I was making with Mayo:Decides to get serious, looks at the Mayo/Zenge (that’s me) situation and despite making the same point to Bob that I was making to Mayo, sees the situation as me being wolfy. Also decides to call Cray Village, despite admitting to never having seen Cray be a wolf and who TF is village reading Cray that early?Explains to Cray that Mayo is asking for mods to smite him. Says he feels more comfortable with Mayo than with me, despite siding with my side of the debate, based on what he said to Bob. Then he shades Mayo to Vis who’s village reading Mayo. That’s the end of Day 1. Even without a large number of posts, there’s a lot of inconsistencies there that are fairly sketchy.

Tbh to this day I have still skipped over that whole Mayo/zenge thing.

 

[sunshinefl]

Please don’t goo me even if it’s how you show love

Guys this is literal open set up. There are no 3P.

which reminds me, further strengthening my Pippy sus..... she has used this game setup argument any time someone gets a whiff that she could maybe might be 3P, but “suddenly” she doesn’t know how a villager could know there were 80% villagers at the start of the game.

 

[The_Breadmann]

Yeah but does this really line up with his voting history?

That’s the issue. Woof reading me and voting me yesterday without much to support it. Combined with today’s post it is hedgy.

But it kind of does line up with what was available at the time to me though.

 

[Viscernable]

Guys this is literal open set up. There are no 3P.

which reminds me, further strengthening my Pippy sus..... she has used this game setup argument any time someone gets a whiff that she could maybe might be 3P, but “suddenly” she doesn’t know how a villager could know there were 80% villagers at the start of the game.

I’m aware, I just thought Pippy referring to her gooeyness as “village-sided” was funny

 

[sunshinefl]

I’m aware, I just thought Pippy referring to her gooeyness as “village-sided” was funny

What to you think about the rest of my post?

 

[Viscernable]

That’s the end of Day 1. Even without a large number of posts, there’s a lot of inconsistencies there that are fairly sketchy.

How do you feel about his D2 posts? Not asking for a full iso unless you want to, just point me to posts you’ve already talked about them if you have

 

[Viscernable]

What to you think about the rest of my post?

It is an interesting point. I’m really bad at reading Pippy - she always sounds wolfy to me so it seems I’ve overcorrected and always read her village (tbf she has never wolfed in a game I played, but I read her pretty strongly village when she was cult). Her way of interpreting posts always seems like twisting words and misrepresenting things to me so I just kind of ignore that, unless context/flips make it look like they were deliberate to defend a packmate or smth. This feels like a different thing and does seem like very convenient selective memory, so a point in the wolf column there.

 

[PippyPony]

which reminds me, further strengthening my Pippy sus..... she has used this game setup argument any time someone gets a whiff that she could maybe might be 3P, but “suddenly” she doesn’t know how a villager could know there were 80% villagers at the start of the game.

Where did I ever say that? I did that exact calculation on an earlier page.

But your use of that statistic didn't really match the context for your other statement, in my opinion. It kinda looks to me like you went back later to find an explanation because someone noticed it was sketchy and you can't edit it.

You definitely have done something similar as a wolf in the past and you got equally angry at me for pointing out "right wolf wrong (?) reason"... although I maintain that time it was not a wrong reason.

I dunno Sunny. Overall you just seem to be giving explanations for your logic in this game that I am really not following. Last time -- when you were a villager -- I saw a lot more driving energy from you and I agreed with a lot of your posts. This game you seem to be expending way more energy acting rankled about people nitpicking your words instead of spending that energy looking for wolves.

 

[PippyPony]

This feels like a different thing and does seem like very convenient selective memory, so a point in the wolf column there.

It's really not a different thing. And please explain to me how my memory is conveniently selective in this situation?

 

[Viscernable]

If mkg were throwing that sus on an easier misyeet than cray and mel I’d definitely be voting her now. Looks so much like a wolf who’s struggling to keep up grasping at the first place they can throw sus and appear to offer original wolfhunting thoughts. I’m wondering if wolves might have seen villagers being unsure about mel but reluctant to vote there yet, and they decided to try to push it over the edge. Mainly hesitating here because I’m not confident about Mel and I’m scared of the comfy pockety feeling I’m getting from some of his posts.

 

[Viscernable]

It's really not a different thing. And please explain to me how my memory is conveniently selective in this situation?

I interpreted your post as claiming that it was TMI for sunny to say there were 80% villagers, implying you had forgotten there was an open setup

 

[PippyPony]

Mainly hesitating here because I’m not confident about Mel and I’m scared of the comfy pockety feeling I’m getting from some of his posts.

His pockets have cheese in them. Get out soon unless you enjoy drowning in stale cheese whiz.

 

[Viscernable]

His pockets have cheese in them. Get out soon unless you enjoy drowning in stale cheese whiz.

How are you feeling about Mel?

 

[PippyPony]

I interpreted your post as claiming that it was TMI for sunny to say there were 80% villagers, implying you had forgotten there was an open setup

Nope, not what I was saying at all, and also not how I interpreted the post she made.

It sounded like she said 2/3 of the people voting for the leading wagons were villagers. And I don't know how she would know that particular statistic.

I mean maybe I'm a dummy but it seems strange to me to extrapolate a game-wide breakdown -- and not even the right one (2/3 ≠ 80%, last time I checked) to a specific voting set. How does she know all 3 wolves weren't on the genny vote, for example? Idk it just struck me as kinda weird.

Although to be transparent, Sporty "hmmm" reacting my popcorn emoji also felt weird to me, so. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️