How to Get AWWay with Murder Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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All this time I thought it was an old man. Cannot unsee now.
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[Lupin21]

So, what are theories from the show that would include 24 hour delay mechanic. I mean, jdh and doc had it in true crime so the story could be written nicely. People were put in jail then shivved later. haha

 

[nohika]

So, what are theories from the show that would include 24 hour delay mechanic. I mean, jdh and doc had it in true crime so the story could be written nicely. People were put in jail then shivved later. haha

The only thing I can think of is the show's tendency to flash-forward and flash-back? Reveal events drip by drip, sort of thing. But that doesn't really make sense (that it'd be a 24 hour delay)? I dunno.

 

[Mad Jack]

Dude, I appreciate that you ran your game. I even enjoyed it (although it made my head hurt with complicated stuff) but you make me mad with this crap. Assuming a noob wolfpack because they went after you? That you are so special? Anyone could have tried to wolf kill you, not just noobs. I get that you're pissed they tried to kill you N1, I get pissed when I die D1/N1 all the damn time. That doesn't mean you can just go off on all of us. Personally I hate the fact that veterans tend to get off scott free with lynches even if they have been acting suspicious just because they've played more. I think it's stupid. Everyone has equal rights to lynch or wolf kill everyone else damn it! lol now I've gone off on a completely unrelated rant about something that you probably didn't even mean to begin with 😛

He's actually right though- most older players would put a hard stop to their pack pulling that ****.

 

[WeimMama]

So, what are theories from the show that would include 24 hour delay mechanic. I mean, jdh and doc had it in true crime so the story could be written nicely. People were put in jail then shivved later. haha

The only thing I can think of is the show's tendency to flash-forward and flash-back? Reveal events drip by drip, sort of thing. But that doesn't really make sense (that it'd be a 24 hour delay)? I dunno.

I agree with nohika about the show jumping around. But also, as far as just straight up delayed death.... maybe being pushed over a railing (or whatever the blurb said from last night) and then you're fine but oops you have a brain bleed or internal bleeding that kills you later? Or poisoning could also be a delayed death? Just the first things that come to mind for me. Not sure if its really relevant to the game too much though, the last non-speed game I played everyone read too much into the store line details and they were literally meaningless haha

 

[nohika]

I agree with nohika about the show jumping around. But also, as far as just straight up delayed death.... maybe being pushed over a railing (or whatever the blurb said from last night) and then you're fine but oops you have a brain bleed or internal bleeding that kills you later? Or poisoning could also be a delayed death? Just the first things that come to mind for me. Not sure if its really relevant to the game too much though, the last non-speed game I played everyone read too much into the store line details and they were literally meaningless haha

The being pushed over the rail thing (and delayed death) makes me think of Sam Keating (and now he died)?

 

[LyraGardenia]

I'm also a little annoyed that this means we won't have much discussion about anyone else today, or be able to analyze votes. I'm hoping the delayed death is just a today thing so everyone gets to play a bit or it's going to get old fast. I don't remember anyone on the show having a death like that other than Sam kinda (but that was over the course of a few minutes, not a whole day). I am inclined to believe STL is Meggy though, since the writeup mentioned the person attacked being in a hospital (Meggy's a medical student).

Lynch nohika I guess, but if this doesn't work I'll be pretty peeved with STL.

 

[wallydo]

I'm also a little annoyed that this means we won't have much discussion about anyone else today, or be able to analyze votes. I'm hoping the delayed death is just a today thing so everyone gets to play a bit or it's going to get old fast. I don't remember anyone on the show having a death like that other than Sam kinda (but that was over the course of a few minutes, not a whole day). I am inclined to believe STL is Meggy though, since the writeup mentioned the person attacked being in a hospital (Meggy's a medical student).

Lynch nohika I guess, but if this doesn't work I'll be pretty peeved with STL.

I'll be so peeved and I'll never ever trust STL ever again. But my second game playing WW (and first w/ them), I'll give it a go... unless anything drastic comes out/changes through the day, hopefully we get back to discussing other peoples tomorrow.

 

[PippyPony]

He's actually right though- most older players would put a hard stop to their pack pulling that ****.

Which makes it a potentially good choice for a veteran wolf pack, no? I think it's kind of pointless to debate the reasoning behind the target at this stage -- feels like a tangent.

 

[Trilt]

I'm also a little annoyed that this means we won't have much discussion about anyone else today, or be able to analyze votes. I'm hoping the delayed death is just a today thing so everyone gets to play a bit or it's going to get old fast. I don't remember anyone on the show having a death like that other than Sam kinda (but that was over the course of a few minutes, not a whole day). I am inclined to believe STL is Meggy though, since the writeup mentioned the person attacked being in a hospital (Meggy's a medical student).

Lynch nohika I guess, but if this doesn't work I'll be pretty peeved with STL.

This feels kinda forced, like when we were wolves in LK. Lemme look through some of your villager posts though after work...

and I'll never ever trust STL ever again.

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[LetItSnow]

He's actually right though- most older players would put a hard stop to their pack pulling that ****.

Eh. Just a few games ago I got killed early in the game by wolves that included very experienced players (including, I think, STL?).

Veteran wolves will kill veteran players early just as much as new players.

And additionally, the rant is kinda all over the place. She's talking first about veteran players killing other veteran players early .... then she's talking about veterans not getting lynched early .... it's like it's one over-heated rant about how veterans never die early (which isn't true) compared to new players for all the reasons.

To my ears - as a veteran who has gotten killed pretty quickly twice recently - it came off as pretty tone-deaf.

 

[LetItSnow]

(Of course, tone deaf kinda defines STL, on the other hand....) ;-)

 

[genny]

You might be onto something, quotes are "weird".

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I think maybe it came across as sketchy because I posted half my thought due to interruption. I was going to follow up that it's worth pursuing anyway since 1) we see if STL is being truthful, and 2) we briefly clear Nohika.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

That is correct. And this is the only time I can use this ability, as my role made it seem like the person I revived comes back vanilla. So I would lose this ability if it is not used today.

Do you know your protection will even work though you are dying? If you had been killed right away, that protection wouldn't work on nohika. so I just want to double check before we lynch a potential villager thinking she'll be protected and then she isn't.

(Also why exactly would they target me? I made it to the end of the last game by pretty much sheer luck. So much luck. I am not a good end-game villager.)

I would assume if the wolves are choosing a random to be killed N1 it would be kind to kill someone who got to play most all the last game.

I'm a little confused about why you would straight up role reveal and ability reveal. Are you just worried about getting killed next because you'll be a cleared villager? Because I'm pretty sure you're toast anyways, and if you weren't night killed soon after being publicly seered, then I'd probably lynch you anyways for not dying. I would think any wolf pack in their right mind would try to remove a cleared villager sooner rather than later, regardless of ability.

She never really answered your question..

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

wally is setting off my feels, but I haven't decided if it's village overexcited noobness or trying-too-hard-to-sound-like-a-village wolf.

 

[SARdoghandler]

This 24 hour delay is bothering me as well, does anyone have any frame of reference for why this happened? Any example of when it's happened before? STL claims it's not a part of his ability(ies). I was theorizing that as a first day kill, without a lynch votes even maybe there's a 24 hour delay to make sure everyone can play a little? Anybody have any ideas?

Haven't there been games in the past that involved some sort of injury prior to death mechanism? Obviously with n=1 we're going to have to wait and see if it happens again, but could that be a possibility?

 

[genny]

wally is setting off my feels, but I haven't decided if it's village overexcited noobness or trying-too-hard-to-sound-like-a-village wolf.

Why not both?

I'm more concerned about people who drop a lynch vote and peace out. Seems way too easy for a wolf to get away with that on this lynch.

 

[Lupin21]

Why not both?

I'm more concerned about people who drop a lynch vote and peace out. Seems way too easy for a wolf to get away with that on this lynch.

Because one cannot be both a villager and a wolf at the same time?

 

[Mad Jack]

Eh. Just a few games ago I got killed early in the game by wolves that included very experienced players (including, I think, STL?).

Veteran wolves will kill veteran players early just as much as new players.

And additionally, the rant is kinda all over the place. She's talking first about veteran players killing other veteran players early .... then she's talking about veterans not getting lynched early .... it's like it's one over-heated rant about how veterans never die early (which isn't true) compared to new players for all the reasons.

To my ears - as a veteran who has gotten killed pretty quickly twice recently - it came off as pretty tone-deaf.

Oh, vets will kill vets. But killing a guy immediately after running a game is cold.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I'm more concerned about people who drop a lynch vote and peace out. Seems way too easy for a wolf to get away with that on this lynch.

Oh I'm concerned about those people too. But imo probably not all the wolves are just peacing this lynch.

 

[Jebb]

So I'm a little confused by STL's revive ability. I know he said he can use his revive whenever, but it seems weird to me to be able to use an ability after you're dead. Or is this not actually uncommon? (I'm not saying he's lying I'm just confused by the game mechanic.)

 

[Trilt]

Oh I'm concerned about those people too. But imo probably not all the wolves are just peacing this lynch.

well duh, absolutes are silly. But it is very easy to hide in "oh gotta test the info lynch nohika" - looking back at these players' statements today will yield nothing,which is to the benefit of scum.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Lynch coopah

I am sure the nohika thing is right, but coopah's super sensitive temper tantrum just seems way off. STL hardly said much. Don't need that crap.

And ps, thanks for blocking me last night whomever. Try blocking yourself instead...let the mods try to figure out that conundrum.

 

[nohika]

So I'm a little confused by STL's revive ability. I know he said he can use his revive whenever, but it seems weird to me to be able to use an ability after you're dead. Or is this not actually uncommon? (I'm not saying he's lying I'm just confused by the game mechanic.)

I've never heard of someone reviving themselves, but I don't know if it's been used in other games?

 

[StartingoverVet]

Fwiw... i am just assuming nohika is village and this lynch is a waste of time...although at least we can all have one player to trust for a night.

 

[Karabiner13]

This feels kinda forced, like when we were wolves in LK. Lemme look through some of your villager posts though after work...

I got a similar feel on reading this but wasn't sure if it was wolf Lyra or normal village Lyra.

Not sure what I think about the delayed death. Interesting mechanic if it's just for day 1. I don't know enough of the show to know how it fits in

Not liking that nohika wasn't notified of protection nor felt the need to role and ability reveal. Also confused by STL being able to revive himself

 

[Animal Midwife]

I've never heard of someone reviving themselves, but I don't know if it's been used in other games?

I haven't actually seen it in play before, but I remember after a previous game ended that a player found out they could've revived themselves. Facepalming ensued.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Could be all delayed deaths. Nice mechanic. Allows people to talk before they die. Last words kind of thing.


One of my favorite mechanics is something this from Monty python.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Not liking that nohika wasn't notified of protection nor felt the need to role and ability reveal. Also confused by STL being able to revive himself

I think you kmisunderstand what has happened/is happening, but I don't have time to correct you.

 

[genny]

Because one cannot be both a villager and a wolf at the same time?

Haha, read too fast and missed the first "village" Snowy typed. Thought you were debating noobness vs wolfiness.

 

[SARdoghandler]

I haven't actually seen it in play before, but I remember after a previous game ended that a player found out they could've revived themselves. Facepalming ensued.

Was just about to post that I remember this too. Don't remember the game though. It was a somewhat recent one.

 

[Lupin21]

Haha, read too fast and missed the first "village" you typed. Thought you were debating noobness vs wolfiness.

Ahhhh!!! There's more quotations!! lol

 

[Karabiner13]

I think you kmisunderstand what has happened/is happening, but I don't have time to correct you.

I quite possibly did or I just didn't make my thoughts clear. Trying to post between appointments as I didn't get a lunch.

I know nohika is being put up so probably felt pressure but I would have liked to see a defense before a role/ability reveal (might just be me).

STL protected nohika but nohika wasn't notified. Could just be a mod thing but I don't like it. Don't think STL would completely make that up but maybe.

I haven't seen someone able to revive themselves so that is why I don't know about that. But I haven't played that many games and it doesn't seem common so that could just be it

 

[Coopah]

Lynch coopah

I am sure the nohika thing is right, but coopah's super sensitive temper tantrum just seems way off. STL hardly said much. Don't need that crap.

And ps, thanks for blocking me last night whomever. Try blocking yourself instead...let the mods try to figure out that conundrum.

STL hardly said much? lol We've have a difference of opinions before that's all. Go for it though, most people do. I've been waiting for the D1 Coopah vote, kinda surprised it's not Mr. Coopah just for funsies.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I know nohika is being put up so probably felt pressure but I would have liked to see a defense before a role/ability reveal (might just be me)

Why would nohika feel pressure? I thought the point of this was to clear her. Am I missing something?

 

[Karabiner13]

Why would nohika feel pressure? I thought the point of this was to clear her. Am I missing something?

If anyone is missing something it's probably me and some marbles. I should just stop posting while distracted. I apparently don't do so well.

Yup, looks like this is a way to clear nohika

 

[LetItSnow]

Oh, vets will kill vets. But killing a guy immediately after running a game is cold.

Yeah. I get that. But the rant was allllll over the place about veterans dying early, not just the point STL made.

It was ... too much overreaction.

Thus, sketchy.

 

[LetItSnow]

So I'm a little confused by STL's revive ability. I know he said he can use his revive whenever, but it seems weird to me to be able to use an ability after you're dead. Or is this not actually uncommon? (I'm not saying he's lying I'm just confused by the game mechanic.)

Well, you're not dead until you're dead, and there's a difference between dying and dead.

So I don't think it's weird he could still use his ability.

 

[LetItSnow]

Lynch coopah

I am sure the nohika thing is right, but coopah's super sensitive temper tantrum just seems way off. STL hardly said much. Don't need that crap.

And ps, thanks for blocking me last night whomever. Try blocking yourself instead...let the mods try to figure out that conundrum.

Regarding line 1: I agree completely.

Regarding line 2: Why is it that the first choice of blocking on N1 is <ALWAYS> you, me, or DocE? I mean .... Coopah's rant about how veteran's don't die early (or rather, about how n00bs always do) seems especially tone-deaf given how things like blocking are almost ALWAYS used against us. Or seer'ing, which SUCKS when you're a veteran wolf.

Grumble. Veterans have their own difficulties, too.

 

[LetItSnow]

I dunno. The more I read SOV's posts the more I agree.

unlynch nohika

lynch lyra because I agree with whoever said her post seemed sketchy.

 

[Mad Jack]

Yeah. I get that. But the rant was allllll over the place about veterans dying early, not just the point STL made.

It was ... too much overreaction.

Thus, sketchy.

I can agree with that. It was a bit... Overblown. I'd expect more of a "Really guys? After I modded for you? Lame."

 

[genny]

Why would nohika feel pressure? I thought the point of this was to clear her. Am I missing something?

She must have felt some pressure, since she role revealed. I'm not really sure why. I don't think just giving out a role name and vague ability would make people switch off her when they don't really believe she's going to die anyway.

 

[Lupin21]

I can agree with that. It was a bit... Overblown. I'd expect more of a "Really guys? After I modded for you? Lame."

They're talking about coop's rant, not STL's I believe.

 

[finnickthedog]

Official The-Mods-are-Winning Lynch Tally

nohika (15) - STL, Coop, Sandy, wally, Farmdog, Mr. Coop, FB, Trippy, Kara, bj, ny, MJ, Weim, Lyra
Coopah (1) - SOV
Lyra (1) - LIS

17/26
Deadline 8 PM EDT ~4 hrs

 

[DVMDream]

People actually remember who modded the last game? Either I have a ****ty memory or more important things to remember.

 

[Mad Jack]

They're talking about coop's rant, not STL's I believe.

Ah, yeah, that was wayyyyy over the top.

 

[wallydo]

Just to point out, if STL is wrong tonight, that is a certain death to come the following night.

And Coopah, you were a little over the top in your rant perhaps but I also don't understand the WW frustrations you've been through like others. Lol.

 

[Caiter92]

Thought about it and

****lynch nohika****

Seems too elaborate of a lie even for STL for day 1, so I figure it's a way to clear Nohika and test out if STL is lying

 

[PrincessButterCup]

My eyes are still super dilated from ym exam, but I want to get some thoughts out in case I'm not home before lynch closes. Sorry if I misread anyone's comments - I have tosit way back from the screen to see.

The being pushed over the rail thing (and delayed death) makes me think of Sam Keating (and now he died)?

For those that don't know, Sam Keating didn't die from being thrown over the stairs (though it's possible those injuries could have eventually caused death) but from being hit in the head with a statue. He fell, looked dead, then got up again and tried to attack Rebecca. Wes used a trophy to hit Sam in the head, and that's what ultimately killed him.

Lynch coopah

I am sure the nohika thing is right, but coopah's super sensitive temper tantrum just seems way off. STL hardly said much. Don't need that crap.

And ps, thanks for blocking me last night whomever. Try blocking yourself instead...let the mods try to figure out that conundrum.

I read Coop's rant as more village than wolf. I don't see Coop drawing that attentiont o herself if she was involved in picking STL as a target. Totally WIFOM, but it reads liek village Coop to me.

Fwiw... i am just assuming nohika is village and this lynch is a waste of time...although at least we can all have one player to trust for a night.

The funny thing is that we clear Nohika today, but that's all it's good for - right now. She could be converted, there could be some behind teh scenes working we don't know about. It does feel a little like a wwaste. Sure, it's nice info to have, but it doesn't do a whole lot in the long run.

 

[cheathac]

LYNCH NOHIKA. Seems like a pretty safe bet for a Day 1 lynch because I think we get a wolf out of it either way. If nohika turns out to be village then STL surely is a wolf. And if nohika is a wolf then yay villagers! Really doubt STL would lie this hard on day 1.