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Melchizedek said:
okay I was just confused because my initial reaction was that you were trying to lead me somewhere, but if you were asking just to better inform yourself I can get behind that.

Yes, it can be wolfy if a person has a lot of village leans immediately on D1, but you have to take things into context. Are they commenting on players they PM with a lot; on players they are easily pocketed by; on players they don't usually interact with; on players they are always out for blood on; or on players they have a good/bad record?

As for why people are saying they're comfortable/not concerned with you and AM.
AM is pretty easily readable once you learn her logic. If I can look at who she's questioning and can predict what her next question is there's a good chance she's village. If she drops her line of questioning prematurely or doesn't respond to something in her usual way she's a wolf. I think it was pokemon but I put out a joke vote for the first time ever and she didn't call me out on it like I expected her to. I knew right then she was a wolf.
IDK why people are saying they're okay with you, thats on them.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that Kara saying she felt okay about you and AM was an NAI reflection on her. I said it was an NAI reflection on you and AM. Unless she gives me reasons why she has those feelings on you both, I don't have a foothold to dissect out her intentions or whether they are true feelings or backed by actual knowledge of your both's alignments. If I can't glean information from it, its NAI to me and not worth my time analyzing.
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Also about the bolded. so you think you can read AM pretty well? But she can't read you well?(based on last game, or was that a fluke?)
 
Like miranda, I should probably go to bed. but first
Lynch miranda
 
vetmedhead said:
Thanks mods for reminding me of the horrifying origin story of Sleipnir. Did Loki still visit him at the barn I wonder? :thinking:

@PippyPony @SportPonies
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Sleipnir is technically Loki's son, no? At least, that is the version I know. So I guess it depends on how much trickster gods like being barn rats
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PippyPony said:
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Sleipnir is technically Loki's son, no? At least, that is the version I know.
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I mean, Loki turned into a mare so he could have sex with a builder's work horse so the builder would be late on his work and the Norse gods wouldn't have to pay him for the work or something... and he got pregnant and had Sleipnir

Honestly Loki mythology is wild all around haha
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
You mean her logic thinking Mel was village and providing no rationale for her thoughts? Yeah, I found that pretty frustrating because I was reading him as wolf
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Mmmmk I’m just gonna leave the topic alone, Bc you’re doing that thing where you come off a smidge cocky/mixed with a tone that just bothers me, whether you’re trying to be that way or not. And I’d rather it not color whether I read you village or wolf.
 
Melchizedek said:
Unlynch Statistics
Lynch Kara

I think the killer vote is bad, and side-eyeing lupin for blowing KL's "reason" for voting out of proportion. But I know that people are not gonna want to lynch her for sentimentality.

But Mel, why Kara?


These are just bad, bad questions designed to look like good wolf hunting.

Then the push on BJ was her making a mountain out of a mole-hill and I'm surprised it even gained traction. She said she didn't like statistics, and then made a post about statistics. So she must be a wolf? Explain to me how that tracks.

It feels like she picked someone to lynch and then tried to keep them talking to justify her lynch vote and get others to vote there. The same tactic she used to try to get me lynched in CO before I was converted.

So Bj started picking up votes and is now a viable lynch candidate. Where are you @Karabiner13 why aren't you pushing her lynch if you really think she's a wolf?

Nah I think kara's manufacturing sketch.
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for once I'm completely behind Cheezit, and he feels extremely village
 
Gwenevre said:
lynch Cray
Haven't seen her much, or at least haven't seen her word vomit yet
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Sporty went through and fixed my like-to-post values. I am trying a new method of taking handwritten notes to keep track of things and not just PbPa by hitting the reply button to posts.

So, everyone do me a favour and help me average a like per post, if you want to hear more from me. Otherwise for once in my life I am watching # post quantity.

Lastly, how did you miss my giant post on statistical mechanics???

Lastly again, I think we could actually come to a general understanding of statistics and WW if we tried, and AM was not helping. I could write more, but I'm tired.
 
SkiOtter said:
okay but your vote was still at exactly 9 pm est and likely would not have counted anyway. why bother doing a throw away vote at that point. just dont vote one day.
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strongly disagree, last game I not only wrote the essay on the topic, but I also proved it
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Why wouldn't she try and self prez sooner than 3 minutes until the end of the Lynch?

and yeah she made the tie and was in the tie so the RNG could've just been in her favor but idk
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because sometimes surprising people last minute when they may not see you coming or be able to compensate, can do a better job of your vote actually ending up with the desired effect of self preservation

I don't know that this is what she did or why, but as moves go it's NAI to me, wolves and villagers alike will pull a fast one for self prez, we all wanna live yo
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
That is it? You are really pushing it to call it "asking people to join you"
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OK, thank you, I was flowing with AM, but this idea that she was trying to get people on WM... like, why can't I recall her making this impassioned plea that we forgo all other votes and vote WM for being quiet?

Because she was too busy being cryptic.

However, she's made a strong statement that almost sounds like... lying. I can't tell when you pressure AM enough to just come clean with her thoughts when she's a villager (seems that it happens so rarely), but I will say that it feels like she's actually more forthcoming as a wolf.

So is her earlier crypticness sign of villager AM? No, I'll say that's negated by this follow up post, like where AM finally sees fit to say something of substance, and it comes off as an outright lie.
 
dolphin106258 said:
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I will lynch the next person to offer up quotes and NOTHING of their own writing to go along with it. Not a mind reader. The chances that you'll put together two quotes and that what you make of them and what I make of them being the same, is basically zero and basically why this game exists where we can comment on what other people say to problem solve.

I could list why doing this is actually legitimately wolfy in so many ways, and not just lazy villaging.
 
I am seriously wondering if there was some way the wolves sniffed out Barkely the village vig. Because otherwise that is just really great luck for them, and big suck for us. I wonder what wolfy abilities you usually see to balance out a vig, I can't recall.

Who was his other PM partner?

Also now we have the issue of the killerleaf ressurection.

I trust Mel. I spoke up for Kara earlier, but I'm side eyeing her.

Seriously concerned about Lupin.

AM & Moose, I have no idea except they are making me side eye. Cubs has a post besides the emoticon that made me squint.

Need to look at who was on killerleaf and BJ again, because those were lynches I did not love.

Not sure my new "method" is going to work in a game this huge, wanted to get out my current thoughts.
 
SportPonies said:
Day 1

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Unquenchable. Competitive thirst seeped into the air like steam from the hide of a thoroughbred after a 5 AM breeze. Eager hooves pawed at their stall doors, sharp clops echoing through the stable as steel shoe met concrete below. Among them, no two were quite the same. Between them, they were unified by desire to win. Fame and fortune came easier to some, while others struggled to even make a name for themselves locally. Green horses had arrived recently, joining the professional competitors in the barn... and a few schoolmasters had even begun working the ring again. Some found themselves more suited to discipline and others... destruction.

Head to head, hoof to hoof... friendly competition would rise to a pinnacle before it was clear that ill will ran amok. There was someones.... somethings?.... that wanted all the glory for themselves.

Through the day, horses kept finding themselves tripping up. A lost shoe here, a dropped pole there. It was unusual for a group of individuals that were usually so polished. Unfortunately for one, a familiar routine went awry today. A stunning white steed raced up an embankment, his dearest masked crusader seated safely in the saddle. Just as he had done hundreds of times before, the stallion reared up onto his hind legs, pawing to the sky above.

"Hi ho, Silver!" echoed across the fields... and just like that, the ground beneath began to crumble. Apparently the embankment had taken all it could after 86 years. The horse dropped to all fours and scrambled backwards, but it was too late. No more would they stop villainous deeds. They were last seen sliding down among the dirt, the valley below their final resting place.



Dead is @killerleaf - Silver, Night Cancel
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23. @killerleaf - Silver, night cancel

It is now Night 1. Please get in your night actions ASAP so we can maybe close early.​
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Totally not game related, but I went to bed well before this was posted, and I had a dream last night that I had a grey gelding named Silver that lived in my basement.

Now to catch up on about 5 pages.....
 
Crayola227 said:
I am seriously wondering if there was some way the wolves sniffed out Barkely the village vig. Because otherwise that is just really great luck for them, and big suck for us. I wonder what wolfy abilities you usually see to balance out a vig, I can't recall.

Who was his other PM partner?

Also now we have the issue of the killerleaf ressurection.

I trust Mel. I spoke up for Kara earlier, but I'm side eyeing her.

Seriously concerned about Lupin.

AM & Moose, I have no idea except they are making me side eye. Cubs has a post besides the emoticon that made me squint.

Need to look at who was on killerleaf and BJ again, because those were lynches I did not love.

Not sure my new "method" is going to work in a game this huge, wanted to get out my current thoughts.
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This doesn't sound like village Cray

Lynch Cray
 
Stagg737 said:
When do I ever actually trust anyone? Normally I trust you just as much as everyone else, this game you're giving me reasons to trust you less than most others. I'm legitimately trying not to tunnel on you. You're not making it easy.
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You said before that you start out by having me in your wolf leans. Not doing that anymore?
 
good morning!! just checking in. I'm going to a craft show this morning and will be a tad busy this afternoon, but I've more or less kept up and will have some thoughts written out when I get back.
 
Crayola227 said:
I am seriously wondering if there was some way the wolves sniffed out Barkely the village vig. Because otherwise that is just really great luck for them, and big suck for us. I wonder what wolfy abilities you usually see to balance out a vig, I can't recall.

Who was his other PM partner?

Also now we have the issue of the killerleaf ressurection.

I trust Mel. I spoke up for Kara earlier, but I'm side eyeing her.

Seriously concerned about Lupin.

AM & Moose, I have no idea except they are making me side eye. Cubs has a post besides the emoticon that made me squint.

Need to look at who was on killerleaf and BJ again, because those were lynches I did not love.

Not sure my new "method" is going to work in a game this huge, wanted to get out my current thoughts.
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What do you think on people outside the main discussion?
 
Lynch Gwen

because her votes seemed at odd with what was happening in the thread.
 
Unofficial Day 2 Lynch Tally
MOOSE (1) - zigzag
Cray (1) - Coffee?
Gwen (1) - AM

3/28
lynch close in ~13 hours
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Also about the bolded. so you think you can read AM pretty well? But she can't read you well?(based on last game, or was that a fluke?)
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In recent memory AM was wolf twice, I caught her once, and converted her the other time. I can't say I read her well without having more chances to test my catching her when she is a wolf. Even when she is village, I start with a village read on her and then she does something that triggers my paranoia at some point.

I'll let her speak to the second part of your question.

WildZoo said:
Is this a sign of the apocalypse?
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My jaw dropped too.
 
Melchizedek said:
I'll let her speak to the second part of your question.
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Dammit thought I'd get an outside viewpoint.

ziggyandjazzy said:
Also about the bolded. so you think you can read AM pretty well? But she can't read you well?(based on last game, or was that a fluke?)
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I feel like I can read Mel pretty well or at the very least don't find most of his moves to be sketchy like others say. I don't recall ever mislynching outside of the first game I played with him.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I feel like I can read Mel pretty well or at the very least don't find most of his moves to be sketchy like others say. I don't recall ever mislynching outside of the first game I played with him.
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So your Mel reading card is like my AM reading card :thinking:
 
Crayola227 said:
I am seriously wondering if there was some way the wolves sniffed out Barkely the village vig. Because otherwise that is just really great luck for them, and big suck for us. I wonder what wolfy abilities you usually see to balance out a vig, I can't recall.

Who was his other PM partner?

Also now we have the issue of the killerleaf ressurection.

I trust Mel. I spoke up for Kara earlier, but I'm side eyeing her.

Seriously concerned about Lupin.

AM & Moose, I have no idea except they are making me side eye. Cubs has a post besides the emoticon that made me squint.

Need to look at who was on killerleaf and BJ again, because those were lynches I did not love.

Not sure my new "method" is going to work in a game this huge, wanted to get out my current thoughts.
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Barks uses she pronouns I believe
 

Crayola227 said:
I will lynch the next person to offer up quotes and NOTHING of their own writing to go along with it. Not a mind reader. The chances that you'll put together two quotes and that what you make of them and what I make of them being the same, is basically zero and basically why this game exists where we can comment on what other people say to problem solve.

I could list why doing this is actually legitimately wolfy in so many ways, and not just lazy villaging.
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Why get mad at dolphin for doing this but not AM, who literally did it a couple posts above her.

I believe dolphin was responding to me, and it did help me. I said I didn't see anyone calling it wolfy and she quoted where someone had called it wolfy. It made perfect sense to me. I missed where someone said something and she helped me see it. Don't see why she needed to add commentary to that or why you are getting mad about it if you can't understand what was going on.
 
dolphin106258 said:
Mmmmk I’m just gonna leave the topic alone, Bc you’re doing that thing where you come off a smidge cocky/mixed with a tone that just bothers me, whether you’re trying to be that way or not. And I’d rather it not color whether I read you village or wolf.
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Wait now I'm getting told I'm cocky :heckyeah: this is new

(I feel like I am allowed to be happy about actually helping catch wolves last game tho)
 
Crayola227 said:
because sometimes surprising people last minute when they may not see you coming or be able to compensate, can do a better job of your vote actually ending up with the desired effect of self preservation

I don't know that this is what she did or why, but as moves go it's NAI to me, wolves and villagers alike will pull a fast one for self prez, we all wanna live yo
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It's not NAI to me. I consider her one of my top candidates for today
 
Crayola227 said:
still on page 4 of reread... not liking everyone going for KL, feels like this wagon is filled with people who far from trying to overjustify their votes, are looking for any angle to jump on someone

common WW logic is that wolves will feel the need to overjustify the RVS votes, but at the same time, we all know this, and the compensatory mechanism is to look for anything to jump on, or better yet, let a villager propose what seems like a decent justification for their own vote, and then second that, the whole result being that they take the brunt of responsibility for the justification, and then if they die it won't look like it was your idea

so I look for signs of either in wolf-hunting D1
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-I mentioned this earlier with Skimble. A wolf knows who is village or not and is much more easily able to defend players who are up for lynch because duh they know how the will flip.
-Talks about filled with people trying to overjustify their vote yet also went on Lupin for NOT justifying vote

Crayola227 said:
I will point out, that the last time she was like this, I was a wolf, she was a villager, and I NK her D1 for just this kind of play. So not sure I buy this play from Kara as anything outside the norm, but if she is a villager right now, I can exactly see how she might be making wolves nervous. I think she's a bit more pointed this time. So not sure if this represents a villager menage a trois of suspicion, or if there's a wolf amongst you 3. I'm guessing the latter, will keep my eyes on you.
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Thinks a wolf of these 3. Doesn't think anything out of norm w/ Kara

Crayola227 said:
this feels obtuse in an effort to throw shade on Snowy about her not finding KL's justification wolfy because "noobs overjustify RNG votes all the time" (not a direct perfect quote)

I agree with Snowy, don't see where AM is getting that Snowy is referring to Lupin or SAR. Seems sort of weird.
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Crayola227 said:
love the use of the word "wolved" over wolfed, lol, it sounds more srs bsns

also, this bit of back and forth between you and Mel feels... pockety?
and it feels like a lot of people have gotten on KL's case, but then I see moose is unlynching math for crying out loud

was Mel's NPC vote before these jokey votes for math or stats, or after?
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A Nothing comment on Moose. What was the point of mentioning that for Mel?

Crayola227 said:
for once I'm completely behind Cheezit, and he feels extremely village
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WHAT? Didn't she already say she thought there was a wolf between Moose/Mel/Kara and that Kara seemed within her norm... but Mel says she ISN'T in her norm.... how can she both simutaneously think Mel could be wolf and extremely village, and agree with him but simutaneously disagree with him?

Crayola227 said:
OK, thank you, I was flowing with AM, but this idea that she was trying to get people on WM... like, why can't I recall her making this impassioned plea that we forgo all other votes and vote WM for being quiet?

Because she was too busy being cryptic.

However, she's made a strong statement that almost sounds like... lying. I can't tell when you pressure AM enough to just come clean with her thoughts when she's a villager (seems that it happens so rarely), but I will say that it feels like she's actually more forthcoming as a wolf.

So is her earlier crypticness sign of villager AM? No, I'll say that's negated by this follow up post, like where AM finally sees fit to say something of substance, and it comes off as an outright lie.
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Crayola227 said:
I am seriously wondering if there was some way the wolves sniffed out Barkely the village vig. Because otherwise that is just really great luck for them, and big suck for us. I wonder what wolfy abilities you usually see to balance out a vig, I can't recall.

Who was his other PM partner?

Also now we have the issue of the killerleaf ressurection.

I trust Mel. I spoke up for Kara earlier, but I'm side eyeing her.

Seriously concerned about Lupin.

AM & Moose, I have no idea except they are making me side eye. Cubs has a post besides the emoticon that made me squint.

Need to look at who was on killerleaf and BJ again, because those were lynches I did not love.

Not sure my new "method" is going to work in a game this huge, wanted to get out my current thoughts.
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I got bored of analyzing because I feel like the other analyses are pretty good stand alone.

I will mention the "issue of killerleaf ressurection" I don't consider an issue. Also think she has been playing long enough to know there is no way for the wolves to have "sniffed out" barkley as the vig by N1 unless Barkley did relay to PM partner, but it seems way more likely that it was just a lucky hit and I would definitely not immediately think "PM partner"
 
Animal Midwife said:
@muttmanager What do you think now?
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Working out my thoughts now, there are a lot of people I want to ISO but I may not have time to do

Hypothetically, Would you have stayed on Weim if the lynch picked up? Say she was tied for lead with killer not bryndi - what would have been your next move.
 
bryndiana.jones said:
Why cray over all the other peeps you mentioned yesterday?
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I got what I wanted from genny, SAR was a joke vote, I'm not ready to tunnel on Skimble yet, and I still have the same philosophy towards Moose.

edit: Plus the Cray posts came late and they just really don't look right
 
muttmanager said:
Working out my thoughts now, there are a lot of people I want to ISO but I may not have time to do

Hypothetically, Would you have stayed on Weim if the lynch picked up? Say she was tied for lead with killer not bryndi - what would have been your next move.
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If killer was the counter, I would've for sure stayed.
 
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