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Sorry I poofed yesterday, guys. I was lurking to some extent but also dealing with a multi-day migraine that likes to start flaring up at about 5 in the evening.

I know there were a few questions directed at me so I'm going to go catch up, update my spreadsheet, and answer those as I go
 
If not kara, who's next?
How do you feel about Cray & AM?

Lupin keeps creeping up more and more on my sketch list for blowing things out of proportion with multiple players, and this eagerness for ties. Probably would lynch here if not for Kara.

Currently waiting on Snowy and Capri to get back to me about their tin-foil theories.

Waiting for a response from @SARdoghandler on how she feels about coffee.

ETA: Ugh ninja'd.
 
The frustrating thing for me in trying to learn this game is over and over people say "well you just have to form your own meta, go with you gut, do you what you think is best with the info you have, Take chances, youre going to be wrong a lot." And then I say ok well Im going to do this, and then right away someone will say "oh, well no, you cant do that. Thats way too sketchy." So lets say I just hadnt voted D1...maybe people would have thought that was super sketch and lynched me. But I could have at least explained my reasoning, flipped village, and then people would have realized ok, in this instance what cubs did wasnt actually sketchy, and then maybe remember the next time I made that same decision. Instead, I felt like I had to do something to avoid the sketch reads that I was told would happen, and end up falling under suspicion by kara anyway the next day. I respect all the people that have been playing this game forever, like that huge Cray post above, so i DO try to listen to every piece of advice thats given. But if everything in this game leads to sketch points in one way or another, why not just make a move despite it possibly looking bad. Worst case Im eliminated and start over next game. And whatever I did and how people react to it may actually give people reads on others and how they reacted to the play I made.

I am not Ski or Kara nor do I have to necessarily agree with them. I heavily support the bolded. When I point out sketchy behavior to noobs, it's not always because I want to lynch them. Sometimes I'm just trying to save you from the troubles I went through when no one would tell me why they thought my noobish actions were odd/wolfy but mass bandwagoned me anyway. Always vote. I don't care what anyone else thinks. It's always anti-village to hold your regardless of the situation. Feel free to vote early, question others and move where your gut tells you. I don't like the late voting.
 
I feel that I am still trying to find my style. 🙂 For the most part, I like to read thru things, and think about them. but then I get accused of not talking enough. It gets a little frustrating!
 
Okay but where do you think they voted specifically in this game. On one of the 4 wagons, off one of the 4 wagons, do you think they instigated the tie and then villagers kept it going, other way around?
I'm trying to get some analysis out of you because that comment you made was very shallow and easy to make. I want to see follow up thought process here.

@capri1722 same questions for you too
In general, no I don't think the wolves instigated a tie (at least not intentionally). There are plenty of villagers around to do their work for them. Are they all on the same wagon? Hell no, that's bad wolf play. Most likely they were spread out among the candidates, some on the main wagons, some off, I'd say max of 2 on any one wagon.
Caveat: This post is made based on memory and not going back to look at timing and who voted for whom when.
 
at this point in time, in my beady little brain:
AM and Lupin are tied for the role of Chaos--mostly for how they seem to just be stirring the pot.
Everybody else I have as "I have no freaking clue" will have to think and go back and look at a couple of things.
 
at this point in time, in my beady little brain:
AM and Lupin are tied for the role of Chaos--mostly for how they seem to just be stirring the pot.
Everybody else I have as "I have no freaking clue" will have to think and go back and look at a couple of things.
I'm always a pot stirrer. NAI for me. 🙂
 
Anyone seen the unicorn lately? Must be off having a good ol' time somewhere.

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No, because they weren't on my wolf leans anyway. If I reevaluate over village or neutral leans flipping village, I'm not playing right.
So you dont reevaluate living players interactions with people that were night killed?
Im not judging your play, do you, I can usually see where you're going with your votes and you're sketching me out this game.
 
Day 1 Lynch Tally
Lupin () -
Mel (1) - Cray
Kara (3) - Mel, dolphin, Stagg
Weim (1) - AM
Cray (1) - Gwen
Capri (2) - skim, Dubz
Dina () -
SAR () -
Coffee? (3) - shelter, MJ, Ski
Zigjazz (1) - killer
AM () -
killer (5) - SAR, mutts, cubs, Dina, Bryndi
Shelter () -
Bryndi (5) - Karabeans, meats, snowy, Lupes, coffee
Miranda (3) - ziggy, barks, genny
genny () -
Dolphin (1) - Miranda
gwen (1) - capri

27/29 voting
Missing: Weim, MSU

Day 2 Lynch Tally
MOOSE (6)
- zigzag, SAR, genny, meats, lupin, cray
Cray () -
Gwen (1) - AM
capri (2) - Dubz, MJ
MSU (2) - bryndi, capri
bryndi (1) - Weim
Kara (5) - Cubs, MOOSE, Mel, mutts, stagg
Coffee (1) - Ski
SAR (1) - killer
Lupin (1) - Dina
dubz (1) - Snowy
Stagg (2) - dolph, skim
AM (1) - coffee

24/28 voting
Missing: MSU, Gwen, shelter, Kara
 
So you dont reevaluate living players interactions with people that were night killed?
Im not judging your play, do you, I can usually see where you're going with your votes and you're sketching me out this game.

No. Not if I was already correctly reading them.
 
Don't think I gave my reasons (I'll check if I did), but this Moose feels like Colorado Moose. Same with Kara and they were finding each other sketch which is why I was fine with either of them getting lynched yesterday. I was also getting pocket-y vibes from Moose in PM, which I don't like.
Who are you looking at today in light of moose flipping village?
 
Unofficial Day 3 Lynch Tally
Kara (2)
- Stagg, Mel
capri (1) - WZ
Gwen (1) - AM

4/24
lynch close in ~10 hours
 
So you're saying this but then saying you don't think she's wolfy later? Seems like you're hedging as someone else pointed out. What are your actual thoughts on Kara? Wolfy or village lean for you? (Or neutral?)?

That quote was saying I don't think it's wolfy that she didn't say anything in pm. And it would be wolfier if she had.

If people could stop saying I'm hedging for every thing I say that they misunderstand that would be great 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

How many cycles in a row would you do this if every day your village reads we're tied up on the block?

Eh I don't do it a lot. And I don't suggest doing it a lot - I agree with you that its better to push your sketch reads then keep purposely lynching villagers. But it was just an in general comment that I saw how mutts logic made sense.
 
Unlynch Kara
Lynch Paws


For clearly lurking
 
I broke the first tie over an hour before lynch. Dina cast a killer vote after I did to give her 5. Ski threw down a coffee vote. Lupes then created a new 3-way tie by pulling off killer and going to bryndi. Coffee and bry then came in with self prez votes which created the final killer-bryndi tie. There was plenty of action after my vote, so to imply that I had some sketch form of reasoning on my killer vote is inaccurate.

What actually happened was that I didnt even want to vote D1, because I had no solid leads. But am told thats too sketchy to not vote, or to vote too late. So I picked a player I thought was pretty village (Zig) and cast a vote for someone who was trying to lynch her. That was my best read at the time.

And then this happens just a few minutes later:





The frustrating thing for me in trying to learn this game is over and over people say "well you just have to form your own meta, go with you gut, do you what you think is best with the info you have, Take chances, youre going to be wrong a lot." And then I say ok well Im going to do this, and then right away someone will say "oh, well no, you cant do that. Thats way too sketchy." So lets say I just hadnt voted D1...maybe people would have thought that was super sketch and lynched me. But I could have at least explained my reasoning, flipped village, and then people would have realized ok, in this instance what cubs did wasnt actually sketchy, and then maybe remember the next time I made that same decision. Instead, I felt like I had to do something to avoid the sketch reads that I was told would happen, and end up falling under suspicion by kara anyway the next day. I respect all the people that have been playing this game forever, like that huge Cray post above, so i DO try to listen to every piece of advice thats given. But if everything in this game leads to sketch points in one way or another, why not just make a move despite it possibly looking bad. Worst case Im eliminated and start over next game. And whatever I did and how people react to it may actually give people reads on others and how they reacted to the play I made.
^^^^
This. You have unlocked the code. You debated a few finer points about doing this and that, but ultimately it's about lynching wolves. However you can work with village to do so, that is what you do.

You've also unlocked what should basically be the default status of villagers. Avoiding looking sketch and not getting lynched is great. It is not your job. Image control is second to lynching wolves. Conversely, image control is way more important for wolves.

LIS was the one who taught me to transition from noob just trying to stay alive to play, to understanding that the game isn't lost when you die. You will die like 90% of the time. The goal isn't to live.
It's not about pleasing the crowd, the lynch mob can hardly be reasoned with. The goal is to make the right moves for your team, even if they lynch or bus your ass.

WIFOM - you've identified the game is complex. There are multiple ways of looking at anything. Also, nuance. Not voting is wolfy. But, can you see why it might be suspicious to cast a last minute vote? Not even saying you shouldn't - I argue you should. Sometimes I think early votes are suspicious because they don't always feel well substantiated to me, and wolves can easily toss them out early in the day to look good.

But as you can see what redeems you in one person's view damns you in another.

Almost everything anyone does can be argued to be wolfy.

You are getting better. People will keep yelling at you, often yelling at each other as they disagree with everyone's opinions. Don't take it hard. I'm glad for your participation yesterday. It was good. It was also open to criticisms. You didn't talk enough, you said too much, there was too much emoticon, you cast a vote, you didn't cast a vote when people thought you should, you didn't vote where you should have, needs more cowbell.
 
Lupin keeps creeping up more and more on my sketch list for blowing things out of proportion with multiple players, and this eagerness for ties. Probably would lynch here if not for Kara.

Currently waiting on Snowy and Capri to get back to me about their tin-foil theories.

Waiting for a response from @SARdoghandler on how she feels about coffee.

ETA: Ugh ninja'd.

I don't know what you want. My tinfoil isn't where the wolves would have voted, just that it seemed like a v/v/v/v tie lynch. They wouldn't have a care if all the tied people were villagers. Maybe some voted early on on of the top lynch candidates, maybe they just voted a random, maybe they voted another wolf. There are probably some of each.
 
Do you think its wolfy or village?

I would guess village. People don't usually like to lynch silenced people who can't defend themselves, so it's not a super helpful ability for the wolves.

So you dont reevaluate living players interactions with people that were night killed?
Im not judging your play, do you, I can usually see where you're going with your votes and you're sketching me out this game.

night kill analysis is always WIFOM
 
Was there an answer you were expecting?

I don't know what you want.

What I wanted was for one of you to pick a person or two and say "This person is wolfy/village and here's how they fit into my theory." so that I could give you village points. As it is, you didn't do that. Its not outright sketchy, but it does make me :eyebrow: at you both because, like I said, claiming all 4 of the people on the block for the first day could've been village is a really easy thing to say and look like you're trying to contribute to village discussion without saying anything of real substance.
But yes I get it, not everyone tin-foils as hard as I do, so while I think its sketchy, you're far from the top of my list, just people to keep an eye on.
 
I would guess village. People don't usually like to lynch silenced people who can't defend themselves, so it's not a super helpful ability for the wolves.

*lol nvm this. I had in my head that mj had been silenced yesterday. I don't know about the vote stealer... would actually lean that more sketch.
 
What I wanted was for one of you to pick a person or two and say "This person is wolfy/village and here's how they fit into my theory." so that I could give you village points. As it is, you didn't do that. Its not outright sketchy, but it does make me :eyebrow: at you both because, like I said, claiming all 4 of the people on the block for the first day could've been village is a really easy thing to say and look like you're trying to contribute to village discussion without saying anything of real substance.
But yes I get it, not everyone tin-foils as hard as I do, so while I think its sketchy, you're far from the top of my list, just people to keep an eye on.

Not saying they could've been village. Saying they most likely ARE village.
 
Lynch dubz

don't like her non-response response about my questioning of her capri vote and her overall lack of solid contributions to thread when that is something I think is more typical of her gameplay imo
 
also, I absolutely won't be around for lynch close today, and probably only have a solid hour window to catch up on thread between right now and then. If anyone has questions or compliments or memes or whatever for me please tag me so I can prioritize answering those when I get back on thread later today
 
Unlynch Paws
Lynch Kara

Was told it was cute the first time, but not to push it. :yeahright:
 
For N1 I think I was blocked. Hard to know with the wording and the fact I was doing nothing. Possibly wolfy based on wording but I reserve judgement until we know more targets and see if it's being used in a wolfy or village manner. Not a defense, just me stating this so knowledge is shared

Also @capri1722 you said weim opened a pm with you correct?

@WeimMama why did you open a pm with capri but not me?
I don’t see where she said that but I definitely didn’t open a PM with her.
 
Responses to specific asks for my thoughts:

The other thing that happened is you began your Moose tunnel 🙂

What are your thoughts on what I quoted, re. Cray?

I saw it. I recognize your reasoning. I just personally disagree with it and am reading Cray as village at this time.

@SARdoghandler how do you feel about coffee?

Slight village lean

Well, you're wrong, but not really relevant so okay.

I'd like to know who @SARdoghandler , @genny, and @vetmedhead have in their wolf list and why. I'd also still like to know why @dolphin106258 voted for me.

My wolf list is not very developed right now. I mainly have a lot of people who I'm leaning village on based on feels.

I can see the arguments for Kara and I don't like the circumstances around the Bryndy lynch where she was involved D1. However, based on her posts I have her as null.

I am concerned about you. Nothing concrete. Mainly feels and tone.

AM is also freaking me out which I really, really don't like.
 
She opened a PM with me and we didn't really say anything more than pleasantries. That said I feel like she gets early lynched a lot :shrug:

Sorry @capri1722 and @WeimMama in my skimming I thought someone had mentioned weim opening a pm which I found odd as she hadn't opened one with me and had been mia from thread at the time. Maybe I saw this quote and mistook it? :shrug:

trying to continue with my catch-up
 
Lynch Kara

I will try really hard to be back again before lynch close but I can’t make any promises.

I’d love to hear more out of bryndi and wz today.
 
Bryndi (5) - Karabeans, meats, snowy, Lupes, coffee

Theres gotta be some Red in here somewhere, if not bryndi herself. Zigs flip makes me look a little less at kara.

If there is a wolf between koffee and bryndy, I'd be interested in cubs as he broke the tie to killer

need to look at koffee more but need to read D2 first

Lets find out more about them then, shall we? I havent been on the bryndi sketch train at all so

Lynch Coffee

Care to join me for a third day in a row, Ski?
 
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