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DVMDream said:
They don't even have a vet school.... what facilities? The building you will be sitting in for lectures?
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They do have some facilities. You can see them on their website, granted they're not the fanciest but that's not really the point, right?

I agree it's important for people to consider these things. When you're pre-vet you at some point realize how competitive it is and that some of us may not have as good of an application as we once thought. For this reason, many people are willing to pay more and accept things that others with more options may view as unacceptable. It's easy for us to get into a mentality of "I'll go where I can get the degree." This isn't necessarily the best mentality BUT I will say that I've worked with a lot of vets that went to Ross and are extremely successful/excellent veterinary professionals even though Ross receives many of the same criticisms being discussed here. I'm not saying it will be the same for LMU, but everyone reading this should visit, meet with the staff, and decide for themselves if the school has what they need to learn and be successful.

I know everyone on this thread has good intentions and are just trying to help, but everyone has to decide what is best for them on their own terms.

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K9CRZY said:
They do have some facilities. You can see them on their website, granted they're not the fanciest but that's not really the point, right?

I agree it's important for people to consider these things. When you're pre-vet you at some point realize how competitive it is and that some of us may not have as good of an application as we once thought. For this reason, many people are willing to pay more and accept things that others with more options may view as unacceptable. It's easy for us to get into a mentality of "I'll go where I can get the degree." This isn't necessarily the best mentality BUT I will say that I've worked with a lot of vets that went to Ross and are extremely successful/excellent veterinary professionals even though Ross receives many of the same criticisms being discussed here. I'm not saying it will be the same for LMU, but everyone reading this should visit, meet with the staff, and decide for themselves if the school has what they need to learn and be successful.

I know everyone on this thread has good intentions and are just trying to help, but everyone has to decide what is best for them on their own terms.

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No one disagrees with this. But if you are going to spend >$250k on education, make damn well sure they will get you to the point of practicing, if you can't even pass boards based on where you go, then why spend $250k on the degree? At some point people need to be asking these questions. Don't sell yourself short and put yourself into insurmountable debt just because you think your chances are "less" so you need to settle. If they can't guarantee a good education (what they are selling) then you shouldn't buy. No different than going to buy a TV, if they told you, you have an 87.5% chance of it working would you buy it especially when they are selling if for MORE than someone selling a TV with a 98-99% chance of working.

And, yes, if someone is going to boast that they have "fantastic equipment and facilities" then I expect a fully stocked hospital with all the bells/whistles, anything less isn't "fantastic".

Yes, Ross graduates a fair number of great vets, however, they also have an insanely high attrition rate. Many don't make it through the first couple of semesters.
 
DVMDream said:
No one disagrees with this. But if you are going to spend >$250k on education, make damn well sure they will get you to the point of practicing, if you can't even pass boards based on where you go, then why spend $250k on the degree? At some point people need to be asking these questions. Don't sell yourself short and put yourself into insurmountable debt just because you think your chances are "less".

And, yes, if someone is going to boast that they have "fantastic equipment and facilities" then I expect a fully stocked hospital with all the bells/whistles, anything less isn't "fantastic".

Yes, Ross graduates a fair number of great vets, however, they also have an insanely high attrition rate. Many don't make it through the first couple of semesters.
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I agree that the debt is not worth it if you're not going into a program that will set you up for success. That's what I mean when I say people should take action to do their own investigation and visit beforehand (which is done if you're selected for an interview anyways). Even if it turns out to be your only option, you still need to consider these things and I'm glad that you're reminding us of that.

I haven't visited so I can't speak first hand on the facilities, it was mentioned that they're working on more currently (?). I agree but they are new and will expand over time if they keep accreditation.

And yes, I know this about Ross. I was only pointing out that they were able to make it worth while and if you're going to go through with this then you need to be 100% sure you can do the same.

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DVMDream said:
No one disagrees with this. But if you are going to spend >$250k on education, make damn well sure they will get you to the point of practicing, if you can't even pass boards based on where you go, then why spend $250k on the degree? At some point people need to be asking these questions. Don't sell yourself short and put yourself into insurmountable debt just because you think your chances are "less" so you need to settle. If they can't guarantee a good education (what they are selling) then you shouldn't buy. No different than going to buy a TV, if they told you, you have an 87.5% chance of it working would you buy it especially when they are selling if for MORE than someone selling a TV with a 98-99% chance of working.

And, yes, if someone is going to boast that they have "fantastic equipment and facilities" then I expect a fully stocked hospital with all the bells/whistles, anything less isn't "fantastic".

Yes, Ross graduates a fair number of great vets, however, they also have an insanely high attrition rate. Many don't make it through the first couple of semesters.
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I actually thought their facilities at their Veterinary Teaching Center were quite nice and impressive when I interviewed. I would love to see the Veterinary building on the campus once they finish it.
 
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I actually thought their facilities at their Veterinary Teaching Center were quite nice and impressive when I interviewed. I would love to see the Veterinary building on the campus once they finish it.
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Have you seen and compared to a full service teaching hospital at any of the other veterinary schools?

There is a difference between "yup nice building for clinical skills labs" and full service teaching hospital with all the specialists (or most of them) under one roof and simply a 100 foot walk away.

Last I checked they aren't ever planning on building a hospital, which is fine, if you have the means to get that much needed experience elsewhere, but it is nice to pop into a full clinic and chat with the clinicians during the first three years of school. Be a fly on the wall in ER/ICU, etc.

Just something to consider and what I consider needs to be present in order to have "fantastic" facilities.
 
DVMDream said:
Have you seen and compared to a full service teaching hospital at any of the other veterinary schools?

There is a difference between "yup nice building for clinical skills labs" and full service teaching hospital with all the specialists (or most of them) under one roof and simply a 100 foot walk away.

Last I checked they aren't ever planning on building a hospital, which is fine, if you have the means to get that much needed experience elsewhere, but it is nice to pop into a full clinic and chat with the clinicians during the first three years of school. Be a fly on the wall in ER/ICU, etc.

Just something to consider and what I consider needs to be present in order to have "fantastic" facilities.
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Yea I have! And there are definitely pros and cons to each set up. I could see myself personally with either set up. I just wanted to speak from a first hand account just because I don't believe applicants should be discouraged based off of opinions that are from online viewing and not in person.
 
vetapplicant_22 said:
Yea I have! And there are definitely pros and cons to each set up. I could see myself personally with either set up. I just wanted to speak from a first hand account just because I don't believe applicants should be discouraged based off of opinions that are from online viewing and not in person.
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Don't need to be in person to recognize full hospital is > no hospital.

And, yes, I applied to a vet school without a hospital back in the day and probably would have accepted an offer from them. Having gone through vet school though, I am glad I didn't have to take that option. So many things you learn once on the other side.
 
DVMDream said:
Don't need to be in person to recognize full hospital is > no hospital.

And, yes, I applied to a vet school without a hospital back in the day and probably would have accepted an offer from them. Having gone through vet school though, I am glad I didn't have to take that option. So many things you learn once on the other side.
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And I'm sure there are people who preferred not having a hospital, but luckily everyone gets to make their own decision and hopefully become successful vets.
 
vetapplicant_22 said:
And I'm sure there are people who preferred not having a hospital, but luckily everyone gets to make their own decision and hopefully become successful vets.
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You can keep slicing this however you want, but in the end, it is still not true to say LMU has "fantastic" facilities compared to what else is out there.

Their model may still work, but it is dishonest to tell applicants their facilities are "fantastic" or great. It doesn't hold a candle to a full service, multiple specialty veterinary clinic at a teaching hospital.

I have been in many teaching hospitals throughout the 3 years I applied/interviewed. Yeah, western had a decent clinic, but it sure didn't stack up against Iowa's full service facility. WSU had a nice hospital, better facilities and exposure than Western but not as great as others I have been in. Kissing ass and repeating that "well it is good or people can decide what they want" halts progression and improvement.

The problem here isn't that it can't work, the problem is in people wanting it to be "equivalent" or "just as good" the short answer is... .it isn't. Just isn't. Doesn't mean you can't come out the other side a great vet, you can, and there are many grads who are great vets from that model, but you can't say they have "fantastic" facilities when they really do lack quite a bit just by not having a hospital.
 
Here is a post from a member who went to a vet school without a teaching hospital....

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How frustrating. I went to a school without a teaching hospital and am currently a resident at an institution with a teaching hospital. I think there are pros and cons to both systems, but I really think there is no replacement for having a teaching hospital available. I really am not a fan of this theme that more and more vet schools can open without one.
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There's also the point of you can still choose to not go spend time in the hospital outside of school if you don't want to. But it's still available if you want it eventually.

I see no advantage to not having a hospital, to be honest.
 
People shouldn't be expected to pay as much for a school without a teaching hospital (where is that tuition money going?) that hasn't established that it can properly teach all its students what they need to know to become licensed veterinarians, as they would at an established school with a fully operational hospital. I apply that opinion across the board.

I find it predatory, and I think it sucks because people do have dreams of becoming veterinarians and will do almost anything to get there, and now 11 of them from that first graduating class can't, at least for now, do the job they paid all that money and went through all that schooling to do. That is not something that we should just shrug at and say "Well, it'll get better." Will it? What if it doesn't? And does that matter for those students who will have to start paying their loans off before they can work as vets?

It sucks, and it sucks no matter what school we're talking about.

Also, whatever that BS was about tenured faculty not caring...well, that's just BS. First hand experience at a public school, plenty of tenured faculty here, plenty of caring about their students to go around, it's kind of what we're known for actually. Might be your experience or your opinion but it shouldn't be stated like a fact.
 
Anyone know/concerned about LMU not getting accredited yet while Midwestern just got theirs?
 
DVMDream said:
They don't even have a vet hospital.... what facilities? The building you will be sitting in for lectures?
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Have you been? They have 3 or 4 hospital facilities. They have shelter dogs they practice with. I don’t understand why everyone wants to hate on a school they have never even seen with their own eyes.


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amwildlife said:
Have you been? They have 3 or 4 hospital facilities. They have shelter dogs they practice with. I don’t understand why everyone wants to hate on a school they have never even seen with their own eyes.


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They still don't have a full service teaching hospital with multiple board certified specialists in the same building. Can local vets refer for internal med consults? Cardio? Neuro? Do they have MRI/CT? Onco? Ortho/soft tissue surgery? Are they doing TPLO's? Setting fractured bones? Ophtho services?

No, they are using for spay/neuter. ...so what, every vet school does that.

You're missing the point because you're defensive over a school you aren't even attending.

I'm not saying other schools are perfect, they aren't. But most provide much more with a lot more exposure for the vet students. There is always room for improvement and I don't think we should be opening vet schools without teaching hospitals and then charging those students more than the schools with the clinics. I think it is predatory and shows the main interest is making money.
 
DVMDream said:
They still don't have a full service teaching hospital with multiple board certified specialists in the same building. Can local vets refer for internal med consults? Cardio? Neuro? Do they have MRI/CT? Onco? Ortho/soft tissue surgery? Are they doing TPLO's? Setting fractured bones? Ophtho services?

No, they are using for spay/neuter. ...so what, every vet school does that.

You're missing the point because you're defensive over a school you aren't even attending.

I'm not saying other schools are perfect, they aren't. But most provide much more with a lot more exposure for the vet students. There is always room for improvement and I don't think we should be opening vet schools without teaching hospitals and then charging those students more than the schools with the clinics. I think it is predatory and shows the main interest is making money.
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Actually I went on a tour of the teaching hospital. They do have a CT machine. They do ortho, cardio, and internal medicine specialists at their teaching hospital and looking to expand. I also went to Iowa state for my masters and Have seen first hand what a great teaching hospital looks like. Mwu will get there.
 
Tru108 said:
Mwu will get there.
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But they aren't there. That's DVMD's point. Why are they accepting, teaching, and graduating students when they aren't being as successful as possible?

Edit: my bad, also missed the school switch here
 
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Tru108 said:
Actually I went on a tour of the teaching hospital. They do have a CT machine. They do ortho, cardio, and internal medicine specialists at their teaching hospital and looking to expand. I also went to Iowa state for my masters and Have seen first hand what a great teaching hospital looks like. Mwu will get there.
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We aren't talking about MWU, we're talking about LMU. MWU is planning on having a full service hospital. LMU isn't, they're using a distributive model. LMU has zero plans for a full service teaching hospital. MWU does, but it still isn't up to speed
 
amwildlife said:
considering I don't even have a vet school in my state. this schools price isn't bad. They only way I can get instate is by a contract seat which, lets be honest, is really hard to get. I have to have OOS schools be some of my top choices because I do not get much of a choice when it comes to instate. In a state my size with as many universities as there are, you have more than 500 students competing for 75 contract seats. Odds aren't in ANYONES favor.
EDIT: also LMU is a private school which have endless benefits like no tenure so professors care, no OOS fees, and etc.
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To be clear, my concern is only for you and other prospective students. I have no issue with LMU or anyone who goes there. I want all fellow veterinary students to succeed.

As a consumer, you must watch out for yourself. Tuskegee will not tell you if their veterinary education is subpar. UPenn is not going to tell you if their veterinary education is subpar. UGA is not going to tell you if their veterinary education is subpar. A school such as Tuskegee, Ross, or LMU "passing" via their NAVLE rate should not be the sole factor. These vet schools will do everything possible to be under the radar and not tell students what is really going on. This is true of every school. They want to protect their investments and prestige without regard to the student.

You should be principally concerned with "Where can I get the best value for the best price?" What is the best veterinary education for the best price? An expensive school with a very non-traditional clinical system and now an unclarified issue with accreditation should raise instant red flags about whether it is either the best education you can get or if it is at a reasonable price. And if you have no in-state, move somewhere and establish residency, work for a year, and save for living expenses in school. If you are that unsure if you will get in, learning more in a vet practice and saving money is a phenomenal option.

If you were going to buy an expensive car from a new car maker and there was an active safety recall on that car, and the dealership refused to answer why there was that issue and if it was dangerous, would you buy that car? Gosh I hope not.
 
At the end of the day, I think it's natural for potential students to inquire about the accreditation and want to know the facts. But I also don't think anyone really knows why this happened yet.

There are some things about LMU that I love, and other things that I prefer at other schools. It's not going to stop me from applying there.


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ANSohschm said:
To be clear, my concern is only for you and other prospective students. I have no issue with LMU or anyone who goes there. I want all fellow veterinary students to succeed.

As a consumer, you must watch out for yourself. Tuskegee will not tell you if their veterinary education is subpar. UPenn is not going to tell you if their veterinary education is subpar. UGA is not going to tell you if their veterinary education is subpar. A school such as Tuskegee, Ross, or LMU "passing" via their NAVLE rate should not be the sole factor. These vet schools will do everything possible to be under the radar and not tell students what is really going on. This is true of every school. They want to protect their investments and prestige without regard to the student.

You should be principally concerned with "Where can I get the best value for the best price?" What is the best veterinary education for the best price? An expensive school with a very non-traditional clinical system and now an unclarified issue with accreditation should raise instant red flags about whether it is either the best education you can get or if it is at a reasonable price. And if you have no in-state, move somewhere and establish residency, work for a year, and save for living expenses in school. If you are that unsure if you will get in, learning more in a vet practice and saving money is a phenomenal option.

If you were going to buy an expensive car from a new car maker and there was an active safety recall on that car, and the dealership refused to answer why there was that issue and if it was dangerous, would you buy that car? Gosh I hope not.
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ANSohschm said:
If you were going to buy an expensive car from a new car maker and there was an active safety recall on that car, and the dealership refused to answer why there was that issue and if it was dangerous, would you buy that car? Gosh I hope not.
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This is a fantastic analogy.
 
vethopeful_2 said:
At the end of the day, I think it's natural for potential students to inquire about the accreditation and want to know the facts. But I also don't think anyone really knows why this happened yet.

There are some things about LMU that I love, and other things that I prefer at other schools. It's not going to stop me from applying there.


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This is incorrect. LMU knows why this happened. And they have decided it is in their best interests not to tell you. They likely drafted an extensive submission to the COE folks jacked full of data, explaining their buildings, their progress, and their program's own self-critiqued strengths and weaknesses, among other things. And they receive quick feedback from the COE.
 
Take my words with a grain of salt as LMU hasn't sent me anything. I have worked with vets in thr field two large animal vets from UF, and one in a fantastic clinic from one of the Caribbean schools. Two wrote me letters of recommendation. I learned a lot in the field and hospital. That being said as these were clients animals and these were not at a teaching hospital, there was a limit to what I could learn.

I currently care for a horse with melanomas that burst and need bandaging every day/other day. Hes 24 and healthy besides that. I also vaccinate and deworm a herd when needed. These do not require a vet degree but they are educational.

What im trying to say is there needs to be a place to practice and learn. UF has a teaching hospital that I have been in. 3-4th years work along side vets and during the hurricane here went out to do vet checks on animals in our rural areas.

If LMU can offer the ability to learn in controlled environment and fully prepare me for exams and the field, I would be honored to attend. I would attend any vet school who would have me but I would like to be prepared and I believe all vets need a mix of controlled hospital setting teaching and field work.

Im greatful for working 3-4 15 hr days a week under an equine vet. It gave me knowledge of the reality of ambulatory vet care. I hope all can experience this too.
 
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This is incorrect. LMU knows why this happened. And they have decided it is in their best interests not to tell you. They likely drafted an extensive submission to the COE folks jacked full of data, explaining their buildings, their progress, and their program's own self-critiqued strengths and weaknesses, among other things. And they receive quick feedback from the COE.
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I meant *we* probably don't know why it has happened, as in the common SDN user. Sorry for the confusion 🙂


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Animal_lady said:
I've seen schools with teaching hospitals and honestly it's too cramped to learn anything in that space.
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Yeah. No student at a vet school with a teaching hospital has ever learned a single thing. 🙄
 
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Animal_lady said:
LMU has an awesome program spaying and neutering shelter animals that gives 3rd years multiple chances to practice the main surgeries they will be doing in their career. Also, fourth year is where you get that real clinical experience... and trust me you get a lot of it.
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Many, many schools have surgery opportunities before clinics. Most of them, actually. I'm trying to figure out why that keeps getting touted as something unique/special/worth 46k a year and an increased chance of not being licensed...

And where do you think LMU students go during 4th year, when they're not at private practice clinics? Oh that's right. Those cramped teaching hospitals at other schools...
 
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Many, many schools have surgery opportunities before clinics. Most of them, actually. I'm trying to figure out why that keeps getting touted as something unique/special/worth 46k a year and an increased chance of not being licensed...

And where do you think LMU students go during 4th year, when they're not at private practice clinics? Oh that's right. Those cramped teaching hospitals at other schools...
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this. This is why I don’t support building more and more schools without teaching hospitals, for instance the new one at Texas Tech. Whether they “partner with local veterinary clinics” or not, it’s still going to wind up with my school and Texas A&M getting stuck with the lionshare of students for clinics
 
Animal_lady said:
spaying and neutering shelter animals that gives 3rd years multiple chances to practice
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I honestly cant think of a school with a teaching hospital where this isn't the norm.

Animal_lady said:
fourth year is where you get that real clinical experience... and trust me you get a lot of it.
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She would know. She graduated some time ago.
 
Animal_lady said:
I’m trying to give you my real experience at this school. Think what you’re want. Be sarcastic and snotty if you want. I love it here. Can’t change my mind. ‍♀️
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glad you're having a good experience!
 
Animal_lady said:
Again, as a current student here in the master's program, they do have great facilities....for teaching, which is what they are there to do. I've seen schools with teaching hospitals and honestly it's too cramped to learn anything in that space. \
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:laugh:

And all those private practices you will be working in have 5,000 square feet or more of space... .right? Or more likely they are hole in the wall clinics where you have to learn to bend over/work around many obstacles.

The schools with teaching hospitals have... umm, classrooms and junior surgery suites and other spaces for learning.... not just the teaching hospital... :laugh:
 
Animal_lady said:
Also, fourth year is where you get that real clinical experience... and trust me you get a lot of it.
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You won't be spending 4th year at LMU... so... umm... yeah. You will be spending it elsewhere... teaching hospitals, local "small" clinics, maybe some private specialty practices but LMU is not teaching you for your fourth year, so exactly what is your point here?
 
Animal_lady said:
It’s the best experience you’ll get if you plan on continuing hole in the wall clinics. LMU is a great opportunity for a area that is in great need for all medical fields. All I meant by “cramped” is that there are a lot more people in a teaching hospital, which can be overwhelming to some.
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There are many regions in the US that have "great need" for medical personnel. Need doesn't mean you will get it or that it is sustainable. The small region LMU is in can't afford a veterinarian and sure as **** can't afford one that has graduated from LMU and has 300k+ in debt from that school. You know, the one that can currently only guarantee and 87% chance on passing the licensing exam that you NEED TO PASS to actually practice. There are MANY regions in the US like this... you don't see vet schools popping up in every podunk town in the US. There is no reason to open a school in these areas, you can not provide a veterinarian for an area that can't financially support one. They will not stay, because no one with $300k in debt is going to hang around in middle of nowhere Tennessee providing mixed animal work for maybe $60k per year while being on call 24/7. Welcome to reality... some areas will not have vets.

If you think being around a "lot" of people is overwhelming, how do you imagine it will be when you lacerate a spleen during a spay or drop a pedicle and the patient is bleeding. Not to mention that you AREN'T AVOIDING that teaching hospital by going to LMU. You are still going there, to get your fourth year completed.


I am not "negative", I am being realistic about a veterinary school that is further destroying this profession. The rampant debt that I know so many of us struggle with. The fact that people are killing themselves in this field. The fact that those 13% of vet students who didn't pass the NAVLE are at big risk for feeling inadequate, distraught, depressed, etc. The fact that they aren't providing you with important things. The fact that they are being predatory because there are enough rose-colored glasses pre-vets who will do anything to be a veterinarian while putting the blinders on to what the reality truly is on the other side of vet school. To what paying off $300k+ in debt is actually like.
 
Animal_lady said:
I haven’t read much into it. They have a poster on the wall explaining all the places people have gone for clinics including: LMU sponsored places like UT and GLUCK in Kentucky, and student elective opportunities. It’s a lot of places in Appalachia. They’re really big on helping rural communities and working with them. I read this poster before practicals lol.
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Yeah I get they have a bunch of places they have set up, but HOW do they become one of the places? How rigorous is that process? Is it just a “hey I wanna do this” “k cool ur in”? And HOW do they make sure these clinics are actually teaching you what they are supposed to.
 
Animal_lady said:
I’m already depressed. And the only thing making me feel inadequate right now is you soo thanks for all your kind wisdom. You know LMU is huge on mental health and learning people skills? Maybe you’d do well to sit in on a class. 🙂
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If they are big on mental health, they'd reduce their tuition. 😉

Why would you feel inadequate because I am pointing out flaws in a system that you didn't design nor have any part in designing? Why are you taking what they created so personally? You didn't design it, you have no reason to feel inadequate about it. Nor are you wrong for looking at the program and showing interest, many do. I get why. I have been there, wanting desperately any way to get into vet school. Cost didn't matter. Program didn't matter. Nothing mattered other than getting in. I am on the other side, I see where I made mistakes, I see ways I can make things better... for the next generation. If I get one person to listen or one person to consider what I am saying... that is a win. You may still pick LMU even with what I say, but if I can make people more aware of what you will be running into after those 4 short years in vet school, I have done well.
 
Animal_lady said:
And if i can? And that’s what I want and makes me happy?
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I'd love to live and work in BFE Nebraska for the rest of my life. But 50k/year pre-tax salary paying 280k in loans, that's not economically feasible. I'd be homeless and starving. Can't do what makes you happy if you can't afford to eat.
 
SkiOtter said:
Serious question tho
How are the regulating the clinics and monitoring to make sure you’re learning what you’re supposed to be learning out there? And how rigorous is the process to get a clinic approved?
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This is an excellent question...maybe that’s one of the issues with accreditation? 😉
 
DVMDream said:
There are many regions in the US that have "great need" for medical personnel. Need doesn't mean you will get it or that it is sustainable. The small region LMU is in can't afford a veterinarian and sure as **** can't afford one that has graduated from LMU and has 300k+ in debt from that school. You know, the one that can currently only guarantee and 87% chance on passing the licensing exam that you NEED TO PASS to actually practice. There are MANY regions in the US like this... you don't see vet schools popping up in every podunk town in the US. There is no reason to open a school in these areas, you can not provide a veterinarian for an area that can't financially support one. They will not stay, because no one with $300k in debt is going to hang around in middle of nowhere Tennessee providing mixed animal work for maybe $60k per year while being on call 24/7. Welcome to reality... some areas will not have vets.

If you think being around a "lot" of people is overwhelming, how do you imagine it will be when you lacerate a spleen during a spay or drop a pedicle and the patient is bleeding. Not to mention that you AREN'T AVOIDING that teaching hospital by going to LMU. You are still going there, to get your fourth year completed.


I am not "negative", I am being realistic about a veterinary school that is further destroying this profession. The rampant debt that I know so many of us struggle with. The fact that people are killing themselves in this field. The fact that those 13% of vet students who didn't pass the NAVLE are at big risk for feeling inadequate, distraught, depressed, etc. The fact that they aren't providing you with important things. The fact that they are being predatory because there are enough rose-colored glasses pre-vets who will do anything to be a veterinarian while putting the blinders on to what the reality truly is on the other side of vet school. To what paying off $300k+ in debt is actually like.
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I agree on this which is why I switched to looking at food animal and production as equine is too thin in most areas to make a decent living with costs. You need a mixed LA practice to stay afloat. Im not in the mountains but rural florida which my hometown are will be without LA vets in about 5-8 more years from now due to the reality of the situation. I watched all of our LA vets switch to SA or move to Wellington or south Florida. This is the reality of vetmed I lived it as a tech I know what im getting into and I prepped to make sure I have something to make money with and a place to start.
 
Old-Country-Vet-Tech said:
I agree on this which is why I switched to looking at food animal and production as equine is too thin in most areas to make a decent living with costs. You need a mixed LA practice to stay afloat. Im not in the mountains but rural florida which my hometown are will be without LA vets in about 5-8 more years from now due to the reality of the situation. I watched all of our LA vets switch to SA or move to Wellington or south Florida. This is the reality of vetmed I lived it as a tech I know what im getting into and I prepped to make sure I have something to make money with and a place to start.
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Um, the reason they're leaving mixed practice is because you can't make enough money. This is exactly what all these schools keep saying to justify opening another one. It is hogwash. You don't make money in mixed LA practice... small animal makes the money. Small towns don't have enough animals to pay a vet enough to stay. ...LA, equine or small animal. Plus the constant 24/7 on call of mixed leads to so much burn out and depression. You're making maybe $65-70k which won't even pay the interest on your debt and won't afford you a home but you're working 80+ hours a week. This is why vets are leaving for small animal.
 
DVMDream said:
Um, the reason they're leaving mixed practice is because you can't make enough money. This is exactly what all these schools keep saying to justify opening another one. It is hogwash. You don't make money in mixed LA practice... small animal makes the money. Small towns don't have enough animals to pay a vet enough to stay. ...LA, equine or small animal. Plus the constant 24/7 on call of mixed leads to so much burn out and depression. You're making maybe $65-70k which won't even pay the interest on your debt and won't afford you a home but you're working 80+ hours a week. This is why vets are leaving for small animal.
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Some programs are now offering to pay for your tuition if you stay in rural areas to try and solve this problem.

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