Midwestern University Arizona (AZCOM) Discussion Thread 2012 - 2013

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I also had interview yesterday and just wanted to say the overall experience was a lot better than what I expected (compared to what I read on this thread about rotations+people bailing out of interviews). I felt like the school really cared about its students (high board scores, open door policy, etc), and they are cool with most of their students taking USMLE (I was told at NSU that they "let students take them" but emphasized it is "unnecessary").

This week is supposed to be the last group of the first interview batch. Anyone interviewing this week is going to hear back from AZCOM by next Thursday.

That's kind of funny... they can't really keep you from paying some money and signing up for a test now, can they?

Honestly, this is one of the things that impresses me about AZCOM. They emphasize that both ACGME and AOA residencies are available to their graduates. They say with pride that a large percent of their students pursue ACGME residencies. At the same time, they have gone forward producing more AOA residencies so students have that option as well. I've heard comments from other schools' reps like, "Maybe 10% of our students take the USMLE, I don't know why anyone would take it." :laugh:
 
That's kind of funny... they can't really keep you from paying some money and signing up for a test now, can they?

Honestly, this is one of the things that impresses me about AZCOM. They emphasize that both ACGME and AOA residencies are available to their graduates. They say with pride that a large percent of their students pursue ACGME residencies. At the same time, they have gone forward producing more AOA residencies so students have that option as well. I've heard comments from other schools' reps like, "Maybe 10% of our students take the USMLE, I don't know why anyone would take it." :laugh:

I never heard those comments at NSU. I heard the opposite actually.
 
I had a great interviewing experience yesterday. I'm completely sold on this school. They have great match rates, basically 100% last graduating class. They said there was one person who didn't match, and it was because he wanted to do pharmacy. Also their board scores are higher than average.

Great anatomy lab, and OMM lab. The campus was awesome, I loved the giant saguaro and the dessert flora. I talked to quite a few students and most of them were pretty much in love with the place, only one guy said he wasn't enjoying himself. But then again, I'm a firm believer in you get out what you put in.

All the other interviewees were super friendly. I've never been in a group of people that all hold themselves to the same educational and professional standards, What a privilege to be among them! The interview went great. I would say no sweat if you have prepared for a medical school interview. They will definitely ask you about your resume and personal statements, likely to see if what you have written is for real. And they seemed to really want to get to know you.

The only down side to my experience was I had a giant bar of chocolate that I left in my computer bag in the car... Needless to say, it was liquified in the heat and got all over my notebook charger. Sad day. But it was nothing a little acetone couldn't take care of - hooray for chemistry!
 
I got one of those purgatory letters in the mail saying they are putting my app on hold.
Oh poo 👎
 
Anyone going to be interviewing on October 12th? I'm coming from So Cal and debating if I should drive or fly.
 
Anyone going to be interviewing on October 12th? I'm coming from So Cal and debating if I should drive or fly.

What part of SoCal? AZCOM is on the western side of Phoenix metro which is nice (it takes at least an hour to get from one end of Phoenix to the other) but it's still lot closer if you live in say, the Inland Empire versus Ventura County.
 
Unfortunately I live in the San Fernando Valley, so its going to be a 6 hour drive or so.
 
Anyone going to be interviewing on October 12th? I'm coming from So Cal and debating if I should drive or fly.

I drove from So Cal. The drive to the school was a breeze as we got there in the same amount of time (5 hours) that google directions was telling us. The drive back was a nightmare. We were stuck in a 2-lane freeway for 2 whole hours due to an accident. It was hell! Thankfully, this happened on our way back to Cali so we weren't in a rush. If this had happened on the drive to AZ, I am sure I would have barely made it in time for the interview.
 
Unfortunately I live in the San Fernando Valley, so its going to be a 6 hour drive or so.

Kind of far but driving still has its advantages. PHX is about 30 minutes from campus; I guess it just depends on how expensive plane tickets are and how fuel efficient your car is. You'll be done with interviews by 2pm so you could sitll get back home reletively early.
 
I drove from So Cal. The drive to the school was a breeze as we got there in the same amount of time (5 hours) that google directions was telling us. The drive back was a nightmare. We were stuck in a 2-lane freeway for 2 whole hours due to an accident. It was hell! Thankfully, this happened on our way back to Cali so we weren't in a rush. If this had happened on the drive to AZ, I am sure I would have barely made it in time for the interview.

Good to know! Thanks for the heads up. Did you carpool with someone? The girlfriend has offered to come with if I decide to drive. Would certainly make it easier.
 
Anyone going to be interviewing on October 12th? I'm coming from So Cal and debating if I should drive or fly.
I think if you have the tenacity to drive for that long (consider the drive back as well), you should. I know that I wouldn't really feel like driving for 5+ hours after an interview. Having someone with you would be ideal, however, while you are interviewing she will be by herself (hopefully she can find something to do).
 
That's kind of funny... they can't really keep you from paying some money and signing up for a test now, can they?

A school technically could, as you have to have them fill out/endorse paperwork to permit you to register. That's how schools can make you pass screening tests before letting you sit for the real exams.
 
really? How long after do you think they will post the acceptances and whatnot?
 
really? How long after do you think they will post the acceptances and whatnot?

Our interview group including this week should hear back thursday night through updated portal.
 
Can anyone expand on what kind of curriculum they have here? All I know is there are tests weekly. I don't remember them discussing this in the interview. Or did they?😕 Also, I don't think we were given a presentation on financial aid. Ughh..I should have asked all this during the interview, but I was running on only 2 hours of sleep so my mind wasn't fully there.
 
Can anyone expand on what kind of curriculum they have here? All I know is there are tests weekly. I don't remember them discussing this in the interview. Or did they?😕 Also, I don't think we were given a presentation on financial aid. Ughh..I should have asked all this during the interview, but I was running on only 2 hours of sleep so my mind wasn't fully there.

Did they send you and email after your interview about financial aid? It had a link to their webinar.

They have basic sciences (cant remember for a semester or a year) and then systems based the second.
 
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Can anyone expand on what kind of curriculum they have here? All I know is there are tests weekly. I don't remember them discussing this in the interview..

Traditional curriculum both years.

First year is all about biochem, anatomy, histo/embryo, and physio. The professors in different subjects will try to correlate topics with each other when they can, but more often than not the material is unrelated from course to course.

Second year, there's even less integration. Pharm, micro, and path all do their own things independently and sometimes ICM (clin med) will overlap a bit with path.
 
Our interview group including this week should hear back thursday night through updated portal.

They said there is also a small possibility that they will meet on Friday instead of Thursday, so decisions may be delayed until Friday.
 
They said there is also a small possibility that they will meet on Friday instead of Thursday, so decisions may be delayed until Friday.

We were told on Friday that they were meeting Thursday and to look Friday morning on the portal
 
We were told on Friday that they were meeting Thursday and to look Friday morning on the portal

Okay, that's good to know. I interviewed there last Thursday and was told a Friday meeting was not improbable.

Anyways, do you think decisions will be up on Thursday evening? I have an interview on Friday and it will kill me to go all day without knowing.
 
Okay, that's good to know. I interviewed there last Thursday and was told a Friday meeting was not improbable.

Anyways, do you think decisions will be up on Thursday evening? I have an interview on Friday and it will kill me to go all day without knowing.

They said that our portals should change by thursday night and if it didnt, to call admissions on friday morning to find out.
 
Traditional curriculum both years.

First year is all about biochem, anatomy, histo/embryo, and physio. The professors in different subjects will try to correlate topics with each other when they can, but more often than not the material is unrelated from course to course.

Second year, there's even less integration. Pharm, micro, and path all do their own things independently and sometimes ICM (clin med) will overlap a bit with path.

How do you personally like this curriculum? From what I have read, an integrated system is more helpful in retaining information and making connections since there is a fair amount of overlap from course to course , which in turn helps out for board study.
 
How do you personally like this curriculum? From what I have read, an integrated system is more helpful in retaining information and making connections since there is a fair amount of overlap from course to course , which in turn helps out for board study.

I honestly couldn't tell you, as I've only ever known a traditional curriculum. I can see how the integrated/systems approach would be fairly useful/helpful if done well, though.
 
How do you personally like this curriculum? From what I have read, an integrated system is more helpful in retaining information and making connections since there is a fair amount of overlap from course to course , which in turn helps out for board study.

The validity of what you've heard will vary from person to person because our learning styles are different.
 
I honestly couldn't tell you, as I've only ever known a traditional curriculum. I can see how the integrated/systems approach would be fairly useful/helpful if done well, though.

I'm not sure if you had the same experience, but I've noticed that in studying with some of my classmates so far this first year, those who have taken additional upper division coursework seem to have an easier time than those who didn't. For example, this first quarter we take anatomy, but not physiology. People who have taken a bit of physiology seem to have a slightly easier time of understanding some of the anat / histo / embryo than those who didn't because they are better able to relate the structure to the function.
 
I'm not sure if you had the same experience, but I've noticed that in studying with some of my classmates so far this first year, those who have taken additional upper division coursework seem to have an easier time than those who didn't. For example, this first quarter we take anatomy, but not physiology. People who have taken a bit of physiology seem to have a slightly easier time of understanding some of the anat / histo / embryo than those who didn't because they are better able to relate the structure to the function.

Yeah, that's pretty constant from year to year. I've also found that a lot of times it's the older/non-trad students who tend to be some of the best at making all of the connections.
 
I wish they had given us more info on the curriculum at the interview. Personally, the type of curriculum a school has is going to be a big factor in my decision making process, even more than location.
 
I wish they had given us more info on the curriculum at the interview. Personally, the type of curriculum a school has is going to be a big factor in my decision making process, even more than location.

You can dig through old forums on here where current students talk about it. There's a thread floating around here that has a bunch of student reviews of their schools on it
 
The main thread. A little over halfway down is a post that links to each school-specific review.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=407104&page=21


The AZCOM specific part.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=6430883&postcount=207

Unfortunately, the info in that thread is a bit outdated so here are some amendments I'll offer for those who read it:

A) The faculty is pretty receptive to requests/changes, but officially recording lectures isn't one of them (you can on an individual basis for your use and that of your "study group"). Admin is pretty unresponsive to a lot of things.

B) Tuition has increased from ~$47.5k to $54k since I was a first year. I expect it to be about $57k next year because some of the grass is looking a bit brownish and the CEO/president likely needs a new yacht or something.

C) OMM is definitely a weakness here as we've performed below average in it the past few years. I'm not sure how much of that is because students are generally apathetic/hostile/disinterested in OMM and how much of it is a failure on the school's part. I probably fall in the middle of the pack as far as being interested in it goes and I make fun of it all the time (though I use it somewhat often as a parlor trick and for brownie points when desired), so it's probably more the former than the latter. Regardless, the school feels great shame because of this (as a number of faculty members write for the boards) and will likely start making some changes.

D) Yeah, we still don't have early clinical experiences aside from standardized patients, giving sports physicals in the spring, and volunteer opportunities. The whole rotation spot thing has been addressed extensively previously here, so I'll let it be.

E) Ample study areas, aside from finals week. Dentals don't study but sure can party, so they never steal study spots most of the year. I just studied at home most of the time. Also, if you live on-campus, the club house in housing is a popular study area and is usually pretty decent unless it's one of the random days the families here all get together for whatever reason or if some intense foosball, billiards or ping-pong games get going.

F) There's a board review course taught at the school now. I never went because attending lecture makes a part of my soul die, but some people found it useful. The biggest impact it's had is this is the course in which you have to pass a COMSAE (practice COMLEX) in before you can sit for the real COMLEX.

Otherwise, the review is mostly accurate.
 
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B) Tuition has increased from ~$47.5k to $54k since I was a first year. I expect it to be about $57k next year because some of the grass is looking a bit brownish and the CEO/president likely needs a new yacht or something.

E) Ample study areas, aside from finals week. Dentals don't study but sure can party, so they never steal study spots most of the year. I just studied at home most of the time. Also, if you live on-campus, the club house in housing is a popular study area and is usually pretty decent unless it's one of the random days the families here all get together for whatever reason or if some intense foosball, billiards or ping-pong games get going.

Don't forget about the new vet school opening. There are buildings to build, faculty to hire, and unknown other expenses to be had. I wonder if vet students party as hardy as the dents do.
 
B) Tuition has increased from ~$47.5k to $54k since I was a first year. I expect it to be about $57k next year because some of the grass is looking a bit brownish and the CEO/president likely needs a new yacht or something.

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If you don't mind sharing, what year are you currently? Just trying to estimate if this increase in tuition was over 4 years or less.
 
Don't forget about the new vet school opening. There are buildings to build, faculty to hire, and unknown other expenses to be had. I wonder if vet students party as hardy as the dents do.

The good news is they've already hired a dean and assistant dean...

If you don't mind sharing, what year are you currently? Just trying to estimate if this increase in tuition was over 4 years or less.

I'm class of 2014.
The school increases tuition by $1500-2000 every year. The only thing that changes is their reason for why it needs to go up.
 
Unfortunately, the info in that thread is a bit outdated so here are some amendments I'll offer for those who read it:

A) The faculty is pretty receptive to requests/changes, but officially recording lectures isn't one of them (you can on an individual basis for your use and that of your "study group"). Admin is pretty unresponsive to a lot of things.

B) Tuition has increased from ~$47.5k to $54k since I was a first year. I expect it to be about $57k next year because some of the grass is looking a bit brownish and the CEO/president likely needs a new yacht or something.

C) OMM is definitely a weakness here as we've performed below average in it the past few years. I'm not sure how much of that is because students are generally apathetic/hostile/disinterested in OMM and how much of it is a failure on the school's part. I probably fall in the middle of the pack as far as being interested in it goes and I make fun of it all the time (though I use it somewhat often as a parlor trick and for brownie points when desired), so it's probably more the former than the latter. Regardless, the school feels great shame because of this (as a number of faculty members write for the boards) and will likely start making some changes.

D) Yeah, we still don't have early clinical experiences aside from standardized patients, giving sports physicals in the spring, and volunteer opportunities. The whole rotation spot thing has been addressed extensively previously here, so I'll let it be.

E) Ample study areas, aside from finals week. Dentals don't study but sure can party, so they never steal study spots most of the year. I just studied at home most of the time. Also, if you live on-campus, the club house in housing is a popular study area and is usually pretty decent unless it's one of the random days the families here all get together for whatever reason or if some intense foosball, billiards or ping-pong games get going.

F) There's a board review course taught at the school now. I never went because attending lecture makes a part of my soul die, but some people found it useful. The biggest impact it's had is this is the course in which you have to pass a COMSAE (practice COMLEX) in before you can sit for the real COMLEX.

Otherwise, the review is mostly accurate.

I'd like to add a few things, at least from my perspective being a year ahead of you but good points overall and pretty much spot on.

1. Admin is fairly slow and defensive about changes, for typical reasons. When we first started, there wasn't even wifi in the auditorium. Only near the end of my first year did they finally enable it after literally constant prodding.

2. The tuition increase is inexcusable no matter how you put it. The letter they send out is purely political, but since most of us are committed, both in time and money, we simply have to take this is a hard fact of life and move on.

3. I agree 100%; OMM is a huge weakness and it's not just the boards. The approach is too stark compared to the hard sciences and all it can take is a bad first impression to set the tone for the rest of the year. Throw in the fact that OMM tends to test at terrible times during the year, people often cut their losses and study for the 'real' tests.

I feel essentially the same way about OMM as random. It's fun to do it on friends and family that are not sick, but beyond that, it is hardly anything that sold me and I didn't go in close minded either. After the infernal homeopathy and naturopathy lecture that we got in OMM (which I believe got removed), I could not wait to pass the PE and never look back. Shame I still have to take Step 3 so it's not totally over for me.

4. Early clinical experience is only mandatory as random says. Beyond that, UMOM, HOME and other local clinics can help but are all optional and frequently filled except for the times before exams.

5. Study spots are hit or miss for me. I ended up studying at home since people seem to freely chat or eat loud food at all random times in the day. Cholla lab is a great location on an off day if the library main is packed but there needs to be more, seriously.

6. I never attended the board review course either, but that's mainly due to my own personal disdain for lecture and being burned out on passive learning at that point. Random is pretty much on the ball here.


I have to add that they do plan to add more online lectures and quizzes to purge us of senoritis post match, so I'll let you all know how well we respond to that. We will be the first year they do this, so hopefully if we lash back hard enough, 2014 will be spared the pointlessness of what they're trying to pull. Our class is relatively known for complaining so if we can help the future classes some more, it would be great, even if they can't wait for us to get out the door.
 
I wish we could do a satisfaction poll for this school to see how pleased or displeased current students feel. I heed the feelings of current students a great deal and am getting some very conflicting feelings. It makes me worry.
 
I wish we could do a satisfaction poll for this school to see how pleased or displeased current students feel. I heed the feelings of current students a great deal and am getting some very conflicting feelings. It makes me worry.

Yeah, I'm feeling more and more inclined to withdraw my AZCOM application if I have other acceptances....

I think it would be interesting to see the results of this poll.....

While I appreciate the concerns brought up by current students its also important to remember that SDN is not a very representative sample of students attending AZCOM (not just AZCOM, but it holds true for every school). Just remember to take everything with a grain of salt because it is not necessarily everyone's opinion....
 
I think it would be interesting to see the results of this poll.....

While I appreciate the concerns brought up by current students its also important to remember that SDN is not a very representative sample of students attending AZCOM (not just AZCOM, but it holds true for every school). Just remember to take everything with a grain of salt because it is not necessarily everyone's opinion....

+1


"Do not fear an army of lions led by a sheep, instead fear an army of sheep led by a lion."

😀 😎 c/o 2017 😎 😀
 
October 12th just popped up for an interview. I nearly snagged it, but it's too early and conflicting for me. It's a great opportunity for someone else. FYI.
 
On a lighter note, for those like Zoner, how do you like this Avatar? Better? LoL

Better but only amatter of time until I get sick of his face expression

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Better but only amatter of time until I get sick of his face expression

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LoL, maybe I'll replace it with that Death Valley thermometer on the Bun Boy out in Baker. Would you get sick of that? 😛
 
I feel essentially the same way about OMM as random. It's fun to do it on friends and family that are not sick, but beyond that, it is hardly anything that sold me and I didn't go in close minded either. After the infernal homeopathy and naturopathy lecture that we got in OMM (which I believe got removed), I could not wait to pass the PE and never look back. Shame I still have to take Step 3 so it's not totally over for me.


I have to add that they do plan to add more online lectures and quizzes to purge us of senoritis post match, so I'll let you all know how well we respond to that. We will be the first year they do this, so hopefully if we lash back hard enough, 2014 will be spared the pointlessness of what they're trying to pull. Our class is relatively known for complaining so if we can help the future classes some more, it would be great, even if they can't wait for us to get out the door.

They still do the Complimentary and Alternative Medicine lecture and lab. Those in the rat cage that day (for all you applicants, this is not the main OMM lab) were quite lucky as it permitted excellent opportunities for napping and/or playing on your phones...

I sure hope your class helps mine out by complaining. Naturally, the only changes the school implements quickly are either poorly considered (such as the recent inclusion, then exclusion, then altered re-inclusion of an "Honors" category for clinicals) or, by design, steal what little pleasures students have, such as post-match senioritis...
 
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