Nova Southeastern Univ (NSU-COM) Discussion Thread 2012 - 2013

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I think you'll get in this cycle. 29 MCAT is good. But you should just submit NSU; there are no essays.

I think last year's MD application cycle was really rough, regardless of your URM status. Being a URM is no guarantee of an acceptance, although it does help, but rightly so for the reasons you mentioned. It's tough for you, because if you don't get in, people think you're dumb. If you do get in, people think it's because you're black. But you know what, when you get in, it won't matter what other people think, because what really matters is that your going to be a physician, and you're going to help people. And because of your background and experiences, you're more likely to work in communities that relate to you, and that's what we need. Good luck and don't let haters hate.

Most of this is true, except the part where a 3.4/29 white applicant most likely doesn't get in, whereas a 3.4/29 black applicant very likely does get in simply because of their racial background. If I get into MD with my stats, it's partly because I'm a URM and the same is true for kgpremed11. People want special treatment, but when they get something partly because of those special policies, they want to act like it didn't help them and they could've done it on their own. You can't have it both ways. Consider it this way. Lots of people talk about how white kids have it easier because they go to better schools and whatever else. So those white kids got in partly because they're white and had access to more opportunities. Those same people talk about how URMs have less opportunities, but ADCOMs try to balance it out for them. It follows then that those kids get in partly because they're black. Why is that so terrible? Stereotypical rich white kid gets in because of a better education. Stereotypical black kid gets in because of URM policies. You get in any way you can. Take advantage of the opportunities given to you. Keep your head down, work hard, and don't worry about what other people are doing.
 
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I never said minorities didn't get in with lower stats. I said people blow it out of proportion. What are you trying to prove with this post? I sure people have all seen and thought about those numbers before. Minorities face an uphill battle with med school admissions you will never have to experience. A lot of us are born into poverty and attend the worst public schools in America, only to get to college and have to compete with people who went to good schools, private schools, and have successful parents. The people who set the standards for med school admissions seem to understand this, but a lot of applicants can't. Im not saying all minorities are poor or everyone in the majority is rich, but minorities tend to be a lot more disadvantaged.

oh man, im really laughing at this one. i paid for all my applications out of my savings which i earned by working 40 hours a week while going to school. I went an F fcat high school (fcat being state standardized test) so we received very little funding for our school and was about as poor as you can get. the fact is, the economy today is ****. it isnt just minorities that are suffering economically; it's everyone. "minorities tend to be a lot more disadvantaged", does that justify helping every minority regardless of their economic status and disregarding every white person? I had so many challenges I had to overcome, but basically because im white that doesn't matter as much, had I been a URM. Thats basically what this process says. Every white male male is assumed to be this wealthy stockbrocker. I would like to see some of you come to my town, and tell all the white homeless men/women that they're "priveleged because they're white". That would be rich.

The point that I makes, and a lot of others make is that you can't justify giving an entire race such a huge advantage while overlooking individuals. Focusing on groups rather than individuals is ignorance, and labeling an individual's needs based on their race, is blatant stereotyping.


Also lets be honest, if you're motivated enough it should hardly even matter what high school you go to. That's completely irrelevant. Every high school has books..lol. Some may not be top quality, but it doesn't matter.

That being said, I have no problem with you playing the URM card if you're black. If I was in your shoes, Id play it too. I would think it's really lame, but of course id play it. Med school admissions is tough, use whatever advantage you can get.
 
oh man, im really laughing at this one. i paid for all my applications out of my savings which i earned by working 40 hours a week while going to school. I went an F fcat high school (fcat being state standardized test) so we received very little funding for our school and was about as poor as you can get. the fact is, the economy today is ****. it isnt just minorities that are suffering economically; it's everyone. "minorities tend to be a lot more disadvantaged", does that justify helping every minority regardless of their economic status and disregarding every white person? I had so many challenges I had to overcome, but basically because im white that doesn't matter as much, had I been a URM. Thats basically what this process says. Every white male male is assumed to be this wealthy stockbrocker. I would like to see some of you come to my town, and tell all the white homeless men/women that they're "priveleged because they're white". That would be rich.

The point that Medpr makes, and a lot of others make is that you can't justify giving an entire race such a huge advantage while overlooking individuals. Focusing on groups rather than individuals is ignorance, and labeling an individual's needs based on their race, is blatant stereotyping.

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Current URM system sucks. Its goal is great, but the way it's currently setup is absolutely awful. Also, I'm still paying for secondaries. Credit card balance is going down every 2 weeks, just very very slowly.
 
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Current URM system sucks. Its goal is great, but the way it's currently setup is absolutely awful. Also, I'm still paying for secondaries. Credit card balance is going down every 2 weeks, just very very slowly.

yeah, I agree that the goal is great but the system is awful and the fact is that while there are a lot of qualified minorities that can make it through med school, there is still a good amount that can't and they're matriculating and doing poorly. Someone posted some pretty eye opening statistics recently. It's a little messed up that the average mcat for AA DO is a 22. Chances are with a 22 MCAT score and a really low GPA, they're going to have some issues in med school. I think the SMP linkage programs specifically designed for URMs are what we need to aim for; they weed out URMs that arent qualified while providing oppurtunity to URMs that are and just need a chance. And I thnk some are free to URMs too.
 
yeah, I agree that the goal is great but the system is awful and the fact is that while there are a lot of qualified minorities that can make it through med school, there is still a good amount that can't and they're matriculating and doing poorly. Someone posted some pretty eye opening statistics recently. It's a little messed up that the average mcat for AA DO is a 22. Chances are with a 22 MCAT score and a really low GPA, they're going to have some issues in med school. I think the SMP linkage programs specifically designed for URMs are what we need to aim for; they weed out URMs that arent qualified while providing oppurtunity to URMs that are and just need a chance. And I thnk some are free to URMs too.


Yea I remember seeing that. Doesn't make sense to me that you would matriculate so many people with MCAT scores below the national average for test takers when there are probably many more with at least decent MCAT scores. Diversity is important, but there are probably many statistically qualified URMs out there who would get in regardless of the color of their skin.

Your idea about SMPs is good. Give low stat/underqualified people a chance there and if they succeed, give them a second look for med school. If they don't succeed, then less harm is done and a medical school spot wasn't wasted.
 
yeah, I agree that the goal is great but the system is awful and the fact is that while there are a lot of qualified minorities that can make it through med school, there is still a good amount that can't and they're matriculating and doing poorly. Someone posted some pretty eye opening statistics recently. It's a little messed up that the average mcat for AA DO is a 22. Chances are with a 22 MCAT score and a really low GPA, they're going to have some issues in med school. I think the SMP linkage programs specifically designed for URMs are what we need to aim for; they weed out URMs that arent qualified while providing oppurtunity to URMs that are and just need a chance. And I thnk some are free to URMs too.

People applying to MD schools probably say the same thing about D.O students. with the 25-26 average MCAT and all....

And dude you have a 3.25 gpa and a 26 MCAT? And you are trying to belittle people? Why is this world full of people who want to feel superior to others while hardly being superior?
 
People applying to MD schools probably say the same thing about D.O students. with the 25-26 average MCAT and all....

1. average for DO school is 26-27
2. the "magic number" is 26. Statistically speaking, under a 26 a person is at risk for having trouble with med school (not that I personally believe in this one but oh well). This was pretty much quoted from several people who know what theyre talking about.
3. theres a huge difference between a 26 and a 22. A 26 is closer to 60th percentile, a 22 is prob like 30th percentile? I dont remember.
4. Someone posted a ton of statistics on this that people who skate by with very low stats due to URM status are probably going to have trouble in med school.

note that, I don't think everyone is the same. some people do poor on the mcat/gpa and just go on and own med school. Im talking from a statistics point of view.

alright, im done with urm posts for the rest of the week.
 
1. average for DO school is 26-27
2. the "magic number" is 26. Statistically speaking, under a 26 a person is at risk for having trouble with med school (not that I personally believe in this one but oh well). This was pretty much quoted from several people who know what theyre talking about.
3. theres a huge difference between a 26 and a 22. A 26 is closer to 60th percentile, a 22 is prob like 30th percentile? I dont remember.
4. Someone posted a ton of statistics on this that people who skate by with very low stats due to URM status are probably going to have trouble in med school.

note that, I don't think everyone is the same. some people do poor on the mcat/gpa and just go on and own med school. Im talking from a statistics point of view.

alright, im done with urm posts for the rest of the week.


Why did you jump into it in the first place? I seriously forgot why all this even started. So I'm done with it.


 
People applying to MD schools probably say the same thing about D.O students. with the 25-26 average MCAT and all....

And dude you have a 3.25 gpa and a 26 MCAT? And you are trying to belittle people? Why is this world full of people who want to feel superior to others while hardly being superior?

that's stupid, I never once claimed to be superior, the fact that you take a personal shot at my stats makes you seem pretty ignorant to me. I rarely belittle, in fact I encourage many people on here. I've been talking about generalizations, and the fact that you want to get personal...on an anoymous internet forum. I could of said I had a 4.0 39 MCAT. At least im honest with my stats, im sure quite a few people arent.

Im also highly skeptical that you received no interviews from MD with those stats you claim, unless you did something incredibly stupid.
 
that's stupid, I never once claimed to be superior, the fact that you take a personal shot at my stats makes you seem pretty ignorant to me. I rarely belittle, in fact I encourage many people on here. I've been talking about generalizations, and the fact that you want to get personal...on an anoymous internet forum. I could of said I had a 4.0 39 MCAT. At least im honest with my stats, im sure quite a few people arent.

Im also highly skeptical that you received no interviews from MD with those stats you claim, unless you did something incredibly stupid.

I thought you were done for the week😕? I have never been to this site before, it has a lot of good info but I feel like Im on youtube commenting back and forth with some 12y/o kid.
 
I thought you were done for the week😕? I have never been to this site before, it has a lot of good info but I feel like Im on youtube commenting back and forth with some 12y/o kid.

lol you have to be a troll, well played troll...go back to youtube.
 
yeah, I agree that the goal is great but the system is awful and the fact is that while there are a lot of qualified minorities that can make it through med school, there is still a good amount that can't and they're matriculating and doing poorly. Someone posted some pretty eye opening statistics recently. It's a little messed up that the average mcat for AA DO is a 22. Chances are with a 22 MCAT score and a really low GPA, they're going to have some issues in med school. I think the SMP linkage programs specifically designed for URMs are what we need to aim for; they weed out URMs that arent qualified while providing oppurtunity to URMs that are and just need a chance. And I thnk some are free to URMs too.

How am I the troll when you are the one attacking AA applicants? The stuff you are saying has no basis in fact.


1. average for DO school is 26-27
2. the "magic number" is 26. Statistically speaking, under a 26 a person is at risk for having trouble with med school (not that I personally believe in this one but oh well). This was pretty much quoted from several people who know what theyre talking about.
3. theres a huge difference between a 26 and a 22. A 26 is closer to 60th percentile, a 22 is prob like 30th percentile? I dont remember.
4. Someone posted a ton of statistics on this that people who skate by with very low stats due to URM status are probably going to have trouble in med school.

note that, I don't think everyone is the same. some people do poor on the mcat/gpa and just go on and own med school. Im talking from a statistics point of view.

alright, im done with urm posts for the rest of the week.

And since you got a 26 on the MCAT, then everyone below a 26 statistically has problems in med school? "The magic number is 26." Thats really arrogant.
 
lolol. really though, i wonder how many II they gave out so far? seems like a lot.

Eh it's still early. At least it seems like they are sending them out regularly unlike some other schools which is frustrating.
 
Dude no one attacked AA applicants ... get over it. Cant we stay focused on real stuff like upcoming interviews and thinking positive.
 
How am I the troll when you are the one attacking AA applicants? The stuff you are saying has no basis in fact.




And since you got a 26 on the MCAT, then everyone below a 26 statistically has problems in med school? "The magic number is 26." Thats really arrogant.

1. http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=933373 post 46. yeah you can be quiet now. obviously not attacking AA im talking from a statisical point of view that is backed up.

2. I didnt make up that number and dont think a 26 is awesome, if anything it's decent. That number is quoted from LizzyM, an adcom, and a few others. She pointed out that statistically from 26 and higher mcat has little correlation with test scores while lower than 26 can be troublesome. I would assume that most AA applicants that get into MD with a 26 have a good balance of ECs to help, and that adcoms look past this because they realize they're probably smart enough to do well in med school. A 22 is a different story.

if you have any other concerns or butthurt you need addressed feel free to PM me. I feel bad hijacking this thread when this isnt for debate.
 
Eh it's still early. At least it seems like they are sending them out regularly unlike some other schools which is frustrating.

yeah, a few schools havent even started sending them out yet. and some schools send them out in batches then seem to go on hiatus for a bit, lol. maybe they need a vacation away from neurotic premeds..
 
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NOVA is giving everyone loose buttholes .....

Not at all. Somebody has to be the adult and stop the arguing or else it goes on forever. I really like this school, and Florida is beautiful. The only partial negative about this place is the cost of living. I researched living on campus but, that's really expensive as well and you only get a studio apartment.
 
Most of this is true, except the part where a 3.4/29 white applicant most likely doesn't get in, whereas a 3.4/29 black applicant very likely does get in simply because of their racial background. If I get into MD with my stats, it's partly because I'm a URM and the same is true for kgpremed11. People want special treatment, but when they get something partly because of those special policies, they want to act like it didn't help them and they could've done it on their own. You can't have it both ways. Consider it this way. Lots of people talk about how white kids have it easier because they go to better schools and whatever else. So those white kids got in partly because they're white and had access to more opportunities. Those same people talk about how URMs have less opportunities, but ADCOMs try to balance it out for them. It follows then that those kids get in partly because they're black. Why is that so terrible? Stereotypical rich white kid gets in because of a better education. Stereotypical black kid gets in because of URM policies. You get in any way you can. Take advantage of the opportunities given to you. Keep your head down, work hard, and don't worry about what other people are doing.

What a brilliant post! Well said. 👍
 
Looking forward to interviewing here!
 
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soooo, how about those pesky little iis? ((trying to get back to what most of us come to this thread for))
 
soooo, how about those pesky little iis? ((trying to get back to what most of us come to this thread for))

I'm stoked about what one person said about getting to use the simulation lab during the ii!!! That would be awesome! It probably seems like they are giving out a lot of interviews because... well... there are a lot of spots to fill!
 
People applying to MD schools probably say the same thing about D.O students. with the 25-26 average MCAT and all....

And dude you have a 3.25 gpa and a 26 MCAT? And you are trying to belittle people? Why is this world full of people who want to feel superior to others while hardly being superior?

You don't need to have high stats to recognize the facts and have an opinion. A 22 is a far cry from a 26. Also, having higher stats doesn't make you superior despite the fact that you aluded to that. I have a 3.28 AACOMAS science GPA and a 3.00 AMCAS BCPM. Does that mean that I can't tell someone with a 3.4 that they have a low BCPM? Of course not. A 3.4 is a low BCPM. Mine is lower, but that has nothing to do with it.

How am I the troll when you are the one attacking AA applicants? The stuff you are saying has no basis in fact.



And since you got a 26 on the MCAT, then everyone below a 26 statistically has problems in med school? "The magic number is 26." Thats really arrogant.

26 is at least above average. 22 is 3.1 points below average. Also, people regularly matriculate with a 26.. not so for a 22. The average AA DO matriculant has a 22. If you feel attacked because someone brings that fact to your attention, that's your problem.

soooo, how about those pesky little iis? ((trying to get back to what most of us come to this thread for))

Haven't heard of any recently, but my interview is on Tuesday and I'm still a little worried about the weather. :scared:
 
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Haven't heard of any recently, but my interview is on Tuesday and I'm still a little worried about the weather. :scared:

Stay cool, bro. The school is closed tomorrow but is expected to resume Tuesday morning. So far today, there has just been a lot of rain- some persistent drizzling and intermittent heavy downpour that lasts about 15 minutes. Haven't lost power yet, so no biggie. Honestly, I've been through much worse.

I'll keep SDN up-to-date with a live weather update later tonight as the storm gets closer.

This is NeuroLAX, back to you MedPR 😉
 
Stay cool, bro. The school is closed tomorrow but is expected to resume Tuesday morning. So far today, there has just been a lot of rain- some persistent drizzling and intermittent heavy downpour that lasts about 15 minutes. Haven't lost power yet, so no biggie. Honestly, I've been through much worse.

I'll keep SDN up-to-date with a live weather update later tonight as the storm gets closer.

This is NeuroLAX, back to you MedPR 😉

Closed due to weather? F. I'm getting on a plan in the morning unless I get a phone call saying not to come. Is there a lot of strong wind? Being on a plane when the wind is really blowing = not fun.
 
Closed due to weather? F. I'm getting on a plan in the morning unless I get a phone call saying not to come. Is there a lot of strong wind? Being on a plane when the wind is really blowing = not fun.

At the moment it is not windy.
 
I've been keeping up with weather and it's only supposed to get better. Southwest says my flight is still set to depart at 6 AM. I think we're going to be good 🙂
 
At the moment it is not windy.

I've been keeping up with weather and it's only supposed to get better. Southwest says my flight is still set to depart at 6 AM. I think we're going to be good 🙂

Yea check that link I posted above. It looks like Fort Lauderdale is going to be fine.

My flight is at 10AM. You know hampton inn has an airport shuttle right?
 
Yea check that link I posted above. It looks like Fort Lauderdale is going to be fine.

My flight is at 10AM. You know hampton inn has an airport shuttle right?

the hurricane is going to take you away medpr :O. but seriously im i live in central florida and theres been rain but nothing bad here.
 
the hurricane is going to take you away medpr :O. but seriously im i live in central florida and theres been rain but nothing bad here.

just curious, how often do you guys have to worry about dangerous weather conditions?
 
just curious, how often do you guys have to worry about dangerous weather conditions?
I can tell you my 1st three years the worst its progressed was to tropical storm level. The winds were never strong enough to blow me to sea, It's really the clouds that look menacing. More bark than bite.

That said I hope the weather resolves before I fly back there for rurals.
 
the hurricane is going to take you away medpr :O. but seriously im i live in central florida and theres been rain but nothing bad here.

On Thursday night I was pretty worried about the storm.. Then as time passed and more and more data showed the storm moving westward toward the gulf I became less concerned. At this point, I'm worried primarily about 3 things.

1. Strong wind blowing a tree branch into me and ruining my suit
2. Too many students canceling and therefore interviews become 5 on 1
3. Anything else that could happen to ruin my suit



Thanks!

Thank you hurricane for all the cancellations! Just bumped my interview here up to 9/13 👍

Nice.
 
Anyway I find the weather exciting when it's terrible (thunderstorms, dark black clouds, pelting rains) and I'm at home with nothing to do. When I have to drive somewhere It becomes more annoying and I have to leave extra early because it's raining like crazy. But the weather down here is bipolar, with rain and thunderclaps coming and going, and you can drive from a violently rainy area to a clear skies in minutes.
 
just curious, how often do you guys have to worry about dangerous weather conditions?

I think I read somewhere that FL hasn't been hit by a hurricane in 90 years? I live in the midwest so tornadoes are a constant nuisance during the spring and summer months, but people here are pretty desensitized to them as I'm sure FL people are desensitized to hurricanes and tropical storms. You can adjust to anything if it's around enough.
 
I think I read somewhere that FL hasn't been hit by a hurricane in 90 years? I live in the midwest so tornadoes are a constant nuisance during the spring and summer months, but people here are pretty desensitized to them as I'm sure FL people are desensitized to hurricanes and tropical storms. You can adjust to anything if it's around enough.

I'm not sure where you heard that from, but it's not true at all. I've personally experienced Opal, Charley, Frances, Ivan, Dennis and Wilma, all within the past ~17 years. BUT, the track of Isaac has it going more and more westward everyday. I think now it is supposed to hit Louisiana dead on. I'm almost positive the most we will get (Davie included) is a little rain and minor wind. I am sure the 28th interview will go completely as planned except for the few that moved their date to a later slot.
 
just curious, how often do you guys have to worry about dangerous weather conditions?

Very rarely. The last hurricane was 2005, and tropical storms are just severe thunderstorms IMO. Definitely nothing to get hyped up about.
 
I'm not sure where you heard that from, but it's not true at all. I've personally experienced Opal, Charley, Frances, Ivan, Dennis and Wilma, all within the past ~17 years. BUT, the track of Isaac has it going more and more westward everyday. I think now it is supposed to hit Louisiana dead on. I'm almost positive the most we will get (Davie included) is a little rain and minor wind. I am sure the 28th interview will go completely as planned except for the few that moved their date to a later slot.

I think it was a comment on CNN, lol. Seemed a little farfetched.
 
On Thursday night I was pretty worried about the storm.. Then as time passed and more and more data showed the storm moving westward toward the gulf I became less concerned. At this point, I'm worried primarily about 3 things.

1. Strong wind blowing a tree branch into me and ruining my suit
2. Too many students canceling and therefore interviews become 5 on 1
3. Anything else that could happen to ruin my suit



Nice.

haha sounds like you are more worried about your suit than anything else.🙂
 
Yea check that link I posted above. It looks like Fort Lauderdale is going to be fine.

My flight is at 10AM. You know hampton inn has an airport shuttle right?

Yup and I plan on using that baby like no tomorrow
 
I think I read somewhere that FL hasn't been hit by a hurricane in 90 years? I live in the midwest so tornadoes are a constant nuisance during the spring and summer months, but people here are pretty desensitized to them as I'm sure FL people are desensitized to hurricanes and tropical storms. You can adjust to anything if it's around enough.

Yeah dude that is farrrr from true. You've heard of Hurricane Andrew right? It was so bad that the name has been retired.

Anyways, there are always people who freak out when they hear a storm coming and rush to Walmart, Home Depot, etc. to get food and batteries. But for the most part we are desensitized. A tropical storm is typically nothing more than one of our severe thunderstorms.
 
haha sounds like you are more worried about your suit than anything else.🙂

At this point I am. I neither have the time nor money to get another one.

Yup and I plan on using that baby like no tomorrow

Same 🙂 Are you flying back home after the interview? I need to find out if NSU or the hotel will let us leave bags there since hotel checkout is 11am.

Yeah dude that is farrrr from true. You've heard of Hurricane Andrew right? It was so bad that the name has been retired.

Anyways, there are always people who freak out when they hear a storm coming and rush to Walmart, Home Depot, etc. to get food and batteries. But for the most part we are desensitized. A tropical storm is typically nothing more than one of our severe thunderstorms.

I have, but wasn't that back in the early 90s? I'm not much on history. Katrina is the only recent hurricane I can remember.
 
At this point I am. I neither have the time nor money to get another one.



Same 🙂 Are you flying back home after the interview? I need to find out if NSU or the hotel will let us leave bags there since hotel checkout is 11am.



I have, but wasn't that back in the early 90s? I'm not much on history. Katrina is the only recent hurricane I can remember.

Yeah my flight is at 550 I think. I may just have to cab it over depending on the schedule.
 
Yeah my flight is at 550 I think. I may just have to cab it over depending on the schedule.

Mine is at 410. Hopefully I didn't schedule it too early... If I remember correctly, NSU is only about 5 miles from the airport so it wouldn't be an expensive cab ride 🙂
 
Mine is at 410. Hopefully I didn't schedule it too early... If I remember correctly, NSU is only about 5 miles from the airport so it wouldn't be an expensive cab ride 🙂

Yeah I thought I read in last years thread that the school has a closet for you to store luggage. But I've read so many threads that they're probably all blurring at this point.
 
Yeah I thought I read in last years thread that the school has a closet for you to store luggage. But I've read so many threads that they're probably all blurring at this point.

Gah, same here. I know AZCOM has an office for students to leave luggage. The most important thing I'm bringing with me is my suit.. so I'm not too worried about anything disappearing or getting stolen.
 
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