Official 2009/2010 rank list help thread

[Scaredshizzles]

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Vandy should be close to the top for cards. I interviewed that last year for the fast-track medicine/cardiology program (ABIM Research Track), and I can tell you that it was probably one of the most rigorous medicine programs I saw out there (rivaling what I saw in Boston and Baltimore), and they have a sick amount of NIH research dollars in their department of cardiology. To top that, they are nice people!

Yea, I suppose Vanderbilt should be up there. Do you feel it is better than UW for someone interested in cards? I don't know why I put OHSU ahead of them actually, I guess I've just heard some good things about them.

 

[Scottish Chap]

Yea, I suppose Vanderbilt should be up there. Do you feel it is better than UW for someone interested in cards? I don't know why I put OHSU ahead of them actually, I guess I've just heard some good things about them.

I never applied to UW, but my old boss used to head up cardiology out there; same thing - amazing clinical department, and massive infusion of research funding.

 

[IMDoc2010]

Hi guys!!!
New member, but I have been coming here throughout med school for advice. I am interested in GI, and would like some advise on how to rank these program!!!

In no particular order;
Rush University (Chicago)
Temple University (Philly)
Thomas Jefferson (Philly)
Einsten-Montefiore (Bronx)
Boston University (Boston)
SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
Cleveland Clinic (Cleveland)

Thanks and G'luck everybody in this very random application year!!!

 

[souljah1]

Vandy should be close to the top for cards. I interviewed there last year for the fast-track medicine/cardiology program (ABIM Research Track), and I can tell you that it was probably one of the most rigorous medicine programs I saw out there (rivaling what I saw in Boston and Baltimore), and they have a sick amount of NIH research dollars in their department of cardiology. To top that, they are nice people!

I have a friend who is a cardiology fellow at CU and this person thinks that the residents are too coddled and protected from learning how to properly manage sick cardiac patients. They almost reflexively ask the fellow to make sure their interpretation of the ECG is correct, to ask them which pressor to choose, to help them with the central line, etc. Very different experience than where this fellow trained and it freaked them out. They initially tried to bounce it back to the resident by saying things like "Well, what pressor were you thinking of choosing" or "How do you interpret this ECG", etc - he got reported for his teaching technique. That, to me, if very strange.

 

[ResidentMD]

I have a friend who is a cardiology fellow at CU and this person thinks that the residents are too coddled and protected from learning how to properly manage sick cardiac patients. They almost reflexively ask the fellow to make sure their interpretation of the ECG is correct, to ask them which pressor to choose, to help them with the central line, etc. Very different experience than where this fellow trained and it freaked them out. They initially tried to bounce it back to the resident by saying things like "Well, what pressor were you thinking of choosing" or "How do you interpret this ECG", etc - he got reported for his teaching technique. That, to me, if very strange.

Regardless of whether that happened at CU or not, reporting something like that is VERY strange.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Regardless of whether that happened at CU or not, reporting something like that is VERY strange.

Did he get in trouble for it, or just a peer evaluation mentioned it? I can see the latter happening, no big deal...I'm guessing the fellow didn't bounce back the questions in the most pleasant mannerism...we've all seen that, where some people are just ridiculously antagonistic in their "teaching method."

 

[ResidentMD]

Did he get in trouble for it, or just a peer evaluation mentioned it? I can see the latter happening, no big deal...I'm guessing the fellow didn't bounce back the questions in the most pleasant mannerism...we've all seen that, where some people are just ridiculously antagonistic in their "teaching method."

Agreed.

 

[Frugal Traveler]

I never applied to UW, but my old boss used to head up cardiology out there; same thing - amazing clinical department, and massive infusion of research funding.

I agree about UW. It's an impressive place with excellent training/research.

 

[Frugal Traveler]

I have a friend who is a cardiology fellow at CU and this person thinks that the residents are too coddled and protected from learning how to properly manage sick cardiac patients. They almost reflexively ask the fellow to make sure their interpretation of the ECG is correct, to ask them which pressor to choose, to help them with the central line, etc. Very different experience than where this fellow trained and it freaked them out. They initially tried to bounce it back to the resident by saying things like "Well, what pressor were you thinking of choosing" or "How do you interpret this ECG", etc - he got reported for his teaching technique. That, to me, if very strange.

What is CU an abbreviation for?

 

[yankeescard]

What is CU an abbreviation for?

I'm assuming Colorado (but could very well be Columbia)

 

[IMDoc2010]

Anybody???

Hi guys!!!
New member, but I have been coming here throughout med school for advice. I am interested in GI, and would like some advise on how to rank these program!!!

In no particular order;
Rush University (Chicago)
Temple University (Philly)
Thomas Jefferson (Philly)
Einsten-Montefiore (Bronx)
Boston University (Boston)
SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
Cleveland Clinic (Cleveland)

Thanks and G'luck everybody in this very random application year!!!

 

[docmmm]

anybody?? please help!

hi,
i'd appreciate any help! i'm interested in GI, location doesn't really matter, would like a program with good teaching and camaraderie.

rush
loyola
dartmouth
osu
univ hospitals case
u of minnesota
u of nebraska
u of utah
wake forest
iowa
kumc
u of vermont
umass
urochester

thanks!

 

[Scaredshizzles]

anybody?? please help!

A lot of those are at a similar level as far as IM in general is concerned. Look at their individual match lists for GI, consider where you want to live, considered the size of the program you want to be at (Dartmouth for example is a very small university based program, which can be a nice thing).

I would say Iowa, Case, Utah, Minnesota, OSU, Dartmouth and URoch might be at a somewhat higher level than the others as far as IM reputations goes, but they are relatively similar.

 

[IMDoc2010]

Hi Scaredshizzles,

Do you mind taking a look at my list as well???

A lot of those are at a similar level as far as IM in general is concerned. Look at their individual match lists for GI, consider where you want to live, considered the size of the program you want to be at (Dartmouth for example is a very small university based program, which can be a nice thing).

I would say Iowa, Case, Utah, Minnesota, OSU, Dartmouth and URoch might be at a somewhat higher level than the others as far as IM reputations goes, but they are relatively similar.

 

[LadyJubilee8_18]

YAY I finally get to do this as I have an idea of all my interview places! Ok, I'm looking to do rheumatology, but I want awesome clinical training first. I want to work hard, but not kill myself as a resident. I'd rather be warm, but I could stand almost anything for 3 years.

Vandy
Baylor
Emory
Case Western
Southwestern
Duke
Columbia
Washu
UT Houston

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Anybody???

and would like some advise on how to rank these program!!!

In no particular order;
Rush University (Chicago)
Temple University (Philly)
Thomas Jefferson (Philly)
Einsten-Montefiore (Bronx)
Boston University (Boston)
SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
Cleveland Clinic (Cleveland)


1. BU
2. Cleveland Clinic
3. Jefferson=Montefiore=Downstate

Honestly know very little about Rush and Temple. I think Downstate takes about 5-6 of their own for GI most years, and so most people who want GI and are willing to work hard for it, will probably get it. Get a feel for the program, if you're willing to work hard at resources poor county hospital, and like working with the underserved, which can be frustrating at times...might be a decent option.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

YAY I finally get to do this as I have an idea of all my interview places! Ok, I'm looking to do rheumatology, but I want awesome clinical training first. I want to work hard, but not kill myself as a resident. I'd rather be warm, but I could stand almost anything for 3 years.

Vandy
Baylor
Emory
Case Western
Southwestern
Duke
Columbia
Washu
UT Houston

I must say, not too many people coming out of the sort of programs you interviewed at wind up in rheumatology. I commend you for your commitment, anything in particular that makes you interested in rheum? I imagine the lifestyle is pretty good.

In the case of getting the best rheum fellowships, probably the majority of programs on your list can get you almost any rheum fellowship you could want. Lupus heavy areas (urban settings with large minority populations) are probably the places which have the most reputable rheum programs...But the caveat should be that Lupus heavy areas probably don't see as many of the real awesome zebras out there in rheum---which seem to be more common in rural areas of this country, for whatever the reason.

Strictly on IM reputation, I would say
1. Duke
2. Columbia=Wash U
3. UTSW=Vandy
4. Baylor
5. Emory=Case
6. UTH

I think Duke might be the best place for you, although it certainly isn't a "cush" residency...but you'll learn a ton of great stuff to make you a great generalist I'm sure.

 

[Phineus]

YAY I finally get to do this as I have an idea of all my interview places! Ok, I'm looking to do rheumatology, but I want awesome clinical training first. I want to work hard, but not kill myself as a resident. I'd rather be warm, but I could stand almost anything for 3 years.

Vandy
Baylor
Emory
Case Western
Southwestern
Duke
Columbia
Washu
UT Houston

Best IM training based on reputation: Duke > Columbia =Vandy =UTSW =WashU > Baylor= Emory > Case > UT-H.

As for a Rhem fellowship: Columbia in NYC puts you around Hosp for Spec Surgery and NYU, both strong for that.

I am surprised you don't have Cornell on (getting a Columbia IV seems to be more difficult from what I have heard).

Overall, I think you have a good number of "top tier" programs, and speaking historically you shouldn't go that far down your list (more likely to get #1 than any other). In addition, you want to do a traditionally less competitive fellowship so I am sure any of your top 5 would easily land you in a "top tier" Rheum spot.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Best IM training based on reputation: Duke > Columbia =Vandy =UTSW =WashU > Baylor= Emory > Case > UT-H.

As for a Rhem fellowship: Columbia in NYC puts you around Hosp for Spec Surgery and NYU, both strong for that.

I am surprised you don't have Cornell on (getting a Columbia IV seems to be more difficult from what I have heard).

Overall, I think you have a good number of "top tier" programs, and speaking historically you shouldn't go that far down your list (more likely to get #1 than any other). In addition, you want to do a traditionally less competitive fellowship so I am sure any of your top 5 would easily land you in a "top tier" Rheum spot.

I'm not so sure that Vandy and UTSW are quite at the same level as Columbia and Wash U as far as IM programs are concerned. UTSW has gained some name recognition lately due to their medical school name getting ranked higher and what not. But I kind of view that as a transient sort of thing...It is kind of like those years when Yale or Princeton beat out Harvard for best undergrad in the US world rankings....In the long run, Harvard will always be the more impressive name---Almost everyone who is even remotely educated in the world knows what Harvard is, regardless of what US News rankings might say in one particular year. I think the same applies to medicine programs. A Vandy or a UTSW may be getting attention as of late, but a Wash U or a UPenn, or a Columbia or a Duke, have much more enduring name recognition in the medicine realm.

 

[ResidentMD]

Best IM training based on reputation: Duke > Columbia =Vandy =UTSW =WashU > Baylor= Emory > Case > UT-H.

As for a Rhem fellowship: Columbia in NYC puts you around Hosp for Spec Surgery and NYU, both strong for that.

I am surprised you don't have Cornell on (getting a Columbia IV seems to be more difficult from what I have heard).

Overall, I think you have a good number of "top tier" programs, and speaking historically you shouldn't go that far down your list (more likely to get #1 than any other). In addition, you want to do a traditionally less competitive fellowship so I am sure any of your top 5 would easily land you in a "top tier" Rheum spot.

I must say, not too many people coming out of the sort of programs you interviewed at wind up in rheumatology. I commend you for your commitment, anything in particular that makes you interested in rheum? I imagine the lifestyle is pretty good.

In the case of getting the best rheum fellowships, probably the majority of programs on your list can get you almost any rheum fellowship you could want. Lupus heavy areas (urban settings with large minority populations) are probably the places which have the most reputable rheum programs...But the caveat should be that Lupus heavy areas probably don't see as many of the real awesome zebras out there in rheum---which seem to be more common in rural areas of this country, for whatever the reason.

Strictly on IM reputation, I would say
1. Duke
2. Columbia=Wash U
3. UTSW=Vandy
4. Baylor
5. Emory=Case
6. UTH

I think Duke might be the best place for you, although it certainly isn't a "cush" residency...but you'll learn a ton of great stuff to make you a great generalist I'm sure.

Hi LJ, I havent been to too many programs that you have listed there - but from what I hear on SDN....and for what you are looking for, Duke should be your rank 1. Then Columbia (but then the cold - as you say). Columbia probably carries the prestige and possibly the training, but then UTSW, Baylor, Emory and Vandy will keep you warm, and give you excellent clinical training (though I hear UTSW isnt for everyone). I really dont think you should have an issue matching into your #1 choice for Rheum from any of these programs (as well as WashU) - so I think in your case, your gut feeling should REALLY dominate over everything else (Cards and GI people often need to strategize). If you feel good in warm place, just rank your southern places above others - you should match into your #1 for Rheum from these - with your kind of commitment (and the CV that you already seem to have) . I remember you having calls from the west - I dont know what you thought of those.

If you want to go to some other region for fellowships, (e.g. to Brighams or Stanford/UCSF), then you may want to talk it out with the PD from your rank 2 onwards (I dont think Duke should have an issue with that), whether it is possible or not. In answer to such a question, PDs will often give you a name of the person they know in that particular program in that particular department.

Also, for what its worth, the Vandy PD is a Rheum person and has been around for a LONG time - so obviously more connections. Something to consider - as I remember you once earlier stating that you were considering that program strongly.

 

[LadyJubilee8_18]

I must say, not too many people coming out of the sort of programs you interviewed at wind up in rheumatology. I commend you for your commitment, anything in particular that makes you interested in rheum? I imagine the lifestyle is pretty good.

In the case of getting the best rheum fellowships, probably the majority of programs on your list can get you almost any rheum fellowship you could want. Lupus heavy areas (urban settings with large minority populations) are probably the places which have the most reputable rheum programs...But the caveat should be that Lupus heavy areas probably don't see as many of the real awesome zebras out there in rheum---which seem to be more common in rural areas of this country, for whatever the reason.

Strictly on IM reputation, I would say
1. Duke
2. Columbia=Wash U
3. UTSW=Vandy
4. Baylor
5. Emory=Case
6. UTH

I think Duke might be the best place for you, although it certainly isn't a "cush" residency...but you'll learn a ton of great stuff to make you a great generalist I'm sure.

thanks to all for the advice. I actually didnt apply to cornell. I only applied to Columbia because a rheum researcher who i have a brain crush on did some work out of there. The program was fabulous though. Rheum offers everything i want in a practice: long term close patient relationships, interesting pathology, psych involvement, women's health, etc. also i have family members with rheum disorders so it's more peresonal to me. i think Duke, Columbia, and Vandy are really up there for me for different reasons. NYC may be too expensive though. anyway thanks again!

 

[Phineus]

thanks to all for the advice. I actually didnt apply to cornell. I only applied to Columbia because a rheum researcher who i have a brain crush on did some work out of there. The program was fabulous though. Rheum offers everything i want in a practice: long term close patient relationships, interesting pathology, psych involvement, women's health, etc. also i have family members with rheum disorders so it's more peresonal to me. i think Duke, Columbia, and Vandy are really up there for me for different reasons. NYC may be too expensive though. anyway thanks again!

Reason I asked is because I believe Cornell residents can do rotations at Hosp for Special Surgery. Good Luck.

 

[Frugal Traveler]

thanks to all for the advice. I actually didnt apply to cornell. I only applied to Columbia because a rheum researcher who i have a brain crush on did some work out of there. The program was fabulous though. Rheum offers everything i want in a practice: long term close patient relationships, interesting pathology, psych involvement, women's health, etc. also i have family members with rheum disorders so it's more peresonal to me. i think Duke, Columbia, and Vandy are really up there for me for different reasons. NYC may be too expensive though. anyway thanks again!

If you're single and family is not guilt tripping you to stay in a certain region, NYC would be very fun place to live in for 3 years.

Rheum may increase in competitiveness over the years as multidisciplinary research makes "evil humors" actual entities that can be treated with agents based on pathophysiology (as opposed to everyone's favorite medication - prednisone!). Very interesting field. You should not have an issue getting an awesome fellowship at any of those programs.

 

[jonsir]

Ok guys, need help. Thinking of cards later.
This is my non-inclusive list thus far (going to rank) not in any particular order:

OHSU
USC
Providence OR
Lahey
Case Western
Southwestern
Georgetown
GW

Thanks.

 

[Phineus]

Ok guys, need help. Thinking of cards later.
This is my non-inclusive list thus far (going to rank) not in any particular order:

OHSU
USC
Providence OR
Lahey
Case Western
Southwestern
Georgetown
GW

Thanks.

UTSW>/= OHSU> GT> GW= Case > Lahey.
Not too familiar with Providence-OR. As for USC, I consistently hear negative things about it and am unsure where it would rank in your list (likely equal to lahey but below the rest).

 

[chitown82]

Ok guys, need help. Thinking of cards later.
This is my non-inclusive list thus far (going to rank) not in any particular order:

OHSU
USC
Providence OR
Lahey
Case Western
Southwestern
Georgetown
GW

Thanks.

UTSW>Case=OHSU>GW>Gtown

 

[polarbare]

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[verbalassasin]

Ok guys, need help. Thinking of cards later.
This is my non-inclusive list thus far (going to rank) not in any particular order:

OHSU
USC
Providence OR
Lahey
Case Western
Southwestern
Georgetown
GW

Thanks.

UT Southwestern
OHSU
Georgetown
Case Western
USC
GW

Thats how I would rank them.

 

[gutonc]

UT Southwestern
OHSU
Georgetown
Case Western
USC
GW

Thats how I would rank them.

From a "getting a cards spot" point of view, I agree with this order. Putting the community programs anywhere but the bottom of your list would be a mistake. Not because they're bad IM training environments (Prov Portland is a fine community program and I've heard good things about Lahey but have no real experience) but because your fellowship chances go way down from a community program (although Lahey does have in-house cards options).

All that said, I would rather work at Borders than be a resident at UTSW. I'm too old to put up with that shizz. I know a lot of people from UTSW (med students and residents, all with top-notch knowledge and skills), I've never met anyone who was actually going there.

 

[dreamfox]

Reason I asked is because I believe Cornell residents can do rotations at Hosp for Special Surgery. Good Luck.

we do rotate at hospital for special surgery for rheum.

 

[intmed3]

and would like some advise on how to rank these program!!!

In no particular order;
Rush University (Chicago)
Temple University (Philly)
Thomas Jefferson (Philly)
Einsten-Montefiore (Bronx)
Boston University (Boston)
SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
Cleveland Clinic (Cleveland)


1. BU
2. Cleveland Clinic
3. Jefferson=Montefiore=Downstate

Honestly know very little about Rush and Temple. I think Downstate takes about 5-6 of their own for GI most years, and so most people who want GI and are willing to work hard for it, will probably get it. Get a feel for the program, if you're willing to work hard at resources poor county hospital, and like working with the underserved, which can be frustrating at times...might be a decent option.

I would actually rank Jefferson higher if you're interested in doing GI. They do pretty well with the GI match, each year a few stay in house and then they send a handful elsewhere, usually to solid, clinically oriented programs.

 

[ResidentMD]

I would actually rank Jefferson higher if you're interested in doing GI. They do pretty well with the GI match, each year a few stay in house and then they send a handful elsewhere, usually to solid, clinically oriented programs.

I would probably rank RUSH in the same tier of your interviews as Monte and Jefferson...a lot depends on also where you would like to stay.

You should look into Downstate's match list - I havent heard rave reviews about the program. Especially I would doubt equating it to Monte, RUSH or Jefferson. But look into it.

 

[IMDoc2010]

Thanks Scaredschizzle, Intmed3, and ResidentMD!!!

I really don't have a location preference besides it being in a large city, which most programs that I posted are located in.

I was curious about you guys (or gals) putting cleveland clinic that high on the list. I heard people say that their IM program is not considered to be strong or good?!? Actually a lot of discussions on sdn have stated that CCF is attending/fellow run?!?! Any truth to that???

I would probably rank RUSH in the same tier of your interviews as Monte and Jefferson...a lot depends on also where you would like to stay.

You should look into Downstate's match list - I havent heard rave reviews about the program. Especially I would doubt equating it to Monte, RUSH or Jefferson. But look into it.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Thanks Scaredschizzle, Intmed3, and ResidentMD!!!

I really don't have a location preference besides it being in a large city, which most programs that I posted are located in.

I was curious about you guys (or gals) putting cleveland clinic that high on the list. I heard people say that their IM program is not considered to be strong or good?!? Actually a lot of discussions on sdn have stated that CCF is attending/fellow run?!?! Any truth to that???

There is probably a lot of truth to that. The other thing is the presence of IMGs...People automatically assume a program is weaker based on presence of iMGs, which is why many programs succumb to the "peer pressure" and stop taking IMGs, even though they may have step scores in the 270s and otherwise very impressive CVs. That IMG is probably a lot more impressive than the worse student at Hopkins, but programs know their resident roster will look 10x more impressive with the Hopkins person. However, some programs choose to have a few IMGs regardless. I think programs like CCF and BU fall into that group, amongst others.

 

[matt1982]

would love any input on how you might rank the following, if anyone is so obliged. interested in critical care or, less likely, ID. thanks alot.

BIDMC
Northwestern
UChicago
MGH
Brown
NYU
Cornell
Siniai
Albert Einstein
Georgetown
GW
Tufts
BU
Pitt

 

[ResidentMD]

There is probably a lot of truth to that. The other thing is the presence of IMGs...People automatically assume a program is weaker based on presence of iMGs, which is why many programs succumb to the "peer pressure" and stop taking IMGs, even though they may have step scores in the 270s and otherwise very impressive CVs. That IMG is probably a lot more impressive than the worse student at Hopkins, but programs know their resident roster will look 10x more impressive with the Hopkins person. However, some programs choose to have a few IMGs regardless. I think programs like CCF and BU fall into that group, amongst others.

I agree with what you have said. Programs like CCF and BU get the short end of the stick often because of the IMGs. There are definitely quirks to each program, esp CCF and BU. The other program off the top of my head that suffer from that reputation are UMass, Tufts and Baylor.

I can say this for sure - CCF has some excellent mentors. I believe some people have thoroughly enjoyed their visit to CCF, so if you find the program fits what you are looking for, you should rank it high. They have some excellent clinicians and academicians, who have known to "make" careers. I havent seen their fellowship list, but from what I hear, they match well.

 

[dreamfox]

would love any input on how you might rank the following, if anyone is so obliged. interested in critical care or, less likely, ID. thanks alot.

BIDMC
Northwestern
UChicago
MGH
Brown
NYU
Cornell
Siniai
Albert Einstein
Georgetown
GW
Tufts
BU
Pitt

MGH
Cornell
UChicago = BIDMC
Northwestern = Sinai
NYU = Pitt
BU = Tufts = Brown = Einstein
Georgetown = GW

 

[Scaredshizzles]

MGH
Cornell
UChicago = BIDMC
Northwestern = Sinai
NYU = Pitt
BU = Tufts = Brown = Einstein
Georgetown = GW

1. MGH (obviously)
2. Cornell
3. BIDMC
4. UChicago=Mt. Sinai
5. NYU=BU=Northwestern
6. Brown=Georgetown
7. Tufts=Einstein

 

[chitown82]

would love any input on how you might rank the following, if anyone is so obliged. interested in critical care or, less likely, ID. thanks alot.

BIDMC
Northwestern
UChicago
MGH
Brown
NYU
Cornell
Siniai
Albert Einstein
Georgetown
GW
Tufts
BU
Pitt

MGH>BIDMC=UChicago>Cornell=Northwestern>Sinai>NYU=Pitt>GW>Einstein>the rest

 

[Esquire JD]

I think I enjoy this forum more than my wife does (and I guess that's why I'm posting and she's not). Anyway, I (we) would like any input on the following list. Specifically, my wife's considering a fellowship in heme/onc and we would like to stay in the NYC area. To that end, we're curious as to how the top NYC programs compare with the other top tiered programs on this list. Thanks in advance for your help.

Brigham
MGH
BIDMC
Columbia
Cornell
Mt. Sinai
Yale
Duke
NYU
Northwestern
AE-Montefiore
RWJ
Penn State

 

[dreamfox]

I think I enjoy this forum more than my wife does (and I guess that's why I'm posting and she's not). Anyway, I (we) would like any input on the following list. Specifically, my wife's considering a fellowship in heme/onc and we would like to stay in the NYC area. To that end, we're curious as to how the top NYC programs compare with the other top tiered programs on this list. Thanks in advance for your help.

Brigham
MGH
BIDMC
Columbia
Cornell
Mt. Sinai
Yale
Duke
NYU
Northwestern
AE-Montefiore
RWJ
Penn State

Well, if you are basing this off the fact you want to stay in NYC and want to do heme/onc then:

1) Cornell (arguably the best heme/onc fellowship match in the country, especially if you want to be at memorial sloan kettering)
2) Columbia
3) Brigham
4) MGH
5) Sinai
... The rest

If location is not an issue, then I think you would rank these problems such as:

1) Brigham
2) MGH
3) Cornell = Columbia = Duke
4) BIDMC
5) Yale = Mt. Sinai
... The rest

 

[verbalassasin]

MGH>BIDMC=UChicago>Cornell=Northwestern>Sinai>NYU=Pitt>GW>Einstein>the rest

Do you go to GW? I ask because I notice you always rank GW over Georgetown and I know the two schools have a little rivalry of sorts over there in DC. I rank Gtown > GW not because of facilities but the research opportunities available at Gtown.

 

[Phineus]

I think I enjoy this forum more than my wife does (and I guess that's why I'm posting and she's not). Anyway, I (we) would like any input on the following list. Specifically, my wife's considering a fellowship in heme/onc and we would like to stay in the NYC area. To that end, we're curious as to how the top NYC programs compare with the other top tiered programs on this list. Thanks in advance for your help.

Brigham
MGH
BIDMC
Columbia
Cornell
Mt. Sinai
Yale
Duke
NYU
Northwestern
AE-Montefiore
RWJ
Penn State

Did you mean UPenn when you wrote Penn State?

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Did you mean UPenn when you wrote Penn State?

I imagine Penn State. The bottom 3 on that list look like her safety options.

As far as the question, if she's really interested in heme-onc, especially clinical heme-onc, then Cornell would be a great option because they often send a handful of people to Sloan. If she wants more of a research flavor during the course of her residency, I imagine Cornell might not be as good as MGH/BWH. The best overall IM program in NYC is Columbia..While people don't directly roate there through Sloan Kettering...I imagine a resident who has a strong program director's letter from Columbia would have no toruble atching to Sloan for heme-onc.

 

[peter7671]

I'm leaning toward cards and it looks like my top 4 would be:

U Chicago
Northwestern
Yale
Sinai

also, is there any compelling reason to rank BIDMC over the above 4?

Thanks

 

[chitown82]

Do you go to GW? I ask because I notice you always rank GW over Georgetown and I know the two schools have a little rivalry of sorts over there in DC. I rank Gtown > GW not because of facilities but the research opportunities available at Gtown.

Not at GW (or GTown) here. Word on my side of the street is that GW is a better IM training program. GTown certainly has a great name (overall) but I've been told by several people that GW is the better program in DC all things taken into consideration. 🙂

I should also mention that one of my friends went to GTown and thought more highly over GW for IM.

 

[matthewcas]

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[Scaredshizzles]

I'm leaning toward cards and it looks like my top 4 would be:

U Chicago
Northwestern
Yale
Sinai

also, is there any compelling reason to rank BIDMC over the above 4?

Thanks

I don't know if there is a compelling reason, but I think arguably it has a better rep than those four.

 

[tarlovcyst]

Hi guys!!!
New member, but I have been coming here throughout med school for advice. I am interested in GI, and would like some advise on how to rank these program!!!

In no particular order;
Rush University (Chicago)
Temple University (Philly)
Thomas Jefferson (Philly)
Einsten-Montefiore (Bronx)
Boston University (Boston)
SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
Cleveland Clinic (Cleveland)

Thanks and G'luck everybody in this very random application year!!!

IMDOC2010,
Based on fellowship placement being weighted first, and then reputation second, I would rank the following --
Montefiore, SUNY Downstate, Jefferson, Rush
Then Temple, Boston University, Cleveland Clinic.

Montefiore has an outstanding fellowship placement list and they have many spots for GI. SUNY loves to take their own and I believe they have 6 GI spots for the 1st year. Jefferson also has an excellent fellowship placement history. I mentioned Rush because Rush is ranked in the top 25 for GI, and they consistently place about 6-8 residents in GI per year.

Temple does well in GI, but North Philly marks it down a little bit, especially when you have Jefferson to choose from. Boston has a large program with an excellent fellowship placement as well, but I heard it was a malignant a few years ago and is improving. Cleveland Clinic has a nice variety of DOs, FMGs, and MDs, and though it is argued that this promotes diversity versus strength of program, they do take their own; Cleveland isn't an ideal place to live.

Thanks for the thread.

 

[Phineus]

I don't know if there is a compelling reason, but I think arguably it has a better rep than those four.

BIDMC over Sinai or Yale is debatable from the reputation perspective. As for the rep of BIDMC, NW and UofC from someone in the South: NW > BIDMC > UofC.