**Official 2021 Ortho PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

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Anyone know what time PT results are released? I know the website says 9 but other people said as early as 6?
 
Hello ! Does anyone here i looking forward to joining JU fellowship program?
Any idea how to proceed with it.
I did apply at JU but dint get an interview.
TIA.
 
Good luck everyone!

Name of Ortho Program:
Dental School Attended:
Year Earned DMD/DDS:
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency:
International Student (yes/no):
NBDE Part I/II scores:
ADAT Score:
GRE Score:
Class Rank:
Match/Non-Match:
Externship(s)/where:
Research:
Extracurriculars:
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked:
 
Good luck everyone tomorrow.
Anyone knows how the post match works?
 
Name of Ortho Program: Midwest School (2 year program)
Dental School Attended: Different Midwest School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2021
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/Awaiting Results
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: 161V/162QR/5.0W
Class Rank: Top 10%
Match/Non-Match: Match Only
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad research and presentation, dental school research (non-ortho), no pubs
Extracurriculars: Bunch of community service, leadership roles, etc.
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 21/6/6/6

I limited my applications to the specific geographic areas I would like to live in and by cost (including the 1 year opportunity cost for 3 year programs). I only applied to places that would be sub-400K based on my cost calculations (I added 180K as a conservative estimate to 3 year program total costs to simulate one year's salary of an orthodontist). I think this cycle was quite tough, as it had a record number of applications likely due to the pandemic. My advice is to apply to as many places as you can afford if you really want to be an orthodontist, because you never know where you'll end up getting in!
 
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Name of Ortho Program: Southern Program
Dental School Attended: Midwest School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2021
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/Haven't Taken
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: 164V/162QR/4.0W
Class Rank: 1/85
Match/Non-Match: Match Only
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: None
Extracurriculars: Tutor, summer job in leadership position.
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 26/8/8/8

Let this be proof that you can match with no research experience and limited involvement - my M.O. was chilling with friends throughout school. That being said, for how many programs I applied to I did not receive that many interview invites and furthermore I didn't receive interviews at a handful of my top programs. I had a chance to interview with a great group of people and with a number of fantastic programs and all things considered am grateful to have matched at one of my top choices! If any future applicants have any questions feel free to shoot me a message.

We did it everyone. 🙂
 
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Where can we find post match results? Will it show up when we log in or is it on the main website and we don’t have to log in to get the list?
 
Can anyone post a screenshot of the postmatch webpage for the unfilled positions?
I am curious whether covid had an impact for this cycle
 
Does anyone know how much is the tuition for Georgia?
 
adriannick said:
Name of Ortho Program: Eastern program
Dental School Attended: International
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2012
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: Home country Orthodontic Residency
International Student (yes/no): Yes
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/P
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: 153V/159QR/3.5W
Class Rank: Top 20%
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where:
Research: 10published articles- 1 year research experience in US
Extracurriculars:
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 26/5/5/5
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Hi! I am an international applicant
Dint match anywhere. Can i get in touch with you?
 
Name of Ortho Program: 2 yr program
Dental School Attended:
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2021
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/Awaiting Results
ADAT Score: didn't take
GRE Score: >150/150/4
Class Rank: Top 15%
Match/Non-Match: Match Only
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Dental school research (non-ortho), no pubs
Extracurriculars: Lots of involvement w/ student orgs, volunteering, mission trip, tutoring
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 35/8/8/8

For future applicants, make sure you have a well-rounded CV. During my interviews, I got asked a lot of leadership and research questions. Know how to answer "why ortho?" and "why our program?". Some interviews were really laid back and others were impossible to prepare for. I was worried about rank, but I don't think it's the end all, be all. You don't have to be top 10% of your class to match, so if you are top 20%, maybe even 25-30% and love ortho, it's worth applying! If anyone has any questions, feel free to PM me.
 
Does anyone know the process of applying for post-match? Attempted to email and call the program but no response as of yet. Do we send them our PASS app and fill out the supp app? Thanks!
 
Name of Ortho Program: Southern Program
Dental School Attended: International
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2019
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: Work experience as a general dentist
International Student (yes/no): YES
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: Mid 150s V/ Mid 150s QR / 3.5W (sorry for being vague, but feel free to PM me to ask more info about anything)
I also had a high TOEFL grade
Class Rank: Top 15%
Match/Non-Match: Match Only
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: None
Extracurriculars: A looooooot of "art" related extracurricular, sport ones, covid time volunteering. No real "leadership" one, but I guess working as a dentist already shows I'm some sort of leader?
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: Low 10s / 3 / 3 / 3

I don't have an impressive "scholarly" side, no research at all, and I had zero connections with the universities I applied to.
I think what may have helped me was my personal statement. I really tried to stay true to myself and tell people who I was.
I think the places I got interviewed at really placed an emphasis on collegiality, and were picking someone who was not a bookworm, and had a life outside of the dental world, with good teamwork.
Each place really picks differently their applicants. So I can only tell that where I got interviewed, they liked the fact that they had a life outside of dentistry and I had a lot of questions related to that.
I got asked really the most typical questions you can find online "Why our university?" "Where do you see yourself in the future?" "your weakness/strength"...
Being an international student, I don't know if my output can be of much help, but if anyone has any questions, feel free to PM me 🙂
 
I'm posting this for the sole reason of giving hope and inspiration for those with weaker stats like I have.


Name of Ortho Program: Midwest school
Dental School Attended: East Coast school
Year Earned DMD/DDS: graduating in 2021
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: still in dental school
International Student (yes/no): no
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass/Pass
ADAT Score: did not take
GRE Score: 90+ percentile on every section. Basically 160+ on reading and math, 5.5 on writing.
Class Rank: 3.7 GPA, 40ish/100 (top 40%)
Match/Non-Match: Match (did not apply to any non-match)
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Research assisting in undergrad, didn't do any formal research in dental school but did some minor research activities.
Extracurriculars: Leadership positions, some volunteering, tutoring, etc. Standard stuff.
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 30/5/5/5


My advice for those who aren't top 15-20% in their class:

  • Apply widely, 30-35 programs if you can. Suck up any pride and biases against certain locations and just apply to as many programs as you can afford. Other than some pretty ridiculously expensive programs (Columbia, NYU, GSO, etc) I applied everywhere I could, even more pricey 3 year programs like Nova Southeastern or pricey 2 year programs like Tufts.
  • Work super hard on your personal statement and make it unique! Programs hear the same old things using buzzwords like "passion" and the typical "love making smiles brighter" line. Incorporate your interests and who you are as a person while subtly emphasizing your strengths and using engaging stories to present your experiences in dental school/private practice. Talk about how those experiences show why orthodontics is a good fit for you and why you would be a good orthodontist. Get it proofread by as many people as possible and ask them what vibe they get from reading it. Ask them if it sounds like you, ask them if it sounds authentic and unique.
  • Make strong relationships with 3-4 faculty, with one of them preferably being the ortho program director at your dental school. When you are at a disadvantage with your rank, recommendations can make a big difference. Ortho is a small community and getting a strong recommendation from someone well known in the community can make a big difference.
  • Kill the GRE. Don't settle for any score in the 150s. This is your chance to show programs that your academic ability and potential is not defined by your GPA/Rank and that you can handle the rigors of ortho residency. It won't necessarily make programs give you an invite, but it will be one less thing that a school can use as an excuse to throw your application out.
  • I didn't do it, but get involved in research if you can. It was something that was asked about in a few of my interviews. Research is your chance to show that you not only are interested in helping advance the specialty, but also you want to use evidence-based practices to treat your patients ethically.
  • Finally, just be yourself, authenticity matters during these interviews. You want the interviewers to think "this is is someone who I would love to work with and get to know for 2-3 years." And make sure to communicate exactly why you like their program, what you can contribute to the program, and why you think you would be a good fit at that program.

Sorry with how wordy that was, I'm still too excited! Feel free to PM if you have any questions and congrats to everyone who matched!
 
Guys

will you contact the program that you were matched at? If yes. What will you say in your email?
 
Hi every one I tried to contact Georgia for the post match but no answer back from them
did any one send them an email for post match and got an answer?
is all seats taken?

thank you
 
Do NOT apply to Georgia School of Orthodontics. That program is literally a for-profit scam and the AAO is going to go after them hard.

Improve your CVs and reapply to real programs next year. You'll be way farther ahead.
 
Traag said:
Do NOT apply to Georgia School of Orthodontics. That program is literally a for-profit scam and the AAO is going to go after them hard.

Improve your CVs and reapply to real programs next year. You'll be way farther ahead.
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I don't know about AAO going after them hard. They were just recently permitted to double their class size to 36 .
orthodonticproductsonline.com

Georgia School of Orthodontics Will Double Enrollment

The Commission on Dental Accreditation has given the school approval to increase from 18 orthodontic residents per class to 36 per class.
orthodonticproductsonline.com orthodonticproductsonline.com
 
Name of Ortho Program: West coast school
Dental School Attended: Canadian program
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2021
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/Haven't taken yet
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: 154V/168QR/5.5W
Class Rank: 3.8 GPA (~top 10-20%)
Match/Non-Match: 16 match, 1 non-match
Externship(s)/where: UCLA, University of Toronto
Research: Undergrad and dental school research, many publications and presentations (one paper in EJO), research awards
Extracurriculars: Very active in student government (class VP, school VP), not-profit experience, used to be a videographer and co-produced a documentary, varsity sports
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 17/6/6/5 (1 non-match)

Coming into this process as a Canadian, I was very nervous about my chances. I ended up very pleasantly surprised with 6 invites. I only applied to one West coast program as I mainly applied to East coast schools in which I concentrated on mainly Northeast programs. At my interviews, I would see the same people interviewing from the same schools (UPenn, NYU, Stony, UCLA, and Columbia). I prepared for each interview like it was the only interview I had. I carefully crafted a reason why I wanted to go to that school over any other and at different interviews, this made a huge difference as I was told they made a note of it. I found that the socials were very relaxed and by the time I had my second or third interview (I ended up having 3 GPR interviews for a total of 9) the nerves were gone. This was important as the more relaxed I felt, the more I could show my personality which seemed to be a crucial element of what interviewers were looking for. They look for a resident cohort that fits well with each other and composed of people they would like to train and work with for the next 2-3 years. They also cared about hobbies and things outside of school... they cared a lot about how "interesting" you were.

At some interviews, the residents had a say (either in a breakout room or actually being on the panel) so be sure to win the residents over. At one school, one resident told me I was ranked very high because the residents really liked me. At another school, the program director told me I would be joining them soon. While these are nice comments, I never took them as the fact that I would match. In fact, the program I ranked #1 was a program that never responded to my thank you email, and never corresponded with me after the interview was done! The non-match that did respond to my thank you email didn't end up picking me. So don't stress over these little things and don't let this bother you. Rank based on the order of preference, not the order you think you are most likely to get into. And you just never know which program will rank you high.

When ranking programs, my #1 was very obvious, but I flip flopped on the others. I can tell you that while cost is a factor, consider your happiness in the program and city for the next 2-3 years. Also consider the clinical strength of the program (some are good for bread and butter edgewise, while others let you scan all patients and you'll never touch alginate again and will let you try all types of bracket systems and appliances). Consider how much the research component plays into the program (do you want to do more or less research to get the MSc). Consider if you will like training under the program director and faculty (believe me, this is very important). In the end, I matched to my #1 and I couldn't be happier.

There were many days I didn't think this would happen. I came into dental school only wanting ortho. I didn't have the highest class rank but made up for it with my research and my letters of reference and an interesting personal statement. My GRE was alright. I had an upward trend in GPA (4.0 in D3) that might have helped too. In the end, I think my research really made a difference as it was brought up in numerous interviews. So for those who want to do ortho... trust me, you will get there. Believe in yourself and it will happen! Feel free to PM me if you need anything. I am always happy to help. I am so glad it's all over!
 
I can't believe it's all over and I can't wait to meet you all at GORP, AAO, and other conferences! 🙂
 
mmc12 said:
I don't know about AAO going after them hard. They were just recently permitted to double their class size to 36 .
orthodonticproductsonline.com

Georgia School of Orthodontics Will Double Enrollment

The Commission on Dental Accreditation has given the school approval to increase from 18 orthodontic residents per class to 36 per class.
orthodonticproductsonline.com orthodonticproductsonline.com
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Man, I've seen you shilling for this program constantly. Name-dropping it in even the most tangentially ortho-related threads. Telling people with low stats to apply. Posting threads advertising their outrageous 25k online-only "fellowship"...

What is your deal? Are you a current resident? Faculty member? Hired marketer? Please, just come out and say it so people can take your comments in context.

Their class size and accreditation is exactly what's going to be contested. I'd point out that the accrediting body, CODA (NOT the AAO), has also accredited a dental school in Mexico, and the California board one in Moldova (allegedly)... The bar for accreditation is a chasm with no follow-up.
 
Steins;Gate said:
Name of Ortho Program: West coast school
Dental School Attended: Canadian program
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2021
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/Haven't taken yet
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: 154V/168QR/5.5W
Class Rank: 3.8 GPA (~top 10-20%)
Match/Non-Match: 16 match, 1 non-match
Externship(s)/where: UCLA, University of Toronto
Research: Undergrad and dental school research, many publications and presentations (one paper in EJO), research awards
Extracurriculars: Very active in student government (class VP, school VP), not-profit experience, used to be a videographer and co-produced a documentary, varsity sports
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 17/6/6/5 (1 non-match)

Coming into this process as a Canadian, I was very nervous about my chances. I ended up very pleasantly surprised with 6 invites. I only applied to one West coast program as I mainly applied to East coast schools in which I concentrated on mainly Northeast programs. At my interviews, I would see the same people interviewing from the same schools (UPenn, NYU, Stony, UCLA, and Columbia). I prepared for each interview like it was the only interview I had. I carefully crafted a reason why I wanted to go to that school over any other and at different interviews, this made a huge difference as I was told they made a note of it. I found that the socials were very relaxed and by the time I had my second or third interview (I ended up having 3 GPR interviews for a total of 9) the nerves were gone. This was important as the more relaxed I felt, the more I could show my personality which seemed to be a crucial element of what interviewers were looking for. They look for a resident cohort that fits well with each other and composed of people they would like to train and work with for the next 2-3 years. They also cared about hobbies and things outside of school... they cared a lot about how "interesting" you were.

At some interviews, the residents had a say (either in a breakout room or actually being on the panel) so be sure to win the residents over. At one school, one resident told me I was ranked very high because the residents really liked me. At another school, the program director told me I would be joining them soon. While these are nice comments, I never took them as the fact that I would match. In fact, the program I ranked #1 was a program that never responded to my thank you email, and never corresponded with me after the interview was done! The non-match that did respond to my thank you email didn't end up picking me. So don't stress over these little things and don't let this bother you. Rank based on the order of preference, not the order you think you are most likely to get into. And you just never know which program will rank you high.

When ranking programs, my #1 was very obvious, but I flip flopped on the others. I can tell you that while cost is a factor, consider your happiness in the program and city for the next 2-3 years. Also consider the clinical strength of the program (some are good for bread and butter edgewise, while others let you scan all patients and you'll never touch alginate again and will let you try all types of bracket systems and appliances). Consider how much the research component plays into the program (do you want to do more or less research to get the MSc). Consider if you will like training under the program director and faculty (believe me, this is very important). In the end, I matched to my #1 and I couldn't be happier.

There were many days I didn't think this would happen. I came into dental school only wanting ortho. I didn't have the highest class rank but made up for it with my research and my letters of reference and an interesting personal statement. My GRE was alright. I had an upward trend in GPA (4.0 in D3) that might have helped too. In the end, I think my research really made a difference as it was brought up in numerous interviews. So for those who want to do ortho... trust me, you will get there. Believe in yourself and it will happen! Feel free to PM me if you need anything. I am always happy to help. I am so glad it's all over!
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So happy for you doc!
 
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