**Official 2021 Ortho PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

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The PASS application has officially opened for the 2021 cycle. Let's use this thread to relay any information that we receive from ortho programs and ask questions.

Previous thread for reference: **Official 2020 Ortho PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

School Interview Invites:
1. 6/18 Oklahoma (email) - 10/30 or 11/6
2. 8/3 Iowa (email) - 8/27 and 8/28 (Zoom interview) or 9/17 and 9/18 (Zoom interview)
3. 8/27 UNLV (email) - 9/21 (Zoom interview)
4. 9/2 MUSC (email) - 10/2 (WebEx interview)
5. 9/4 San Antonio (email) - 10/2, 10/14, 10/21 or 10/30 (Zoom interview)
6. 9/5 Loma Linda (email) - 10/5 and 10/6
7. 9/8 Boston University (email) - 10/19 - 10/16 (Zoom interview)
8. 9/9 Indiana University (email) - 10/1 or 10/2 (Zoom interview)
9. 9/9 University of British Columbia (email) - 10/31 (Zoom interview)
10. 9/9 Seton Hill (email) - Sept 24
11. 9/9 University of Pittsburgh (phone)-10/8 or 10/22
12. 9/11 University of Nebraska Medical Center (phone) - Oct 15, 16, and 19 (Zoom interview)
13. 9/11 University of Tennessee (email) - 10/9 or 10/12 TBD (Zoom interview)
14. 9/13 Oregon Health & Science University (email) - Oct 14 or 15 (WebEx interview)
15. 9/13 University of Washington (email) - Oct 12 interview with social Oct 11 (both Virtual)
16. 9/14 University of Buffalo ( email) , Oct 16 and 19, virtual interview
17. 9/14 University of North Carolina (UNC) Chapel Hill (phone,email) - 10/19 or 10/20 (virtual)
18. 9/14 University of Missouri at Kansas City (UMKC) (email) 10/19 (virtual)
19. 9/15 University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) (email) 10/22 or 10/23 (virtual)
20. 9/15 A.T. Still (ATSU)(email) 10/5 or 10/6 (Zoom interview), virtual social on 10/5
21. 9/16 Roseman University (phone and email) - 10/19, 10/20, and 10/21, virtual social on 10/21 all via Zoom
22. 9/16 University of Colorado (email) - 10/01, 10/02, and 10/05
23. 9/17 University of Michigan (phone) - 10/12 or 10/19 (virtual)
24. 9/18 University of Texas Houston (email) - 10/7 (social) and 10/8 OR 10/8 (social) and 10/9 (WebEx)
25. 9/18 St. Barnabas (email) - 10/14 (zoom), virtual social 10/12 or 10/13.
26. 9/21 VCU (email) - 10/22 (full day) and 10/23 (half day)
27. 9/21 LSU (email) -10/29 (full day) or 10/30 (full day) in-person.
28. 9/21 University of Maryland (UMSOD) (email) - 10/21 or 10/22 (virtual, 8am-1pm)
29. 9/22 Saint Louis University (email) - 10/12, 10/13, 10/14, or 10/15 (virtual half day with social night before)
30. 9/22 Nova Southeastern University (email) - 10/26, 10/22 (Zoom)
31. 9/22 Bronxcare - 10/7, 10/14, 10/15 (in person/Zoom)
32. 9/22 University of the Pacific (email)- 10/12 or 10/13 (zoom)
33. 9/22 Columbia University (email) - 10/19 or 10/20 or 10/27 (Zoom)
34. 9/23 Ohio State (email) - 10/12 or 10/13 (Zoom)
35. 9/24 UPenn (email) - 10/14 or 10/28 (virtual through BlueJeans, both AM and PM sessions)
36. 9/25 Texas A&M (phone) - 10/26 10/27 or 10/28 (zoom)
37. 9/28 UK (phone) - 10/29 or 10/30 (social on 10/28) - all via Zoom
38. 9/29 NYU (email) - 10/16 (zoom)
39. 9/29 UF (email) - 10/12 (zoom) 10/13 zoom
40. 9/29 Rutgers (email) - 10/16 or 10/19 (zoom)
41. 9/30 Minnesota (email)-10/25 (social), 10/26 (Zoom interview)
42. 9/30 UCLA (email) - 10/18 (social), 10/19 PM or 10/20 AM (zoom)
43. 10/1 UCSF (email) - 10/28 or 10/29 (zoom)
44. 10/1 WVU (email) - 10/26 (zoom)
45. 10/2 UConn (email) - 10/22 or 10/23 Webex
46. 10/2 Detroit Mercy (email) - 11/5 or 11/6 (zoom)
47. 10/2 Jacksonville (email) - 10/12, 10/13, 10/14, social on 10/14 evening (online)
48. 10/2 Tufts (email) - 11/8 evening (info session) and 11/9 (zoom)
49. 10/2 UAB (email) - 10/8 or 10/9 (all via Zoom, with social night before)
50. 10/5 CWRU (email) - 10/28 and 10/29 via Zoom
51. 10/6 Rochester (email) - dates to follow via virtual
52. 10/6 Louisville
53. 10/6 Maimonides Medical (email) - 11/10 via virtual
54. 10/6 Temple (email) - Oct 26 or Nov 2 (zoom)
55. 10/7 Stony Brook (email) - Oct 29 (Zoom) and November 5th (zoom)
56. 10/9 Washington Medstar (phone) - Oct 16 (Zoom social) and Oct 17th (zoom interview)
57. 10/10 Harvard (email) - 10/26 (Zoom social), 10/27 (Zoom interview)
58. 10/10 Marquette (email) - 10/19, 10/20 (Zoom social) & 10/27, 10/30 (Zoom interview)
59. 10/12 Montefiore (email) - 10/21 or 10/23 (Zoom interview)
60. 10/14 USC (email) - 11/2 (Zoom interview)
61. 10/20 Howard (email) - 11/5 (Zoom interview)


Additional Programs that have sent out invites (no info about invite dates and interview dates):
- Augusta
- Mayo

 

[Mboy]

What is the required score for the GRE?

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[ssm38]

What is the required score for the GRE?

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From what I hear, ideally in the 70th percentile but at minimum in the 50th.

 

[Coffee_Rottie]

From what I hear, ideally in the 70th percentile but at minimum in the 50th.

From what I heard at least 150 in the verbal and a 151 in quantitative, with the essay a 3.5-4

 

[pursuingadream]

I know UIC, Tennessee, Ohio, VCU, and Michigan are match exclusive. Anyone hear anything else?

University of the Pacific is match exclusive this year

 

[bracketbuster68]

Indiana as well.

 

[sw33tt00th]

Anyone know which schools aren't participating in match? im finding conflicting information.

 

[bracketbuster68]

Anyone know which schools aren't participating in match? im finding conflicting information.

Which schools? Have you been using the PASS search engine?

 

[ssm38]

Anyone know which schools aren't participating in match? im finding conflicting information.

One I'm thinking of is Medstar in DC. PASS says its non-match but on their website, you have to sign an agreement that you're applying to match only.

 

[mmc12]

Anyone applying to CTOR academy? They aren’t on the ADEA PASS search engine

Orthodontic and Dentofacial Orthopedic Certificate Program

CTOR Academy Advanced Education Program in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics is a 36-month program that provides to dentists (domestic and international) specialty training in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics.

www.ctor.academy

 

[Coffee_Rottie]

Anyone applying to CTOR academy? They aren’t on the ADEA PASS search engine

Orthodontic and Dentofacial Orthopedic Certificate Program

CTOR Academy Advanced Education Program in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics is a 36-month program that provides to dentists (domestic and international) specialty training in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics.

www.ctor.academy

This academy doesn´t appear on the ADA list of accredited Ortho programs.

 

[Steins;Gate]

From what I hear, ideally in the 70th percentile but at minimum in the 50th.

Composite score or individual sections? How is a 322 (84 percentile composite)?

 

[ssm38]

Composite score or individual sections? How is a 322 (84 percentile composite)?

I assumed individual sections. If you look at the ETS percentile charts, you'd want these minimum scores (I put the associated percentiles in parenthesis): 151V (51%), 154QR (54%) and 4.0W (57%).

Ideal scores would be these scores or above: 156V (73%), 159QR (70%) and 4.5W (81%).

 

[Awisdomtooth]

Hello!

Does anyone know the official character limit for the personal statement? The instructions on ADEA.org say to limit to 5200 characters, however I believe these are old instructions as they still refer to the old (pre-2019) format of "copy-and-pasting" your essay into a text box. Since this new system allows you to upload your personal statement as a PDF, can they actually restrict character count?

Thanks.

I have asked this question from ADEA and they stated there is no character limit for the personal statement unless the program that you are applying to has any instructions in regard to your personal statement .

 

[mmc12]

This academy doesn´t appear on the ADA list of accredited Ortho programs.

I believe they still get applicants and people actually pay the $70,000 per year to go to an unaccredited program

 

[Coffee_Rottie]

I believe they still get applicants and people actually pay the $70,000 per year to go to an unaccredited program

Oh wow can you imagine paying that much and not being able to get licensed afterwards

 

[lowcarbtoast]

What is the ideal date to submit your application to PASS by? I remember with applying to dental school it was best to apply as soon as possible

 

[Awisdomtooth]

What is the ideal date to submit your application to PASS by? I remember with applying to dental school it was best to apply as soon as possible

Depending on programs but based on what I have heard from some program directors, earlier you submit it the better it is
I know there are programs that dont look at applications till they pass the deadline. I would submit my application as soon as possible though

 

[mmc12]

What is the ideal date to submit your application to PASS by? I remember with applying to dental school it was best to apply as soon as possible

Ortho programs send out their interview invites AFTER the application deadline. There may be a few that send out a few invites before the deadlines, but it's not that common. As long as your personal statement is excellent, it wouldn't hurt to submit it earlier. However, I wouldn't submit until EVERYTHING on the application has been reviewed thoroughly because once it's submitted to even one program, you can't really edit your application anymore. That was my experience a few years back, but it has changed now.

 

[Orthodontist1st]

Hi, I would like to get more information about ADAT. Most of the programs mention they "don't require" it, but they "accept" it. Wouldn't part I and II be adequate? Please let me know.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Wouldn't part I and II be adequate? Please let me know.

These have been Pass/Fail for several years now. That is the whole reason the ADAT came into being.

Big Hoss

 

[Steins;Gate]

Hi, I would like to get more information about ADAT. Most of the programs mention they "don't require" it, but they "accept" it. Wouldn't part I and II be adequate? Please let me know.

Programs don't need the ADAT. It's optional currently.

 

[Orthodontist1st]

Thank you very much for your responses. How much would taking ADAT affect the university permission?

 

[volleyball28]

Does anyone know if there are any unfilled positions for post match 2020?

 

[ortho_s]

Is there a list of the non PASS programs?

 

[mmc12]

If anyone is interested, the Georgia school of orthodontics is accepting applications for Starting THIS YEAR until July 3rd. If anyone wants to get in a program THIS YEAR you can!

Admissions | Georgia School of Orthodontics | Love Your Smile

The Georgia School of Orthodontics is currently not accepting applications for its Residency Program.

www.bracestoday.com

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Oof, seems like nobody wanted to go there lol.

I wonder why. Oh, that’s right! Tuition alone is $300,000. Tack on at least another $100,000 for living expenses and accrued interest on your existing loans, and this program easily will run you $500,000+. This place is preying on people’s desperation to get into ortho.

Big Hoss

 

[mmc12]

I wonder why. Oh, that’s right! Tuition alone is $300,000. Tack on at least another $100,000 for living expenses and accrued interest on your existing loans, and this program easily will run you $500,000+. This place is preying on people’s desperation to get into ortho.

Big Hoss

It's still maybe a bit cheaper than the USC ortho program

Paying for Dental School - Herman Ostrow School of Dentistry of USC

A dental education is a significant financial investment. The Herman Ostrow School of Dentistry of USC is committed to ensuring that all eligible students have access to the financial aid programs they need to achieve their educational goals.

dentistry.usc.edu

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

It's still maybe a bit cheaper than the USC ortho program

Paying for Dental School - Herman Ostrow School of Dentistry of USC

A dental education is a significant financial investment. The Herman Ostrow School of Dentistry of USC is committed to ensuring that all eligible students have access to the financial aid programs they need to achieve their educational goals.

dentistry.usc.edu

#mikemeru

Big Hoss

 

[dolfin]

Hey guys, just out of curiosity, do programs actually have access to information to find out whether you have applied to non-match programs? Or it is more of a matter of ethics and integrity rather than checking against the information they have access to?

 

[011110]

Hey guys, just a heads up I heard NYU Langone Orthodontics closed this year

 

[Trout_Bum]

Hey guys, just a heads up I heard NYU Langone Orthodontics closed this year

Really? Source?

 

[011110]

They are finishing the last year of residents, and closing June 2021, but incoming residents that were supposed to start this July were sol

 

[Trout_Bum]

They are finishing the last year of residents, and closing June 2021, but incoming residents that were supposed to start this July were sol

Dang. Must’ve been a recent development I guess. The program contact emailed me back about a question just a few weeks ago and never mentioned anything.

 

[mmc12]

They are finishing the last year of residents, and closing June 2021, but incoming residents that were supposed to start this July were sol

I guess those incoming residents could apply for the post match spots in the Georgia program then?

 

[011110]

I guess those incoming residents could apply for the post match spots in the Georgia program then?

I don’t think anyone is gonna trade a 2 year paid residency for a 3 year 300k+ residency.

 

[Warrior97]

Dang. Must’ve been a recent development I guess. The program contact emailed me back about a question just a few weeks ago and never mentioned anything.

I applied last year but didnt make the final cut. However I was contacted by them mid March, right before COVID started shutting places down. They said there might be an open spot and wanted to know if I was still available. Haven't heard anything since. Maybe someone was looking out for me...I could have made irreversible choices like quitting my job and selling my house by now. Hopefully they worked with other NY programs and they adopted the new residents.

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[charlestweed]

They are finishing the last year of residents, and closing June 2021, but incoming residents that were supposed to start this July were sol

That's what happened to me as well. I was offered an acceptance to a nonmatch program. I accepted the offer and withdrew from the match. And then 2 months later, I received the notice from the program that it would be closed permanently....and they refunded me my deposit money. I had to do a year of GPR and reapplied for ortho the following year.

 

[Warrior97]

That's what happened to me as well. I was offered an acceptance to a nonmatch program. I accepted the offer and withdrew from the match. And then 2 months later, I received the notice from the program that it would be closed permanently....and they refunded me my deposit money. I had to do a year of GPR and reapplied for ortho the following year.

Just WOW!
Maybe there is something to be said about applying to Match only programs. I know Match holds the applicants responsible for following through with the match results...they likely do the same with the programs. Kind of like choosing banks that are FDIC insured to hold your money.
This really put things in perspective for me. Thanks charlestweed.

 

[mmc12]

Any program that is three years and makes you get an MS degree is prob more research heavy

 

[charlestweed]

Just WOW!
Maybe there is something to be said about applying to Match only programs. I know Match holds the applicants responsible for following through with the match results...they likely do the same with the programs. Kind of like choosing banks that are FDIC insured to hold your money.
This really put things in perspective for me. Thanks charlestweed.

Even if this program participated in the match, I don't think my acceptance spot would have been secured either. You probably heard about the closure of Northwestern dental school in the late 90s. Northwestern accepted 3 people in my class: 2 (myself and another classmate of mine) for ortho and 1 for perio. The classmate, who got accepted to ortho with me, fought hard and he found a program that was willing to adopt him as an extra resident.....it's UIC, another program in Chicago. The classmate, who got accepted to perio, also found a spot at another program, UCSF perio. I was too timid to ask other programs to help me. I reapplied the following year and got accepted to another 24-month nonmatch program, that charged me $13k/year in tuition (vs Northwestern's $25k/year tuition).

 

[A Sweet Tooth]

Hey past/current applicants, anyone know of any programs that require your undergrad transcripts to be sent in? And what about DAT scores?

 

[A Sweet Tooth]

If you are talking about Bronxcare, then they emailed me this morning and said the only thing to send in is supplemental app, fee, and have ada email NDBE scores to them. DAT and transcripts are either not needed or done through the PASS application.

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I saw this thread (DAT scores and dental specialty), and was just wondering if there were any ortho programs that wanted DAT scores or transcripts. So they might through PASS?

 

[sw33tt00th]

Speaking of undergrad transcripts, does anyone know if undergraduate grades affect our chances at acceptance into orthodontic residencies?

 

[Buck-E-Badger]

Speaking of undergrad transcripts, does anyone know if undergraduate grades affect our chances at acceptance into orthodontic residencies?

I was wondering the same thing when I realized that most programs require your undergraduate transcripts. I did a little digging and it looks like it is one of the lower valued parameters by program directors when extending interviews and then again when ranking applicants according to a study done over a decade ago. It's my hope that our achievements throughout dental school outweigh any misdirection we may have had 5+ years ago - I did the bare minimum to get into dental school, but have since taken full advantage of the opportunities afforded me. If it's any consolation, I've heard the only time undergraduate transcripts really come into play are for 6-year OMFS residencies where the medical school may have stipulations regarding resident GPAs for pursuing the MD in addition to the certificate.

 

[ssm38]

Has anyone found information on whether orthodontic residency interviews will be virtual? I heard most endo residency and medical residency interviews will be online. Will this affect how many programs each person will apply to?

 

[mmc12]

I can't speak for all schools, but some of the orthodontic residency programs did state that their interviews would be virtual on their websites. I heard it could be beneficial for us as it would lower travel costs and we'd be able to avoid certain challenges (ie, wire-bending) that some schools typically brought up in order to see how we'd fare.

True, but you always won’t be able to see the clinics, talk to residents, see how clinic flows, etc...

 

[sdds264]

Hi there! Does anyone know if we are notified if we are rejected from a school? Or do we only hear back if we get an interview?

 

[denticle]

Did anyone apply to UCLA? Does the institutional evaluation count as a PEF? From their website it sounds like they want 5 LORs.

 

[sdds264]

Any Canadian applicants here? Has anyone had any luck with taking the ADAT in Ontario? My exam keeps getting cancelled/rescheduled, and no one is able to tell me if the exam is actually being held or not.