Official Holiday WW Game Thread

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Re-reading my own notes I just posted... Phil and Nohika stand out. I think one of those give us the best shot of getting a wolf.

Phil has put up a very mild defense this time around, which is kind of unusual... she has tended to overreact to lynch votes in the past. that is suspicous...

But, I am going to lynch Nohika.

Just feel like she is the perfect conversion candidate, and she has been pretty much ignored.
 
What I see is DVMD asking a lot "questions". Questions she knows no one has the answer too. I got busted for wolf WAY back in the day because I was just so intentionally "unknowning" - you know, just asking questions. Don't we all want answers?

And with all of this she seems to be trying to toss crap in my direction and the direction of Philli, trying to see what sticks. Me or philli.

Devyn is still alive (odd) and not giving us the 411 on DVMD - I understand finals and eye issues, busy and whatnot, we all are. Though at this point it seems like everyone left is checking out "clean" - so someone, somewhere is a rat. Bottom line.

I'm beginning to strongly suspect a devyn/DVMD combo. With the wolves cleverly giving up their own as needed to win while at the same time spinning a tale about "newbie" wolves who don't know how to play or who to kill, etc.

lynch DVMD

welcome to the endgame peeps
 
Re-reading my own notes I just posted... Phil and Nohika stand out. I think one of those give us the best shot of getting a wolf.

Phil has put up a very mild defense this time around, which is kind of unusual... she has tended to overreact to lynch votes in the past. that is suspicous...

But, I am going to lynch Nohika.

Just feel like she is the perfect conversion candidate, and she has been pretty much ignored.

As much as I'd like to be converted some games, I haven't been in this one. 😳 I've just had more going on than I expected to have to deal with. I haven't had any items and despite being Frosty, I was told my role would be revealed "if needed" and apparently it hasn't been needed.

Half the lynches are at times that I can't make (EST makes early morning lynches difficult). Half the time I either mis-judge the deadline or work/am at school. You know me as a wolf. I wouldn't act this suspiciously. I'm not that stupid, for one. I'm a good wolf.

So...hmm. I'm going to think a bit and work on this stupid paper.
 
Hey all, I'm back. Quite a trip home - our driver hit a patch of something and went into the median (fairly decent snowstorm this weekend here) ... we ended up with one side of the car on the ground and the other side suspended on the wire railing in the median. The flatbed tow truck guy (who made it before the cops, of course) said it would require a boom truck to hoist it off.

Anyway, other than that the spay/neuter/wellness trip was excellent.

Had high hopes y'all would do better while I was gone. I really have no idea who to lynch.

That said, I halfheartedly agree that DVMD seems .... off .... this game. I saw where she said it's the whole end-of-semester, packing-to-go-home stuff, but .... eh.

So, lynch dvmd
 
Maybe you guys should all wait until you see those investigation results from last night. SOV said I was investigated last night, I am a villager. Those results will show that.
 
Otherwise, I don't have much to go on... Jdh, I always ask "questions", that is how I play the game, especially as a villager with no role and no ability to investigate. Orca was able to block players at night so we had thought a few times that maybe she blocked a wolf. Last night she was most suspicious of philliab, SnS, and jdh.... Although there was also mention of LIS and SOV. Obviously, SnS was wrong but orca really seemed suspicious of philliab.. I am going with her idea, although I have equal suspicions of both jdh and LIS as well... Especially with jdh being mostly absent and then flying back in here to only throw suspicion on the one person who was investigated most recently.

Also, you can look back where I say that zany cleared me with Santa's list earlier in the game, orca more or less confirmed this when she agreed with me that zany had told her in a PM that she trusted me, so with last night's investigation that means I have been cleared twice.
 
That said, I halfheartedly agree that DVMD seems .... off .... this game. I saw where she said it's the whole end-of-semester, packing-to-go-home stuff, but .... eh.

So, lynch dvmd

You seem a bit "off" this game too, ya I know spay/neuter trip, you were gone all weekend, still.. Eh... You just are "off".... Doesn't hardly seem like a good excuse to me... 🙄
 
I know DVMD was investigated last night, but I have not seen the results yet.
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Wait. Philli said she investigated orca last night. Something is wrong here. And since it is the middle of the night for most of you I don't think many will see this till it's too late.
 
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With the wolves cleverly giving up their own as needed to win while at the same time spinning a tale about "newbie" wolves who don't know how to play or who to kill, etc.

lynch DVMD

welcome to the endgame peeps

Wait a second, this is exactly the same thing I said but attempted to be weaved in a way to not make you look suspicious, clever...

Yes, the newbie wolves had been voting to lynch each other throughout the game, it isn't hard to go back and see that as a fact. And what "tale"? The majority of the wolves lynched have never been wolves before, thus making then newbies.... There is no " tale" being " spun" only fact.
 
Wait. Philli said she investigated orca last night. Something is wrong here. And since it is the middle of the night for most of you I don't think many will see this till it's too late.

I think I was investigated by a role not an item, hopefully that person can clear me before lynching ends, but I will understand if they can't.
 
Sorry guise.... just PMed my group and now can quickly come on here before studying my arse off before my next final in a few hours...

SDN was down all yesterday and I barely had time to check in once it did come back up as I was studying a ton... I have finals for the next 2 weeks, so I am a bit busy... but as everyone here knows I never turn down WW

I am not sure why me being unable to PM during an SDN outage makes me suspicious, but whatevs.... :laugh:

I am tempted to lynch jdh for being a goon 😛 but I assume he just doesn't know my WW playing style having only played with me once in the lounge, so I will give him a pass for now....

as for DVM.... she is clear as of last night - so unless she is able to avoid investigation - I would recommend not lynching her

I am not sure who the heck the wolf is, but I am beginning to think there is only one wolf left and we are looking for a needle in a freaking haystack! 😡

so... I am going to go with Packen's suspicion for now

lynch Phil's Lab
 
Unofficial tally

Philliab - 4 (Pack, DVMD, Dev, LIS)
FH - 1 (Philli)
nohika - 1 (SOV)
DVMD - 1 (jdh)

Just noticed nohika was on, but didn't vote, unless i missed it. Will go back and check

Oh, and LIS, wanted to add I am glad you are ok from yesterday's accident
 
Just noticed nohika was on, but didn't vote, unless i missed it. Will go back and check

To clarify, by on, I meant she was around last night and could have voted, she took the time to defend herself. But no, she didn't vote this lynch either...
 
Nobody trusts anybody else. The singing is cut short, no lessons have been learned. The villagers tie philliab up and play ring toss with their wreaths. And then set her on fire.

You have burned philliab, a villager

Whoville:
1. lissarae -villager
2. swingnsave - oogie boogie
3. wldlfstdnt - villager
4. The LIS
5. Foxhunter

North Pole:
1. zany - villager
2. DVMD
3. orcagirl - ghost of Christmas Past
4.tropictuco - Ebenezer Scrooge
5. Krist - villager

Island of Misfit Toys:
1. kakuru - villager
2. wolfspeaker - villager
3. equineconstant - villager
4. T4C - villager
5. EngrSC - villager

Polar Express:
1. jdh
2. FFM - Rudolph
3. FTB - professor hinkle
4. devyn
5. SOV

London - Muppet Version:
1. Philliab - villager
2. nohika - Frosty
3. kaydubs - villager
4. SnS - villager
5.hedgie - The Grinch
6.Packen

night deadline - I'm at work all day again and its not fun to send PMs from a phone. So you'll just have to deal with it at 7:30 pm.
 
Wow, I really really really thought Philli was going to be a wolf. I don't know anything anymore.
 
Dearest Santa (aka Our North Pole Mod)

I have been very good this year. I ate all my vegetables and picked up my room regularly. I have also been nice to my little brother.

This year I would really like a super wolf killing gun item that I can use over night to kill wolves. Just to remind you, I have been really good!! Plus everyone else has gotten cool things in their stockings. I promise not to shoot my own eye out with it!!

Yours truly,
Packen

PS - here is a pic of what I want 😉

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Oooooooo, or if you're feeling generous Santa, the upgraded version

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I'll stop now. Back to anithelmentics.
 
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Phil has put up a very mild defense this time around, which is kind of unusual... she has tended to overreact to lynch votes in the past. that is suspicous...

:laugh: Wonder why...does the word "framed" ring any bells, SOV? I believe I'm not the only one in this group that has "overreacted" to being lynched as a villager. 🙄 😉

Good luck villagers! :luck:

Maybe I'll see you SDN folks around again sometime. Good luck to everyone finishing exams and have a wonderful holiday season! Thanks again for all the advice and camaraderie over the years. 😍

Phil's Lab is OUT
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I am very suspicious of jdh... very, very suspicious. Also, suspicious of LIS... he doesn't usually jump onto other votes that easily..

Uh huh. Someone posted that you were investigated last night and found to be a villager, so it made sense for me to unlynch you. Now I'm regretting having done so, because I'm starting to think JDH was right about you and Devyn. It DID go through my mind when Devyn said you were cleared to wonder if there was any real investigation, or if you, Devyn, and SOV are all in cahoots, with SOV claiming to know you were being investigated and then Devyn doing the actual "clearing", but...

Anyway, I think you, SOV, and Devyn are the most likely wolves at this point.
 
I am very suspicious of jdh... very, very suspicious. Also, suspicious of LIS... he doesn't usually jump onto other votes that easily..

Well, for the record, I am not suspicious of me. Not in the least.

Notice who I did not vote for and who you did Phil, now dead by lynch, and also a villager, not a wolf - you were in on that band wagon, not me. You've been tossing crap in my direction looking for something to stick for a while. You've been at it more often, I am guessing because when the wolves tried to kill me they were unable to and have no clue what happened. So what I would say, is that if you are actually a villager and you'd like to win, I'd quit fighting with me about it and try and figure out who the rest of the people who are left are wolves. Asking questions just to be making noise, which is what you're doing, isn't exactly the behavior of a villager trying to find a wolf. You're looking to cast suspicions on people, so if you're not a wolf, that seems like a pretty piss poor way to play the game.

I can see how I am being played by devyn (and possibly SOV) in my own house. Like I said before the only reason devyn is still alive at this point is probably because she is a wolf. Reminds me of the LotRs game when it dawned on me why nutmeg was still playing . . . So when she checks you out, I have a hard time believing her when she says you're a villager. SOV is somewhat in her corner - apparently had Santa's list, though if he's a wolf too, it wouldn't have been too much trouble to make up the list results.

At this point, I think I am just going to have to try lynch you if possible, provided I survive the coming night, just to see or . . . try and lynch devyn . . .who is our "seer" and apparently still alive so "unexpectedly" this late in the game.

We'll see if I'm still alive in the morning . . . 😉
 
Uh huh. Someone posted that you were investigated last night and found to be a villager, so it made sense for me to unlynch you. Now I'm regretting having done so, because I'm starting to think JDH was right about you and Devyn. It DID go through my mind when Devyn said you were cleared to wonder if there was any real investigation, or if you, Devyn, and SOV are all in cahoots, with SOV claiming to know you were being investigated and then Devyn doing the actual "clearing", but...

Anyway, I think you, SOV, and Devyn are the most likely wolves at this point.

👍

I think all that snow did good for our deductive minds there LIS . . . digging my way out this morning was bull****
 
Uh huh. Someone posted that you were investigated last night and found to be a villager, so it made sense for me to unlynch you. Now I'm regretting having done so, because I'm starting to think JDH was right about you and Devyn. It DID go through my mind when Devyn said you were cleared to wonder if there was any real investigation, or if you, Devyn, and SOV are all in cahoots, with SOV claiming to know you were being investigated and then Devyn doing the actual "clearing", but...

Anyway, I think you, SOV, and Devyn are the most likely wolves at this point.

You are not your normal self in this game... bottom line. You usually have many more ideas and the fact that you have just been agreeing with people on lynches especially these last few (and no, not just today's) stands out... you are usually the one to lynch whoever you feel is most suspicious in your mind and not to just jump on other's opinions, especially with you agreeing with a lynch of mine a while back... really odd.

By the way, what happened to using that veto early? You thought it was a great idea and then just dropped the ball.... I think it is about time we lose that veto, since we all know that it mostly benefits wolves at the end game, especially since you believe our "seer" has been converted.. you obviously won't use it to protect any of the valuable players.
 
I still am curious about what happened the night jdh was supposedly attacked. If it wasn't FFM and it wasn't orca blocking SnS, what happened? I don't want to out someone with a protective ability, but it seems odd that in a game with just a few roles that there would be two protectors, and as far as I know, the only other item that protects is the sleigh - or at least avoids an attack.

I don't know what the benefit of making the story up would be though...wouldn't it better to say nothing and just let us all speculate?
 
Well, for the record, I am not suspicious of me. Not in the least.

Probably one of the dumbest comments I have seen in one of these games... nobody is going to be suspicious of themselves, they know exactly who they are and what side they are on... This is almost as award-winning as your comment yesterday, "I wouldn't investigate me, because it would be a waste." That stands out a lot... why wouldn't you be welcome to investigation... I say investigate me 100x over, the results will not change, you won't be finding wolves in the meantime, but if it makes people feel better, keep on investigating me.

Notice who I did not vote for and who you did Phil, now dead by lynch, and also a villager, not a wolf - you were in on that band wagon, not me. You've been tossing crap in my direction looking for something to stick for a while. You've been at it more often, I am guessing because when the wolves tried to kill me they were unable to and have no clue what happened. So what I would say, is that if you are actually a villager and you'd like to win, I'd quit fighting with me about it and try and figure out who the rest of the people who are left are wolves. Asking questions just to be making noise, which is what you're doing, isn't exactly the behavior of a villager trying to find a wolf. You're looking to cast suspicions on people, so if you're not a wolf, that seems like a pretty piss poor way to play the game.

Actually, go look... Find a "question" that I have asked... Go for it. I believe my last question was about the grinch heart quite a while back.... You were super active in the beginning of this game... telling everyone your "theory" of "lynching the good/veteran wolves" and then finding FTB and being like, "oh yeah... look at me I was right.." and then disappearing until now, now that the game is about to come to an end... that is very fishy... and now you are throwing suspicion back onto the "seer" and the last person most recently cleared (and probably one of the only people who has been cleared TWICE). You are basically trying to claim a near impossibility that all three, myself, devyn and SOV have been converted and are all clearing each other like we are the stupidest wolf back ever.... Seriously. No wolf pack is going to do a three-way clearing of each other, especially the players that you are claiming to be doing so... They would be more willing to let one of their wolves take the fall than to look that dumb. And your excuse of, "well look who was NOT lynching Philliab, blah, blah, blah..." Your lynch would have also killed a villager so just because my suspicion along with Packen's, devyn's, orca's (as she told me in PM) and even SOV was suspicious was wrong does not mean that you were right..... and with the investigation results you have been proven wrong. And anyone can come out and claim that they were "targeted" that does not mean they were. The red light makes no damn sense because Rudolph was dead.... I could easily see you pulling some BS claiming that you were attacked.

I can see how I am being played by devyn (and possibly SOV) in my own house. Like I said before the only reason devyn is still alive at this point is probably because she is a wolf. Reminds me of the LotRs game when it dawned on me why nutmeg was still playing . . . So when she checks you out, I have a hard time believing her when she says you're a villager. SOV is somewhat in her corner - apparently had Santa's list, though if he's a wolf too, it wouldn't have been too much trouble to make up the list results.

At this point, I think I am just going to have to try lynch you if possible, provided I survive the coming night, just to see or . . . try and lynch devyn . . .who is our "seer" and apparently still alive so "unexpectedly" this late in the game.

We'll see if I'm still alive in the morning . . . 😉

Yeah... the possibility of the three of us being wolves and all clearing each other is slim... very slim... you are grasping at straws. I don't put it past you to be a cunning wolf because I know that is how you play the game. I can tell you this much... I don't know anything about devyn or SOV... I know that if devyn were a wolf she made a rather dumb move to come on her and clear me as a villager when it would have been much easier to have remained silent and just let me get lynched. SOV is usually frantic as a wolf... constantly looking out to see if someone is on to him and constantly afraid that he is going to be "found out"... he is much calmer this game than he would be as a wolf... although he is usually really good at stabbing me in the back.
 
I still am curious about what happened the night jdh was supposedly attacked. If it wasn't FFM and it wasn't orca blocking SnS, what happened? I don't want to out someone with a protective ability, but it seems odd that in a game with just a few roles that there would be two protectors, and as far as I know, the only other item that protects is the sleigh - or at least avoids an attack.

I don't know what the benefit of making the story up would be though...wouldn't it better to say nothing and just let us all speculate?

This is a good point, but I doubt we are going to find the answer until after the game. The only thing I can think of is the wolves were desperate to make us think there was no conversion. But why? 😕

If it wasn't an attack, that would make 2 nights in a row that there no kills back then.
 
I can see a few possibilities at this point:

-I am right about jdh and possibly LIS, although at this point I am more suspicious of jdh, but the fact that the two of them were in disagreement for most of the beginning of the game and are now completely agreeing with each other is really a big red flag in my mind.

-I am wrong, jdh is wrong (I know he is about me) and the wolves are sitting back and watching us go after each other, if this is the case, chances are one of us will probably be attacked tonight to make the other look suspicious.


*At this point, I don't see any reason for LIS to still have the veto (his response to this will say a lot), he obviously will now only use it to save himself since he believes that our good roles have been converted and it is really only of good use to the wolves. I will be quite interested to see how he responds to this because that will tell me a lot about how he is playing the game.*
 
SOV is usually frantic as a wolf... constantly looking out to see if someone is on to him and constantly afraid that he is going to be "found out"... he is much calmer this game than he would be as a wolf... although he is usually really good at stabbing me in the back.

Remember the game where I feel like everyone was a wolf? And nyanko had to keep telling SOV to relax?? :laugh:

As for the protection or whatever happened the night with the bright light, I am going to come out and say I think the story is mighty fishy and it makes jdh seem suspicious. Because FFM didn't do it, and the only other protection device in the game is an item, and I am sure jdh would know if he had it.
 
This is a good point, but I doubt we are going to find the answer until after the game. The only thing I can think of is the wolves were desperate to make us think there was no conversion. But why? 😕

If it wasn't an attack, that would make 2 nights in a row that there no kills back then.

Maybe one of the nights there really was protection, but jdh's story seems really off... I mean, a bright red light drew him out of his house and into the woods and then his house was ransacked? Honestly, does dyachei ever give THAT much detail in her PMs, I know that orca was telling me she wasn't receiving much detail at all from dyachei... Rudolph was not alive and I have yet to hear of an item that would be equivalent to a bright, red light guiding him out of the house... that sounds an awful lot like Rudolph to me. :shrug:

And didn't someone mention something about a strand of lights earlier in the game.. that also blocks people??? Has anyone seen this since then or used it?
 
Probably one of the dumbest comments I have seen in one of these games... nobody is going to be suspicious of themselves, they know exactly who they are and what side they are on... This is almost as award-winning as your comment yesterday, "I wouldn't investigate me, because it would be a waste." That stands out a lot... why wouldn't you be welcome to investigation... I say investigate me 100x over, the results will not change, you won't be finding wolves in the meantime, but if it makes people feel better, keep on investigating me.

Someone. And I'm not going to name names (because I am a gentleman) . . . needs to adjust the calibration on her deadpan humor detector

Actually, go look... Find a "question" that I have asked... Go for it. I believe my last question was about the grinch heart quite a while back.... You were super active in the beginning of this game... telling everyone your "theory" of "lynching the good/veteran wolves" and then finding FTB and being like, "oh yeah... look at me I was right.." and then disappearing until now, now that the game is about to come to an end... that is very fishy...

But that's not how it happened. We've been over the lynch good players bit a zillions times, no real need to rehash (I still think I'm correct about that). My FTB lynch was not because I was trying to lynch veteran players, but rather because FFM was killed. If you're going to throw around wild accusations at least get the story straight, ya know?

and now you are throwing suspicion back onto the "seer" and the last person most recently cleared (and probably one of the only people who has been cleared TWICE).

Yes, I am. A KNOWN seer alive so long in the game who just "cleared" you. It's not rocket science math. It is suspicious.

You are basically trying to claim a near impossibility that all three, myself, devyn and SOV have been converted and are all clearing each other like we are the stupidest wolf back ever.... Seriously.

It's not impossible in a WW game, but that not what I'm claiming. I don't know about SOV - at all. Though, I wouldn't put it past SOV and devyn working together to pull the wool over my eyes. Also, as above, if you are a wolf and working with devyn, it would be pretty easy and convenient to be "cleared" at this point in the game.

No wolf pack is going to do a three-way clearing of each other, especially the players that you are claiming to be doing so... They would be more willing to let one of their wolves take the fall than to look that dumb.

It's an interesting gambit, but if you've got certain players on board, you might go with it if it seems like it is working. I've also seen something similar work before. The games have gotten complex like that.

And your excusep

It wasn't an excuse, it was a fact. You voted to lynch a villager.

of, "well look who was NOT lynching Philliab, blah, blah, blah..." Your lynch would have also killed a villager so just because my suspicion along with Packen's, devyn's, orca's (as she told me in PM) and even SOV was suspicious was wrong does not mean that you were right..... and with the investigation results you have been proven wrong. And anyone can come out and claim that they were "targeted" that does not mean they were. The red light makes no damn sense because Rudolph was dead.... I could easily see you pulling some BS claiming that you were attacked.

So this is the thanks I get for letting the group know probably why there was no death the night before? I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. Speak too much. Don't speak enough. Anything I say means I'm a wolf? Ok. Not sure what there is left to talk about here when your views of me are so fixed and false.

Yeah... the possibility of the three of us being wolves and all clearing each other is slim... very slim... you are grasping at straws. I don't put it past you to be a cunning wolf because I know that is how you play the game. I can tell you this much... I don't know anything about devyn or SOV... I know that if devyn were a wolf she made a rather dumb move to come on her and clear me as a villager when it would have been much easier to have remained silent and just let me get lynched. SOV is usually frantic as a wolf... constantly looking out to see if someone is on to him and constantly afraid that he is going to be "found out"... he is much calmer this game than he would be as a wolf... although he is usually really good at stabbing me in the back.

Well. Maybe. All I'm saying is that you keep trying to throw suspcions on me, which would be the exact tactic that a group of wolves would have to take if they thought that a particular player couldn't be killed at night.

Like I said if you are a villager, then you're wasting a lot of precious and valuable time trying to lynch me. The wolves devide and conquer. And you'll be left (again) in this game being shown that you have ZERO clue what you're going on about. And you do go on about a lot.

Perhaps we should talk about what we know. There is at least one wolf left, or there would be no game being played.

Why don't we do something useful and start a list of everyone who has been cleared, by who/what.

I know devyn has cleared, LIS, SOV, myself, and DVMD.
Santas list has cleared Devyn.

I don't have time atm to go bakc through the entire thread. Who is yet to be cleared? And by what/who? I think the devil will be in these details somewhere.
 
I can see a few possibilities at this point:

-I am right about jdh and possibly LIS, although at this point I am more suspicious of jdh, but the fact that the two of them were in disagreement for most of the beginning of the game and are now completely agreeing with each other is really a big red flag in my mind.

-I am wrong, jdh is wrong (I know he is about me) and the wolves are sitting back and watching us go after each other, if this is the case, chances are one of us will probably be attacked tonight to make the other look suspicious.


*At this point, I don't see any reason for LIS to still have the veto (his response to this will say a lot), he obviously will now only use it to save himself since he believes that our good roles have been converted and it is really only of good use to the wolves. I will be quite interested to see how he responds to this because that will tell me a lot about how he is playing the game.*

Do you see what I'm talking about yet. You're fixated on me. It's not a winning thought process.
 
Why don't we do something useful and start a list of everyone who has been cleared, by who/what.

I know devyn has cleared, LIS, SOV, myself, and DVMD.
Santas list has cleared Devyn.

I don't have time atm to go bakc through the entire thread. Who is yet to be cleared? And by what/who? I think the devil will be in these details somewhere.

😱

No one ever agrees with me that it is a good idea to list who has been cleared when and by who/ what means... wow... I am shocked. I find at a certain point (being now since everyone has been "cleared") that there is no point in hiding the information. Unfortunately, I can't add much....

I know devyn has cleared (maybe add which nights?):
LIS,
SOV,
jdh,
DVMD.

Santas list has cleared (adding nights would be good):

Devyn
DVMD - via zany on night 2 or 3? (Can figure out exactly which night if needed).
 
Do you see what I'm talking about yet. You're fixated on me. It's not a winning thought process.

Anyone can repeatedly say... "you are wrong about me." You are saying I am wrong about you... I am saying you are wrong about me.... we are either both right or ONE of us is wrong... I KNOW I am a villager... You are going to say that you KNOW you are a villager.... we could go back and forth like this until we are blue in the face... the point is that neither of us is going to figure out who is "wrong" or "right" until either one of us gets lynched or killed or until the game ends.
 
So this is the thanks I get for letting the group know probably why there was no death the night before? I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. Speak too much. Don't speak enough. Anything I say means I'm a wolf? Ok. Not sure what there is left to talk about here when your views of me are so fixed and false.

I can say the same thing about you being suspicious of me. I don't speak enough earlier in the game, I am suspicious. I speak too much now, I am suspicious.... My mind goes a million miles a minute in these games... I think, get an idea, and tell people about it... the only people I currently have to tell is everyone via the thread.... so I will probably jump all over the place towards the end of the game... you witnessed this during the last game you just created...so to tell me that it seems weird that I am doing that does not make sense, because it is the same thing that I do as a villager at the end of the game in every single game.
 
You are not your normal self in this game... bottom line. You usually have many more ideas and the fact that you have just been agreeing with people on lynches especially these last few (and no, not just today's) stands out... you are usually the one to lynch whoever you feel is most suspicious in your mind and not to just jump on other's opinions

That's exactly what I did. Look at my lynch vote pattern: I voted for people I thought were suspicious, even when it was just me all on my own (like swingnsave) for multiple days in a row. I switched away from voting for you because of what appeared to be investigative results, which I usually put a high trust value in. It was a pretty fast decision last night because I knew I wouldn't be here this morning for the last few minutes of the lynch, and now I really regret making the switch because I think voting to lynch you was the right move.

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By the way, what happened to using that veto early? You thought it was a great idea and then just dropped the ball....

I clearly explained that: I thought, and think, it's a good idea for the mayor to burn the veto on night 1 or 2 when the odds are highest of randomly lynching a villager, unless there's some compelling reason to vote for a specific person. I also said, specifically, that I wasn't going to do it because I recognized that most people disagree with me on that strategy. My actions were consistent and clearly explained. And you know that. The fact that you're dredging that up and trying to use it to make me suspicious makes me much more comfortable with my lynch vote tomorrow against you.
 
The red light makes no damn sense because Rudolph was dead.... I could easily see you pulling some BS claiming that you were attacked.

Actually, it makes PERFECT sense - you just don't have all the information.

To everyone else (since DVMD clearly won't believe me), I'm not going to exactly all-out vouch for jdh, since I don't have investigative ability, but I will say that his story makes sense.
 
*At this point, I don't see any reason for LIS to still have the veto (his response to this will say a lot), he obviously will now only use it to save himself since he believes that our good roles have been converted and it is really only of good use to the wolves. I will be quite interested to see how he responds to this because that will tell me a lot about how he is playing the game.*

Well. You're right, and you're wrong. You're right that I will only use it to save myself. But that's not because of who I think is a wolf. It's because of who I know is a villager (me). I don't really have a very high degree of confidence in anyone else, including jdh (though right now his story and comments are making more sense to me than DVMD's wild ranting).

So. That's a really good reason for me to have it - to preserve the only person I am 100% confident is a villager.

The downside is that I presume the wolves will kill me tonight or tomorrow night because they are every bit as aware of it as I am.
 
That's exactly what I did. Look at my lynch vote pattern: I voted for people I thought were suspicious, even when it was just me all on my own (like swingnsave) for multiple days in a row. I switched away from voting for you because of what appeared to be investigative results, which I usually put a high trust value in. It was a pretty fast decision last night because I knew I wouldn't be here this morning for the last few minutes of the lynch, and now I really regret making the switch because I think voting to lynch you was the right move.

Then, if you regard investigation results so damn highly... why put the lynch out for me in the first place? It was made very clear that I was investigated last night and yet both you and jdh could not be patient enough to wait to hear the results.... But now those results no longer count... WHY? Because I am suspicious of you??? That does not discredit investigation results... I am willing to consider other people but you constantly agreeing with jdh and constantly on MY case really makes me more suspicious... instead of breathing down my back, maybe you could help look at the whole group of people and see if anything else makes sense. I would be glad to have you lynch me and discover that I am a villager, it would be hilarious, but it would do no good for getting rid of wolves... so as much as I would love to mock you, I ask that you actually try to find a wolf.

It is very unlikely that SOV, devyn and myself have ALL escaped investigation and are ALL wolves and we are ALL being dumb enough to vouch for each other.... and you know that.
 
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Dashing through the snooooowwwww......


Anyone want a gingerbread cookie?

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Actually, it makes PERFECT sense - you just don't have all the information.

To everyone else (since DVMD clearly won't believe me), I'm not going to exactly all-out vouch for jdh, since I don't have investigative ability, but I will say that his story makes sense.

I do remember you mentioning something about Rudolph before you left for the weekend... Honestly have no clue what is going on there... but FH hasn't been talking and you have claimed to have no role... although earlier you did question if there were really "villagers" in the game (this is on page 3).... So unless there is a new item that just got put into circulation... I would say role, but FH isn't talking and you don't have a role.... interesting.
 
I meant to vote last night, but I fell asleep at my computer about 1am my time working on that report. 😳 I'm not sure who I would've voted for anyways.

I'm guessing I've been cleared? At some point? I know people mentioned me on the cleared list at some point (or stopped mentioning me not on the cleared list)...
 
Then, if you regard investigation results so damn highly... why put the lynch out for me in the first place? It was made very clear that I was investigated last night and yet both you and jdh could not be patient enough to wait to hear the results.... But now those results no longer count... WHY? Because I am suspicious of you??? That does not discredit investigation results...

First off I don't "regard [them] so damn highly." I said I usually do. If the distinction is beyond you, I can't do much about that.

I already explained what happened. I voted for you because you are really, really suspicious to me. Yes, someone had said you were investigated, but the results weren't posted, and I had to make a decision. Then Devyn posted something and on my way to bed I checked in long enough to see that and make a quick switch.

Now today I regret it. I should have gone with my gut.

And, I explained why I think those supposed investigation results are discredited - because I think Devyn also is a wolf, and Devyn is the one claiming to vouch for you.

You can disagree with me all you want, but don't tell me I'm being inconsistent. I've very clearly explained my thought process. The fact that you keep trying to muddy things up is really driving my conclusion.
 
First off I don't "regard [them] so damn highly." I said I usually do. If the distinction is beyond you, I can't do much about that.

I already explained what happened. I voted for you because you are really, really suspicious to me. Yes, someone had said you were investigated, but the results weren't posted, and I had to make a decision. Then Devyn posted something and on my way to bed I checked in long enough to see that and make a quick switch.

Now today I regret it. I should have gone with my gut.

And, I explained why I think those supposed investigation results are discredited - because I think Devyn also is a wolf, and Devyn is the one claiming to vouch for you.

You can disagree with me all you want, but don't tell me I'm being inconsistent. I've very clearly explained my thought process. The fact that you keep trying to muddy things up is really driving my conclusion.

I haven't muddied up anything... everything I have said can be found in the thread.... You are wrong... I am not a wolf and I really doubt devyn is, but I can't say that with certainty. I am even less sure about SOV... all I can say is what I have said before... there is a great chance that either one of us is right (again, I can say until I am blue that I am a villager, but it means nothing and now apparently even being investigated more than once by more than one person is not enough, with another person agreeing in thread that what I have said is indeed accurate), or we are both wrong and the REAL wolves are laughing at us going after each other....

So I say it is time to put this aside and look at the bigger picture, we need to look at every player and determine if something sticks out at all about any of them... we aren't going to get anywhere by you, me and jdh going around in circles about each other... I get it... you think I am a wolf, jdh thinks I am a wolf, I think you MIGHT be and I think jdh MIGHT be (and I know I am NOT the only one who was suspicious of you two).... I don't know anything for certain... just stating my opinions.
 
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