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Just got finished with my 2nd exam of the day and then had to catch up on this thread.... you guise sure argue a whole hell of a lot..... I have to study for another final tomorrow - so I will be in and out tonight....


LetItSnow said:
It DID go through my mind when Devyn said you were cleared to wonder if there was any real investigation, or if you, Devyn, and SOV are all in cahoots, with SOV claiming to know you were being investigated and then Devyn doing the actual "clearing", but...
Anyway, I think you, SOV, and Devyn are the most likely wolves at this point.
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There was a real investigation, with real results.... DVM came back as a "villager". That is what I got in my PM from dyachei. Now if DVM can avoid investigation I don't know. But I do know that I did investigate her and those are the results I got. I am sure as hell not claiming to investigate her nor am I pretend "clearing" people. I investigated her because jdh wanted me to. In fact, I have investigated everyone jdh has asked me to, so not sure why he is all suspicious of me..... :eyebrow:


jdh71 said:
Yes, I am. A KNOWN seer alive so long in the game who just "cleared" you. It's not rocket science math. It is suspicious.
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Yeah I am starting to wonder as well why I am still alive in this damn game! It makes no bloody sense to me.... perhaps because at this point you have made me so damn suspicious on thread - why would the wolves want or need to kill me? if they have a wolf in their ranks who can avoid investigation they may not seem to think it is so necessary to kill the seer. On top of the fact that you have been the one driving all of my investigations - I have investigated every person you were "suspicious" of and all have come back as "villagers".... the only people I investigated originally without any input were you, SOV and FTB..... so makes me wonder if perhaps you are the alpha wolf..... and you can avoid investigation... if you have the seer working for you then you don't need to kill her do you? 🙄


Something is up here... not sure what....

but someone is FOS and it ain't me
 
StartingoverVet said:
I just asked Devyn that in PM.... she says that she thinks JDH investigated LIS with Santa's list. 😱
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Interesting...

Combine that with LIS claiming to not know about there being "villagers" here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13361884&postcount=144


And claiming to have no nighttime actions here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13378952&postcount=483


And then saying something about "Rudolph" here to the person that "investigated him":

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13399552&postcount=836

And then jdh coming out with his story about the "red light" and LIS claiming that his story makes sense, but how would LIS know, remember he has no nighttime activities....

Seems like they are doing a lot of clearing of each other....
 
devyn said:
There was a real investigation, with real results.... DVM came back as a "villager". That is what I got in my PM from dyachei. Now if DVM can avoid investigation I don't know. But I do know that I did investigate her and those are the results I got. I am sure as hell not claiming to investigate her nor am I pretend "clearing" people. I investigated her because jdh wanted me to. In fact, I have investigated everyone jdh has asked me to, so not sure why he is all suspicious of me..... :eyebrow:

Yeah I am starting to wonder as well why I am still alive in this damn game! It makes no bloody sense to me.... perhaps because at this point you have made me so damn suspicious on thread - why would the wolves want or need to kill me? if they have a wolf in their ranks who can avoid investigation they may not seem to think it is so necessary to kill the seer. On top of the fact that you have been the one driving all of my investigations - I have investigated every person you were "suspicious" of and all have come back as "villagers".... the only people I investigated originally without any input were you, SOV and FTB..... so makes me wonder if perhaps you are the alpha wolf..... and you can avoid investigation... if you have the seer working for you then you don't need to kill her do you? 🙄


Something is up here... not sure what....

but someone is FOS and it ain't me
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Well, what I would say is that if I was keeping a seer alive just to keep them alive, I wouldn't toss them under the bus now, but much, much later in the game.

I am paranoid.

You've cleared someone that probably has to be a wolf. Doesn't mean you're a wolf. But it sure would stoke the paranoia flames.
 
jdh71 said:
Well, what I would say is that if I was keeping a seer alive just to keep them alive, I wouldn't toss them under the bus now, but much, much later in the game.

I am paranoid.

You've cleared someone that probably has to be a wolf. Doesn't mean you're a wolf. But it sure would stoke the paranoia flames.
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Ok, but maybe I am a bit daft, but until the whole Philli saying she used the list and then DVMD getting cleared in the same night, I just assumed that there was only one way of investigating. IF you had killed devyn and we found out she was the seer, then it would be pretty obvious it was you or SOV, so I assume the reason she is still alive is because of this.
 
Packen said:
Ok, but maybe I am a bit daft, but until the whole Philli saying she used the list and then DVMD getting cleared in the same night, I just assumed that there was only one way of investigating. IF you had killed devyn and we found out she was the seer, then it would be pretty obvious it was you or SOV, so I assume the reason she is still alive is because of this.
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I have to agree. I had no clue that devyn was a seer until jdh mentioned it today...
 
Packen said:
So who investigated LIS?????????
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Just checked back on PMs and I cleared LIS night 4. Sorry for the confusion, for some reason I thought it was jdh when SOV PMed me... my brain is mush


DVMDream said:
I have to agree. I had no clue that devyn was a seer until jdh mentioned it today...
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yeah seems no one did except my group.... so perhaps that is why I am still alive.... not sure how much longer though ugh..... protection needed
 
Packen said:
Ok, but maybe I am a bit daft, but until the whole Philli saying she used the list and then DVMD getting cleared in the same night, I just assumed that there was only one way of investigating. IF you had killed devyn and we found out she was the seer, then it would be pretty obvious it was you or SOV, so I assume the reason she is still alive is because of this.
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Well, yeah, I suppose, that would all be speculation, but then there would still be no reason to try lynch her now if I was a wolf.
 
jdh71 said:
She outed herself after the first night, but I guess no one was paying attention.
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Not really.
1) It was unclear if her investigation was from role or item
2) It was possible that any of us was the true seer. I always assume the person giving out the information is NOT the seer, and most of us in pre-vet do as well. Not to mention we coincidentally both were trying to lynch FTB before the info came out, so it could easily have been any of us.

This is why I was always vague about investigation results, and oftentimes was the one conveying that info. I figured better my death than Devyn's.

But I think today it was more obvious that she was the seer, although not 100%. You saying she was confirmed as the seer was a bit overkill there.

Or was it?

Maybe we are still fecking with the wolves brains?

Perhaps this is still one big mind-feck so the wolves aren't really sure..... And since we have FFM to protect the REAL seer .....

suck on THAT wolves!
 
DVMDream said:
I don't see it... would you care to enlighten me as to where she did this?
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I guess it wasn't the first night. She waited to clear me and SOV before telling us.

But I thought it was obvious she outed herself

here and here

Could be my perspective from modding many games but I tend to think whoever is spilling the beans is probably the seer, because they usually are.

This was apparently not very clear to everyone else.
 
jdh71 said:
I guess it wasn't the first night. She waited to clear me and SOV before telling us.

But I thought it was obvious she outed herself

here and here

Could be my perspective from modding many games but I tend to think whoever is spilling the beans is probably the seer, because they usually are.

This was apparently not very clear to everyone else.
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No... because usually whoever is spilling the beans is not the seer... unless it is on the first night. I have seen the same happen in lounge games too... the seer clears someone or multiple people they can trust and has them give out the information and not themselves... it is a common tactic to keep wolves guessing as to who the seer really is...

Kind of surprised by your response because in the vast majority of the games I have played the seer does not spill the beans, they might on occasion but they usually do not.
 
DVMDream said:
No... because usually whoever is spilling the beans is not the seer... unless it is on the first night. I have seen the same happen in lounge games too... the seer clears someone or multiple people they can trust and has them give out the information and not themselves... it is a common tactic to keep wolves guessing as to who the seer really is...

Kind of surprised by your response because in the vast majority of the games I have played the seer does not spill the beans, they might on occasion but they usually do not.
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yes this is usually the case in most games - and I had intended this as my plan....

by the time I got to the computer to give my results to the boys - they had already spoke on thread, so I knew I had to spill the beans... but knew from past games that everyone would assume I was not the seer, so I was good to go....

so NO I never outed myself....
 
DVMDream said:
No... because usually whoever is spilling the beans is not the seer... unless it is on the first night. I have seen the same happen in lounge games too... the seer clears someone or multiple people they can trust and has them give out the information and not themselves... it is a common tactic to keep wolves guessing as to who the seer really is...

Kind of surprised by your response because in the vast majority of the games I have played the seer does not spill the beans, they might on occasion but they usually do not.
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well, I guess your anecdote trumps mine . . . can't argue with that cool story bro

here's what we do know, you have a history of making up wild-ass nonsense that usually is not correct and screwing the villagers with it, over and over and over again.

hell, at this point I'm not even convinced you are a wolf but merely playing your same stupid bull****, and should be lynched either way and then the adults can sit down and figure out the rest of the game without your noise
 
devyn said:
yes this is usually the case in most games - and I had intended this as my plan....

by the time I got to the computer to give my results to the boys - they had already spoke on thread, so I knew I had to spill the beans... but knew from past games that everyone would assume I was not the seer, so I was good to go....

so NO I never outed myself....
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I thought you had. Sorry luv.
 
jdh71 said:
well, I guess your anecdote trumps mine . . . can't argue with that cool story bro

here's what we do know, you have a history of making up wild-ass nonsense that usually is not correct and screwing the villagers with it, over and over and over again.

hell, at this point I'm not even convinced you are a wolf but merely playing your same stupid bull****, and should be lynched either way and then the adults can sit down and figure out the rest of the game without your noise
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Right, because lynching a villager helps out in what way exactly? Other than to get the wolves that much closer to a lead...

And what adults?? You and LIS? Because you two are the only ones agreeing with each other... Seriously, just because you disagree with me does not make your ideas ANY better than mine... You haven't had any ideas at all lately minus to lynch me... which won't get you a wolf... at least I am making an attempt at communicating and getting us to a wolf... you just keep coming up with random ****e.. such as the "seer" is bad and the person she investigated most recently and the person who investigated her... they are all bad... completely ignoring the fact that devyn was NOT the only person to investigate me...

You have to admit that LIS coming back as a "villager" via investigation but not even realizing that "villagers" exist in the game is really fecking odd...
 
DVMDream said:
You have to admit that LIS coming back as a "villager" via investigation but not even realizing that "villagers" exist in the game is really fecking odd...
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Actually, I think that quote (looked at all the one's you posted) is taken out of context. I think he was questioning what SOV said about basically everyone was a villager and almost no roles or character names. I don't know how it has been lately, but the last few games I played here, everyone had a role or name. So I think LIS was confused as to where SOV got the information that most people were just plain villagers.

Obviously he can confirm or deny. But that is how I interpreted that statement when he first posted it.
 
DVMDream said:
Right, because lynching a villager helps out in what way exactly? Other than to get the wolves that much closer to a lead...
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Of course lynching a villager isn't any good, but you are a wolf then it is good. What would a wolf or a villager say? They would both claim to be a villager, so it's a bit useless to keep saying this over and over. It's not really meaningful.

And what adults?? You and LIS? Because you two are the only ones agreeing with each other...
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devyn, SOV, FFM and myself are in agreement of any number of things, so it's not just me an LIS who are in agreement

Seriously, just because you disagree with me does not make your ideas ANY better than mine...
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That isn't an argument I've made. It's also a non-sequitur so I'd never make an argument like that. I was pointing out that you always pull wild ****e out of your ass and is almost always WRONG. That is your track record. Ask how FFM did in my last game in the lounge. You're completely speculative and wrong and you get fixated on your own theories to the detriment of the village. It makes you a loose cannon.

You haven't had any ideas at all lately minus to lynch me... which won't get you a wolf...
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You're clearly not paying any attention if this is the only things you've seen. Another good reason to lynch you . . . regardless.

at least I am making an attempt at communicating and getting us to a wolf... you just keep coming up with random ****e.. such as the "seer" is bad and the person she investigated most recently and the person who investigated her... they are all bad... completely ignoring the fact that devyn was NOT the only person to investigate me...
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That's not "random". If a "seer" was bad, it would be a shrewd move. I don't know about anyone else who investigated you because that person is no longer around to vouch for this. It wouldn't have been that out of line, given the set up of this game and the objects floating around. SOV (if he was bad) would have just waited until he got the list and then "cleared" devyn and if devyn was bad all she would have to do was work together with SOV to fool me into thinking she was good. If you were working with them, then it would all be pretty straight forward. Not much to hide or cover-up. And a rather good move arguably - though if any of them get lynched you could be in trouble, but you can always claim "unseerability" in most of these games

You have to admit that LIS coming back as a "villager" via investigation but not even realizing that "villagers" exist in the game is really fecking odd...
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I don't know. LIS is suspicious just because I have suspicions about devyn.

It's all gotten a bit paranoid, but I'm throwing my lot in with devyn and SOV, because I'm not sure what to make of the investigation results given game dynamics, so if they be wolfs, then they got me good.

I'm not sure if you're a wolf or just off on another crazy scheme. Your fixation on me actually speaks away from you being a wolf. I'd think a wolf would have just let it go by now, but you continue to double down.

I think we should pay more attention to who hasn't been investigated rather than getting so attached to your own private schemes.
 
Packen said:
Actually, I think that quote (looked at all the one's you posted) is taken out of context. I think he was questioning what SOV said about basically everyone was a villager and almost no roles or character names. I don't know how it has been lately, but the last few games I played here, everyone had a role or name. So I think LIS was confused as to where SOV got the information that most people were just plain villagers.

Obviously he can confirm or deny. But that is how I interpreted that statement when he first posted it.
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I don't see SOV saying that basically everyone is a villager, just that there are a number of villager only roles... which SOV was correct... LIS questioning that still seems off to me, but I doubt he will deny that this is what he was meaning... he will agree with you and nobody will blink twice...
 
jdh71 said:
I think we should pay more attention to who hasn't been investigated rather than getting so attached to your own private schemes.
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I am pretty sure that everyone (allegedly) has been investigated except Nohika, whose role is known by death (and FFM who is "just visiting" and whose role is also known by death).

The cast:
LIS: by devyn night 4.
Foxhunter: Don't recall, but I remember she is investigated
DVMD: last night by devyn, and allegedly earlier by someone (zany?)
jdh: by devyn... night 2?
FFM: by death.
devyn: by sov 3 nights ago.
SOV: by devyn night 3?
nohika: by death
packen: by devyn 2 or 3 nights ago.


Sorry about the inexact dates. I am at work and don't have time to go through all my PMs.
 
jdh71 said:
Of course lynching a villager isn't any good, but you are a wolf then it is good. What would a wolf or a villager say? They would both claim to be a villager, so it's a bit useless to keep saying this over and over. It's not really meaningful.
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Agreed. I have already said that I agree with this... see my previous posts saying that us going around in circles isn't doing any good.



jdh71 said:
devyn, SOV, FFM and myself are in agreement of any number of things, so it's not just me an LIS who are in agreement
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Enlighten me.. because devyn and SOV sure don't seem to "agree" with you on the thread... actually devyn basically repeated what I said and you agreed with her... I haven't heard from FFM other than he was not the one to protect you.



jdh71 said:
That isn't an argument I've made. It's also a non-sequitur so I'd never make an argument like that. I was pointing out that you always pull wild ****e out of your ass and is almost always WRONG. That is your track record. Ask how FFM did in my last game in the lounge. You're completely speculative and wrong and you get fixated on your own theories to the detriment of the village. It makes you a loose cannon.
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Anyone that has a theory is going to be speculative.. whether they are wrong or right... it is a moot point to keep saying that. I already said earlier that as a villager I tend to be a bit crazy in the end, but at least I am thinking, the theories may be wild they may not be... last game I was in I was damn sure that Doc was a wolf, but he had me second guessing myself so many times I stopped listening to my gut when I should have just kept listening to it.



jdh71 said:
You're clearly not paying any attention if this is the only things you've seen. Another good reason to lynch you . . . regardless.
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Please, point to one recent theory you have come up with that does not involve me, devyn or SOV being corrupt. Go ahead... I would like to see it... because I can't find it.... Maybe I missed it... definitely a possibility.





jdh71 said:
I'm not sure if you're a wolf or just off on another crazy scheme. Your fixation on me actually speaks away from you being a wolf. I'd think a wolf would have just let it go by now, but you continue to double down.
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See my post about being screwed over about Doc... makes a bit more sense.. You modded that game and watched him screw over everyone... I am getting the same feeling now.. I agree with some of your points but at the same time you are all over the place... agreeing with LIS, then he is suspicious, then deyvn, SOV and I are suspicious.. but no devyn, SOV, you and FFM apparently all agree.. I am guessing in PMs?? The whole thing is a bit of a mess now.


jdh71 said:
I think we should pay more attention to who hasn't been investigated rather than getting so attached to your own private schemes.
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I agreed to this earlier.. apparently you did not see that.. I still agree.. only one problem... everyone has been investigated.... so where do you go from there? This is where I came in and mentioned that there is also the chance that the wolves are sitting back and laughing at us all going at each other... we need to evaluate all of the players.. not just you, me, LIS, SOV and devyn.
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13402942&postcount=911


Here is where I mentioned that zany investigated me... zany is not a noob player and would not just trust anyone... she told orca that she trusted me in a PM to orca... I had no idea about it, only that zany had investigated me... orca then asked if I trusted zany because zany had told orca that she trusted me... orca in this post above basically confirms all of this.. more or less... I had asked zany not to say anything because I did not want the wolves to get word that I had been cleared already and that early... I kind of wish I had not said that...
 
DVMDream said:
Enlighten me.. because devyn and SOV sure don't seem to "agree" with you on the thread... actually devyn basically repeated what I said and you agreed with her... I haven't heard from FFM other than he was not the one to protect you.
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Well, it seemed like we were in agreement about any number of things by PM, but I've got radio silence form my group now. I may be out of the circle of trust now.

Out of everyone who is left one of them is a wolf - easy deduction - so who then?

The common variable here is devyn. We lynch her and this will tell us any number of important information. As it appears that being cleared by investigation at this point means jack.
 
DVMDream said:
Interesting...

Combine that with LIS claiming to not know about there being "villagers" here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13361884&postcount=144
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Do you actually believe your own crap? SOV talked about their being a "number of villager-only roles," which is what I was responding to. My response was based on his choice of words; as in, I was asking when we had determined (per his comment) that there were more villagers and fewer roles, when in recent games it's TENDED toward more roles and fewer villager-only-no-role type of games.

DVMDream said:
And claiming to have no nighttime actions here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13378952&postcount=483
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My statement in that post is exactly true. I have no nighttime action. I have not HAD any nighttime action (except when I had a couple objects a few nights back).

DVMDream said:
And then saying something about "Rudolph" here to the person that "investigated him":

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13399552&postcount=836

And then jdh coming out with his story about the "red light" and LIS claiming that his story makes sense, but how would LIS know, remember he has no nighttime activities....
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Once again, you don't have all the data. You've fit this nice little story together, but here is the fact: You don't know what you don't know. Since your mind is made up and I'm not convincing you, lemme just leave you with this: When this game is over, look back and recall how certain you were that you knew everything, and realize that - once again, you're completely wrong. Everything that you quoted above I stand by as consistent and meaning precisely what I said.
 
DVMDream said:
I am going to take this as a yes... which means LIS' statement earlier in the game about "villagers" is really, really fishy... he would obviously know if there were "villagers" because he apparently is one himself... according to investigation...
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Once again, I never disputed that there were villagers or claimed to think that there were no villagers, or whatever fantasy you've created in your head. If you read SOV's comment, and then my response, and interpret them as they were intended (and, I think, as they clearly read), you'll realize I never said there were no villagers like you're trying to imply above.

Once again - your intentional distortion of my words is driving my suspicion of you. You know perfectly well what I meant, but you're doing your best to twist it. That's a wolf move, pure, plain, and simple.
 
I am interested to see what happens tonight. I think a lot of our questions will be answered based on who the wolves decide to kill.

What time is it there now? 6EST?

Also, will the lynch be tonight too, cause there is no way I can stay up for that. First day of a 4-day exam. Need sleep for my over-worked brain.
 
LetItSnow said:
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Once again - your intentional distortion of my words is driving my suspicion of you. You know perfectly well what I meant, but you're doing your best to twist it. That's a wolf move, pure, plain, and simple.
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I am not intentionally distorting anything. I am saying things as I see them/read them... maybe I misinterpreted the statement... that is why I quoted it... If I really wanted to play wolf... I would just say it and make people go look for it instead of doing the hard work myself...

Again you see wolf in me because you want to and feel like I am a wolf...

I see wolf in you because I feel the same about you....

We aren't getting anywhere by continuing this.
 
DVMDream said:
at least I am making an attempt at communicating and getting us to a wolf...
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Communicating? You call intentional distortion of my words communication?

Give me a break.

I know it's night, but Dyachei, can I just throw my contingent vote to lynch DVMD now? Either she's a wolf and needs to get caught, or she's stupid and needs to get removed from the game.
 
jdh71 said:
Well, it seemed like we were in agreement about any number of things by PM, but I've got radio silence form my group now. I may be out of the circle of trust now.

Out of everyone who is left one of them is a wolf - easy deduction - so who then?

The common variable here is devyn. We lynch her and this will tell us any number of important information. As it appears that being cleared by investigation at this point means jack.
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No there is no PMing happening right now....

I am trying to study while procrastinating - which is actually really bad - I need to study.... and I did not think the thread would be this crazy right now since we are not in a lynch cycle.... usually night cycles are quiet on thread....

I am not a huge PMer in a group anyhow - I tend to PM once or twice a day - sorry that is just how I roll.....

and lynching me will not get you a wolf, but if it makes you happy do it.... I have been trying my best this entire time to help the villager side and I am sorry if my investigations all of the sudden mean ****e to you... that is the best I have - if you would rather go without a seer than so be it..... means more time for me to study... but doesn't necessarily win it for the villager side.... the whole point of WW from a villager perspective is to lynch wolves and lynching me will not reach that goal.... lynching me will only tell you that the people I cleared are clear - which is the info you have right now - so if a wolf can avoid investigation, not sure how that helps clarify that....
 
LetItSnow said:
Once again, you don't have all the data. You've fit this nice little story together, but here is the fact: You don't know what you don't know. Since your mind is made up and I'm not convincing you, lemme just leave you with this: When this game is over, look back and recall how certain you were that you knew everything, and realize that - once again, you're completely wrong. Everything that you quoted above I stand by as consistent and meaning precisely what I said.
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I have put a theory together that makes sense in my own mind... you have extra info that debunks that theory... I don't know about this "information" hence, my theory will still make sense in my mind... I am not the only one to question this supposed "wolf" attack on jdh... Packen has questioned it as well.... So I am not the only one with this theory that something is fishy about it... I am the only one that gets yelled at for having this theory though...
 
LetItSnow said:
Once again - your intentional distortion of my words is driving my suspicion of you. You know perfectly well what I meant, but you're doing your best to twist it. That's a wolf move, pure, plain, and simple.
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Ok, to be fair, when I tried to pick apart some things you said earlier, you called me out on the same thing. It is not a wolf move to try and nit-pick what people say. It is how you catch people in lies and find the wolves.
 
Packen said:
Actually, I think that quote (looked at all the one's you posted) is taken out of context. I think he was questioning what SOV said about basically everyone was a villager and almost no roles or character names. I don't know how it has been lately, but the last few games I played here, everyone had a role or name. So I think LIS was confused as to where SOV got the information that most people were just plain villagers.

Obviously he can confirm or deny. But that is how I interpreted that statement when he first posted it.
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Absolutely correct.
 
LetItSnow said:
Here's a thought: Maybe since they're my words and not your words you should read them with an eye toward what I meant, instead of what you'd like to imagine.
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Yes, sir... I will be sure to put on my LIS thinking cap every time I read a post of yours....

Come on... people misread posts all the time... really... You have misread a crap ton of posts before...
 
DVMDream said:
I have put a theory together that makes sense in my own mind... you have extra info that debunks that theory... I don't know about this "information" hence, my theory will still make sense in my mind... I am not the only one to question this supposed "wolf" attack on jdh... Packen has questioned it as well.... So I am not the only one with this theory that something is fishy about it... I am the only one that gets yelled at for having this theory though...
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Live with it. You've played the "I know something and you don't" card so many times in previous games that maybe you just need to suck it up and take a dose of your own medicine.

DVMDream said:
I am not intentionally distorting anything.
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Yes, you are. Packen obviously understood what I meant. Why don't you?

DVMDream said:
Again you see wolf in me because you want to and feel like I am a wolf...
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No. I see a wolf in you because you're clearly intentionally twisting my words. It'd be one thing if I thought you just didn't get it. But I don't. I've explained, for instance, the early-game-veto thing. Clearly. But you brought that back. I've explained the "villager roles" thing. But you brought that back. You're doing whatever you can to twist things. Because you're probably a wolf.

So it's not just because we're arguing and you're being dumb. It's because of what you're trying to do.
 
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