Official Holiday WW Game Thread

[LetItSnow]

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Ok, to be fair, when I tried to pick apart some things you said earlier, you called me out on the same thing. It is not a wolf move to try and nit-pick what people say. It is how you catch people in lies and find the wolves.

Sure. But the problem is: When you nit-pick you tear apart the details. If you go back and tear apart the details of what I said, you'd understand exactly what I meant because that makes it more clear, not less. DVMD is doing the exact opposite: glossing over the details of what I said in an attempt to twist the meaning.

 

[LetItSnow]

Yes, sir... I will be sure to put on my LIS thinking cap every time I read a post of yours....

Well, isn't that how you communicate? I don't say "If I had written what DVMD wrote, this is what I would have meant" because it'd be nonsense every time. I try to say "When DVMD writes this way, this is what she usually means".

You're making no attempt to understand what I meant, because it serves your purposes to distort what I said.

 

[DVMDream]

Communicating? You call intentional distortion of my words communication?

Give me a break.

I know it's night, but Dyachei, can I just throw my contingent vote to lynch DVMD now? Either she's a wolf and needs to get caught, or she's stupid and needs to get removed from the game.

What intentional distortion? Again, I am being very open with where I am reading what I am reading... I am giving you ample opportunity to clarify anything... I am not that stupid of a wolf... I want a damn villager win for once over here... I am trying to get through all of this and figure out who is being the most suspicious... I have repeatedly said that I am willing to listen to what any one has to say and all ideas... I am open to hearing about if anyone else has thoughts on any of the other players since we are now beating a dead horse with how you and jdh feel about me, SOV and devyn and how I feel about you and jdh... let us all agree that we aren't the only players left and we need to discuss other players as well. Lynching a villager because you don't agree with their theories is NOT going to get the villagers any closer to a win... but have at it... I love telling you that I told you so...

 

[jdh71]

No there is no PMing happening right now....

I am trying to study while procrastinating - which is actually really bad - I need to study.... and I did not think the thread would be this crazy right now since we are not in a lynch cycle.... usually night cycles are quiet on thread....

I am not a huge PMer in a group anyhow - I tend to PM once or twice a day - sorry that is just how I roll.....

and lynching me will not get you a wolf, but if it makes you happy do it.... I have been trying my best this entire time to help the villager side and I am sorry if my investigations all of the sudden mean ****e to you... that is the best I have - if you would rather go without a seer than so be it..... means more time for me to study... but doesn't necessarily win it for the villager side.... the whole point of WW from a villager perspective is to lynch wolves and lynching me will not reach that goal.... lynching me will only tell you that the people I cleared are clear - which is the info you have right now - so if a wolf can avoid investigation, not sure how that helps clarify that....

methinks the lady doth protest too much . . .

 

[LetItSnow]

let us all agree that we aren't the only players left and we need to discuss other players as well. Lynching a villager because you don't agree with their theories is NOT going to get the villagers any closer to a win...

It'd be really convenient for us to lynch all the "other" players for you, wouldn't it?

 

[DVMDream]

It'd be really convenient for us to lynch all the "other" players for you, wouldn't it?

**** It...

Lynch DVMD

This is the one thing the wolves don't want... if I come back villager that validates both devyn and SOV... and since I don't have a damn role... lets keep our seer....

Please FFM, protect our seer tonight... you guys lynch me tomorrow and I can be done with this silly mess...

I am not being dumb, I am not intentionally twisting **** around because I feel like it... I am stating my honest opinion AND trying to get you guys to stop this damn ring around the rosies bit that is occurring and to pull your heads out of your asses and to PAY attention to the fact that there are other players in this game... I give up... we will lynch me... clear two others with one stone and hopefully the villagers can still pull a win.

 

[Packen]

To be honest, the more everyone keeps fighting, the more I feel like I am the only villager and you are all wolves. Except if that were true, the game would be over - right dyachei?? Is this a weird social experiment????

Everything everyone is saying seems suspect right now. Except for FH obviously, and in her case her silence is suspect.

 

[Packen]

**** It...

Lynch DVMD

This is the one thing the wolves don't want... if I come back villager that validates both devyn and SOV... and since I don't have a damn role... lets keep our seer....

Please FFM, protect our seer tonight... you guys lynch me tomorrow and I can be done with this silly mess...

I am not being dumb, I am not intentionally twisting **** around because I feel like it... I am stating my honest opinion AND trying to get you guys to stop this damn ring around the rosies bit that is occurring and to pull your heads out of your asses and to PAY attention to the fact that there are other players in this game... I give up... we will lynch me... clear two others with one stone and hopefully the villagers can still pull a win.

 

[LetItSnow]

I am stating my honest opinion AND trying to get you guys to stop this damn ring around the rosies bit that is occurring and to pull your heads out of your asses and to PAY attention to the fact that there are other players in this game... I give up... we will lynch me... clear two others with one stone and hopefully the villagers can still pull a win.

You have GOT to be kidding. You're trying to get us to look at the other players in the game by attacking me ad infinitum? That's a joke, right? If you're trying to get us to look at the other players in the game ... why not focus on that and say what you have to say about them, instead of continuing to call me into question for things that I said that clearly didn't mean what you're claiming?

You're not making sense, DVMD. If you're truly a villager, you're not acting like it.

 

[DVMDream]

I am serious... I am done.

I will gladly lynch myself tomorrow... it will benefit the villagers more than me continuing this mess. And I can make LIS all embarrassed that he is actually wrong (provided that he is really a villager, if he is a wolf he won't give two ****es).

 

[Packen]

Frankly I don't see how you being a villager would clear devyn and SOV. All is says is that they weren't lying. Obviously if you were a wolf, that would change things.

Are you a wolf DVMD, I don't think anyone has brought that up recently? 😛

 

[Packen]

Sorry I am getting stupid and not taking this "discussion" seriously anymore. I should get back to studying and will check back in later.

 

[jdh71]

Well, I think at this point the only way to get any information since investigations seem to be suspect is by lynching either DVMD, devyn, or myself.

Personally I think we get the most information from a devyn lynch. We lynch her and then we'll know if her investigations were true or not based on if she is a wolf or not.

I figure the only thing you really get form my lynch is that you get to find out if I was telling the truth about the night I was attacked. Personally, I think it would be kind of a wild tale to make up, especially when I didn't even need to say anything at all - wild stories when someone is corned make sense for a wolf, but not so much out of the blue.

The more DVMD goes on and on and on and on, I'm tending to favor her as not wolf.

 

[DVMDream]

Frankly I don't see how you being a villager would clear devyn and SOV. All is says is that they weren't lying. Obviously if you were a wolf, that would change things.

Are you a wolf DVMD, I don't think anyone has brought that up recently? 😛

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It will hopefully at least allow us to keep our seer.... I doubt devyn would be silly enough as a wolf to come onto the thread just to clear me when she could have easily let me be lynched.. wouldn't make sense. So hopefully if anything it will keep her around...

I just don't feel like continuing this... LIS is now doing to my posts as he claims I am doing to his and this will just continue into a big circular mess... I don't have the energy.

 

[LetItSnow]

I am serious... I am done.

I will gladly lynch myself tomorrow... it will benefit the villagers more than me continuing this mess. And I can make LIS all embarrassed that he is actually wrong (provided that he is really a villager, if he is a wolf he won't give two ****es).

Nah. You've managed to survive with your ego intact in spite of your amazing number of bad calls ... me getting a few wrong now and again wouldn't embarrass me. It's WW - you don't get them all right.

Still not changing my vote, though! Seems like the majority a player votes for herself she turns out to be a wolf.

Plus, it's illogical. If you DO turn out to be a villager, all it's going to do is cast doubt on me and get me lynched, after our lengthy back 'n forth. Since that won't help the villagers .....

So. If you're really a villager, voting for yourself doesn't make sense. If you're a wolf, it's one of those bluff moves that people fall for pretty regularly. *shrug*

 

[DVMDream]

Personally I think we get the most information from a devyn lynch. We lynch her and then we'll know if her investigations were true or not based on if she is a wolf or not.

I see where you are going with this, but the seer may still be able to find conversions.. just kill me instead.

 

[DVMDream]

So. If you're really a villager, voting for yourself doesn't make sense. If you're a wolf, it's one of those bluff moves that people fall for pretty regularly. *shrug*

I am not asking anyone to fall for it... I am out right asking people to lynch me...

 

[LetItSnow]

Personally I think we get the most information from a devyn lynch. We lynch her and then we'll know if her investigations were true or not based on if she is a wolf or not.

Hm. I'm tempted to get behind this.

I still don't really understand why the wolves have left Devyn around this long if she's a villager seer (since everyone seems to have known about it but me).

The downside if Devyn is a villager is we lose our seer. But at this point I don't know how big of a deal that would be versus the value of finding out whether Devyn is being truthful. My bigger concern is that if Devyn is a villager seer and being truthful, then it seems like we have to have at least one wolf who is capable of evading investigation.

 

[LetItSnow]

I am not asking anyone to fall for it... I am out right asking people to lynch me...

Yeah, I get that. But what I don't get is why it proves what you seem to think it will prove. It certainly doesn't prove Devyn is a villager; wolves clear villagers allllllll the time.

Admittedly, I had to really, really skim fast to catch up after being gone all weekend, so maybe I missed some things that make it more clear why it would clear Devyn, but on the face of it I don't understand.

 

[DVMDream]

Hm. I'm tempted to get behind this.

I still don't really understand why the wolves have left Devyn around this long if she's a villager seer (since everyone seems to have known about it but me).

The downside if Devyn is a villager is we lose our seer. But at this point I don't know how big of a deal that would be versus the value of finding out whether Devyn is being truthful. My bigger concern is that if Devyn is a villager seer and being truthful, then it seems like we have to have at least one wolf who is capable of evading investigation.

Seriously... this has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have seen... She of course was a seer to begin with... she brought us FTB at the beginning and has been following jdh's advice on investigations ever since...

For crying out loud, the only type of people that would want a seer gone would be a wolf... especially a person that said not too long ago to not re-investigate them because it would "be a waste"...

 

[tropictuco]

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I'm now really glad I'm not in the game anymore...this seems like very advanced WW. It's exhausting to follow...can't imagine being in it.

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[devyn]

Hm. I'm tempted to get behind this.

I still don't really understand why the wolves have left Devyn around this long if she's a villager seer (since everyone seems to have known about it but me).

The downside if Devyn is a villager is we lose our seer. But at this point I don't know how big of a deal that would be versus the value of finding out whether Devyn is being truthful. My bigger concern is that if Devyn is a villager seer and being truthful, then it seems like we have to have at least one wolf who is capable of evading investigation.

Pretty stupid move to lynch the seer....

and no one knew I was the seer until today when jdh outed me.... neither packen nor DVM had a fecking clue.... so it appears most people were unaware... which is why I am probably still alive... also I think perhaps someone in my group is a wolf keeping me alive to do whatever investigations they want..... hmmmmmm

and I was cleared 2 nights ago by Santa's List.... so yeah.... I am a villager

I have to study now.... I don't have time to argue like the rest of you.... finals....

 

[DVMDream]

Yeah, I get that. But what I don't get is why it proves what you seem to think it will prove. It certainly doesn't prove Devyn is a villager; wolves clear villagers allllllll the time.

Admittedly, I had to really, really skim fast to catch up after being gone all weekend, so maybe I missed some things that make it more clear why it would clear Devyn, but on the face of it I don't understand.

She made it a point to come in here and clear me when I was very close to being lynched... it was me or Philliab... I am definitely the more outspoken and coming up with ideas.. Philliab was around but not much and not really coming up with anything and yet she still cleared me... she could have easily said nothing, let me get lynched, and the said, "oops I was busy." No one would have thought twice about it....

 

[LetItSnow]

Seriously... this has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have seen... She of course was a seer to begin with... she brought us FTB at the beginning and has been following jdh's advice on investigations ever since...

For crying out loud, the only type of people that would want a seer gone would be a wolf... especially a person that said not too long ago to not re-investigate them because it would "be a waste"...

Sigh.

At what point did I suggest she wasn't a seer "to begin with"? Please. Tell me.

 

[DVMDream]

Sigh.

At what point did I suggest she wasn't a seer "to begin with"? Please. Tell me.

Hm. I'm tempted to get behind this.

I still don't really understand why the wolves have left Devyn around this long if she's a villager seer (since everyone seems to have known about it but me).

The downside if Devyn is a villager is we lose our seer. But at this point I don't know how big of a deal that would be versus the value of finding out whether Devyn is being truthful. My bigger concern is that if Devyn is a villager seer and being truthful, then it seems like we have to have at least one wolf who is capable of evading investigation.

Right there... sorry, should have used your phrase of "villager seer"...

You have even further proven that NOBODY knew devyn was a seer except jdh, devyn and SOV.... thank you.. you agree with me on something.

 

[dyachei]

ok, all PMs are in, mod got home early, results are pending.

 

[jdh71]

Seriously... this has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have seen... She of course was a seer to begin with... she brought us FTB at the beginning and has been following jdh's advice on investigations ever since...

For crying out loud, the only type of people that would want a seer gone would be a wolf... especially a person that said not too long ago to not re-investigate them because it would "be a waste"...

At this point the seer is not useful any longer, not really because it's clear that either one wolf is unseerable or someone who has been seered is converted, in which case there are not enough rounds left to figure it out.

What lynching devyn would tell us is if she was truthful. If she turns out to be a wolf, then we know that we can't trust any of her clearances.

It would have been a waste of an investigation to look into me when I said it, and it's still true now. Raise your hand if you believe investigations right now?

Everyone's been "cleared" at one point or another hun. Now what?

It is odd that since I've decided to not lynch you, now you want to be lynched. Which makes me now want to lynch devyn all the more.

I think it's the correct move.

 

[jdh71]

Right there... sorry, should have used your phrase of "villager seer"...

You have even further proven that NOBODY knew devyn was a seer except jdh, devyn and SOV.... thank you.. you agree with me on something.

I was honestly working off of the assumption that everyone knew.

 

[LetItSnow]

Right there... sorry, should have used your phrase of "villager seer"...

You have even further proven that NOBODY knew devyn was a seer except jdh, devyn and SOV.... thank you.. you agree with me on something.

Sigh.

I said, precisely, "if she's a villager seer." I apologize for the lack of clarity. I meant "if she is a villager seer" as opposed to "if she has been a villager seer" or "if she has always been a villager seer" or any other language that might have implied I had some reason to think she has never been a seer. In other words, I meant "if she is still a villager seer and not a converted wolf seer."

 

[DVMDream]

At this point the seer is not useful any longer, not really because it's clear that either one wolf is unseerable or someone who has been seered is converted, in which case there are not enough rounds left to figure it out.

Agreed... on the part of if a wolf is unseerable.

Disagree on the part about a converted wolf.... yes, there are not enough rounds left to investigate everyone, but you don't have to investigate everyone to find the conversion... not necessarily...

I still think it is a HUGE mistake for the villagers to lynch their only known seer. I would rather go... but not sure that anyone would then believe devyn anymore... other than she has been agreeing with what I have said and she could have just let me be lynched.

 

[wolfspeaker]

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[jdh71]

Agreed... on the part of if a wolf is unseerable.

Disagree on the part about a converted wolf.... yes, there are not enough rounds left to investigate everyone, but you don't have to investigate everyone to find the conversion... not necessarily...

I still think it is a HUGE mistake for the villagers to lynch their only known seer. I would rather go... but not sure that anyone would then believe devyn anymore... other than she has been agreeing with what I have said and she could have just let me be lynched.

the list should still be floating around

 

[shortnsweet]

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This is like watching a tennis match....

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[StartingoverVet]

Wow.... what are you are all smoking? This thread has gone crazy...

I have one piece of info that JDH can verify that I am not even sure helps or not..

I actually had to investigate Devyn 2 times.
The first time, the investigation was apparently blocked by FFM as part of his protection. The thing is, the description of what happened is similar but not exactly the same as JDH's description of the blocked attack.

It said "Devyn's investigation comes back unclear. Every time you find her name on the list, a bright red light stops you from reading the part where it says naughty or nice. "

I kind of assumed that the bright red light was Rudolph, but I actually don't know for sure.

The next night I investigated Devyn again, and that time it worked.

I never told Devyn about the 2 investigations in case there was something she was hiding (I have no idea what)...

I don't know if that makes JDH more or less likely to be a wolf, or Devyn more or less likely to be a wolf.

I just don't see any reason keeping the info to myself anymore in light of all the craziness going on.

 

[LetItSnow]

Point of order, please, because I can't find the post: Are we on Night 12? (As in, are we waiting for night 12 to end?)

 

[DVMDream]

Wow.... what are you are all smoking? This thread has gone crazy...

I have one piece of info that JDH can verify that I am not even sure helps or not..

I actually had to investigate Devyn 2 times.
The first time, the investigation was apparently blocked by FFM as part of his protection. The thing is, the description of what happened is similar but not exactly the same as JDH's description of the blocked attack.

It said "Devyn's investigation comes back unclear. Every time you find her name on the list, a bright red light stops you from reading the part where it says naughty or nice. "

I kind of assumed that the bright red light was Rudolph, but I actually don't know for sure.

The next night I investigated Devyn again, and that time it worked.

I never told Devyn about the 2 investigations in case there was something she was hiding (I have no idea what)...

I don't know if that makes JDH more or less likely to be a wolf, or Devyn more or less likely to be a wolf.

I just don't see any reason keeping the info to myself anymore in light of all the craziness going on.

I have no idea what to make of this... If FFM was protecting Devyn on the night you investigated her the first time, makes sense... But, FFM was not around when jdh was attacked, so the red light makes less sense... Honestly, I have no clue any more...

 

[LetItSnow]

I have no idea what to make of this... If FFM was protecting Devyn on the night you investigated her the first time, makes sense... But, FFM was not around when jdh was attacked, so the red light makes less sense... Honestly, I have no clue any more...

Alright, let's try a different approach. DVMD, just for the sake of argument, assume I'm telling you the truth that what JDH makes sense and that it's possible that Rudolph's role was in play that night JDH claims to have been attacked. I know you don't buy it - I get that - but just consider it and see if it leads anywhere.

 

[dyachei]

FTB comes back from the dead in her best magic trick yet!

FFM brings his rotting reindeer body back to his grave.

Packen's dead body is found clutching Santa's list - which then disappears. She has been strangled with a set of lights.

Packen, a villager is dead

Whoville:
1. lissarae -villager
2. swingnsave - oogie boogie
3. wldlfstdnt - villager
4. The LIS
5. Foxhunter

North Pole:
1. zany - villager
2. DVMD
3. orcagirl - ghost of Christmas Past
4.tropictuco - Ebenezer Scrooge
5. Krist - villager

Island of Misfit Toys:
1. kakuru - villager
2. wolfspeaker - villager
3. equineconstant - villager
4. T4C - villager
5. EngrSC - villager

Polar Express:
1. jdh
2. FFM - Rudolph
3. FTB - professor hinkle
4. devyn
5. SOV

London - Muppet Version:
1. Philliab - villager
2. nohika - Frosty
3. kaydubs - villager
4. SnS - villager
5.hedgie - The Grinch
6.Packen - villager


lynch deadline is 10 pm tonight. Lets get this done.

 

[DVMDream]

Alright, let's try a different approach. DVMD, just for the sake of argument, assume I'm telling you the truth that what JDH makes sense and that it's possible that Rudolph's role was in play that night JDH claims to have been attacked. I know you don't buy it - I get that - but just consider it and see if it leads anywhere.

Ok... I am considering it... but FFM did not agree with it, I would think he would know about it...

 

[swingnsave]

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[LetItSnow]

So. I presume that means a wolf had the hat last night and they brought back FTB hoping we'd lynch FTB?? I can't imagine a villager bringing back a wolf?

I'm thinking we don't bother, since FTB presumably will rot away tomorrow night? Or do we have to consider a possible role FTB might have had that the wolves wanted for a particular reason for one night?

What a flippin' twist.

 

[DVMDream]

lynch deadline is 10 pm tonight. Lets get this done.

Can the UKers please be considered here? That is 3AM for us and I know devyn is studying for her exam tomorrow.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Packen's dead body is found clutching Santa's list - which then disappears. .

WTF? Does that mean we have lost our investigatory item? Unbelievable.

 

[LetItSnow]

Ok... I am considering it... but FFM did not agree with it, I would think he would know about it...

I don't actually know one way or the other, but based on what I *do* know - I think he would not know.

Ok. Even I can admit that might be hard to parse. Take II:

I think it's likely FFM would not know about it, based on the info I have.

 

[jdh71]

haha

we needed that santa's list info didn't we??

ok

like I said the only way we some information, any information is a devyn lynch

lynch devyn

 

[StartingoverVet]

ftb comes back from the dead in her best magic trick yet!

wtf?

 

[DVMDream]

So. I presume that means a wolf had the hat last night and they brought back FTB hoping we'd lynch FTB?? I can't imagine a villager bringing back a wolf?

I'm thinking we don't bother, since FTB presumably will rot away tomorrow night? Or do we have to consider a possible role FTB might have had that the wolves wanted for a particular reason for one night?

What a flippin' twist.

Interesting... Not sure what to do with this... although since FTB's role uses the hat (in the movie) could she possibly stick around like nohika has?

 

[DVMDream]

haha

we needed that santa's list info didn't we??

ok

like I said the only way we some information, any information is a devyn lynch

lynch devyn

She is the ONLY thing we have left to do ANY investigations.. you are out of your damn mind.

 

[LetItSnow]

haha

we needed that santa's list info didn't we??

ok

like I said the only way we some information, any information is a devyn lynch

lynch devyn

Good grief. Can you at least hold off until Devyn announces her investigation results from last night? It's one more bit of info to consider if she does get lynched.... 😛

 

[StartingoverVet]

I don't actually know one way or the other, but based on what I *do* know - I think he would not know.

Ok. Even I can admit that might be hard to parse. Take II:

I think it's likely FFM would not know about it, based on the info I have.

Devyn, JDH and I have been in touch with FFM, and he was definitely protecting Devyn the night I investigated her, because I TOLD FFM to protect her. I didn't imagine that protecting someone would screw with the investigation.

FFM was not around when JDH was attacked, and he has confirmed that in PMs/on the thread.

Not sure where that leaves us.