Official Rank List Help Thread 2010-2011

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I agree with previous advise to "go with your gut"....BUT....I would examine your gut feeling long and hard before passing up on places like MGH and Columbia for a place like Tulane. As previously mentioned, Tulane is a fine program, but is not in the same stratosphere as some of these other places. I would agree that the Tulane program director is very gifted at giving inspiring speeches, but I would not suggest putting how well you like the program director in high priority on how you rank programs (program directors have less impact on your residency experience than you would think). Undoubtedly you should at least do a second look before drinking the kool-aid.

Would you be insane for basing a decision like this on a gut feeling? No. Does a decision like this have high potential for regret? Yes.

oh but the the kool-aid looks so tasty.....
ay dios mio, thanks for the advice guys.... making my rank list is not going to be easy... but anyway, good luck to you too kafkaontheshore, sounds you're in the same boat as i am.
 
hey all, would appreciate some input into the list. i'm interested in gi or heme/onc. socal vs norcal doesn't really matter to me.

Stanford
UW
(clearly on top, we'll leave this alone)

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Cedars
CPMC
Santa Clara Valley
USC
UCI
Harbor UCLA

i really liked everything except for harbor... still just unsure about strong community programs vs. ok university programs...?

thanks!!
 
hey all, would appreciate some input into the list. i'm interested in gi or heme/onc. socal vs norcal doesn't really matter to me.

Stanford
UW
(clearly on top, we'll leave this alone)

---------

Cedars
CPMC
Santa Clara Valley
USC
UCI
Harbor UCLA

i really liked everything except for harbor... still just unsure about strong community programs vs. ok university programs...?

thanks!!
USC
Cedars
UCI
CPMC
Harbor UCLA
Santa Clara Valley
 
hey all, would appreciate some input into the list. i'm interested in gi or heme/onc. socal vs norcal doesn't really matter to me.

Stanford
UW
(clearly on top, we'll leave this alone)

---------

Cedars
CPMC
Santa Clara Valley
USC
UCI
Harbor UCLA

i really liked everything except for harbor... still just unsure about strong community programs vs. ok university programs...?

thanks!!

USC
Cedars
UCI

The rest as you like them.

Why UCI so low? I did my internship with a guy who's now there doing something that regularly interacts with medicine, and he was an AWESOME intern, and I trust his judgement . . . so gossip time . . . he's not been impressed by their training. They do have a solid academic name as a UC.
 
Hello there,

How would you guys rank these programs for heme/onc. Thanks

Arizona
Dartmouth
Cincinnati
Cleveland Clinic
Maryland
Mass
Nebraska
Pitts
Vermont
St lukes-roosevelt NYC

Pitt
Maryland
Dartmouth = Vermont
Nebraska = Arizona
Cleveland = Mass = Cinci
St. Lukes
 
USC
Cedars
UCI

The rest as you like them.

Why UCI so low? I did my internship with a guy who's now there doing something that regularly interacts with medicine, and he was an AWESOME intern, and I trust his judgement . . . so gossip time . . . he's not been impressed by their training. They do have a solid academic name as a UC.


hmm wait didn't you just say that your friend's not impressed with their training?

from what i got a sense of the medicine training, cedars = usc > irvine? i mean i really liked all 3, what pushed cedars higher i think is location and i just liked the residents i met better? could be just me though.

where i'm more not sure where to put is cpmc and scvmc, i felt both were pretty strong programs. cpmc has a fantastic pd and got their own GI. scvmc seems to benefit a lot from their relationship with Stanford and supposedly matching like 40% of the people there... do you think these 2 are for sure worse than the socal ones?
 
Hey guys, first time poster on SDN but long time reader. I have no idea how to rank a lot of the places I interviewed at (with the exception of my top 2). I really really need some advice. thanks

SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Cleveland Clinic
Indiana University
USF
Medical College of Georgia
U Mass
GWU
UT San Antonio
St. Luke's-Roosevelt
Penn State
UMDNJ Newark
 
Hi,

Hope everyone is doing well, guess its getting around time to rank. Would really appreciate some help with ranking.

GWU
VCU
Drexel
Temple
Univ of Maryland
Georgetown Univ.
Loyola
Rush Univ.
UMDNJ
Emory
U Mass
Boston Univ.

Thanks in advance for the help...
 
I'm interested in cards and am currently contemplating a list that includes "top tier" and "next tier" programs. Can someone please comment on the difference it makes to you as a resident applying to cards from a top tier vs next tier program. Here's an example of some of my impressions, coming mostly from talking to residents on interview days.

JHU, BWH - you can go through residency without any worry for doing research or buffing up your CV and match at a great place.
MGH, UCSF, Penn, Columbia, Duke - same as above, maybe slightly less so
BIDMC, Cornell, Stanford, etc - you will work very hard throughout residency to do research and worry about LORs and buffing up your CV, but you will ultimately match somewhere, with some geographical restrictions based on where your program is.

I find it weird that there is such a difference between the top and bottom of that list, but this is definitely the impression I got from residents at these programs. Those at the bottom group seemed very stressed about research, LORs, etc whereas those from the top, specifically JHU and BWH, came out and said that they don't need to worry and will match great.

Any thoughts?
 
I'm interested in cards and am currently contemplating a list that includes "top tier" and "next tier" programs. Can someone please comment on the difference it makes to you as a resident applying to cards from a top tier vs next tier program. Here's an example of some of my impressions, coming mostly from talking to residents on interview days.

JHU, BWH - you can go through residency without any worry for doing research or buffing up your CV and match at a great place.
MGH, UCSF, Penn, Columbia, Duke - same as above, maybe slightly less so
BIDMC, Cornell, Stanford, etc - you will work very hard throughout residency to do research and worry about LORs and buffing up your CV, but you will ultimately match somewhere, with some geographical restrictions based on where your program is.

I find it weird that there is such a difference between the top and bottom of that list, but this is definitely the impression I got from residents at these programs. Those at the bottom group seemed very stressed about research, LORs, etc whereas those from the top, specifically JHU and BWH, came out and said that they don't need to worry and will match great.

Any thoughts?

The people you talked to at those low ranked trashy programs (you know...Cornell, Stanford, etc) are gunner d-bags.

SRSLY? Pretty much any decent resident with good scores and LORs from any of those programs will not have any significant difficulty matching in a good Cards program. If they only think that there are 3 good Cards programs out there (Duke and 2 others nobody wants to admit to having to settle for) then they are idiots and need to get their priorities straight.
 
Interested in Hem/Onc or Hospitalist

University of Arizona
Mayo Arizona
Mayo Rochester
Utah
Colorado
UCSD
Cal-Pacific
Scripps Green
UC-Irvine
UC-Davis
Cedars-Sinai
OHSU
Baylor
Duke
Harbor-UCLA
 
Hey guys,

Looking for possibly for a cards fellowship in the future but not positive. I'd like to be in a place that is young professional friendly where I'll have something to do with all the free time we get in residency. Last, less malignant the better. I've been to about half of these so far for interviews and I really liked Northwestern. Wanted to like U of C and loved the faculty interviews and PD but didn't get the best feeling talking with residents and have heard rumors of program instability. Any advice you could give would be awesome! Here's the list in no particular order.

Northwestern
Wash U
Brigham & Womens
University of Chicago
Wisconsin
Duke
Vanderbilt
Loyola
Mayo Clinic
Mount Sinai - NY
Michigan

Thanks!
 
oh but the the kool-aid looks so tasty.....
ay dios mio, thanks for the advice guys.... making my rank list is not going to be easy... but anyway, good luck to you too kafkaontheshore, sounds you're in the same boat as i am.

Haha, yes, thanks same to you. I don't have quite as high-powered places on my list as yours, but anyway. Don't believe I will rank Tulane at the tip top, and agree with KRichards that that might not be the best move, but will definitely try to put it higher than I would have pre-interview.
 
I agree with previous advise to "go with your gut"....BUT....I would examine your gut feeling long and hard before passing up on places like MGH and Columbia for a place like Tulane. As previously mentioned, Tulane is a fine program, but is not in the same stratosphere as some of these other places. I would agree that the Tulane program director is very gifted at giving inspiring speeches, but I would not suggest putting how well you like the program director in high priority on how you rank programs (program directors have less impact on your residency experience than you would think). Undoubtedly you should at least do a second look before drinking the kool-aid.

Would you be insane for basing a decision like this on a gut feeling? No. Does a decision like this have high potential for regret? Yes.

Apologize if this is thread-jacking, but would appreciate further clarification on the importance of PD quality to a program.

I was thinkin it would be pretty important, as he/she is the one who'd respond to resident complaints, put together your fellowship application packet, and hopefully eventually go to bat for you personally. So I'd been factoring it in sorta heavily into my calculation thus far.

What're your thoughts on this?
 
I would love some advice on ranking the following programs...looking to go into cards eventually. Thanks in advance!

Wash U
Vanderbilt
Mayo
Michigan
JH Bayview
Duke
OSU
Indiana
Wisconsin
Rush
Loyola
UIC
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinnati
 
I'm interested in cards and am currently contemplating a list that includes "top tier" and "next tier" programs. Can someone please comment on the difference it makes to you as a resident applying to cards from a top tier vs next tier program. Here's an example of some of my impressions, coming mostly from talking to residents on interview days.

JHU, BWH - you can go through residency without any worry for doing research or buffing up your CV and match at a great place.
MGH, UCSF, Penn, Columbia, Duke - same as above, maybe slightly less so
BIDMC, Cornell, Stanford, etc - you will work very hard throughout residency to do research and worry about LORs and buffing up your CV, but you will ultimately match somewhere, with some geographical restrictions based on where your program is.

I find it weird that there is such a difference between the top and bottom of that list, but this is definitely the impression I got from residents at these programs. Those at the bottom group seemed very stressed about research, LORs, etc whereas those from the top, specifically JHU and BWH, came out and said that they don't need to worry and will match great.

Any thoughts?

Drax4, congratulations on landing such a SOLID list 🙂.

JHH resident here so will try to give you my two cents. I interviewed at BWH, UCSF, Columbia, Duke, (the usual suspects above) as did almost everyone else in my program. I would say that especially if you are leaning towards cards, then either Osler or Brigham are great places for you. I will only speak on behalf of my program though, and you should speak to as many people as possible from other programs in order to make your most informed decision.

Our program here is very cards heavy, both in inpatient experience and in resident fellowship selection. Last year I think between 40-50% of the resident class went into cards but this obviously changes every year. As any program, there are pros and cons to training here. Pros are it is probably one of the best-suited programs in the country to land you a cards fellowship. Juniors typically go on a few interviews, (I haven't heard of anyone going on more than 6 last year, but don't quote me on that number) and everyone matches at their number one or two choice. If you are applying to less competitive fields like pulm/cc or heme-onc, then people interview at even less places (maybe around 3-4 for heme-onc). Everyone here applying to cards automatically has a fellowship interview at JHH, and typically half of the fellowship program comes from in-house. Almost everyone works with Dr Schulman (the fellowship director) in the CCU. He is world renowned, super fun, and will go to bat for you making phone calls to wherever you want to go. Others you will almost certainly work with include Dr Wittstein (guy who coined "Broken Heart Syndrome") among many others. So every year probably half of Osler residents stay for cards fellowship, a couple go to cleveland, and the rest go to Boston, SF, NYC, or Durham. No one in the program feels they necessarily need to do research or publish for the sake of "resume-boosting." In fact, almost no one at the Osler program does research in their first year anyways since it is a very clinically heavy intern year as is the Brigham if I recall. Most people start a project junior year prior to interviewing and that clearly seems to be good enough.

Downsides to this system exist as well. For one, I personally think research is good in order to continue developing your investigative and quantitative skills early on. I think having some early research time also allows you to further develop a niche or interest prior to interviewing (cardiomyopathy, interventional, EP, etc) as opposed to depending on your program's strong clinical reputation during application season. You will realize more and more how important this becomes when setting yourself up for academia down the line. Also, I think for people who are unsure about cardiology, there is little time in the Osler program to do electives in other fields and "rule them out" before you are ready to apply so that is another downside.

All in all, though, I would say that if you think you want to do cards, pulm/cc, GI, or heme-onc; then Hopkins is probably one of the best suited programs in terms of setting you up for fellowship. As with any program though, there are downsides and considerations as I mentioned above that do not make it the best for everyone. Im sure youre all noticing on your interview trails by now that no "one-size-fits-all" with residency.

Please let me know if you or anyone else has more questions about the program, and feel free to PM me. I might be late replying cuz they occasionally make us work up here in Baltimore. Good luck to you all and Happy New Year!!! 👍

Mentalgymnast
 
Pitt
Maryland
Dartmouth = Vermont
Nebraska = Arizona
Cleveland = Mass = Cinci
St. Lukes

Agree with jdh71.
For heme-onc I would say Pitt (great hospital) = Dartmouth (great Norris Cotton Cancer Center) = Maryland >>CC=Vermont>the rest
Never know where to rank cleveland clinic for residency :idea:
 
What, you do work amid perfecting that double windsor to show off your new Friday tie? 😉

Drax4, congratulations on landing such a SOLID list 🙂.

JHH resident here so will try to give you my two cents. I interviewed at BWH, UCSF, Columbia, Duke, (the usual suspects above) as did almost everyone else in my program. I would say that especially if you are leaning towards cards, then either Osler or Brigham are great places for you. I will only speak on behalf of my program though, and you should speak to as many people as possible from other programs in order to make your most informed decision.

Our program here is very cards heavy, both in inpatient experience and in resident fellowship selection. Last year I think between 40-50% of the resident class went into cards but this obviously changes every year. As any program, there are pros and cons to training here. Pros are it is probably one of the best-suited programs in the country to land you a cards fellowship. Juniors typically go on a few interviews, (I haven't heard of anyone going on more than 6 last year, but don't quote me on that number) and everyone matches at their number one or two choice. If you are applying to less competitive fields like pulm/cc or heme-onc, then people interview at even less places (maybe around 3-4 for heme-onc). Everyone here applying to cards automatically has a fellowship interview at JHH, and typically half of the fellowship program comes from in-house. Almost everyone works with Dr Schulman (the fellowship director) in the CCU. He is world renowned, super fun, and will go to bat for you making phone calls to wherever you want to go. Others you will almost certainly work with include Dr Wittstein (guy who coined "Broken Heart Syndrome") among many others. So every year probably half of Osler residents stay for cards fellowship, a couple go to cleveland, and the rest go to Boston, SF, NYC, or Durham. No one in the program feels they necessarily need to do research or publish for the sake of "resume-boosting." In fact, almost no one at the Osler program does research in their first year anyways since it is a very clinically heavy intern year as is the Brigham if I recall. Most people start a project junior year prior to interviewing and that clearly seems to be good enough.

Downsides to this system exist as well. For one, I personally think research is good in order to continue developing your investigative and quantitative skills early on. I think having some early research time also allows you to further develop a niche or interest prior to interviewing (cardiomyopathy, interventional, EP, etc) as opposed to depending on your program's strong clinical reputation during application season. You will realize more and more how important this becomes when setting yourself up for academia down the line. Also, I think for people who are unsure about cardiology, there is little time in the Osler program to do electives in other fields and "rule them out" before you are ready to apply so that is another downside.

All in all, though, I would say that if you think you want to do cards, pulm/cc, GI, or heme-onc; then Hopkins is probably one of the best suited programs in terms of setting you up for fellowship. As with any program though, there are downsides and considerations as I mentioned above that do not make it the best for everyone. Im sure youre all noticing on your interview trails by now that no "one-size-fits-all" with residency.

Please let me know if you or anyone else has more questions about the program, and feel free to PM me. I might be late replying cuz they occasionally make us work up here in Baltimore. Good luck to you all and Happy New Year!!! 👍

Mentalgymnast
 
I would love some advice on ranking the following programs...looking to go into cards eventually. Thanks in advance!

Wash U
Vanderbilt
Mayo
Michigan
JH Bayview
Duke
OSU
Indiana
Wisconsin
Rush
Loyola
UIC
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinnati

Strictly from the Cards perspective:

Wash U
Vanderbilt
Michigan
Duke
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Mayo
JH Bayview
Wisconsin
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OSU
Indiana
Cleveland Clinic
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Rush
Loyola
UIC
Cincinnati
 
I'm interested in Cards. I have my top choices pretty well solidified (Yale, Northwestern, Stanford). But with no guarantee that I'll get one of those, I'd love some help with ranking the others. I don't really have a preference with regard to location if I have a good shot at getting Cards:

Cedars-Sinai
Tufts
BU
Drexel
Jefferson
Brown
GW
NYU

Thanks!
 
hmm wait didn't you just say that your friend's not impressed with their training?

from what i got a sense of the medicine training, cedars = usc > irvine? i mean i really liked all 3, what pushed cedars higher i think is location and i just liked the residents i met better? could be just me though.

where i'm more not sure where to put is cpmc and scvmc, i felt both were pretty strong programs. cpmc has a fantastic pd and got their own GI. scvmc seems to benefit a lot from their relationship with Stanford and supposedly matching like 40% of the people there... do you think these 2 are for sure worse than the socal ones?

I would go with cpmc....stronger program, better training and fellowship placement. At scvmc you will be dealing with a lot more social issues and heavy work load in a county hospital. I wouldn't read too much into the stanford connection and 40% is probably inaccurate. They do not have any competitive fellowship placements from what I know. All programs will try to sell you something!
 
Hi, I'm an IMG and need help ranking these programs. I have a PhD and would be interested in doing a Cardiology fellowship afterwards. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

WUSTL
Vanderbilt
JHU Bayview
University of Washington
 
How would you rank these Midwestee programs? Thanks guys!

Loyola
SLU
MCW
UChicago-Northshore
 
Hi, I'm an IMG and need help ranking these programs. I have a PhD and would be interested in doing a Cardiology fellowship afterwards. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

WUSTL
Vanderbilt
JHU Bayview
University of Washington

All solid. I'd swap UW and Bayview from a programmatic standpoint (and put UW at the top from a geography standpoint) but you won't really go wrong any of these places.
 
Interested in hem/onc, GI or hospitalist

University of Arizona
Mayo Arizona
Mayo Rochester
Utah
Colorado
UCSD
Cal-Pacific
Scripps Green
UC-Irvine
UC-Davis
Cedars-Sinai
OHSU
Baylor
Duke
Harbor-UCLA
 
Hi,

Hope everyone is doing well, guess its getting around time to rank. Would really appreciate some help with ranking.

GWU
VCU
Drexel
Temple
Univ of Maryland
Georgetown Univ.
Loyola
Rush Univ.
UMDNJ
Emory
U Mass
Boston Univ.

Thanks in advance for the help...

Just kind of going from academic rep maybe something like this . . .

Emory
Maryland = VCU = Georgetown = BU
Loyola = Rush = UMass
Drexel = Temple = GWU
 
I find it weird that there is such a difference between the top and bottom of that list, but this is definitely the impression I got from residents at these programs. Those at the bottom group seemed very stressed about research, LORs, etc whereas those from the top, specifically JHU and BWH, came out and said that they don't need to worry and will match great.

Any thoughts?

lolstressballs

My guess is the bottom group were excellent applicants by basically all standards, just not pretty enough girls to get picked up by the elite programs, and have a complex about it.

Of course you can ride a Hopkins or UCSF coat tail very far in the application process - hate the game not the player - but I think generally if you are a solid resident, and you want fellowship, you most likely will be able to find it. Big names are big names mostly because of their research, especially the basic science, which is not to say they are any less good clinically. Like I've always said, chest pain r/o is the same at Hopkins as it is at no-name community program . . . so what's the real difference? Well, it's probably not the general IM curriculum in general.
 
Interested in Hem/Onc or Hospitalist

University of Arizona
Mayo Arizona
Mayo Rochester
Utah
Colorado
UCSD
Cal-Pacific
Scripps Green
UC-Irvine
UC-Davis
Cedars-Sinai
OHSU
Baylor
Duke
Harbor-UCLA

Really nice list. A little big - people really shouldn't go on this many interviews IMHO. Hmmm . . . maybe something like this . . .

Duke
Mayo = UCSD = OHSU
Baylor
Colorado
Utah
Irvine
Davis = Arizona
Cedars
Whatever
 
Hey guys,

Looking for possibly for a cards fellowship in the future but not positive. I'd like to be in a place that is young professional friendly where I'll have something to do with all the free time we get in residency. Last, less malignant the better. I've been to about half of these so far for interviews and I really liked Northwestern. Wanted to like U of C and loved the faculty interviews and PD but didn't get the best feeling talking with residents and have heard rumors of program instability. Any advice you could give would be awesome! Here's the list in no particular order.

Northwestern
Wash U
Brigham & Womens
University of Chicago
Wisconsin
Duke
Vanderbilt
Loyola
Mayo Clinic
Mount Sinai - NY
Michigan

Thanks!

:laugh: Seriously?

Just rank em the way you like em.
 
I would love some advice on ranking the following programs...looking to go into cards eventually. Thanks in advance!

Wash U
Vanderbilt
Mayo
Michigan
JH Bayview
Duke
OSU
Indiana
Wisconsin
Rush
Loyola
UIC
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinnati

I know this time of year can turn people into stressballs, but . . .

Put Duke, Vandy, WashU, Michigan, Mayo, Wisconsin at the top in the order you liked, the rest whatever.
 
Hey guys,

Looking for possibly for a cards fellowship in the future but not positive. I'd like to be in a place that is young professional friendly where I'll have something to do with all the free time we get in residency. Last, less malignant the better. I've been to about half of these so far for interviews and I really liked Northwestern. Wanted to like U of C and loved the faculty interviews and PD but didn't get the best feeling talking with residents and have heard rumors of program instability. Any advice you could give would be awesome! Here's the list in no particular order.

Northwestern
Wash U
Brigham & Womens
University of Chicago
Wisconsin
Duke
Vanderbilt
Loyola
Mayo Clinic
Mount Sinai - NY
Michigan

Thanks!

BWH
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Duke
WashU=Mich=Vandy=UChicago=NW (would rank based on feel)
Mt Sinai
Mayo, although the area is quite barren unless you want to drive >1hr
The rest
 
Really nice list. A little big - people really shouldn't go on this many interviews IMHO. Hmmm . . . maybe something like this . . .

Duke
Mayo = UCSD = OHSU
Baylor
Colorado
Utah
Irvine
Davis = Arizona
Cedars
Whatever

Essentially agree with this from a program rep and future planning standpoint although I would put Baylor lower than CU and Utah but that's personal preference.
 
Essentially agree with this from a program rep and future planning standpoint although I would put Baylor lower than CU and Utah but that's personal preference.

You and me have been on the SAME page about that **** hole known as Houston for years!

I know it sounds a lot like those ridiculous dilemma questions (ie. would you rather eat dog poo or drink cat urine, etc.) . . . would you rather live in Houston or Detroit? Ha!
 
I'm interested in Cards. I have my top choices pretty well solidified (Yale, Northwestern, Stanford). But with no guarantee that I'll get one of those, I'd love some help with ranking the others. I don't really have a preference with regard to location if I have a good shot at getting Cards:

Cedars-Sinai
Tufts
BU
Drexel
Jefferson
Brown
GW
NYU

Thanks!

Odds are overwhelming that you will get either Yale, Stanford or NW. I think NYU should be number 4 though.
 
A lot of these places are similar tier...not sure where to rank what.
assuming Cardiology fellowship interest (dont factor location)
...curious what the knowledgeable masses think

montefiore
vcu
maryland
brown
temple
jefferson
boston univ.
rush
loyola
george washington
umdnj-camden
beth israel nyc
umdnj-rwjms (heard it was malignant?)
umdnj-njms
 
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A lot of these places are similar tier...not sure where to rank what.
assuming Cardiology fellowship interest (dont factor location)
...curious what the knowledgeable masses think

montefiore
vcu
maryland
brown
temple
jefferson
boston univ.
rush
loyola
george washington
umdnj-camden
beth israel nyc
umdnj-rwjms (heard it was malignant?)
umdnj-njms

Uhhh . . . maybe something like this . . .

Maryland
VCU
BU
Loyola = Rush = Temple = Brown = Jefferson = Monte
anything in NJ (ugh)

Honestly don't know a lot about GW or beth israel-nyc

On the equals, equal, equals line, I would probably put Loyola first, but then I like them - I like the residents, fellows, hospital, location - could have seen myself there . . . but that's me.
 
Hey everyone,

Long time reader, but first time posting. I would appreciate any help you can provide with my rank list. Interested in Cardiology for fellowship. Thanks in advance!

Albert Einstein (Philly)
Brown
Cedars Sinai
Jefferson
Maryland
Rush
Temple
U of Illinois
UPMC
UVA
VCU
Wake Forest

Thanks again!
 
Hey everyone,

Long time reader, but first time posting. I would appreciate any help you can provide with my rank list. Interested in Cardiology for fellowship. Thanks in advance!

Albert Einstein (Philly)
Brown
Cedars Sinai
Jefferson
Maryland
Rush
Temple
U of Illinois
UPMC
UVA
VCU
Wake Forest

Thanks again!

Solid list, really. Maybe something like this . . .

Pitt
UVA = Maryland
VCU = Wake
Cedars
Rush = Temple = U of Illinois = Jefferson = Brown

I like Cedars where it is for all of those in-house cards spots
 
I'm trying hard to figure out my number 2 and 3, and right now my debate is between OHSU and Wisconsin. I'm sort of at a loss. I'm interested in heme/onc vs. general at this time.

Both Madison and Portland are hip, young cities that seem to be perfect for a yuppie liberal pseudo-hipster like myself, though any insight into one city vs. the other would be welcome. The residents seemed happy at each. PDs at each were great, though Wisconsin's has been on the job forever, and obviously has a great, established track record. Wisconsin's match list seems better, especially in heme/onc, where it borders on stellar (OHSU seems to have only matched at the home institution for the past 4-5 years. gutonc, any thoughts on this?) As far as clinical training, coming from a large urban setting, I'm a little worried about socioeconomic diversity of the patient population at these places, thoughts here one way or another?

I don't know, I just can't decide. I know both programs are "equal" on the prestige ladder, so specific personal opinions and reasoning are what would be helpful for me right now. Thanks for your help.
 
I'm trying hard to figure out my number 2 and 3, and right now my debate is between OHSU and Wisconsin. I'm sort of at a loss. I'm interested in heme/onc vs. general at this time.

Both Madison and Portland are hip, young cities that seem to be perfect for a yuppie liberal pseudo-hipster like myself, though any insight into one city vs. the other would be welcome. The residents seemed happy at each. PDs at each were great, though Wisconsin's has been on the job forever, and obviously has a great, established track record. Wisconsin's match list seems better, especially in heme/onc, where it borders on stellar (OHSU seems to have only matched at the home institution for the past 4-5 years. gutonc, any thoughts on this?) As far as clinical training, coming from a large urban setting, I'm a little worried about socioeconomic diversity of the patient population at these places, thoughts here one way or another?

I don't know, I just can't decide. I know both programs are "equal" on the prestige ladder, so specific personal opinions and reasoning are what would be helpful for me right now. Thanks for your help.

I liked both programs equally well (loved actually). My wife however had no interest in living either in a college town or in the Upper Midwest. We were moving from NYC so Portland, while much smaller, was less of a shock culturally (although yes...it's pretty damn white out here).

As to the H/O match list, my personal thought is that nobody wants to leave Portland...so your options are pretty limited for fellowship match. I personally interviewed all over the country at some solid programs (UCSF, MSKCC, Hutch, etc) and chose to stay here for a variety of reasons (including not wanting to leave Portland).

As to the diversity of training issue, don't worry about it at either place. Madison is pretty much the only game in town (or for a bit of a drive) so they get plenty of diversity. OHSU is the de facto county hospital in Portland (and the only tertiary referral center for 150 miles to the North, 650 miles to the South and 750 miles to the West) so it's not an issue here either. Also...people get sick, no matter how much money they have or what color they are...you'll see enough of them.

Honestly, if it had not been for my wife not wanting to be in Madison, I would have had the same problem deciding between the 2 programs that you are. Choose based on geography or flip a coin...you'll be fine either way.
 
Somewhat random list due to couples match. No real preference on geography... want to do Heme/Onc.

Thanks in advance. Happy New Year everyone!


Mayo Clinic - Arizona
Univ. of New Mexico
Cedars-Sinai
UC Davis
UC Irvine
Univ. of Miami-Jackson Memorial
Univ. of Arizona
Olive View - UCLA
USC
Harbor - UCLA
Rush
 
hey all,

happy 2011! i'm a first time poster and like everyone else, i would love to hear your thoughts on the programs that i am considering. i have spent the last several years in NYC and am considering leaving to see the rest of the country, however i am also open to staying put in NYC. my future goals are to pursue a fellowship in cardiology.

NYU
Cornell
UTSW
Wash U
UW
UPitt
Vanderbilt
Univ. of Chicago
 
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