Like at MSSM, I thought GI was Chicago's strongest card.
In this case, if the poster is interested in GI, wouldn't it be prudent to rank Chicago higher?
Official Rank List Help Thread 2010-2011
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Like at MSSM, I thought GI was Chicago's strongest card.
In this case, if the poster is interested in GI, wouldn't it be prudent to rank Chicago higher?
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UVA= Bayview (depend on where you want to live. Bayview is really great for primary care and strong match for Card as well)
Maryland
Georgetown=Harbor-UCLA
MUSC
UC Irvine
Cedar-Sinai
Mayo-Jacksonville
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By tiers in descending order...
Michigan
UTSW
UAB
Pitt
UNC
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Wisconsin
OHSU
Colorado
MUSC (good in house GI fellowship)
Cleveland Clinic
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the rest
Hi Everyone, I'm interested in pursuing a fellowship (not sure what yet) and have no preferences geographically for residency training. However I would like to end up along the coasts for eventual fellowship/job. How would you guys rank the below programs for competitive fellowship placement in the East or West Coast?
Thanks so much for your help!
Michigan
BU
Tufts
Brown
Dartmouth
UVa
Pitt
Wisconsin
Case Western
UC Davis
Georgetown
UMass
Thanks so much for your help!
Michigan
BU
Tufts
Brown
Dartmouth
UVa
Pitt
Wisconsin
Case Western
UC Davis
Georgetown
UMass
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Michigan
UVA
Pitt = BU (pitt is stronger but tends to match in-house, while BU's a weaker program but has good bicoastal placement)
Wisconsin (great program but mainly midwest match)
Case Western
UCD
the rest
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I know some of you have already helped me with aspects of this list, but I just wanted to hear some more opinions from anyone else that might care to chime in. Interested in hem/onc vs. general.
UIC
UTSA
Wisconsin
WashU
UTSW
Emory
Baylor-Houston
Tulane
UNC
UAB
Case Western
OHSU
UIC
UTSA
Wisconsin
WashU
UTSW
Emory
Baylor-Houston
Tulane
UNC
UAB
Case Western
OHSU
I need help to order my ranking list please. I am looking for a place with fellowship opportunities in GI, Pulm CC and ID.
UAB
UTSW
Pitts
Univ of Louisville
VCU
UT Houston
Univ of Minnesota
Iowa Univ
Thomas Jefferson
SLU
Univ of Miami
Henry Ford
Washington medical center
UAB
UTSW
Pitts
Univ of Louisville
VCU
UT Houston
Univ of Minnesota
Iowa Univ
Thomas Jefferson
SLU
Univ of Miami
Henry Ford
Washington medical center
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If you were to swap Louisville and Iowa on your list as it appears above (and maybe drop UAB down a slot or two depending on how you liked it there) it would be a pretty solid way to go.
As an avowed anti-Texan, UTSW and UTH would go further to the bottom of my own personal list, but you can't argue with the training and fellowship opportunities coming out of UTSW.
here is my list in no particular order. let me know what you guys think...
U of chicago (northshore)
U of illinois at chicago
rush
cook county
chicago medical school
allegheny general - pittsburgh
temple
thomas jefferson
boston U
virginia commonwealth
carolinas medical center - charlotte, nc
U of chicago (northshore)
U of illinois at chicago
rush
cook county
chicago medical school
allegheny general - pittsburgh
temple
thomas jefferson
boston U
virginia commonwealth
carolinas medical center - charlotte, nc
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WashU
UTSW
Emory = UNC = UAB = OHSU = Wisconsin (Wisconsin particularly strong heme/onc)
Case Western = Tulane = Baylor
UIC
UTSA
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UTSW
Pittsburgh (given how strong its Pulm/CC is...otherwise would place it at UAB's level)
UAB
VCU = Minnesota = Iowa
the rest
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BU > VCU > UIC = Jeff = Temple > Rush > the rest
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I'm trying to sort out my list and was hoping for some advice. I liked all these programs and would be happy at any of them, so factors such as location and cost of living are pretty important. The one caveat is if there are significantly greater academic opportunities that will come from the tippity-top, then I would brave the cold or be poor for a few years. I don't know what I want to subspecialize in yet but I'm not too worried about fellowship placement, more so thinking broadly about a future career in academia. So my question is - how big are the differences between these programs from a future opportunities/reputation perspective? Thanks in advance.
Today's version of the ROL:
Brigham
Duke
Vanderbilt
Hopkins
Wash U
Mayo
UCSF
Today's version of the ROL:
Brigham
Duke
Vanderbilt
Hopkins
Wash U
Mayo
UCSF
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I interviewed at all of those programs and if I had to separate into tiers
1) BWH, Hopkins, UCSF
2) Duke, Mayo
3) Vandy, Wash U
Cost of living: I think Durham, Rochester, Nashville, St louis are the most affordable.
Match list: Again, BWH, Hopkins, UCSF are a cut above the rest.
Academic Opps: Depends what you're talking about? Basic science research, clinical research, global health stuff?? I'll just list out which programs (by my impression) were good at this in no particular order.
- Basic Science: Hopkins, UCSF, Wash U
- Clinical: BWH, Mayo, Hopkins, UCSF, Duke
- Global health: BWH, Hopkins, Duke
Honestly, I think you'll do very well in academia at any of these places. All are fantastic. I do think BWH, Hopkins and UCSF incite a little more "wow" factor if that's important to you... considering they probably are the hardest places to land an interview/match for residency
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I can't really argue with this order of things from a program strength/rep standpoint.
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This. You're a kid in a candy store here. You more or less cannot go wrong from an academic/opportunity standpoint with any of these programs.
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I am a DO student who is interested in heme/onc have somewhat of a Chicago bias. No particular order.
1.University of Minnesota
2.University of Nebraska
3.University of Iowa
4.Indiana University
5.Medical College of Wisconsin
6.University of Florida Gainesville
7.Rush
8.Loyola
9.UIC
10.Northshore Evanston
11.Advocate Lutheran
12.Banner Good Sam.
1.University of Minnesota
2.University of Nebraska
3.University of Iowa
4.Indiana University
5.Medical College of Wisconsin
6.University of Florida Gainesville
7.Rush
8.Loyola
9.UIC
10.Northshore Evanston
11.Advocate Lutheran
12.Banner Good Sam.
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By Tiers:
3.University of Iowa
4.Indiana University
1.University of Minnesota
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5.Medical College of Wisconsin
6.University of Florida Gainesville
7.Rush
9.UIC
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2.University of Nebraska
8.Loyola
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10.Northshore Evanston
11.Advocate Lutheran
12.Banner Good Sam.
I would agree. GI at Chicago is outstanding.
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Minn = Iowa
Indiana = UF Gaines
Nebraska = UIC
Rush = Loyola
MCOW
Whatever
EDIT: I'd go Minn over Iowa for reasons other than academic though
I agree. UMinnesota and UIowa are your two best programs. I think both are fantastic, I would give the edge to UIowa. Both would train you well for heme/onc, Iowa again probably just a little bit better, just my opinion.
Good luck!!
Good luck!!
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During interviews, all programs put up this great front and the truth isn't always shared. Trust me, NO ONE is "gunning" for MetroHealth. The hospital has plenty of cockroaches found around. My input is a consensus of many residents. From many residents not matching into fellowships, ITE scores in the crapper due to lack of teaching, too much reliance on residents for service. See my post in another thread for more detail.
You're welcome to come to Metro, just don't say I didn't warn you. As for me being "rubbed the wrong way"... just sharing the facts. You listen to them or ignore them... it's up to you.
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I am not at UH, but did interview there. If I recall correctly, a few years ago they brought over a lot of new faculty from Boston in the cards department along with a lot of research. My friend who is there shared that they are expanding the spots available, but I would suggest looking into it. We've sent patients over to UH for high risk interventional procedures as they don't seem to be done at Metro. Metro did just hire a new interventionalist so maybe as he becomes seasoned things might change.
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Except for BMT (pioneered @ UMinn), Indiana is far and away the best program for Hem/Onc on that list.
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Yeah, but for residency I like my list better
just wondering about penn state vs. drexel for IM training, location and cards matching it seems like drexel has the advantage with a much better location, and stronger cards match. not sure about overall reputation though. would appreciate some insight on this. thanks!
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True. I fell into the same trap that's been bugging me recently, taking fellowship too much into account when thinking about residency. But I submit that IU and Minn are pretty much in a dead heat residency-wise.
That said, I'd much rather live in the Twin Cities than Indiancrapolis so I feel you on that one.
Appreciate any thoughts/advice on ranking the following programs. I don't really have a geographic preference but am pretty set on pursuing GI. I feel very fortunate to have really great programs to choose from...just having a tough time putting them in some sort of order! Here they are:
BWH
UCSF
Wash U
Stanford
UCLA
U Penn
U of Washington
Columbia
BID
Cornell
UCSD
BWH
UCSF
Wash U
Stanford
UCLA
U Penn
U of Washington
Columbia
BID
Cornell
UCSD
You hate Texas and Indianapolis as much as I do. If I didn't already have a long-term boyfriend, I'd think you were my soulmate
Hi gutonc,
i have read many of your postings during my interview season and have learned a lot from them. thanks for all of your help! i was wondering if you can comment on ohsu's IM program (i think i read form your profile that you went there)? I did an away month there and really liked it (great residents and attendings) but didn't ask many questions regarding the program during my interview since it was right after my rotation and also it was my first (not experienced). I wanted to know about things like elective time during first year, educational stipend, parking, resident autonomy, resident procedure opportunities, etc. I know this sounds like a lot but i am considering ranking this program very highly (potentially #1). Thanks!
i have read many of your postings during my interview season and have learned a lot from them. thanks for all of your help! i was wondering if you can comment on ohsu's IM program (i think i read form your profile that you went there)? I did an away month there and really liked it (great residents and attendings) but didn't ask many questions regarding the program during my interview since it was right after my rotation and also it was my first (not experienced). I wanted to know about things like elective time during first year, educational stipend, parking, resident autonomy, resident procedure opportunities, etc. I know this sounds like a lot but i am considering ranking this program very highly (potentially #1). Thanks!
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Could anyone plz help me with my list.......Thank you very much
I'm interested in cards or pulm/cc, I have no geographic preference at all.
TUFTS
UMass
UConn
SUNYdownstate
UMDNJ-RWJ
UMDNJ-NJMS
Temple
Arizona
N Mexico
Arkansas
UTHouston
USC
UF-Gains ville
UF-Jacksonville
Wayne State
William Beaumont
Thanks
I'm interested in cards or pulm/cc, I have no geographic preference at all.
TUFTS
UMass
UConn
SUNYdownstate
UMDNJ-RWJ
UMDNJ-NJMS
Temple
Arizona
N Mexico
Arkansas
UTHouston
USC
UF-Gains ville
UF-Jacksonville
Wayne State
William Beaumont
Thanks
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Seriously? You pay for a parking spot, you get a parking spot. I don't, so I don't. I bike...have every day for the past 5 years. Even rainy, crappy 6am MICU days. I couldn't even tell you what it costs for a permit. There is a 3+ year waiting list for parking permits for non-physicians though so at least you get one if you want it.
With the exception of CCU/Cards (where you're basically just a note/order monkey and which interns don't do), tons. Maybe more than you want sometimes. I can count on one finger the number of times I paged an attending after 5pm.
If you want 'em, you can have 'em. I've tapped more bellies, lungs and spines than I care to think about. Put in plenty of lines. Dropped a few tubes, etc. Once you actually do them, they're not as cool as they seem as a med student, but if that's what gets you off, you'll have more than enough opportunities.
If you could be more vague here it would make answering the question easier.
i went on way too many interviews but I am interested in Cards and need help with rank list.
in no particular order
1. duke
2. ucla
3. umich
4. cornell
5. cedar sinai
6. yale
7. ucsd
8. wash u
9. mount sinai
10. upmc
11. emory
12. mayo
13. BU
14. uchicago
15. northwestern
16. vanderbilt
in no particular order
1. duke
2. ucla
3. umich
4. cornell
5. cedar sinai
6. yale
7. ucsd
8. wash u
9. mount sinai
10. upmc
11. emory
12. mayo
13. BU
14. uchicago
15. northwestern
16. vanderbilt
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Taking cards into account:
Duke
UMich
WashU = Yale = Chicago = Cornell = Mayo
MSSM = NW = UCLA = Vandy
Emory
UPitt
UCSD
Cedars-Sinai = BU
Within tiers, rank on location/gut instinct.
Admittedly, Mayo is always hard to place. I could make an argument for putting it with Michigan or below Northwestern, depending on how much I'd let its location impact my decision-making. Great program though.
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OSU = UIC > Cincy > the rest
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Considering BWH does not have a liver transplant unit and sees very few liver pts, this may affect how you rank it if you want to go into GI. Just a thought - there are countless other reasons to choose the program despite that.
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Hi gutonc,
i have read many of your postings during my interview season and have learned a lot from them. thanks for all of your help! i was wondering if you can comment on ohsu's IM program (i think i read form your profile that you went there)? I did an away month there and really liked it (great residents and attendings) but didn't ask many questions regarding the program during my interview since it was right after my rotation and also it was my first (not experienced).
I wanted to know about things like elective time during first year,
None...next question
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educational stipend,
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parking
Seriously? You pay for a parking spot, you get a parking spot. I don't, so I don't. I bike...have every day for the past 5 years. Even rainy, crappy 6am MICU days. I couldn't even tell you what it costs for a permit. There is a 3+ year waiting list for parking permits for non-physicians though so at least you get one if you want it.
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resident autonomy
With the exception of CCU/Cards (where you're basically just a note/order monkey and which interns don't do), tons. Maybe more than you want sometimes. I can count on one finger the number of times I paged an attending after 5pm.
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resident procedure opportunities
If you want 'em, you can have 'em. I've tapped more bellies, lungs and spines than I care to think about. Put in plenty of lines. Dropped a few tubes, etc. Once you actually do them, they're not as cool as they seem as a med student, but if that's what gets you off, you'll have more than enough opportunities.
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etc.
If you could be more vague here it would make answering the question easier.[/I][/I]
Thanks for answering the questions. I know a bunch of these question are probably annoying but your answers were a big help! For the parking I meant to ask if it was free. I lived close to the hospital during my month there and was able to take utilize public transportation. The etc part was just added to see if you had other comments about the program (overall opinion).
Originally Posted by pkboy
Hi gutonc,
i have read many of your postings during my interview season and have learned a lot from them. thanks for all of your help! i was wondering if you can comment on ohsu's IM program (i think i read form your profile that you went there)? I did an away month there and really liked it (great residents and attendings) but didn't ask many questions regarding the program during my interview since it was right after my rotation and also it was my first (not experienced).
I wanted to know about things like elective time during first year,
None...next question
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educational stipend,
None...next question
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parking
Seriously? You pay for a parking spot, you get a parking spot. I don't, so I don't. I bike...have every day for the past 5 years. Even rainy, crappy 6am MICU days. I couldn't even tell you what it costs for a permit. There is a 3+ year waiting list for parking permits for non-physicians though so at least you get one if you want it.
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resident autonomy
With the exception of CCU/Cards (where you're basically just a note/order monkey and which interns don't do), tons. Maybe more than you want sometimes. I can count on one finger the number of times I paged an attending after 5pm.
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resident procedure opportunities
If you want 'em, you can have 'em. I've tapped more bellies, lungs and spines than I care to think about. Put in plenty of lines. Dropped a few tubes, etc. Once you actually do them, they're not as cool as they seem as a med student, but if that's what gets you off, you'll have more than enough opportunities.
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etc.
If you could be more vague here it would make answering the question easier.[/I][/I]
Thanks for answering the questions. I know a bunch of these question are probably annoying but your answers were a big help! For the parking I meant to ask if it was free. I lived close to the hospital during my month there and was able to take utilize public transportation. The etc part was just added to see if you had other comments about the program (overall opinion).
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awesome list, you'll obviously get great training and have no problem getting a gi fellowship from any of these places. i'm sure you already know this, but just something to think about: the brigham doesn't do liver transplants, so if your interest in gi is more liver than gut you might consider putting ucsf or penn first. not that you would have any trouble getting the fellowship of your choice from the brigham, but if you really like to see end stage liver patients you would be missing some of that during residency there.
ETA: oops didn't see zippership beat me to it. great minds and all.
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thank you so much for your response. Out of curiosity how did u come up with your list? and also not taking cards into account but in terms of strength of medicine program then how would you make your list?
I really liked being on the west coast but I am from the midwest and dont think its worth moving to the west coast for programs like cedars and ucsd but ucla i feel is worth it...
I really liked being on the west coast but I am from the midwest and dont think its worth moving to the west coast for programs like cedars and ucsd but ucla i feel is worth it...
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I factored both strength of program and cards opps in making that ramking, so I'd leave it pretty much as is. Any of the programs in the first four rows will offer you stellar medicine training and all have strong national reputations, albeit with minor variation by regional biases.
What I didn't do is consider location. As an example, chicago and cornell are tougher places to match than michigan/yale/washu because of the former's awesome locations, respectively. if location matters, then your rank list will look different.
Interested in Pulm/CC, would appreciate opinions, thanks. Liked USC a lot but preferring Reno for family reasons. Reno has great Pulm/CC match success too.
UNV Reno
USC
St Mary Long Beach
UCLA - Olive View
Newark Beth Israel
Cooper University/UMDNJ Camden
St. Joes, Michigan
University of Oklahoma
Orlando Regional
Maricopa
and few Other community programs in east coast that I am not ranking.
UNV Reno
USC
St Mary Long Beach
UCLA - Olive View
Newark Beth Israel
Cooper University/UMDNJ Camden
St. Joes, Michigan
University of Oklahoma
Orlando Regional
Maricopa
and few Other community programs in east coast that I am not ranking.
Hi, Please help me! I'm interested in heme/onc, but more importantly, I want to go somewhere with great teaching, resident autonomy, and good resident camaraderie/happiness. In random order:
Temple
Boston University
Brown University
Maryland
Montefiore
Thomas Jefferson
Tufts
Thanks for the help!!
Temple
Boston University
Brown University
Maryland
Montefiore
Thomas Jefferson
Tufts
Thanks for the help!!
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If anyone who's a resident or med student at these places, or has interviewed at both, I'd really like your help with this question. Especially, goldblack2005, jdh71, gutonc - I'd really appreciate your guys help and thanks in advance.
I'm interested in cards, and like Manhattan as a city over Durham and truthfully the Columbia name a little better, but I feel like Duke's program is more comfortable and has better hospital environment and funding.
I'm really like both though, but if you guys can give any advice, I'd appreciate your help.
I'm interested in cards, and like Manhattan as a city over Durham and truthfully the Columbia name a little better, but I feel like Duke's program is more comfortable and has better hospital environment and funding.
I'm really like both though, but if you guys can give any advice, I'd appreciate your help.
I went to a lot of the programs to interview and this is my impression based on residency while keeping cards in mind:
Duke=Mich
Chicago=WashU
Cornell=UCLA=Northwestern=Mayo
Yale=UCSD=MSSM=Vandy
UPMC=Emory
The rest.
Interviewed at both last year. Got a better "vibe" from Duke in terms of resident happiness/collegiality but preferred Columbia for location, location, location.
Reputation is a toss up - perhaps Columbia's name is tad better but coming from either program will make you a solid fellowship applicant. Also, if your ultimate goal is to stay in the NE for fellowship, I would pick Columbia
I also think Columbia attracts more single/unattached people who are excited to explore the night-life.
