Once Upon A Time WW Game Thread

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Dwindlin said:
In my defense I've missed only one lynch. I've used my ability each night. It just hasn't given much useful information to pass along.
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true enough. If you can keep active, more power to you. You came along and convinced enough people to keep you around, so you there is that too.

I agree with SOV, this not having to vote and getting to criticize those other peoples votes is fun 😛

But I wantz my PM's back!
 
aw crap. I knew I had a bad feeling about that lynch 🙁
 
Well feck 🙁 This system of "pick an inactive person" has backfired again...first Lissarae, now nohika...
 
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Sorry I've been MIA. I'll be around the rest of the week though, just been a little crazy today and yesterday.
I caught up kind of quickly, but I think it's really interesting that we've had a kill every other night. I do wonder if it's a game mechanism (I think someone pointed this out earlier). I'll be interested to see if that continues or if there's something else going on. It could be a very few wolves to start out with conversions/kills every other night, but it seems like with so few wolves to start it would be hard to find those one or two and then they would quickly grow in numbers. Maybe a chance of failure every night and the wolves are not winning at RNG?
 
Lupin21 said:
blah. Belle is who I feel most closely connected to in the show. And a seer to boot. I got the lamp but didnt read before rubbing it good and hard :naughty: but I asked three questions anyway.
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At least the lamp got something out of it, even if you didn't.
 
Lupin21 said:
blah. Belle is who I feel most closely connected to in the show. And a seer to boot. I got the lamp but didnt read before rubbing it good and hard :naughty: but I asked three questions anyway.
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I feel I'm more likely to answer any question of me when my lamp is getting a good hard rubbing....
 
Not Belle! That really sucks!

Sorry I wasn't around more today. Got a bit busy.
 
Ugh, dangnabbit!

If you are a seer amd know you wont he on much, look into someone in your group the first 2 nights and let thek know who you are. That way they can come on and say we shouldnt lynch you. :bang:
 
Hey rojo, if you ever get the chance, come to my group please.
 
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Mods, my contingency for next day round:

lynch rojo I will change if there is info, but I feel his ability to be easily persuaded into thinking anyone is good is now just putting us at a significant disadvantage.
 
DVMDream said:
Mods, my contingency for next day round:

lynch rojo I will change if there is info, but I feel his ability to be easily persuaded into thinking anyone is good is now just putting us at a significant disadvantage.
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Doesnt mean the rest of us will follow what he says is good. You lynch him, im pretty sure you lynch a villager.
 
StartingoverVet said:
I have seen some REALLY inactive players as wolves last time I modded (last month)...

And I figure Nohika will be mod-killed soon. If she is going to be killed anyway, better to do it ourselves until we get better info and can lynch a sure wolf.
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BS in all previous games the stance has been that if they are soon to be mod killed anyway why should we waste our time killing them? Better to lynch someone else. I have been yelled at before for suggesting lynching the player that might be mod killed soon anyway.
 
wolfspeaker said:
Doesnt mean the rest of us will follow what he says is good. You lynch him, im pretty sure you lynch a villager.
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I would rather lynch the sheep than to randomly lynch another important player like we have been. He isn't doing us any good. He is withholding information and then arguing that lynching a neutral character is not a good idea and he would rather chance lynching important villagers. Villager or not, that is a dangerous player to have around.
 
DVMDream said:
BS in all previous games the stance has been that if they are soon to be mod killed anyway why should we waste our time killing them? Better to lynch someone else. I have been yelled at before for suggesting lynching the player that might be mod killed soon anyway.
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But then the odds are that you're going to end up with two villager deaths and not one. Sure, you could get lucky and lynch a wolf. But it's much more likely it's going to be a villager.
 
wildcatj said:
But then the odds are that you're going to end up with two villager deaths and not one. Sure, you could get lucky and lynch a wolf. But it's much more likely it's going to be a villager.
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Exactly my point. But I have been scolded before for thinking this. SOV himself, IIRC, was one who scolded me, so to change your thoughts on that is very odd.
 
DVMDream said:
I would rather lynch the sheep than to randomly lynch another important player like we have been. He isn't doing us any good. He is withholding information and then arguing that lynching a neutral character is not a good idea and he would rather chance lynching important villagers. Villager or not, that is a dangerous player to have around.
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So you are trying to pin Nohika's death and subsequently being found out to be a seer on me because I decided not to throw Hook to the masses because they might not be a wolf? Hell, we wouldn't have had any of the conversation if I didn't even bring it up... and I'm not the only one that knows Hook's identity. You also wouldn't of known Tamara's identity without me, and we still aren't convinced we got a wolf there... we don't win the game killing all neutral characters, we win it by killing the wolves.

But because I'm willing to give some time to figure out **** instead of gut reacting to any bit of information, I'm a sheep? I'd rather believe the people who couldn't entertain the idea that Tamara or Hook weren't anything but evil be considered sheep, than myself, who is actually willing to see if we could figure out things rather than just "ERHMAGAWD GUYS, THAT PERSON HAS TO BE BAD" and lynching them. And now SOV also claims to believe that there can feasibly be neutral characters in this game, so we going to lynch him after me because he is also a sheep?

****ing bull****. Its a weak ass reason to try to lynch me...
 
wolfspeaker said:
Hey rojo, if you ever get the chance, come to my group please.
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dunno how I would do that... don't know of any thing that lets you pick what group you want to move to... seems a few things randomly move people, but i'd have to randomly get that, and i'd have to get luckily randomly moved to your group (and you'd have to still be alive 😉 )
 
thedrjojo said:
So you are trying to pin Nohika's death and subsequently being found out to be a seer on me because I decided not to throw Hook to the masses because they might not be a wolf? Hell, we wouldn't have had any of the conversation if I didn't even bring it up... and I'm not the only one that knows Hook's identity. You also wouldn't of known Tamara's identity without me, and we still aren't convinced we got a wolf there... we don't win the game killing all neutral characters, we win it by killing the wolves.

But because I'm willing to give some time to figure out **** instead of gut reacting to any bit of information, I'm a sheep? I'd rather believe the people who couldn't entertain the idea that Tamara or Hook weren't anything but evil be considered sheep, than myself, who is actually willing to see if we could figure out things rather than just "ERHMAGAWD GUYS, THAT PERSON HAS TO BE BAD" and lynching them. And now SOV also claims to believe that there can feasibly be neutral characters in this game, so we going to lynch him after me because he is also a sheep?

****ing bull****. Its a weak ass reason to try to lynch me...
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No it is because you said that you would rather randomly lynch and protect the NEUTRAL player than to lynch the neutral player. That is dumb, very dumb. Without guaranteed info on a wolf, thid early in the game it is much better to lynch a 100% known neutral than to throw knives in the dark at the remaining 20-some it players.
 
DVMDream said:
I would rather lynch the sheep than to randomly lynch another important player like we have been. He isn't doing us any good. He is withholding information and then arguing that lynching a neutral character is not a good idea and he would rather chance lynching important villagers. Villager or not, that is a dangerous player to have around.
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the likelihood that we lynch an important villager is not that great actually... usually an important villager has someone to back them up, or will role reveal and get people to change their vote. Sometimes that doesn't pan out (like this time with Nohika), but that's not often the case.

Villagers die in these games. We all know it happens. It sucks at times, but its the way these games go. Killing off the unknown is sometimes a better proposition than killing the known. Knowledge is power and vital in this game. Don't worry, I'm not hoarding my knowledge... it's been spread, and if I'm not blocked from PMing, it will continue to be spread. But as I said, sometimes the masses are just too eager to maul...
 
DVMDream said:
No it is because you said that you would rather randomly lynch and protect the NEUTRAL player than to lynch the neutral player. That is dumb, very dumb. Without guaranteed info on a wolf, thid early in the game it is much better to lynch a 100% known neutral than to throw knives in the dark at the remaining 20-some it players.
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That last it should say odd.
 
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thedrjojo said:
the likelihood that we lynch an important villager is not that great actually... usually an important villager has someone to back them up, or will role reveal and get people to change their vote. Sometimes that doesn't pan out (like this time with Nohika), but that's not often the case.

Villagers die in these games. We all know it happens. It sucks at times, but its the way these games go. Killing off the unknown is sometimes a better proposition than killing the known. Knowledge is power and vital in this game. Don't worry, I'm not hoarding my knowledge... it's been spread, and if I'm not blocked from PMing, it will continue to be spread. But as I said, sometimes the masses are just too eager to maul...
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I really hope one of these games I get to be a wolf in your group so that I can tell you, " I'm x character, one of the most evil people in the show, but I'm a villager and I have this villager- like role." Then I will sit back and laugh as you defend me.
 
DVMDream said:
No it is because you said that you would rather randomly lynch and protect the NEUTRAL player than to lynch the neutral player. That is dumb, very dumb. Without guaranteed info on a wolf, thid early in the game it is much better to lynch a 100% known neutral than to throw knives in the dark at the remaining 20-some it players.
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I don't get how that is "dumb, very dumb". NEUTRAL doesn't mean wolf, and doesn't mean independent win condition, so, to me, basically translates into "villager". Unless someone knows otherwise, but even SOV said that it may be going on in this game... And just cause we don't lynch them this round, we still have the option... And its much better to conserve villagers later on than be worried about conserving them this early. That's part of why I like the lynch the quiet, inactive person tactic... I want people mid and end game that have been following along and can recall the **** that went down, that have been trying to figure **** out, and have been interested in the game, rather than someone who hasn't been there... A seer that hasn't been seering doesn't do us much good either (not saying Nohika hasn't been doing her role...)
 
thedrjojo said:
we don't win the game killing all neutral characters, we win it by killing the wolves.
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Yeah. But we lose it by having the wolves outnumber the villagers. So <not killing villagers> is a good thing.

And meanwhile, the neutral characters are also doing what they can to harm villagers, because they need wolves AND villagers dead.
 
thedrjojo said:
I don't get how that is "dumb, very dumb". NEUTRAL doesn't mean wolf, and doesn't mean independent win condition, so, to me, basically translates into "villager". Unless someone knows otherwise, but even SOV said that it may be going on in this game... And just cause we don't lynch them this round, we still have the option... And its much better to conserve villagers later on than be worried about conserving them this early. That's part of why I like the lynch the quiet, inactive person tactic... I want people mid and end game that have been following along and can recall the **** that went down, that have been trying to figure **** out, and have been interested in the game, rather than someone who hasn't been there... A seer that hasn't been seering doesn't do us much good either (not saying Nohika hasn't been doing her role...)
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I disagree but don't have time to explain why, have to go milk cows, I know you are jealous; cause you love cows.
 
DVMDream said:
I really hope one of these games I get to be a wolf in your group so that I can tell you, " I'm x character, one of the most evil people in the show, but I'm a villager and I have this villager- like role." Then I will sit back and laugh as you defend me.
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Lot of good it did FFM... he'd still be alive if he didn't tell me he was Tamara...

I look forward to it DVMD... cause we all know the game is won on the second night... pathetic...

Can I be played for a fool? Sure. I have been in the past. Can it work to my advantage and to others advantage? Indeed.

If you still can't see how Tamara or Hook could be wildcards or not aligned with the wolves, then I dunno. It's not like I'm defending Regina, Cora, or Rumplestiltskin up here (who has had his defenders....). If you think this show/game is that easy to figure out, maybe you are just smarter than I am...
 
StartingoverVet said:
Hmmm...

I have learned some info that makes me think that FFM could have been neutral, and perhaps did not have any "win" condition....

It would make sense if a number of characters had this kind of role if they were morally ambiguous... I could see Hook, Greg, Tamara, Gold.

My problem with thinking that is that leaves very few wolf candidates that make sense.

I am confused. :shrug:
I am using the shrug emoticon frequently this game.
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LetItSnow said:
Yeah. But we lose it by having the wolves outnumber the villagers. So <not killing villagers> is a good thing.

And meanwhile, the neutral characters are also doing what they can to harm villagers, because they need wolves AND villagers dead.
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Not a wolf, and not having their own win condition... so how do they win :shrug:

We have 28 people left. Lets get real people... early game its about building your alliances, figuring out as much information so that later on, when only a few people still are left and, if the game is built in a balanced fashion, is close at the end, that information gathered in the beginning of the game pays off at the closing bell.

It's not like I'm the only one who knows Hook's identity either. You keep focusing on me with this cause I brought it out into the open that Hook is known but that hook is claiming to not be a wolf...
 
LetItSnow said:
Yeah. But we lose it by having the wolves outnumber the villagers. So <not killing villagers> is a good thing.

And meanwhile, the neutral characters are also doing what they can to harm villagers, because they need wolves AND villagers dead.
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That's usually chaotic characters or ones with win conditions who do that. Not neutral.
 
thedrjojo said:
dunno how I would do that... don't know of any thing that lets you pick what group you want to move to... seems a few things randomly move people, but i'd have to randomly get that, and i'd have to get luckily randomly moved to your group (and you'd have to still be alive 😉 )
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Disnt know the moving things moved yoi randomly. Boo.

I just got done milking cows. I promise i was gentle, haha!
 
DVMDream said:
I would rather lynch the sheep than to randomly lynch another important player like we have been. He isn't doing us any good. He is withholding information and then arguing that lynching a neutral character is not a good idea and he would rather chance lynching important villagers. Villager or not, that is a dangerous player to have around.
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So, the real -issue here is that he's withholding information from YOU and you don't like not being in the know. He is not hoarding information.
Not everything needs to be out in the open on thread this early in the game. Just like we shouldnt try and force pairs to come out into the open.

Ajd if it turns out that rojo is being played, it's not as if YOU haven't ever been played in a game before.
 
wolfspeaker said:
That's usually chaotic characters or ones with win conditions who do that. Not neutral.
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I have never agreed that there's any difference. You're either FOR the villagers, or you're NOT. There's no truly 'neutral' position in WW. Yes, I know you disagree. It's my opinion that from a functional viewpoint, you're wrong.
 
LetItSnow said:
I have never agreed that there's any difference. You're either FOR the villagers, or you're NOT. There's no truly 'neutral' position in WW. Yes, I know you disagree. It's my opinion that from a functional viewpoint, you're wrong.
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we aren't sure what the distinction is. look at SOV's post that I quoted... if they don't have their own win condition, and aren't wolves, what else could they be than villagers?
 
thedrjojo said:
we aren't sure what the distinction is. look at SOV's post that I quoted... if they don't have their own win condition, and aren't wolves, what else could they be than villagers?
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I guess I've lost track of what part of the discussion is for the sake of discussion and what part specifically refers to this game.

If you have no win condition of your own and aren't a wolf ... I don't know what that would be. Have we ever HAD a character like that with absolutely no allegiance AND no way to win?

If we're talking about Tamara, you know my opinion: I think Tamara was most likely a wolf, with a chaotic/neutral (to me, they're the same thing) with a separate win condition as a distance second possibility.

If you're referring to FFM telling you that FFM didn't have his own win condition ... meh ... that's not really a data point I'd put any stock in.
 
LetItSnow said:
I guess I've lost track of what part of the discussion is for the sake of discussion and what part specifically refers to this game.

If you have no win condition of your own and aren't a wolf ... I don't know what that would be. Have we ever HAD a character like that with absolutely no allegiance AND no way to win?

If we're talking about Tamara, you know my opinion: I think Tamara was most likely a wolf, with a chaotic/neutral (to me, they're the same thing) with a separate win condition as a distance second possibility.

If you're referring to FFM telling you that FFM didn't have his own win condition ... meh ... that's not really a data point I'd put any stock in.
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FFM alone, no... but I'd be interested to know what SOV knows...
 
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