Once Upon A Time WW Game Thread

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How do we heal people? Is it an item? An ability?

Based on the items floating around that have been mentioned, I'm led to believe that it's someone's role ability and should probably remain a secret so the wolves don't go after whoever the healer is.
 
Hate to bring this up again, but I strongly believe Tamara is a wolf, based on the show dynamics.

Also, Red's cloak has been floating around and has been mentioned. Do we think it protects from a wolf conversion (that's what it does for Red in the show)? Or is it only useful if Red gets her hands on it?
 
Hate to bring this up again, but I strongly believe Tamara is a wolf, based on the show dynamics.

Also, Red's cloak has been floating around and has been mentioned. Do we think it protects from a wolf conversion (that's what it does for Red in the show)? Or is it only useful if Red gets her hands on it?

Can you see Tamara and Regina or Cora being on the same team? I can't. So if Tamara is a wolf, then Regina / Cora either either not wolves, or we have 2 wolf packs. Considering that there have been like no kills, i'm beginning to doubt the 2 wolf pack idea... unless they are just gaining numbers now... DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.

Are you still Henry, or did you come back as someone else? If you came back as Henry, then did your coming break the curse, which coincides with the return of magic...
 
Hate to bring this up again, but I strongly believe Tamara is a wolf, based on the show dynamics.

Also, Red's cloak has been floating around and has been mentioned. Do we think it protects from a wolf conversion (that's what it does for Red in the show)? Or is it only useful if Red gets her hands on it?

Hmmm...

From what I remember people saying, when they've used it, the message they're given is something like "it keeps you warm" or whatever, but then it moves into RNG. We don't know whether it saved people or not. But maybe once Red gets it, then she keeps it and it does something else?

Do character-specific items keep floating between people until it reaches it's specific character? It seems nothing has happened with the top hat yet - until the Mad Hatter gets it I guess.
 
DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.

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According to my source, the mods will tell them when someone has turned to evil. So, they were only told last night (Night 4) that someone turned to evil.
 
Can you see Tamara and Regina or Cora being on the same team? I can't. So if Tamara is a wolf, then Regina / Cora either either not wolves, or we have 2 wolf packs. Considering that there have been like no kills, i'm beginning to doubt the 2 wolf pack idea... unless they are just gaining numbers now... DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.

Are you still Henry, or did you come back as someone else? If you came back as Henry, then did your coming break the curse, which coincides with the return of magic...

I'm not sure the bad guys need to be on the same team to be wolves (Boba Fett and the Emperor certainly weren't in canon), though that would be an interesting game mechanic. I think the wolves would not reveal there was a conversion, so I'm inclined to trust DVMD (they are more likely to say there's a failed attack, I think. Though a conversion can cause confusion, so I'm not really sure.

I did come back as Henry (still a villager, BTW), but did not hear anything about the curse in my PM from the mods.
 
I'm not sure the bad guys need to be on the same team to be wolves (Boba Fett and the Emperor certainly weren't in canon), though that would be an interesting game mechanic. I think the wolves would not reveal there was a conversion, so I'm inclined to trust DVMD (they are more likely to say there's a failed attack, I think. Though a conversion can cause confusion, so I'm not really sure.

I did come back as Henry (still a villager, BTW), but did not hear anything about the curse in my PM from the mods.

well, you said you can't see Tamara not being a wolf... so I was confused. I dunno, this tamara thing has confused things.
 
well, you said you can't see Tamara not being a wolf... so I was confused. I dunno, this tamara thing has confused things.

Sorry, did I clear things up?
 
Getting caught up. I will be doing Fourth of July family clan stuff the rest of the day.

1) I completely disagree with LIS' characterization of neutral players both historically and in this game. The vast majority of neutral players in these games have no way to win, they are simply neutral.

I can think of more games - especially recently - where the neutral/chaos characters have their own win conditions than I can where they don't. I think the hyperbole of "vast majority" isn't just a stretch, it's wrong.

A so-called neutral player that has some abilities may be much more helpful than a villager who isn't using them, or may not have them or whatever.

Yes, but it's a crapshoot. You can say that they might help, and I can point out that their ability is just as likely to hurt villagers. Since we have no way to tell, and since they are definitely not *FOR* a villager win, then it's a better choice to remove them than to lynch someone who counts for villager numbers. I'd rather stretch villager numbers out than let a neutral who may or may not be helping coast along. Obviously this is a flexible approach; if we have a good reason to think the neutral is really helping villagers, I'd feel differently. But if we don't know, I'd approach it more conservatively and get rid of the neutral.

If we can identify a lot of neutral players, that does help us in narrowing down the list of who can be wolves.

Agreed. But they don't necessarily need to be alive for us to do that.

According to my source, the mods will tell them when someone has turned to evil. So, they were only told last night (Night 4) that someone turned to evil.

Just throwing this out so it's recorded: I also note that nstarz came back last night. I've no reason to think it's anything other than coincidental timing, but .... conversion-by-rez?

DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.

I'm inclined to trust her if only because I can't think of a great reason for the wolves to promote a lie about there being a convert last night.

here are 3 deaths so far... all 3 of them via lynch... the wolves had 1 kill so far, and they just came back.

Given the atypical lack of nighttime dying ... I wonder if we really know that Nstarz' first death was at wolf hands? I have been assuming it was (like you obviously did), but ... I'm starting to wonder.

For now.... lynch Lupin as a (wild) guess.
 
lynch minnerbelle...not a strong suspicion but I'm heading out soon and want to get a vote in.
 
Getting caught up. I will be doing Fourth of July family clan stuff the rest of the day.



I can think of more games - especially recently - where the neutral/chaos characters have their own win conditions than I can where they don't. I think the hyperbole of "vast majority" isn't just a stretch, it's wrong.



Yes, but it's a crapshoot. You can say that they might help, and I can point out that their ability is just as likely to hurt villagers. Since we have no way to tell, and since they are definitely not *FOR* a villager win, then it's a better choice to remove them than to lynch someone who counts for villager numbers. I'd rather stretch villager numbers out than let a neutral who may or may not be helping coast along. Obviously this is a flexible approach; if we have a good reason to think the neutral is really helping villagers, I'd feel differently. But if we don't know, I'd approach it more conservatively and get rid of the neutral.



Agreed. But they don't necessarily need to be alive for us to do that.



Just throwing this out so it's recorded: I also note that nstarz came back last night. I've no reason to think it's anything other than coincidental timing, but .... conversion-by-rez?



I'm inclined to trust her if only because I can't think of a great reason for the wolves to promote a lie about there being a convert last night.



Given the atypical lack of nighttime dying ... I wonder if we really know that Nstarz' first death was at wolf hands? I have been assuming it was (like you obviously did), but ... I'm starting to wonder.

For now.... lynch Lupin as a (wild) guess.

I wasn't told how I died, just that I did.
 
Unfortunately, evil always has to come in and ruin everything. There was an unfortunate death last night. NStarz - Henry Mills was found dead. COD: multiple apples shoved down his throat. Too bad he never was reunited with his mother, Emma.



Just throwing this out so it's recorded: I also note that nstarz came back last night. I've no reason to think it's anything other than coincidental timing, but .... conversion-by-rez?

I'm inclined to trust her if only because I can't think of a great reason for the wolves to promote a lie about there being a convert last night.

Given the atypical lack of nighttime dying ... I wonder if we really know that Nstarz' first death was at wolf hands? I have been assuming it was (like you obviously did), but ... I'm starting to wonder.

According to NStarz's COD from the Mods, she could've still been killed by wolves. I doubt it wasn't the wolves. If we're thinking Regina is a definite wolf, then this COD easily fits in with a wolf kill by Regina.

Even if wolves are needing to activate or whatever, Regina in the show already knows everything and doesn't need activation, therefore; this wolf kill I guess was done by Regina.
 
Even if wolves are needing to activate or whatever, Regina in the show already knows everything and doesn't need activation, therefore; this wolf kill I guess was done by Regina.

Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?

I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.
 
Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?

I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.

Maybe. But the same thing has happened in a previous game. The vet school WW, there wasn't a successful kill until something like Night 4, people kept being protected by items (car, Dr. Google).
 
Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?

I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.

Agreed. If we attribute last night to conversion though, I wonder if we will have any kills tonight since it's an odd night again and there haven't been any kills on odd nights yet (right?).
 
And there's apparently a role that tells when a conversion has occurred, so if that's the case then we know that the other nights with no kills weren't conversions. Which throws out the earlier theory of every other night kill/convert.
 
Agreed. If we attribute last night to conversion though, I wonder if we will have any kills tonight since it's an odd night again and there haven't been any kills on odd nights yet (right?).

So I gather that in the show there's some sort of blending where (most of?) the characters exist both in 'our' world and the 'fantasy' world? Is that right? If so, do they exist simultaneously in both, or go back and forth? Is some mechanism around that possible?

I actually want to start watching this show because of everyone here talking about it, but haven't had time yet.
 
So I gather that in the show there's some sort of blending where (most of?) the characters exist both in 'our' world and the 'fantasy' world? Is that right? If so, do they exist simultaneously in both, or go back and forth? Is some mechanism around that possible?

I actually want to start watching this show because of everyone here talking about it, but haven't had time yet.

So far, from what I have seen, it seems as if they exist in our world MOST of the time, then during the show they have "flashbacks" to what they did and things that happened to them in their world before coming to our world. There has been one time (that I have seen) that they went back to their world, but they came back rather quickly to our world. It appears that they only exist in one world at a time. (I am only on episode 12 of season 2 though, still 10 episodes to go).
 
So far, from what I have seen, it seems as if they exist in our world MOST of the time, then during the show they have "flashbacks" to what they did and things that happened to them in their world before coming to our world. There has been one time (that I have seen) that they went back to their world, but they came back rather quickly to our world. It appears that they only exist in one world at a time. (I am only on episode 12 of season 2 though, still 10 episodes to go).

Sorry guys, some of this may be slightly spoilerish. I am not very good at the spoiler in white text thing, then again, I feel as if most people probably read it anyway. 😛
 
Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?

I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.

I honestly don't know what's typical since I just started playing 🙁 just pointing out that it looks like someone intentionally targeted NStarz from the write-up.

That's why I'm having my doubts about any curse needing to be broken. :shrug:
 
Regarding the conversion, I do think Nstarz is a good possibility (due to the resurrection), unless the whole death and resurrection were part of the game mechanic.
Season 1 spoiler:
The curse was lifted after Henry ate an apple, went into a "coma", and was revived from "true love's kiss" (on the forehead, from his mother). After that everyone remembered who they were, and a lot more started happening in the show involving magic and plotting and good vs evil. So maybe tonight will be the first real night of action by the characters.
Just a thought.



p.s. I know I am supposed to ask permission before editing a post, but since this was spoiler info that I accidently did not put in white, I wanted to correct it ASAP in case anyone wasn't that far in the show!
 
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Maybe. But the same thing has happened in a previous game. The vet school WW, there wasn't a successful kill until something like Night 4, people kept being protected by items (car, Dr. Google).

That game was a long time ago with a lot fewer players. It would require a LOT more blockers and protectors in a game this size. It is possible, but I think it is slightly less likely than weak wolves to start.
 
I'm seriously not a wolf
 
That game was a long time ago with a lot fewer players. It would require a LOT more blockers and protectors in a game this size. It is possible, but I think it is slightly less likely than weak wolves to start.

I honestly don't think the wolves are weak. It wouldn't even fit with the show. The show starts off with the wolves (or who we would believe to be wolves) stronger than the "villagers" (Snow, Charming, Belle, etc). It would not make any sense for the "wolves" to start off weak/weaker than the villagers. The villagers didn't even have any damn clue who they were at the beginning. Those that we would suspect to be wolves knew exactly who they were and were doing everything possible to keep the villagers from figuring out who they were. Weak wolves to start just does not fit the show, IMO and also makes an unbalanced game. It get that it is unlikely for protection/blocking to be responsible for the lack of kills but think about it.. .we have had 4 nights.. 2 no kills, 1 kill and 1 convert. So really that is 2 nights where *something* prevented the wolves from acting, that really does not seem that off to me. Also, the "attacks" that people have been mentioning, I would think those might be from a wolf as well, how would they be able to do that if they needed to be "activated" or if they were "weak"? Same question goes for conversion, how do they persuade someone to become evil if they are weak/unactivated? IMO, it does not add up. I think it is more likely that the wolves have just been unlucky.
 
Don't want to belabor this point on the neutral thing that DVMD and LIS are so argumentative about.....

A number of the games quoted were games I wasn't in, or I got killed right away (MEME) and didn't follow. The only mentioneed one I was in really was mysterious planet, and I don't recall a neutral or chaos character at all.

Even my last game 2 weeks ago had about 4 neutral players, and only dyachei could affect the outcome. As far as I recall, every other game I modded had neutrals who didn;t count in the wolf vs villager count, so killing them made no difference.


The only reason I bring this up again (because I think it is counterproductive when DVMD and LIS get all sidetracked on these argument - usually with each other) is because as I said......
I have pretty solid evidence that there are neutral characters in this game that have no allegiance.
And I think there are a fair number of them.
And they seem to have useful abilities.

So if we want to go killing off all benign characters that can us, then we are forgetting the point is to kill the wolves. If at the end there are 4 villagers and 3 neutrals...and no wolves, villagers win.

Now I would also remind you that the faerie character in my last game was 100% designed by Kaydubs. If she likes that kind of role, and neutral people can ultimately pick sides DO WE REALLY WANT TO START A POGROM AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT OUR ENEMIES? I think, like the wolves last time, we could end up biting the hand that can feed us, and creating enemies where we had friends.

Whether more games or less have chaos characters etc is irrelevant, in that this game there are at least a couple of neutral players that are really neutral.

BUT I AM STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT FFM WAS ONE OF THEM.
 
I honestly don't think the wolves are weak. It wouldn't even fit with the show. The show starts off with the wolves (or who we would believe to be wolves) stronger than the "villagers" (Snow, Charming, Belle, etc). It would not make any sense for the "wolves" to start off weak/weaker than the villagers. The villagers didn't even have any damn clue who they were at the beginning. Those that we would suspect to be wolves knew exactly who they were and were doing everything possible to keep the villagers from figuring out who they were. Weak wolves to start just does not fit the show, IMO and also makes an unbalanced game. It get that it is unlikely for protection/blocking to be responsible for the lack of kills but think about it.. .we have had 4 nights.. 2 no kills, 1 kill and 1 convert. So really that is 2 nights where *something* prevented the wolves from acting, that really does not seem that off to me. Also, the "attacks" that people have been mentioning, I would think those might be from a wolf as well, how would they be able to do that if they needed to be "activated" or if they were "weak"? Same question goes for conversion, how do they persuade someone to become evil if they are weak/unactivated? IMO, it does not add up. I think it is more likely that the wolves have just been unlucky.

I can see that being right too.. we just need more evidence really, and I am not sure how to get it.
 
Regarding the conversion, I do think Nstarz is a good possibility (due to the resurrection), unless the whole death and resurrection were part of the game mechanic.
Season 1 spoiler:
The curse was lifted after Henry ate an apple, went into a "coma", and was revived from "true love's kiss" (on the forehead, from his mother). After that everyone remembered who they were, and a lot more started happening in the show involving magic and plotting and good vs evil. So maybe tonight will be the first real night of action by the characters.
Just a thought.
Based on the info I have I am not sure that is the case, but it might be.

I do know EMMA needed to be activated by Henry, but I don't think it was by the resurrection. I thought it was by finding each other. Mods could be misleading us though.
 
lynch minnerbelle...not a strong suspicion but I'm heading out soon and want to get a vote in.

Well then fu, ***lynch allieh***

Humph.

I do think the coincidence of nstarz Rez and conversion on the same night is kind of suspicious (I'm always suspicious of resurrected people) but we have no way to know that out right now. I think it would be really mean to kill her twice in this short a time unless we had some other reason to be more than kind of suspicious. Another villager could have done it because Henry is apparently super important to villagers. Or the wolves could have done it because she's a great conversion target.

Anyhoos, was working until 5am and am now off again to work... Mahhhhh. But I will be around for a lot of tomorrow and should be able to contribute much more then.
 
Don't want to belabor this point on the neutral thing that DVMD and LIS are so argumentative about.....

So.... DVMD and I are argumentative and you're ... what? Just "politely correcting us" or something? Give me a break. It's kinda condescending to suggest DVMD and I are the only ones doing any arguing here. Especially since you're the one belaboring the point.

I have pretty solid evidence that there are neutral characters in this game that have no allegiance.

So answer this question: When it comes down to tallying whether the wolves outnumber the villagers, do these neutrals in this game count as villagers or do they not? If they do, they're functionally villagers. If they do not, they aren't villagers and we should HAPPILY lynch them over lynching a villager if we can and if there isn't some really compelling role ability they have that we have a high expectancy will be used to further the villager cause.

So if we want to go killing off all benign characters that can us, then we are forgetting the point is to kill the wolves. If at the end there are 4 villagers and 3 neutrals...and no wolves, villagers win.

Sure. And if there are 3 neutrals and 3 villagers and 3 wolves ... the wolves win when it could have been 6 villagers and 3 wolves. So I'd rather kill the players that don't count for our numbers.

You're also ignoring the fact that we really don't know if they're actually benign or neutral.
 
LIS .... smoke a little weed and relax... it is a holiday.

I disagree with you, but I am not going to continue to argue. It isn't worth it.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Let's move on.
 
Allie 1 (Minnerbelle)
Alors 1 (DVMD)
Dyachei 1 (Lupin)
LIS 1 (FH)
Lupin 2 (Dyachei, LIS)
Minnerbelle 1 (Allie)
WolfSpeaker 1 SnS


by my count, we have 29 players, and 3 that cannot vote ( I think TRH and EC said they cannot vote, and I am guessing cuit cannot vote since they are "missing"), so waiting on 18 more votes
 
So answer this question: When it comes down to tallying whether the wolves outnumber the villagers, do these neutrals in this game count as villagers or do they not? If they do, they're functionally villagers. If they do not, they aren't villagers and we should HAPPILY lynch them over lynching a villager if we can and if there isn't some really compelling role ability they have that we have a high expectancy will be used to further the villager cause.

This is my point here. The saying of well.. they are neutral, well, no, they aren't cause a winner has to be determined at some point where do they fit in? If they are counted as villagers when determining a villager:wolf ratio, what is the point of calling them neutral (why the neutral players weren't too happy in my mysterious planet game). If they don't count for wolf or villager then what? It is still better lynching them over a villager (we need VILLAGER numbers not neutral numbers.. if they really are just "blanks", I don't know, seems odd).
 
Thanks tuckervet! Stopped for gas and figured I'd check in on you lot.

Disappointed by the number of votes.....2 hrs left! LIS rule still counts on holidays.
 
LIS .... smoke a little weed and relax... it is a holiday.

I disagree with you, but I am not going to continue to argue. It isn't worth it.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Let's move on.

Dude, I'm relaxed. But it's insulting when you argue but then say it's just dvmd and I doing the arguing. At least be honest.
 
I don't have too many of my own suspicions thus far, but I'm going to go with DVMD's gut and

lynch alors
 
Dude, I'm relaxed. But it's insulting when you argue but then say it's just dvmd and I doing the arguing. At least be honest.

I didn't say it was JUST you guys.. that was your interpretation (I was just using you guys as a point from the past... if that was not clear, I apologize)... and because we were arguing is why I tried to cool it and change the subject.
 
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Couldn't resist... 😛
 
I think that the debate over "neutral vs. villager" definitions is at an impasse. It doesn't look like anyone is changing their opinions so let's focus our energy on something more productive 🙂
 
I just got back from work a bit ago and have been busy ever since running errands and now I have to run to a BBQ for impromptu Irish style 4th....

I don't have time to read everything but it doesn't seem like we have any info and everyone is just throwing out more random votes....

for now

lynch SV88

cause they are new, I know nothing about them, and they are flying around the radar

willing to waffle
 
Off to the dentist 🙁 so I'm not sure if I'll make it back in time.

Contingency lynch Alors
 
How I imagine an SOV/LIS fight:

hDCCA1453

LMAO!!! that's awesome

I'm doing a BBQ today, so that's why I haven't been active today too much (only a few posts = not much active for me)...

Don't lynch Alors. Not Hook and I believe to be a villager.

lynch SnS cause i'm tired of saying that WS has someone vouching for them, even though I can't find SnS's lynch vote for WS, it's on the unofficial tally... I'll try to come back and see before lynch...
 
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