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How do we heal people? Is it an item? An ability?
no one healed me 🙁
How do we heal people? Is it an item? An ability?
How do we heal people? Is it an item? An ability?
no one healed me 🙁
Hate to bring this up again, but I strongly believe Tamara is a wolf, based on the show dynamics.
Also, Red's cloak has been floating around and has been mentioned. Do we think it protects from a wolf conversion (that's what it does for Red in the show)? Or is it only useful if Red gets her hands on it?
Hate to bring this up again, but I strongly believe Tamara is a wolf, based on the show dynamics.
Also, Red's cloak has been floating around and has been mentioned. Do we think it protects from a wolf conversion (that's what it does for Red in the show)? Or is it only useful if Red gets her hands on it?
DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.
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Can you see Tamara and Regina or Cora being on the same team? I can't. So if Tamara is a wolf, then Regina / Cora either either not wolves, or we have 2 wolf packs. Considering that there have been like no kills, i'm beginning to doubt the 2 wolf pack idea... unless they are just gaining numbers now... DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.
Are you still Henry, or did you come back as someone else? If you came back as Henry, then did your coming break the curse, which coincides with the return of magic...
I'm not sure the bad guys need to be on the same team to be wolves (Boba Fett and the Emperor certainly weren't in canon), though that would be an interesting game mechanic. I think the wolves would not reveal there was a conversion, so I'm inclined to trust DVMD (they are more likely to say there's a failed attack, I think. Though a conversion can cause confusion, so I'm not really sure.
I did come back as Henry (still a villager, BTW), but did not hear anything about the curse in my PM from the mods.
well, you said you can't see Tamara not being a wolf... so I was confused. I dunno, this tamara thing has confused things.
1) I completely disagree with LIS' characterization of neutral players both historically and in this game. The vast majority of neutral players in these games have no way to win, they are simply neutral.
A so-called neutral player that has some abilities may be much more helpful than a villager who isn't using them, or may not have them or whatever.
If we can identify a lot of neutral players, that does help us in narrowing down the list of who can be wolves.
According to my source, the mods will tell them when someone has turned to evil. So, they were only told last night (Night 4) that someone turned to evil.
DVMD did say someone was converted last night... does that mean there weren't converts the previous nights, or just that we know for sure (if we trust her) that there was a convert last night.
here are 3 deaths so far... all 3 of them via lynch... the wolves had 1 kill so far, and they just came back.
Getting caught up. I will be doing Fourth of July family clan stuff the rest of the day.
I can think of more games - especially recently - where the neutral/chaos characters have their own win conditions than I can where they don't. I think the hyperbole of "vast majority" isn't just a stretch, it's wrong.
Yes, but it's a crapshoot. You can say that they might help, and I can point out that their ability is just as likely to hurt villagers. Since we have no way to tell, and since they are definitely not *FOR* a villager win, then it's a better choice to remove them than to lynch someone who counts for villager numbers. I'd rather stretch villager numbers out than let a neutral who may or may not be helping coast along. Obviously this is a flexible approach; if we have a good reason to think the neutral is really helping villagers, I'd feel differently. But if we don't know, I'd approach it more conservatively and get rid of the neutral.
Agreed. But they don't necessarily need to be alive for us to do that.
Just throwing this out so it's recorded: I also note that nstarz came back last night. I've no reason to think it's anything other than coincidental timing, but .... conversion-by-rez?
I'm inclined to trust her if only because I can't think of a great reason for the wolves to promote a lie about there being a convert last night.
Given the atypical lack of nighttime dying ... I wonder if we really know that Nstarz' first death was at wolf hands? I have been assuming it was (like you obviously did), but ... I'm starting to wonder.
For now.... lynch Lupin as a (wild) guess.
Unfortunately, evil always has to come in and ruin everything. There was an unfortunate death last night. NStarz - Henry Mills was found dead. COD: multiple apples shoved down his throat. Too bad he never was reunited with his mother, Emma.
Just throwing this out so it's recorded: I also note that nstarz came back last night. I've no reason to think it's anything other than coincidental timing, but .... conversion-by-rez?
I'm inclined to trust her if only because I can't think of a great reason for the wolves to promote a lie about there being a convert last night.
Given the atypical lack of nighttime dying ... I wonder if we really know that Nstarz' first death was at wolf hands? I have been assuming it was (like you obviously did), but ... I'm starting to wonder.
Even if wolves are needing to activate or whatever, Regina in the show already knows everything and doesn't need activation, therefore; this wolf kill I guess was done by Regina.
Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?
I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.
Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?
I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.
Agreed. If we attribute last night to conversion though, I wonder if we will have any kills tonight since it's an odd night again and there haven't been any kills on odd nights yet (right?).
So I gather that in the show there's some sort of blending where (most of?) the characters exist both in 'our' world and the 'fantasy' world? Is that right? If so, do they exist simultaneously in both, or go back and forth? Is some mechanism around that possible?
I actually want to start watching this show because of everyone here talking about it, but haven't had time yet.
So far, from what I have seen, it seems as if they exist in our world MOST of the time, then during the show they have "flashbacks" to what they did and things that happened to them in their world before coming to our world. There has been one time (that I have seen) that they went back to their world, but they came back rather quickly to our world. It appears that they only exist in one world at a time. (I am only on episode 12 of season 2 though, still 10 episodes to go).
Ok. Then, just for the sake of argument, where has Regina been the other two nights there were no kills? (If there was a conversion last night, that probably explains the lack of kill then)? We somehow luckily managed to block both kills?
I dunno. This is just an awfully atypical lack of killing, and I feel like it's probably meaningful.
Maybe. But the same thing has happened in a previous game. The vet school WW, there wasn't a successful kill until something like Night 4, people kept being protected by items (car, Dr. Google).
That game was a long time ago with a lot fewer players. It would require a LOT more blockers and protectors in a game this size. It is possible, but I think it is slightly less likely than weak wolves to start.
I honestly don't think the wolves are weak. It wouldn't even fit with the show. The show starts off with the wolves (or who we would believe to be wolves) stronger than the "villagers" (Snow, Charming, Belle, etc). It would not make any sense for the "wolves" to start off weak/weaker than the villagers. The villagers didn't even have any damn clue who they were at the beginning. Those that we would suspect to be wolves knew exactly who they were and were doing everything possible to keep the villagers from figuring out who they were. Weak wolves to start just does not fit the show, IMO and also makes an unbalanced game. It get that it is unlikely for protection/blocking to be responsible for the lack of kills but think about it.. .we have had 4 nights.. 2 no kills, 1 kill and 1 convert. So really that is 2 nights where *something* prevented the wolves from acting, that really does not seem that off to me. Also, the "attacks" that people have been mentioning, I would think those might be from a wolf as well, how would they be able to do that if they needed to be "activated" or if they were "weak"? Same question goes for conversion, how do they persuade someone to become evil if they are weak/unactivated? IMO, it does not add up. I think it is more likely that the wolves have just been unlucky.
Someone was seen digging around in the cemetery. Surprise! NStarz has returned from beyond the grave.
Based on the info I have I am not sure that is the case, but it might be.Regarding the conversion, I do think Nstarz is a good possibility (due to the resurrection), unless the whole death and resurrection were part of the game mechanic.
Season 1 spoiler:
The curse was lifted after Henry ate an apple, went into a "coma", and was revived from "true love's kiss" (on the forehead, from his mother). After that everyone remembered who they were, and a lot more started happening in the show involving magic and plotting and good vs evil. So maybe tonight will be the first real night of action by the characters.
Just a thought.
lynch minnerbelle...not a strong suspicion but I'm heading out soon and want to get a vote in.
Don't want to belabor this point on the neutral thing that DVMD and LIS are so argumentative about.....
I have pretty solid evidence that there are neutral characters in this game that have no allegiance.
So if we want to go killing off all benign characters that can us, then we are forgetting the point is to kill the wolves. If at the end there are 4 villagers and 3 neutrals...and no wolves, villagers win.
So answer this question: When it comes down to tallying whether the wolves outnumber the villagers, do these neutrals in this game count as villagers or do they not? If they do, they're functionally villagers. If they do not, they aren't villagers and we should HAPPILY lynch them over lynching a villager if we can and if there isn't some really compelling role ability they have that we have a high expectancy will be used to further the villager cause.
LIS .... smoke a little weed and relax... it is a holiday.
I disagree with you, but I am not going to continue to argue. It isn't worth it.
You have your opinion, I have mine. Let's move on.
Dude, I'm relaxed. But it's insulting when you argue but then say it's just dvmd and I doing the arguing. At least be honest.
How I imagine an SOV/LIS fight:
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How I imagine an SOV/LIS fight:
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