Panem et Circenses - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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Why what?

Wow that was a quick response

How's that iso going?

 

[Navilly]

Trying to understand the Sporty votes in the context of Sporty's vote on cubs

If you are under the impression that Cubs is a wolf, then is your confusion that someone that we think is a wolf would vote another wolf? Or are you confused why people would be voting for people other than cubs right now?

 

[Barkley13]

Wow that was a quick response

How's that iso going?

I'm still not getting wolfy for cubs

 

[Navilly]

I'm still not getting wolfy for cubs

How many games have you played with cubs where they were a wolf?

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Okay who is msp then?

I'm MsP

1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Barkley13
3. @mypetmoose
4. @dolphin106258
6. @emlady09
7. @WildZoo
9. @Lawper
10. @johnnaboo
11. @Doggo Labs
14. @SportPonies
15. @cubsrule4e
17. @Stagg737
18. @StayingPositive2017
19. @PippyPony
20. @Navilly

15 Players left:
Likely villager roles:
Priscus
Tetraites
Spiculus (in theory could go either way due to his "close" relationship with an "evil" emperor)
Hilarus
Raecus Felix
Marcus Attilus
Lion
Leopard
Rhino
Spartacus

Likely Wolves (likely 4 total with either 3 starters and a convert, or simply 4 at the start):
Caprophorus
Commodus
Batiatus
Marcus Licinius Crassus
Nero
Titus


High likelihood villager:
Pippy

Villager lean:
AM

Slight village:
Lawper, Emlady

Complete neutral:
Stagg, Doggo, Johnaboo, Dolphin

Slight wolf:
Barkley, Paws, MsP, Wildzoo

Wolfy lean:
Cubs

High likelihood wolf:
Sport ponies.​

Also there are 16 people left. My name isn't up there​

 

[Barkley13]

How many games have you played with cubs where they were a wolf?

He's been a wolf twice I think? and chaos once

 

[Lawpy]

If you are under the impression that Cubs is a wolf, then is your confusion that someone that we think is a wolf would vote another wolf? Or are you confused why people would be voting for people other than cubs right now?

Yep. A common suggestion could be bussing but that feels weird unless i'm misreading something

 

[Navilly]

Yep. A common suggestion could be bussing but that feels weird unless i'm misreading something

But at the same time you are making the assumption that Cubs is a wolf. Why are you making that assumption.

I'm MsP

Also there are 16 people left. My name isn't up there​

Incorrect, because both mpm and lawper are up there, and they are the same person in this game.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

But at the same time you are making the assumption that Cubs is a wolf. Why are you making that assumption.

Incorrect, because both mpm and lawper are up there, and they are the same person in this game.

Oh, I never saw that. Just noticed my name wasn't there.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Are people mixing me up with mpm?

 

[PippyPony]

I think I'm going to start calling msP Ms. P or Miss Pro or something

 

[Navilly]

Are people mixing me up with mpm?

I did for the first day, and apparently the mod is now doing so.

 

[SportPonies]

Given that Animal Midwife just called you out as saying this is not how you play, I am skeptical.

That is not what she said. She merely said that I DO give reasoning. And I do. However, I'm not typically someone that throws deep analysis posts around for hours every day.

For someone who was so interested in going back and reading previous games to analyze meta, you sure are happy to make tangential extrapolations from one post without doing your own homework.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I think I'm going to start calling msP Ms. P or Miss Pro or something

No Ms.P. Ms Pro, Pro or GoPro is fine.

 

[Navilly]

That is not what she said. She merely said that I DO give reasoning. And I do. However, I'm not typically someone that throws deep analysis posts around for hours every day.

For someone who was so interested in going back and reading previous games to analyze meta, you sure are happy to make tangential extrapolations from one post without doing your own homework.

If I did my own homework to extensively figure out the metas of each individual person, I would not have physical time to post on here, likely for the next week or more. Once again, goes back to the argument that I am the one at a huge disadvantage here, so I rely on others evaluations of meta to supplement my theories and analysis. That was one moment where I utilized it as such.

You do seem to be a bit on the excitable side however. To others out there, does Sportsponies normally get this excitable when lynched as a wolf vs. villager?

 

[SportPonies]

You do seem to be a bit on the excitable side however. To others out there, does Sportsponies normally get this excitable when lynched as a wolf vs. villager?

Not game related: you know who also does this? @WildZoo @PippyPony

 

[SportPonies]

If I did my own homework to extensively figure out the metas of each individual person, I would not have physical time to post on here, likely for the next week or more. Once again, goes back to the argument that I am the one at a huge disadvantage here, so I rely on others evaluations of meta to supplement my theories and analysis. That was one moment where I utilized it as such.

You do seem to be a bit on the excitable side however. To others out there, does Sportsponies normally get this excitable when lynched as a wolf vs. villager?

This is hardly excitable lol. Your threshold of excitability sure seems to be a lot lower than what mine is. You're just annoying me. Which is unsurprising, given your sex and all.

 

[Doggo Labs]

If I did my own homework to extensively figure out the metas of each individual person, I would not have physical time to post on here, likely for the next week or more. Once again, goes back to the argument that I am the one at a huge disadvantage here, so I rely on others evaluations of meta to supplement my theories and analysis. That was one moment where I utilized it as such.

So you're at a disadvantage more than the other noobs, who are on here learning as they go? You have also seaid you've been going back through other games, and saying that you have been looking into their metas. i've just been seeing a lot of flip flopping here with you lately. And not allowing us to do the same in looking you up if we want.
I'm going a Lynch Nav.

 

[Navilly]

This is hardly excitable lol. Your threshold of excitability sure seems to be a lot lower than what mine is. You're just annoying me. Which is unsurprising, given your sex and all.

Whether I am trying to goad you in a game into making a mistake has nothing to do with me as a human being. There is no need to bring sexism into this.

 

[SportPonies]

Whether I am trying to goad you in a game into making a mistake has nothing to do with me as a human being. There is no need to bring sexism into this.

You're right, that was crossing a line and is my bad.

However, I don't make mistakes 😛

 

[Barkley13]

The reasons I'm starting to side eye Nav are that I've noticed a large amount of his posts sound more like directing/teaching other people about how a villager should act versus how wolves act. I'd be more okay with this if I didn't notice it come up repeatedly whereas I feel like he has shared his views on other people less often. The other thing was that I don't agree with using the lore that much because I think it's distracting and I don't agree with trying to encourage people to out someone and lynch them based on name alone since names in this game could be intentionally misleading and it'd be different if someone was was acting sketchy and then they also had a sketchy name.

 

[SportPonies]

However, I don't make mistakes 😛

At least as far as WW goes

 

[Navilly]

The reasons I'm starting to side eye Nav are that I've noticed a large amount of his posts sound more like directing/teaching other people about how a villager should act versus how wolves act. I'd be more okay with this if I didn't notice it come up repeatedly whereas I feel like he has shared his views on other people less often. The other thing was that I don't agree with using the lore that much because I think it's distracting and I don't agree with trying to encourage people to out someone and lynch them based on name alone since names in this game could be intentionally misleading and it'd be different if someone was was acting sketchy and then they also had a sketchy name.

I am going to hard stop you on the lore. I figured out from the lore someone, who shouldn't be a wolfy role, but is based on the write ups. There is a significant amount of content that can be gleamed from lore and write ups.

I understand that names could be misleading, however, based on my role and roles that have popped so far, I have a decent understanding on how the game was set up. I am still not excluding our animal killer as chaos, but they are a character we now know we should lynch, if there is a role name seer out there.

In games that are not thought out as extensively (aka games that usually don't come with cover roles), especially when the lore is limited, this is usually a great way to catch the first wolf, maybe a second.

With respect to me posting my reads, I feel like you haven't been reading my posts thoroughly enough, as I have quite extensively laid out my thoughts on others.

 

[SportPonies]

The reasons I'm starting to side eye Nav are that I've noticed a large amount of his posts sound more like directing/teaching other people about how a villager should act versus how wolves act. I'd be more okay with this if I didn't notice it come up repeatedly whereas I feel like he has shared his views on other people less often. The other thing was that I don't agree with using the lore that much because I think it's distracting and I don't agree with trying to encourage people to out someone and lynch them based on name alone since names in this game could be intentionally misleading and it'd be different if someone was was acting sketchy and then they also had a sketchy name.

I like your evaluation with the first bit here but don't necessarily agree with the second. Which is fine. I just thought I would add my two cents as far as that goes. I do think that there could be some merit deducing affiliation from role name, based on what we've seen so far and what I know, but we'll have to see if it holds true when we flip a wolf. I do at least agree that lynching someone based on role name alone at this point in the game is not solid play.

 

[PippyPony]

The reasons I'm starting to side eye Nav are that I've noticed a large amount of his posts sound more like directing/teaching other people about how a villager should act versus how wolves act. I'd be more okay with this if I didn't notice it come up repeatedly whereas I feel like he has shared his views on other people less often. The other thing was that I don't agree with using the lore that much because I think it's distracting and I don't agree with trying to encourage people to out someone and lynch them based on name alone since names in this game could be intentionally misleading and it'd be different if someone was was acting sketchy and then they also had a sketchy name.

I don't think Nav is a wolf. Like, 95% sure on that one.

Cubs is acting sketchy, he's providing minimal reads and is responding in a somewhat squirmy way to pressure.

 

[PippyPony]

So you're at a disadvantage more than the other noobs, who are on here learning as they go? You have also seaid you've been going back through other games, and saying that you have been looking into their metas. i've just been seeing a lot of flip flopping here with you lately. And not allowing us to do the same in looking you up if we want.
I'm going a Lynch Nav.

This doesn't make any sense.

Do you think this is actually wolfy? Because I would very much like to hear your other reads. All of them.

 

[SportPonies]

I don't think Nav is a wolf. Like, 95% sure on that one.

Cubs is acting sketchy, he's providing minimal reads and is responding in a somewhat squirmy way to pressure.

I agree with this first bit and am ambivalent to the second. Cubs hasn't been screaming non-village to me like he was in UnderWWear. I had no solid evidence there based on what he was saying, but he just... felt off. I haven't gotten that impression from this game, which made me hesitate about a vote on him, but today's earlier conversation about cubs is enough for me to want to see that flip.

 

[SportPonies]

I like your evaluation with the first bit here but don't necessarily agree with the second.

I agree with this first bit and am ambivalent to the second.

I have an overwhelming amount of variety in my sentence structure today.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

The reasons I'm starting to side eye Nav are that I've noticed a large amount of his posts sound more like directing/teaching other people about how a villager should act versus how wolves act. I'd be more okay with this if I didn't notice it come up repeatedly whereas I feel like he has shared his views on other people less often. The other thing was that I don't agree with using the lore that much because I think it's distracting and I don't agree with trying to encourage people to out someone and lynch them based on name alone since names in this game could be intentionally misleading and it'd be different if someone was was acting sketchy and then they also had a sketchy name.

At first I was really into his play. I was like wow this guy really knows what he's doing he's obviously a pro. But then it did seem like he was trying too hard, I never saw other players offering the info he was offering up. I couldn't put my finger on it until you mentioned it. It does seem like he was trying to teach everybody how to be village (or at least how to play well). I don't think he's a wolf however. I think that's just how he is as a person outside of the game. I mean, he went to check out the old WWs and even looked up what the game was about.

 

[Barkley13]

I figured out from the lore someone, who shouldn't be a wolfy role, but is based on the write ups. There is a significant amount of content that can be gleamed from lore and write ups.

I didn’t say to ignore the write ups or that they weren’t useful. I think write ups are definitely use and it’s fine if you’re able to determine someone is wolfy off of that. The problem is with using names alone.

 

[PippyPony]

I didn’t say to ignore the write ups or that they weren’t useful. I think write ups are definitely use and it’s fine if you’re able to determine someone is wolfy off of that. The problem is with using names alone.

Got a sketchy name, Barkbark? 😉

 

[Navilly]

I like your evaluation with the first bit here but don't necessarily agree with the second. Which is fine. I just thought I would add my two cents as far as that goes. I do think that there could be some merit deducing affiliation from role name, based on what we've seen so far and what I know, but we'll have to see if it holds true when we flip a wolf. I do at least agree that lynching someone based on role name alone at this point in the game is not solid play.

I agree with this first bit and am ambivalent to the second. Cubs hasn't been screaming non-village to me like he was in UnderWWear. I had no solid evidence there based on what he was saying, but he just... felt off. I haven't gotten that impression from this game, which made me hesitate about a vote on him, but today's earlier conversation about cubs is enough for me to want to see that flip.

This seems to be walking a tight rope here. You don't think that we should lynch on role name, but your vote for cubs, in which the discussion was based on their role name, was the basis for your vote, even though you don't believe them to be sketchy. Is anyone else confused by this?

I didn’t say to ignore the write ups or that they weren’t useful. I think write ups are definitely use and it’s fine if you’re able to determine someone is wolfy off of that. The problem is with using names alone.

I am not voting on role name right now, I am voting on where my feels are strongest. However, if they have to come up with a role name that is not sketchy, and use a very circumferential type name, then that would sway me to go and vote them.

 

[SportPonies]

This seems to be walking a tight rope here. You don't think that we should lynch on role name, but your vote for cubs, in which the discussion was based on their role name, was the basis for your vote, even though you don't believe them to be sketchy. Is anyone else confused by this?

Reading between the lines, my dear. At risk of being wrong, but as is the case with anything in WW.

 

[Navilly]

Reading between the lines, my dear. At risk of being wrong, but as is the case with anything in WW.

Are you claiming I am reading between the lines, or that I should be reading between the lines? Very different argument you are making depending on what you mean.

 

[PippyPony]

Reading between the lines, my dear. At risk of being wrong, but as is the case with anything in WW.

I mean Nav also said he had some decent evidence that you're a wolf, so I would maybe suggest starting with reading the lines instead of in between them 😉

 

[SportPonies]

Are you claiming I am reading between the lines, or that I should be reading between the lines? Very different argument you are making depending on what you mean.

I'm stating that my vote on cubs is based on reading between the lines of what's been posted today.

 

[PippyPony]

But on that note, why am I reading no posts by @Animal Midwife

Literally whole pages going by with nothing

 

[SportPonies]

I mean Nav also said he had some decent evidence that you're a wolf, so I would maybe suggest starting with reading the lines instead of in between them 😉

Decent? Has seemed weakly contrived to me, frankly.

 

[SportPonies]

But on that note, why am I reading no posts by @Animal Midwife

Literally whole pages going by with nothing

was thinking the same thing. Not to say I haven't seen her do that as village though.

 

[PippyPony]

was thinking the same thing. Not to say I haven't seen her do that as village though.

No but she does it as village when she is grumpy about people not listening to her or replying to her questions. She's not asking very many questions, so I don't know what she might have to be grumpy about.

 

[Navilly]

I'm stating that my vote on cubs is based on reading between the lines of what's been posted today.

If that's the case, then I am not sure where your antagonism back at me is coming from, if we are truly reading between the lines.

No but she does it as village when she is grumpy about people not listening to her or replying to her questions. She's not asking very many questions, so I don't know what she might have to be grumpy about.

Can I make the insane suggestion that she may be having a busy day?

 

[WildZoo]

Nah, you look pretty good with posts so far and that role name research bit should be helpful, so I'd just keep doing what you're doing

Okay, been doing some very brief research on the subject and here is what I have gathered:
We obviously know about Verus and Cirxus at this point. And a random bear. Other villagers in the game would appear to be:
Priscus, the other half to a Verus
Tetraites
Spiculus (in theory could go either way due to his "close" relationship with an "evil" emperor)
Hilarus
Raecus Felix
Marcus Attilus
With a bear in the game, Caprophorus
If Caprophorus in the game, likely a lion and leopard also exists +/- a Rhinoceros
Flamma
Spartacus

Likely Wolves:
Commodus
Batiatus
Marcus Licinius Crassus (the least likely to be in the game of the 5)
Nero
Titus
Based off the preliminary research, I am missing 1 role in the game, and likely a handful of the ones I chose aren't going to be in the game, but if someone is a role name seer and comes across any in the likely wolves column, would be helpful to bring them up.

On the one hand I like this for the effort. On the other hand I'm a tad wary of putting so much faith in role names. On the other other hand...i feel like ignoring role names helped meats win (damn banshee) last game so I'm not opposed to using this as part of the overall analysis. Just as long as it doesn't trigger a bunch of role reveals on thread...

However one person, filled with uncontrolled hate for animals after being made to fight so many of them over the years, got to her before her round started, and slew her.

This to me feels like a role-specific double kill

I believe caprophorus is a wolf who can attempt a kill of an animal either every night or every other night. If anyone has knowledge on caprophorus is, it is more imperative to get them out of here asap.

Alright I see that has already been mentioned, so I'll just give this post a +1

Well, that's the point. If they flip village, you're spared a mislynch and have more info to look at better candidates. If they flip wolf, you've got the purest wagons possible for analysis because the other wolves couldn't have known they were going to suddenly die, plus an extra cycle gained.

I really want to be a vig some game so I can prove this.

Weren't you a vig in Dogs? Haven't you already proven it?

It would be pretty funny. I need someone to push me since Mel can't.

Wow what am, chopped liver? Did my AM reading card expire when I wasn't looking?

My mistake. And in that case, that connects all 3 of them in the nebula.

I think what you're seeing is evidence of the fact that the three of us have played more games together than anybody else here. It's not wolfing. It's familiarity and some mirroring based on history.

Please refer to Mattress store if you want to see how it'd actually go down.

Wait did I bus you in that game?

Yes.

Can we not talk about that game?
But yes pip, you did bus AM there, pushed pretty hard to get other people to vote there and that was part of why I didn't vote for her in the end...

Day 1 Lynch Tally
Cubs () -
Genny (1) - MsP
Dina (1) - Barks
AM () -
Paws (1) - SAR
Stagg (2) - mutts, paws
Barks () -
mpm () -
ziggy (6) - mpm, AM, jboo, Doggo, cubs, emlady
Mutts (5) - genny, Dina, ziggy, dubz, Navs
Sporty (1) - Stagg
Pippy () -
Doggo () -
WZ (1) - Sport

Going back to this vote:

The wolves wouldn't have been dumb enough to all pile on Ziggy, or at least I hope they would have had the sense to not do that. This is a my perspective vs. others moment, but I know I am a villager, meaning the only question mark left on the Mutts lynch is Dubz, raising suspicions on them.

Likely at least 1 on the Ziggy lynch is a wolf, but that's a rabbit hole that can be climbed down at a different point if cubs either provides a good enough role name or if they get lynched and don't turn up wolf.

If sport flips wolf, which I feel pretty decent about at this point, I would want to go into Dubz next (the typical wolf vote for a wolf on day one when there is no chance of them getting lynched)

I still think one other from the bunch of Stagg, Paws, Barks, and MsP will also end up popping as a wolf (outside of sports), but that's once again another rabbit hole for another day. .​

I need to look at the timing for this. My impression was wolves were fine sitting off the main wagons because they were both village, unless a wolf voted for zig relatively early and then felt like they couldn't move elsewhere (*coughs in AM's general direction*).

Not game related: you know who also does this? @WildZoo @PippyPony

Ah the conspiracy theory reawakens...

The reasons I'm starting to side eye Nav are that I've noticed a large amount of his posts sound more like directing/teaching other people about how a villager should act versus how wolves act. I'd be more okay with this if I didn't notice it come up repeatedly whereas I feel like he has shared his views on other people less often. The other thing was that I don't agree with using the lore that much because I think it's distracting and I don't agree with trying to encourage people to out someone and lynch them based on name alone since names in this game could be intentionally misleading and it'd be different if someone was was acting sketchy and then they also had a sketchy name.

Did he not just post a full reads list? I feel like he has been sharing his reads on people fairly frequently. Not sure where this analysis is coming from at all. He did point out sketchiness with cubs before asking anything about role name as well.

That being said, I'm not really feeling the cubs lynch at the moment, need to reread a bit but think I'm looking at dolphin, barks, or stagg today

 

[Navilly]

"Nah, you look pretty good with posts so far and that role name research bit should be helpful, so I'd just keep doing what you're doing"

What was this in response to? There is no quoted post prior.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Nah, you look pretty good with posts so far and that role name research bit should be helpful, so I'd just keep doing what you're doing


On the one hand I like this for the effort. On the other hand I'm a tad wary of putting so much faith in role names. On the other other hand...i feel like ignoring role names helped meats win (damn banshee) last game so I'm not opposed to using this as part of the overall analysis. Just as long as it doesn't trigger a bunch of role reveals on thread...


This to me feels like a role-specific double kill


Alright I see that has already been mentioned, so I'll just give this post a +1



Weren't you a vig in Dogs? Haven't you already proven it?


Wow what am, chopped liver? Did my AM reading card expire when I wasn't looking?


I think what you're seeing is evidence of the fact that the three of us have played more games together than anybody else here. It's not wolfing. It's familiarity and some mirroring based on history.






Can we not talk about that game?
But yes pip, you did bus AM there, pushed pretty hard to get other people to vote there and that was part of why I didn't vote for her in the end...


I need to look at the timing for this. My impression was wolves were fine sitting off the main wagons because they were both village, unless a wolf voted for zig relatively early and then felt like they couldn't move elsewhere (*coughs in AM's general direction*).


Ah the conspiracy theory reawakens...


Did he not just post a full reads list? I feel like he has been sharing his reads on people fairly frequently. Not sure where this analysis is coming from at all. He did point out sketchiness with cubs before asking anything about role name as well. .

That being said, I'm not really feeling the cubs lynch at the moment, need to reread a bit but think I'm looking at dolphin, barks, or stagg today

I was the Banshee last game.

 

[Barkley13]

Got a sketchy name, Barkbark? 😉

You caught me 🙄

This is a joke

I am not voting on role name right now, I am voting on where my feels are strongest. However, if they have to come up with a role name that is not sketchy, and use a very circumferential type name, then that would sway me to go and vote them.

I was more thinking of this post than your current vote:

if someone is a role name seer and comes across any in the likely wolves column, would be helpful to bring them up.

 

[Navilly]

Another musing, if caprophorus is chaos, then I would be inclined to believe one of the wolves is an animal. If caprophorus is a wolf, then I may go as far as soft clearing those with animal roles (except if someone is actually a "wolf" animal role). That goes of course with the understanding that wolves will likely extrapolate out covers (or have the mod providing covers) of animals not included in the game.

You caught me 🙄

This is a joke


I was more thinking of this post than your current vote:

So you are saying if someone comes across say Caprophorus, Titus, Nero, etc., you wouldn't want that brought to the attention of others?

 

[Animal Midwife]

But on that note, why am I reading no posts by @Animal Midwife

Literally whole pages going by with nothing

Hello. Is Monday. I'll be back again before 5.

 

[WildZoo]

"Nah, you look pretty good with posts so far and that role name research bit should be helpful, so I'd just keep doing what you're doing"

What was this in response to? There is no quoted post prior.

Must have been something I was replying to earlier on my phone and then forgot about, running on little sleep and post-exam now so I don't even remember. Sometimes drafts save on here and then they'll get inserted into your next message if you don't delete.

 

[SportPonies]

If caprophorus is a wolf, then I may go as far as soft clearing those with animal roles (except if someone is actually a "wolf" animal role).

I don’t have anything to say about the rest of this post, but I do disagree with a “wolf” role being more likely wolfy. I intentionally wrote the Wolf role in Smash to be a villager and the Villager role to be a wolf.

 

[Navilly]

Nah, you look pretty good with posts so far and that role name research bit should be helpful, so I'd just keep doing what you're doing


On the one hand I like this for the effort. On the other hand I'm a tad wary of putting so much faith in role names. On the other other hand...i feel like ignoring role names helped meats win (damn banshee) last game so I'm not opposed to using this as part of the overall analysis. Just as long as it doesn't trigger a bunch of role reveals on thread...


This to me feels like a role-specific double kill


Alright I see that has already been mentioned, so I'll just give this post a +1



Weren't you a vig in Dogs? Haven't you already proven it?


Wow what am, chopped liver? Did my AM reading card expire when I wasn't looking?


I think what you're seeing is evidence of the fact that the three of us have played more games together than anybody else here. It's not wolfing. It's familiarity and some mirroring based on history.






Can we not talk about that game?
But yes pip, you did bus AM there, pushed pretty hard to get other people to vote there and that was part of why I didn't vote for her in the end...


I need to look at the timing for this. My impression was wolves were fine sitting off the main wagons because they were both village, unless a wolf voted for zig relatively early and then felt like they couldn't move elsewhere (*coughs in AM's general direction*).


Ah the conspiracy theory reawakens...


Did he not just post a full reads list? I feel like he has been sharing his reads on people fairly frequently. Not sure where this analysis is coming from at all. He did point out sketchiness with cubs before asking anything about role name as well. .

That being said, I'm not really feeling the cubs lynch at the moment, need to reread a bit but think I'm looking at dolphin, barks, or stagg today

A few questions for you:

1. When did you look up names and why didn't you bring that up on the thread prior (in reference to agreeing with my assessment for the animal killer)?
2. Do you feel the game has felt too echo chambery for you up until now?
3. What timing would affect your interpretation otherwise on the numbers there (with respect to first vote tally)?
4. What is your basis in defending me on my posts? It's weird and feels like you are simply trying to buy favor.