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Un- Officialish Lynch Tally
Finn (1) - DVMD
Deva (2) - MQ, Ny
MQ (4) - PBC, Finn, Deva, Promo
Ny (1) - CrayCray

8/8 accounted for. Deadline immanent.
 
What a day to be dead!
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The man stretched, and stared at his walls as they shimmered through concrete, blocky dirt and the poster covered, juvenile drywall. Things were getting messy here. Things were falling apart here, and nobody seemed to be doing anything to stop it.

Could it be stopped? Did he want it to stop? Why were these figments haunting him, and why was it necessary for them to die? Hmm.

He paused - did he hear something? No. Must have just been the quiet echo of his own low voice in the dim-cornered, starkly lit room. There had been lots of these Morphological Echoes - @morninqlory - in the past nights, but he thought this was likely to be the last.

It is now Night 8. Night will close at 7AM EST. Get your actions in tonight.

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OVERWORLD
10. @PrincessButterCup
7. @heyyimhayley
13. @DVMDream
14. @nyanko
22. @finnickthedog
19. @Crayola227
3. @Promethean
24. @Devastating

NPC: @Ceke2002

THE NETHER
3. @dyachei - Fear (Ghast)

THE END
20. @hazelmoo - Enderman
2. @Zensing - Mooshroom
18. @Mad Jack - Dream Caused by the Flight of a Bee Around a Pomegranate a Second Before Wakening
21. @LadyOtheFarm - Pig
15. @genny - Hunger (The Basket of Bread)
8. @BeautifulBritishColumbia - Silverfish
17. @WildZoo - Babou the Cat
25. @StartingoverVet - Galacidalacidesoxyribonucleicacid
5. @SummerTheLynx - Creeper
6. @Jilary - Lightning
16. @Kam325 - The Eye
1. @allyphoe - Swans Reflecting Elephants
11. @Abney - Cow
4. @LetItSnow - Ender Dragon/The Disintegration of the Persistence of Memory
9. @kcoughli - Rabbit
12. @morninqlory - Morphological Echo
 
Yes I could PM with Dy in the Nethers. I was not converted.

In case I die overnight I'm going to share this now: dyachei told me that PBC is her partner.

I don't know what to make of this.
 
heyyimhayley said:
Yes I could PM with Dy in the Nethers. I was not converted.

In case I die overnight I'm going to share this now: dyachei told me that PBC is her partner.

I don't know what to make of this.
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Why would she tell you that if it was true? She'd be handing you a wolf and helping her side lose the game. It's not true. I'm village now, and I have been village all along.
 
heyyimhayley said:
Yes I could PM with Dy in the Nethers. I was not converted.

In case I die overnight I'm going to share this now: dyachei told me that PBC is her partner.

I don't know what to make of this.
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I mean, if we lynch wrong tomorrow I'm pretty sure we're toast. So unfortunately this isn't the kind of information we can just "test".
We need a solid reason to believe it's true and the word of a wolf isn't great. Could go either way really.
 
I know who the protector is, and they're still alive. KC gave me that info and if I was a wolf I would have acted on it.
 
Um, I never vouched for dy. I actually never had time to get on to say I could see dy's role being wolf or villager, but if villager could help. That was about all I was willing to say about dy but never had the chance too. The rest of the convo that day was just discussion about when lynch votes should or shouldn't happen/when to defend.

So, no, I never did vouch for dy.

If I make it a point to jump on and strongly vouch for someone especially after I voiced suspicion, I probably have good reason to do that, which clearly was the case here. I'm game for lynching anyone and everyone on today's mq lynch.
 
DVMDream said:
If I make it a point to jump on and strongly vouch for someone especially after I voiced suspicion, I probably have good reason to do that, which clearly was the case here. I'm game for lynching anyone and everyone on today's mq lynch.
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Yeah... you popped in, suggested we not lynch MQ, and then disappeared.

Which sure, you have a life and I get that but am I supposed to apologize for not blindly believing in that? Further information about MQ didn't come out until 40 minutes to lynch which is a terrible amount of time in which to make a new decision after she spent the entire day acting sketchy by trying to throw suspicion on pretty much anyone who was her (me, PBC, promo, and deva).

Go ahead and lynch me. It won't net you a wolf but we're probably going to lose anyways. As long as you don't claim you're doing it because you don't know anything about me, because at this point you absolutely do.
 
DVMDream said:
Um, I never vouched for dy. I actually never had time to get on to say I could see dy's role being wolf or villager, but if villager could help. That was about all I was willing to say about dy but never had the chance too. The rest of the convo that day was just discussion about when lynch votes should or shouldn't happen/when to defend.

So, no, I never did vouch for dy.

If I make it a point to jump on and strongly vouch for someone especially after I voiced suspicion, I probably have good reason to do that, which clearly was the case here. I'm game for lynching anyone and everyone on today's mq lynch.
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Sorry. I will check back to see what actually was said. I remember Dy claiming a vouch from you, and maybe I interpreted it as confirmed since it wasn't denied.
 
finnickthedog said:
Yeah... you popped in, suggested we not lynch MQ, and then disappeared.

Which sure, you have a life and I get that but am I supposed to apologize for not blindly believing in that? Further information about MQ didn't come out until 40 minutes to lynch which is a terrible amount of time in which to make a new decision after she spent the entire day acting sketchy by trying to throw suspicion on pretty much anyone who was her (me, PBC, promo, and deva).

Go ahead and lynch me. It won't net you a wolf but we're probably going to lose anyways. As long as you don't claim you're doing it because you don't know anything about me, because at this point you absolutely do.
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Unless you revealed more about yourself after I "disappeared" aka said I wouldn't be back, because work....no, I don't. Only info I know about you is that you have a passive ability which, I will repeat, is an easy claim to make as a wolf. I'll have to read if there is anything more than that since I last posted.

And 40 minutes is long enough to lynch anyone other than the person who can find info. Heck, I'd have been a better lynch, not a wolf but at least we aren't losing the info source. There had been plenty of very last minute bandwagon vote changes in this game that I'm not buying the BS of 40 minutes isn't enough time. We've switched in 5 before, so don't give me that.
 
Promethean said:
Sorry. I will check back to see what actually was said. I remember Dy claiming a vouch from you, and maybe I interpreted it as confirmed since it wasn't denied.
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Yeah, I never had the chance to really vouch or not or even explain my thoughts, she was lynched before I could get back on.
 
finnickthedog said:
Yeah... you popped in, suggested we not lynch MQ, and then disappeared.

Which sure, you have a life and I get that but am I supposed to apologize for not blindly believing in that? Further information about MQ didn't come out until 40 minutes to lynch which is a terrible amount of time in which to make a new decision after she spent the entire day acting sketchy by trying to throw suspicion on pretty much anyone who was her (me, PBC, promo, and deva).

Go ahead and lynch me. It won't net you a wolf but we're probably going to lose anyways. As long as you don't claim you're doing it because you don't know anything about me, because at this point you absolutely do.
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Oh and I suggested we not lynch her twice, after someone asked me why, I further explained, so it wasn't like I popped on said don't do it then disappeared and said nothing more. I expanded upon my reasons.
 
DVMDream said:
Unless you revealed more about yourself after I "disappeared" aka said I wouldn't be back, because work....no, I don't. Only info I know about you is that you have a passive ability which, I will repeat, is an easy claim to make as a wolf. I'll have to read if there is anything more than that since I last posted.

And 40 minutes is long enough to lynch anyone other than the person who can find info. Heck, I'd have been a better lynch, not a wolf but at least we aren't losing the info source. There had been plenty of very last minute bandwagon vote changes in this game that I'm not buying the BS of 40 minutes isn't enough time. We've switched in 5 before, so don't give me that.
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I did reveal my role name and ability on the thread so if you read through, you'll find it.

She revealed at 40 minutes to lynch. I didn't come back until 20 minutes to lynch and I was on my phone at the time because this is the time of day when I walk my dogs. That's nothing new. So great, I had 20 minutes to process her role reveal and try to decide on an alternate candidate that other people would also get on board with. It didn't happen. I wish I'd had more time to think/talk about it. Would have been nice if MQ had said more sooner. Your vouch alone wasn't particularly strong from my perspective, especially because even in hindsight I still think she acted strange today.

It sucks that MQ was a villager but I'm not making any apologies for where my vote was. I did the best I could with what information I had.
 
On re-reading the mafiascum article about Innocent Child, I don't actually see anything mentioned about it being a role that can't be converted. There is a lot of talk of variations, including one that is lynchproof, but there is no actual statement about any variants that are unconvertable.

The only thing is the statement "Obviously, Innocent Child is always Town." But I don't read that to mean that there is an absolute ban on corrupting them... just that it doesn't ever make sense to start that role off as Wolf or Chaos. If your power is that you can have the mods verify your alignment, you'd never use that power as one of those other roles.

So, Crayola remains a possible convert candidate... and in my mind, that possibility is greater because of the attempt to claim unconvertability when there is no basis for that claim.
 
Promethean said:
On re-reading the mafiascum article about Innocent Child, I don't actually see anything mentioned about it being a role that can't be converted. There is a lot of talk of variations, including one that is lynchproof, but there is no actual statement about any variants that are unconvertable.

The only thing is the statement "Obviously, Innocent Child is always Town." But I don't read that to mean that there is an absolute ban on corrupting them... just that it doesn't ever make sense to start that role off as Wolf or Chaos. If your power is that you can have the mods verify your alignment, you'd never use that power as one of those other roles.

So, Crayola remains a possible convert candidate... and in my mind, that possibility is greater because of the attempt to claim unconvertability when there is no basis for that claim.
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Crayola is definitely someone else I've had in mind. However, isn't there info that we have one more original wolf or am I not recalling that info correctly.
 
DVMDream said:
Crayola is definitely someone else I've had in mind. However, isn't there info that we have one more original wolf or am I not recalling that info correctly.
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We had 2 wolves in the game after genny.

The wolves had one traditional conversion opportunity.

There were two total conversion opportunity (including the above).

So I guess, it's possible they used their conversion early in the game which would leave us with no originals, but I don't think that sound likely. Genny died on what, day 3? That seems early to have used a conversion. So yes, it's assumed we have a remaining original.
 
Hmm. I'm thinking of the "nontraditional" conversion opportunities.

1) That was a reference to WZ converting from neutral to village.
2) That was a reference to LIS coming back as a wolf rather than town.
3) Maybe something *did* happen to Hayley in the nether with the wolf. (Coming back with the "wolf-vouch" for PBC was kinda strange. If that is Dy trying to play us some more from the beyond, that is some persistent wolfing right there.)
4) Something we haven't stumbled upon yet.

The first two of those are heartening, since that lessens the number of wolves that we have to deal with.

As for early vs late conversion... it isn't impossible that conversion might have happened when Genny was lost. I know we've given Nyanko a lot of cred for breaking that tie... maybe the wolves valued that cred enough to make that change right away.

When *exactly* was that question asked?
 
Promethean said:
Hmm. I'm thinking of the "nontraditional" conversion opportunities.

1) That was a reference to WZ converting from neutral to village.
2) That was a reference to LIS coming back as a wolf rather than town.
3) Maybe something *did* happen to Hayley in the nether with the wolf. (Coming back with the "wolf-vouch" for PBC was kinda strange. If that is Dy trying to play us some more from the beyond, that is some persistent wolfing right there.)
4) Something we haven't stumbled upon yet.

The first two of those are heartening, since that lessens the number of wolves that we have to deal with.

As for early vs late conversion... it isn't impossible that conversion might have happened when Genny was lost. I know we've given Nyanko a lot of cred for breaking that tie... maybe the wolves valued that cred enough to make that change right away.

When *exactly* was that question asked?
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You can cross out the first one. Double check on the wording of PBC's question but I'm pretty sure "wolf" conversion was specified so neutral to village wouldn't fit.

According to PBC the "hat" kind of apologized for not answering with "two" when I asked because it was only thinking of traditional conversions. Which indicates to me that the conversion had to be non-traditional enough for the mods to forget about it... which is why I thought the LIS situation would fit if Deva was a villager.

It would be easy for the mods to think "well the wolves only have one chance to convert someone" and forget about the villager who could unknowingly convert someone to being a wolf for one cycle. One, because the converter is a villager and two, because the wolf only lives for a cycle. It just seems to fit.

Will have to go back and check when the "how many wolves" question was asked. I just know it was after shortly after genny.
 
It would have to be pretty darn shortly after. But, if that means that there were only the 2 original wolves who were intended to pick their 3rd via conversion (and maybe get PBC if she'd howled at a wolf before I found her.. we don't know that it would have worked that way, but it might have done.) Those would account for 4 wolves, plus the possibility of a conversion through resurrection. That comes to a total of 5 potential wolves over the course of the game, which is a lot.

The same scenario starting with 3 originals... well, that means that there could potentially have been as many as 5-6 over the course of the game. Plus chaos, plus neutrals... that is a LOT going on.

I think it is very possible that we did just have the 2 originals. When Genny went down, that would have left just the one. If I were that one, I'd convert someone ASAP.
 
The thermometer of success is merely the jealousy of the malcontents.​

The man awoke this morning with a painful gasp, clutching at his side. Up and down his left his ribs felt like they were aflame, with every breath in and out causing new stabs of pain. He forced himself to take slow, long breaths and pushed back on the sensation until it eventually dulled. What the hell?

He had slept fitfully all night, dreaming of a twisted, almost human figure in the dark, and a hulking, rumbling shape that rushed at him with a roar when he approached.

Nobody has died.

It is now Day 9. Lynch will close at 9PM EST.

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OVERWORLD
10. @PrincessButterCup
7. @heyyimhayley
13. @DVMDream
14. @nyanko
22. @finnickthedog
19. @Crayola227
3. @Promethean
24. @Devastating

NPC: @Ceke2002

THE NETHER
Collapsed.

THE END
20. @hazelmoo - Enderman
2. @Zensing - Mooshroom
18. @Mad Jack - Dream Caused by the Flight of a Bee Around a Pomegranate a Second Before Wakening
21. @LadyOtheFarm - Pig
15. @genny - Hunger (The Basket of Bread)
8. @BeautifulBritishColumbia - Silverfish
17. @WildZoo - Babou the Cat
25. @StartingoverVet - Galacidalacidesoxyribonucleicacid
5. @SummerTheLynx - Creeper
6. @Jilary - Lightning
16. @Kam325 - The Eye
1. @allyphoe - Swans Reflecting Elephants
11. @Abney - Cow
3. @dyachei - Fear (Ghast)
4. @LetItSnow - Ender Dragon/The Disintegration of the Persistence of Memory
9. @kcoughli - Rabbit
12. @morninqlory - Morphological Echo
 
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Regarding when the existence of 2 wolves was confirmed... it was end of day 3 which at the time I took to mean right after genny was lynched.

But when I had the shoe hat, I thought I just had the day cycle to ask a question so I'm not sure how that would have worked and WZ isn't here to ask.

We could ask the shoe hat how many wolves are left now... unless there is different information that we need more. Thoughts?
 
finnickthedog said:
Regarding when the existence of 2 wolves was confirmed... it was end of day 3 which at the time I took to mean right after genny was lynched.

But when I had the shoe hat, I thought I just had the day cycle to ask a question so I'm not sure how that would have worked and WZ isn't here to ask.

We could ask the shoe hat how many wolves are left now... unless there is different information that we need more. Thoughts?
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That seems reasonable to me. It seems like something worth knowing.

What a strange night! At least we didn't lose anyone else. Anyone have any report of trouble?

Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk
 
Promethean said:
On re-reading the mafiascum article about Innocent Child, I don't actually see anything mentioned about it being a role that can't be converted. There is a lot of talk of variations, including one that is lynchproof, but there is no actual statement about any variants that are unconvertable.

The only thing is the statement "Obviously, Innocent Child is always Town." But I don't read that to mean that there is an absolute ban on corrupting them... just that it doesn't ever make sense to start that role off as Wolf or Chaos. If your power is that you can have the mods verify your alignment, you'd never use that power as one of those other roles.

So, Crayola remains a possible convert candidate... and in my mind, that possibility is greater because of the attempt to claim unconvertability when there is no basis for that claim.
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I justified saying I wouldn't think it would be a convertible role because that seems like a waste of a mechanic. I don't know if that's how Trilt runs things.

-If I was a wolf I wouldn't convert me. I would be worried that I was inconvertible and therefore an attempt to convert would be wasted, if their # of attempts at conversion are limited; or it would be a waste of a night assuming one action per night. For this reason I think Trilt making me inconvertible would be a more interesting mechanic. Or maybe she didn't because then it makes my one time mod verification more precious.

-When someone is converted wolf, do they retain their powers? If so, if I was a wolf I would not convert me, I'd pick someone with a more useful ability. Like Nyanko, who is the "items master" or something, yet hasn't been a night kill? Unless someone is blocking for them, or they have some sort of wolf kill immunity, or the wolves aren't touching them to make them suspicious and get lynched, I'm at a loss for why they are still alive.

-I have no cool powers as the Innocent Child unless you think that Trilt added some to make it interesting. You now for a fact that I was village at least at the time of my verification. So if I had special powers before then, I would have used them for village, yet no one has vouched for me because I've had little interaction with anyone because I don't have special powers.

-My PM partners keep dying. That would be dumb for a wolf for many reasons. One, it cuts you off from gathering intel, because intel trickles down as the nights go by and trust is built. So setting yourself up with a new PM partner all the time would be an annoying thing to do to yourself as a wolf. Wolves need intel too. Two, then people think you found out they had a cool ability and then killed them. You'd have to go back and figure out how useful my PM partners were, I never talked to them much and don't recall. Anyway, this is my 2nd WW game but I don't think it's good wolf behavior.

- I'm inexperienced. If I were a wolf I wouldn't convert me because I'd be worried that it would be a waste of a conversion because my lack of experience increases the odds I don't play at being a wolf well and get myself killed or blow their cover somehow. JDH almost didn't let me play his game because as he put is "inexperienced players can really douche it up if they make the wrong decision" or something like that if you want to read the WW sign up thread.

-People have been trying to lynch me from the start for reasons that escape me. If I was wolf with limited convert powers (which we know from the hat) I wouldn't want to convert someone who's practically got a lynch target on their back to begin with. In fact, I should be grateful you guys have been at my back since day 1, it's probably discouraged conversion.

-The only way my logic breaks down, is if a wolf thought of all of the above reasons I'm a crap convert and converted me anyway. And then if you think that me as a wolf, thought of all of the above and is purposefully acting like the dumbest wolf ever to use that as an excuse to say, hey, I'm not a wolf, well ****, you can be as paranoid as you like and imagine anyone is playing a chess game in their head to use reverse reverse psychology.

It would be a helluva gamble for a wolf to convert me given the mob, and a helluva gamble to act like a dumb obvious wolf so people don't think you're a wolf when you point this out.

All I can do is this appeal to logic to say hey, don't lynch me.

I told you why I suspect Nyanko. Sure, having useful powers also makes you look like an attractive wolf conversion target (which ironically makes someone a bad wolf conversion target), and I can see why a wolf wouldn't convert someone like that because then the continued life of such a player looks suspicious. But it also makes people hesitate to lynch you. So instead, people go for lynching people that seem expendable (like me), or stay up all night and sleep all day and look all "suspicious." So overall, is Nyanko such a bad conversion target? They're probably better than me.

Also something I've picked up now, is that smart wolves go to trouble to make you think they're useful to the village. They win your trust by having good intel that checks out. By earning "vouches" this way. Smart wolves don't just lay low with little intel like I have, because everyone thinks that's suspicious.

So is Nyanko a smart wolf? We've already been tricked by a "useful villager" that just turned out to be a wolf. So I don't know. Why am I picking out Nyanko over others that might be a wolf? Cuz they led the bandwagon on me from the start, and initially had no good reasons and hasn't let up. I've learned that they say wolves won't lead bandwagons because it's suspicious, but I've also heard they like to create distractions.

Just some thoughts.
 
nyanko said:
Tell me why I shouldn't lynch Deva or Promo again?
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Promo readily lynched dy before she was a sure thing when we were doing last minute switching. I don't think it's likely a wolf would do that.

As for Deva... that's resting on the idea of a non-traditional conversion and her being a villager (at least originally) is the only explanation I've come up with.
 
I haven't heard much from @heyyimhayley or @Devastating

I don't say that to make anyone paranoid. Just nice to hear from everyone.

I know I myself was quieter earlier, with life BS. The group is small enough now for me to keep track of names. It really is hard when you don't know anyone.

Also, my only intel has been the thread, so we've reached a point of enough data in threadwhere I have more ideas I guess.

Anyway, starting to get a read on who's left except for those two. Which I don't take to be wolfy on its own. The truth is you can't use talking or not talking to tell if there's a wolf. You just have to go from what you see in thread or PM.

I'm going to sleep for many hours. When is lynch deadline? I will set my alarm to wake an hour beforehand.
 
finnickthedog said:
I have the shoe hat and I'm really not remotely confident in my decisions.
So does anyone else have thoughts on the question? Is it reasonable to ask how many wolves are left or is that a waste of a question? What do we need the most?
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We need to confirm how many wolves are left. I'd ask that.
 
Crayola227 said:
I haven't heard much from @heyyimhayley or @Devastating

I don't say that to make anyone paranoid. Just nice to hear from everyone.

I know I myself was quieter earlier, with life BS. The group is small enough now for me to keep track of names. It really is hard when you don't know anyone.

Also, my only intel has been the thread, so we've reached a point of enough data in threadwhere I have more ideas I guess.

Anyway, starting to get a read on who's left except for those two. Which I don't take to be wolfy on its own. The truth is you can't use talking or not talking to tell if there's a wolf. You just have to go from what you see in thread or PM.

I'm going to sleep for many hours. When is lynch deadline? I will set my alarm to wake an hour beforehand.
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I trust both of them to be non-original. Along with Promo, you, me.

That leaves DVMD, Ny, or Fin to be an original, in my reasoning. If Ny really was attacked and protected last night then that leaves DVMD and Fin.
 
PrincessButterCup said:
I trust both of them to be non-original. Along with Promo, you, me.

That leaves DVMD, Ny, or Fin to be an original, in my reasoning. If Ny really was attacked and protected last night then that leaves DVMD and Fin.
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I could see pointing fingers at me as a convert since I've been very wrong two days in a row... but does my ability really sound original wolf to you?

Also, if Nyanko is village then DVMD probably is as well because as I said, she was item verified "innocent". The item was made by Ny so it's probably accurate unless Ny intentionally sent out a bogus item.
 
PrincessButterCup said:
Ability and role mean nothing in this game.
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I disagree. We believed this at the beginning of the game but role clearly has meant something. Our wolves were things like hunger and fear. Our chaos was lightning. They have been distinct and don't appear to be assigned at random as was suggested.
 
Also, two wolves confirmed. So one original, one convert.

I will say in regards to Ny... I've reviewed my PM with her and in hindsight I find it odd that she messaged me and asked what the item she sent me did. As the person who created it, wouldn't she know?
 
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