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Minnerbelle said:
What school are they graduating from?

Cause I know a bunch of people who have graduated from a bunch of different vet schools, and I don't know a single person who only has had 1 spay (Nevermind didn't do the whole thing part). I don't think that's normal.

There are certainly some people who only have a few surgeries, but I think that's also a minority of people. Majority of people I know were motivated enough to have at least a dozen surgeries prior to graduation.
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The graduates I've spoken to are from UF, Ross, SGU, UCD, and UTK. You're definitely right though. The opportunity for multiple surgeries is out there. People just have to be motivated enough and interested enough to take it. The graduate I spoke to from UCD said her experience was typical of her classmates. I know for UF there are plenty of opportunities for additional surgeries but not everyone takes advantage of it.
 
There are a lot of opportunities at utk. On community practice, on ortho they actually took us to a shelter and we did about 3-5 each, and on soft tissue surgery we did all the mass removals and declaws at minimum. I definitely actually assisted on several surgeries as well.

On farm animals we did the castrations and I spayed half a pig in addition to doing all the suturing. It's all what you make of it
 
Third year I did spays, neuters, gastrotomy, gastropexy, jejunotomy, jejunal resection and anastamosis, splenectomy, liver biopsy. I think that covers it. I might have missed a procedure or two.

Surgery experience outside of that, I got some on equine ambulatory and food animal. Otherwise, you have to set up externships to get surgery experience.
 
We get a guaranteed dog spay/neuter second year, and most likely a cat spay/neuter or two in our 3rd year surgery class. You do a couple more surgeries on GP if you take it, maybe an enucleation on ophtho, misc stuff elsewhere. I'd bet the average person graduates with 8-10ish surgeries under their belt from the curriculum. Thankfully there are other opportunities on externships...
 
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The graduates I've spoken to are from UF, Ross, SGU, UCD, and UTK. You're definitely right though. The opportunity for multiple surgeries is out there. People just have to be motivated enough and interested enough to take it. The graduate I spoke to from UCD said her experience was typical of her classmates. I know for UF there are plenty of opportunities for additional surgeries but not everyone takes advantage of it.
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Well Ross and SGU don't really count because they don't do their clinical year there. It's really a matter of where they spend heir clinical year. I'm pretty sure UCD actually has one of the better programs where their students can perform different types of solo surgeries during their community practice rotation. And unless things have changed, during their 3rd year surgery training I'm pretty sure all students do a dog neuter as well as a cat and dog spay. @nyanko?

I dunno about utk or uf, but i have a feeling whoever you heard those comments from are exaggerating or you misheard what they were saying. I mean, does anyone else here 4th year and beyond know people who are graduating with 1 spay or less as their sole surgical experience?

I know someone from Michigan (pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly) who interviewed at my job who said she only had 3 spays and that's all she's done, and it was hard to find experience. But I dunno how much was actually that the system there actually prevented her from getting experience, vs poor luck, vs lack of motivation. This definitely happens, and I think there's a good group of graduates each year in this category. It's fine if your goal isn't practice right after school, but it certainly does affect your chances at employment unless you have a very open minded employer.

There was a thread a while back about terminal surgeries where vet students at the time explained their surgical curriculum at their respective schools.
 
If I had known where I'd end up, I would have scheduled externships to get myself more surgery experience prior to graduation. I finished with 1 dog spay, 1 dog neuter, 2 cat neuters and 4 cat spays, helping remove a fellow student's dog's spleen with a zapper tool and doing the small lipoma myself while we were there. That was within our school, no externships. However, there were students who got less depending on the rotation's surgical case load, the weather (snow days hit the year after ours really hard), etc.

I wasn't asked how much surgical experience I had by any of my SA GP interviewers.
 
Minnerbelle said:
Well Ross and SGU don't really count because they don't do their clinical year there. It's really a matter of where they spend heir clinical year. I'm pretty sure UCD actually has one of the better programs where their students can perform different types of solo surgeries during their community practice rotation. And unless things have changed, during their 3rd year surgery training I'm pretty sure all students do a dog neuter as well as a cat and dog spay. @nyanko?

I dunno about utk or uf, but i have a feeling whoever you heard those comments from are exaggerating or you misheard what they were saying. I mean, does anyone else here 4th year and beyond know people who are graduating with 1 spay or less as their sole surgical experience?

I know someone from Michigan (pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly) who interviewed at my job who said she only had 3 spays and that's all she's done, and it was hard to find experience. But I dunno how much was actually that the system there actually prevented her from getting experience, vs poor luck, vs lack of motivation. This definitely happens, and I think there's a good group of graduates each year in this category. It's fine if your goal isn't practice right after school, but it certainly does affect your chances at employment unless you have a very open minded employer.

There was a thread a while back about terminal surgeries where vet students at the time explained their surgical curriculum at their respective schools.
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Think I'm going to start looking for areas to do that given what you've said. I'm still practicing on blood draws but I do know there are some opportunities 2nd and 3rd year before clinics.
 
Minnerbelle said:
I dunno about utk or uf, but i have a feeling whoever you heard those comments from are exaggerating or you misheard what they were saying. I mean, does anyone else here 4th year and beyond know people who are graduating with 1 spay or less as their sole surgical experience?
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Nope, I really don't. Plus vet school is what you make of it. So if you aren't getting enough surgical experience, do an externship with a shelter that lets you get that experience.
 
Pugsforlove2014 said:
Think I'm going to start looking for areas to do that given what you've said. I'm still practicing on blood draws but I do know there are some opportunities 2nd and 3rd year before clinics.
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The more experience the better, but no real rush! Other than a couple cat neuters and junior surgery curriculum, I didn't have any surgical experience until 4th year. I was sad that I didn't get a spot at humane alliance (boo). But even then, I had 100+ solo surgeries throughout 4th year. About 80 of them being spay/neuter and 20 or so various other procedures mostly on electives.

As for surgery rotation itself, I had two rotation mates who were gunning to become surgeons, so I just let them scrub in on the fancy surgeries I had no interest in. But I made sure I was the student scrubbed in for things I might do, like the FB, the mast cell tumor removals and splenectomies and such. For these boring ole surgeries, there really weren't a ton of other people scrubbed in. Just me and the resident usually, so it was pretty good experience. The couple of hemilams and ophtho surgeries I had to scrub in on were torture. Spinal surgery, I essentially had the bulby squirter and dripped saline in the surgical field I couldn't see for a long time... esp when it was the newbie resident that took forever.
 
that redhead said:
I wasn't asked how much surgical experience I had by any of my SA GP interviewers.
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Huh, I was asked by pretty much everyone I interviewed with. I was specifically not given the job for one position because I didn't have enough dental experience (which was ****ty, because I probably had more dental experience than like 90+% of graduates... essentially he came to the conclusion that he was not going to hire a new grad). A couple commented about "the other new grads" they interviewed who only had a few to a handful of surgeries, and how that was unacceptable. Honestly didn't get good vibes from those two either way and wouldn't have worked for them as I really didn't want to work for people who were going to be ranting about 'new grads these days' in my face all the time. But surgical competency def was a consideration. But then again, I may have interviewed with people interested in new grads with strong surgical skills since I emphasized it on my resume/cover letter so I could very well have a polling bias.
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
I proceeded to ask the girl the 2 questions you're legally allowed to ask regarding service dogs. She answered the first "He's for anxiety." That gave it away immediately, emotional support animals are not service animals. She answered the second question, "Well, ummm, nothing yet, but he's starting training this week." I said to her, "Mam, I'm asking you respectfully to please leave, you cannot have this dog in public. He was quite aggressive towards my dog. I'd like to talk to you outside the class for a second if you don't mind."

I made sure the situation was under control, went outside less than 10 seconds later, and she had bolted. It's really sad, because the dog clearly had fake service gear on, and according to other people in the class, she had just rescued this dog a week before and told some people "He doesn't really do well around other people and animals." Well then wtf is he doing in public? Really sad how people take advantage of the system; laws surrounding service animals need to be tightened down.
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This entire situation has been an absolute ****storm for our college administrators where I work. My senior year here (two years ago), one girl had one cat in a designated dorm. Went through the whole process of getting the animal verified (doctor's note then going through our counselor) and then decided it was too much work to take care of it and took the cat back home. Like, seriously?! Now there are 54 therapy/service animals allowed on campus with the vast majority being therapy animals and a decent chunk of the kids try to take advantage of the rules on the regular. People have been trying to take them between the dorms and such and then argue with me that they're allowed to until I drop the RD bomb and tell them that I know they aren't allowed anywhere but in their room or outside on a leash.

I really wish that therapy animals would be regulated the same way service animals are. That would make it a lot more fair to the people who follow the rules and skim off the people who are faking it (which can be flat dangerous as your situation showed). I'm waiting for someone's therapy animal to escape and cause a huge issue, like someone getting bit.
 
Minnerbelle said:
Well Ross and SGU don't really count because they don't do their clinical year there. It's really a matter of where they spend heir clinical year. I'm pretty sure UCD actually has one of the better programs where their students can perform different types of solo surgeries during their community practice rotation. And unless things have changed, during their 3rd year surgery training I'm pretty sure all students do a dog neuter as well as a cat and dog spay. @nyanko?

I dunno about utk or uf, but i have a feeling whoever you heard those comments from are exaggerating or you misheard what they were saying. I mean, does anyone else here 4th year and beyond know people who are graduating with 1 spay or less as their sole surgical experience?

I know someone from Michigan (pretty sure I'm remembering that correctly) who interviewed at my job who said she only had 3 spays and that's all she's done, and it was hard to find experience. But I dunno how much was actually that the system there actually prevented her from getting experience, vs poor luck, vs lack of motivation. This definitely happens, and I think there's a good group of graduates each year in this category. It's fine if your goal isn't practice right after school, but it certainly does affect your chances at employment unless you have a very open minded employer.

There was a thread a while back about terminal surgeries where vet students at the time explained their surgical curriculum at their respective schools.
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I suppose it's possible here to only have the one due to some issues going on with scheduling here. When I was on Soft Tissue, they took us to one of the shelters and we did a spay/neuter through our Community Practice program. However I don't think these are happening right this moment for reasons I've only heard bits and pieces about. Supposedly it's supposed to be started back up again, but I'm not sure if and when that's going to happen.

However, most people I know have volunteered elsewhere for additional procedures. I have at least 100 solo spays/neuters myself with a few other miscellaneous procedures thrown in (dewclaw removal, aural hematoma, umbilical hernia, cryptorchid...so nothing crazy). I wish I could have done some more GI related ones outside of wet labs and assisting but I'm hoping to go back to the one shelter I externed at and maybe get some in there since they do a number of those pretty regularly.
 
2 rants today! I'm so lucky!

1st rant: Spay/neuter surgeries are finally here (this is not the rant part)! After the new curriculum changes pushed it from spring 2nd year to fall 3rd year I feel like I've been waiting forever to finally get to do some surgery on a live animal (aside from what I managed to do this summer). Patient assignments were posted on Monday. I happily walked up to the sheet, found my group's box, and my heart dropped when I saw, instead of a patient name and the room they were housed in, "See Dr. A". Immediately went up to his office, interrupted his lunch, and got the story. The foster of the cat we were supposed to spay "couldn't get her in the carrier" so they decided to just not show up. Panic sets in, but Dr. A assures me they won't have a problem getting us a patient and since we're part of the group scheduled to do surgery on Wednesday, don't worry.

Fast forward to today, we still have no patient, we are running out of time (we're supposed to have bloodwork done and drug protocols written up the night before), I am supposed to work tonight, and the school hasn't been able to find anyone and asked us to help try to find a patient. I am freaking out and pretty well convinced that at this point we're just going to get shafted a surgery, meaning half my group won't even GET to do a surgery (since it's split up into surgeons/anesthetists who then switch roles for the second round of surgeries in December). I am so disheartened right now.

2nd rant: I moved in with my SO at the end of August, bringing my cat and my dog to his house (where he already had 2 cats and a dog). I noticed right away that one of his cats was losing fur (like prior to my moving in). It has continued to get worse, with almost no fur on the insides of her hindlegs, the ventral portion of her tail, her abdomen, and now her front legs and outside of her hindlegs are missing patches. His cats also went through a bout of diarrhea, vomiting, and inappetence about a month ago, which for that he took them in to his vet (though he refused bloodwork and a fecal... wtf dude) and put them on I/D for awhile until they were eating and defecating normally again. Since then however, the fur loss cat had lost a lot of weight, and hasn't been putting it back on. She's also acting as though she's always starving when previously she was the cat who would leave some of her kibble behind because she would stop eating when she was full. I convinced him to start feeding her more food (up to 1/2-5/8 C a day when before she wasn't even finishing off 3/8 C), am switching her to a higher quality diet (Hills ie what my cat eats vs. Meow Mix), and I went out and bought a Feliway diffuser thinking if it was stress grooming maybe it would help calm her down. She is not getting better, still has the patches of hair loss that are growing, still acts as though she's starving, and still hasn't put on enough weight. This weekend I told him he should take her to the vet and he agreed and promised to call on Monday. Today, we had lunch together, and I reminded him to call the vet since he forgot yesterday. He looks at me and goes "well I don't want to waste a morning going to the vet plus all the money of the exam and you know they'll want to do bloodwork before I'm sure there's anything wrong with her." I straight up wanted to punch him in the face. He makes 6 figures, he just dropped $100 on FISH this weekend, he regularly buys hundreds of dollars worth of board games, computer parts, and video games, and he doesn't want to waste the time or the money on his cat?!?! His favorite of his 2 cats might I add! And I'm in freaking vet school! He should know better than to say that ****!! AAAAAAAGH!!
 
kcoughli said:
2nd rant: I moved in with my SO at the end of August, bringing my cat and my dog to his house (where he already had 2 cats and a dog). I noticed right away that one of his cats was losing fur (like prior to my moving in). It has continued to get worse, with almost no fur on the insides of her hindlegs, the ventral portion of her tail, her abdomen, and now her front legs and outside of her hindlegs are missing patches. His cats also went through a bout of diarrhea, vomiting, and inappetence about a month ago, which for that he took them in to his vet (though he refused bloodwork and a fecal... wtf dude) and put them on I/D for awhile until they were eating and defecating normally again. Since then however, the fur loss cat had lost a lot of weight, and hasn't been putting it back on. She's also acting as though she's always starving when previously she was the cat who would leave some of her kibble behind because she would stop eating when she was full. I convinced him to start feeding her more food (up to 1/2-5/8 C a day when before she wasn't even finishing off 3/8 C), am switching her to a higher quality diet (Hills ie what my cat eats vs. Meow Mix), and I went out and bought a Feliway diffuser thinking if it was stress grooming maybe it would help calm her down. She is not getting better, still has the patches of hair loss that are growing, still acts as though she's starving, and still hasn't put on enough weight. This weekend I told him he should take her to the vet and he agreed and promised to call on Monday. Today, we had lunch together, and I reminded him to call the vet since he forgot yesterday. He looks at me and goes "well I don't want to waste a morning going to the vet plus all the money of the exam and you know they'll want to do bloodwork before I'm sure there's anything wrong with her." I straight up wanted to punch him in the face. He makes 6 figures, he just dropped $100 on FISH this weekend, he regularly buys hundreds of dollars worth of board games, computer parts, and video games, and he doesn't want to waste the time or the money on his cat?!?! His favorite of his 2 cats might I add! And I'm in freaking vet school! He should know better than to say that ****!! AAAAAAAGH!!
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Yup, you should have punched him.
 
Firstly, shame on you SDN, I left some low hanging fruit for you all and no one caught it
wheelin2vetmed said:
Walked into class today...
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batsenecal said:
This entire situation has been an absolute ****storm for our college administrators where I work. My senior year here (two years ago), one girl had one cat in a designated dorm. Went through the whole process of getting the animal verified (doctor's note then going through our counselor) and then decided it was too much work to take care of it and took the cat back home. Like, seriously?! Now there are 54 therapy/service animals allowed on campus with the vast majority being therapy animals and a decent chunk of the kids try to take advantage of the rules on the regular. People have been trying to take them between the dorms and such and then argue with me that they're allowed to until I drop the RD bomb and tell them that I know they aren't allowed anywhere but in their room or outside on a leash.

I really wish that therapy animals would be regulated the same way service animals are. That would make it a lot more fair to the people who follow the rules and skim off the people who are faking it (which can be flat dangerous as your situation showed). I'm waiting for someone's therapy animal to escape and cause a huge issue, like someone getting bit.
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Here's the thing: nothing is regulated efficiently. A service dog is defined under the ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) as "...a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability." That's it. The general public has no idea about the definitions and now has combined service, therapy, and emotional support animals into one and just calls them all "service dogs;" it's wrong. A Therapy Dog is specially trained to go to facilities like hospitals and rehabilitation facilities to visit patients. Therapy dog's aren't service dogs either.

What makes the problem even worse are these "organizations" and fly-by-night operations that people buy into that provide pretty little registration cards and vest packages and promise to officially register your dog as a service animal. Some even charge $20 a year to keep everything up to date and "official." All of it is a scam. Licenses aren't necessary, neither is a vest.

Combine those 2 main points with the fact that no one bothers to question anyone when they see a dog and a vest seals the deal. By no means am I saying it's only able-bodied people, disabled folks take advantage of it too. My school has a very large disability program, and there's one guy in particular who rolls around campus with a little Pomeranian on his lap flaunting a shiny little service vest. Especially if you're clearly disabled, no one will question you.

All pets are emotional support animals, that's the beauty of these creatures. But now, when everyone goes to their doctor to get an official signed document saying they're disabled with "anxiety" so they can have their pet in their apartment, or so they can travel with it on their lap, and then turn around and bring it into public because it's a "service animal," that's the problem.

I'm by no means trying to be a service dog nazi, but every pet dog I see in public with a vest that misbehaves and clearly can't be controlled by their handler makes the situation worse and discounts the thousands of hours, legitimate training, and amazing work that goes into molding a wonderful service dog. Being intimately involved with true service dog organizations makes it a little more irritating as well.

People need to be fined, more heavily then they would if they hung their Grandma's handicap placard on their rear-view mirror.
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
Firstly, shame on you SDN, I left some low hanging fruit for you all and no one caught it 😛



Here's the thing: nothing is regulated efficiently. A service dog is defined under the ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) as "...a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability." That's it. The general public has no idea about the definitions and now has combined service, therapy, and emotional support animals into one and just calls them all "service dogs;" it's wrong. A Therapy Dog is specially trained to go to facilities like hospitals and rehabilitation facilities to visit patients. Therapy dog's aren't service dogs either.

What makes the problem even worse are these "organizations" and fly-by-night operations that people buy into that provide pretty little registration cards and vest packages and promise to officially register your dog as a service animal. Some even charge $20 a year to keep everything up to date and "official." All of it is a scam. Licenses aren't necessary, neither is a vest.

Combine those 2 main points with the fact that no one bothers to question anyone when they see a dog and a vest seals the deal. By no means am I saying it's only able-bodied people, disabled folks take advantage of it too. My school has a very large disability program, and there's one guy in particular who rolls around campus with a little Pomeranian on his lap flaunting a shiny little service vest. Especially if you're clearly disabled, no one will question you.

All pets are emotional support animals, that's the beauty of these creatures. But now, when everyone goes to their doctor to get an official signed document saying they're disabled with "anxiety" so they can have their pet in their apartment, or so they can travel with it on their lap, and then turn around and bring it into public because it's a "service animal," that's the problem.

I'm by no means trying to be a service dog nazi, but every pet dog I see in public with a vest that misbehaves and clearly can't be controlled by their handler makes the situation worse and discounts the thousands of hours, legitimate training, and amazing work that goes into molding a wonderful service dog. Being intimately involved with true service dog organizations makes it a little more irritating as well.
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I caught the "walked in" but I didn't know how fine the line was between mean and funny...
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
every pet dog I see in public with a vest that misbehaves and clearly can't be controlled by their handler makes the situation worse and discounts the thousands of hours, legitimate training, and amazing work that goes into molding a wonderful service dog....People need to be fined, more heavily then they would if they hung their Grandma's handicap placard on their rear-view mirror.
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I totally agree.
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
Here's the thing: nothing is regulated efficiently. A service dog is defined under the ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) as "...a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability." That's it. The general public has no idea about the definitions and now has combined service, therapy, and emotional support animals into one and just calls them all "service dogs;" it's wrong. A Therapy Dog is specially trained to go to facilities like hospitals and rehabilitation facilities to visit patients. Therapy dog's aren't service dogs either.

What makes the problem even worse are these "organizations" and fly-by-night operations that people buy into that provide pretty little registration cards and vest packages and promise to officially register your dog as a service animal. Some even charge $20 a year to keep everything up to date and "official." All of it is a scam. Licenses aren't necessary, neither is a vest.

Combine those 2 main points with the fact that no one bothers to question anyone when they see a dog and a vest seals the deal. By no means am I saying it's only able-bodied people, disabled folks take advantage of it too. My school has a very large disability program, and there's one guy in particular who rolls around campus with a little Pomeranian on his lap flaunting a shiny little service vest. Especially if you're clearly disabled, no one will question you.

All pets are emotional support animals, that's the beauty of these creatures. But now, when everyone goes to their doctor to get an official signed document saying they're disabled with "anxiety" so they can have their pet in their apartment, or so they can travel with it on their lap, and then turn around and bring it into public because it's a "service animal," that's the problem.

I'm by no means trying to be a service dog nazi, but every pet dog I see in public with a vest that misbehaves and clearly can't be controlled by their handler makes the situation worse and discounts the thousands of hours, legitimate training, and amazing work that goes into molding a wonderful service dog. Being intimately involved with true service dog organizations makes it a little more irritating as well.

People need to be fined, more heavily then they would if they hung their Grandma's handicap placard on their rear-view mirror.
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I totally agree with everything you've said here. I'm glad that I can legally ask the two questions to make sure that the animals coming through my door actually belong here. I can actually turn away anyone that's not on the list the school sends me unless it is an actual service dog. But therapy dogs? If you ain't on my list, you ain't coming in my building. Period. End of story. University of Nebraska--Kearney just won a lawsuit against them over a therapy animal situation in which they told the student that they had to get rid of the animal because it was disruptive to the residence hall; obviously they got sued. But they won because the animal isn't a legitimate service animal. So now my school is fashioning all of our policies after the UNK policies. We apparently can also be more stringent on who is allowed to get a therapy animal. They'll need a better diagnosis than simple anxiety, in other words. Not sure how it's all going to turn out, but the hope for the end is to skim off the fakers and allow the students who really need animals actually have them.

Training should be a requirement for service or therapy animals period. Training class certification of a certain level so that the animal is controlled in public and not a danger to those around it. And obviously, it should be trained in the purpose it is meant for. I love the idea of fining people that don't follow the rules. We do that for other instances; why not this?
 
Why can 'tPhilly have grocery stores where the lay out makes sense and that aren't a huge cluster**** when you walk into them? I may legitimately start going into the burbs. I'm fine with the one by Mr for quick things but normally drive to greys ferry for Path Mark which I just found out is closing in 10 days and therefore has nothing that I needed.
 
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orca2011 said:
Why can Philly have grocery stores where the lay out makes sense and that aren't a huge cluster**** when you walk into them? I may legitimately start going into the burbs. I'm fine with the one by Mr for quick things but normally drive to greys ferry for Path Mark which I just found out is closing in 10 days and therefore has nothing that I needed.
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Yeah I was not a fan of the ones close to the vet school campus.... I have heard delivery is probably your best option, right @brightimpressio ? 😛
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Yeah I was not a fan of the ones close to the vet school campus.... I have heard delivery is probably your best option, right @brightimpressio ? 😛
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I did delivery when I was abroad, however I really have an issue with it when it comes to produce. I'm one that needs to examine my apples closely to make sure they look like they're crunchy. And grapes too. Normally, I don't venture to this particular grocery store and today was an exact reminder of why I don't. Path Mark was relatively normal but now it's closing.
 
Minnerbelle said:
I dunno about utk or uf, but i have a feeling whoever you heard those comments from are exaggerating or you misheard what they were saying. I mean, does anyone else here 4th year and beyond know people who are graduating with 1 spay or less as their sole surgical experience
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Yeah, I know at least 3 off the top of my head. Not all from my school. I agree that if you look for the experience it's out there, but you shouldn't count on the school to make you get it or to provide it.
 
I just found out today that my car sustained over 9k in damages from hitting a stupid deer and my insurance company came very close to totaling it. 🙁 While they have agreed to the repairs, it will be 3 weeks before I get my car back. I almost wonder if it would be better if it was totaled.
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
For what it's worth, he has some interesting hobbies. Fluorescent in situ hybridization is not the cheapest to run, the DNA probes are quite expensive 😀
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I tried a guppy genetics home experiment once... I got some really cool guppies but then I felt bad for all the babies who got eaten or sucked up into my very weak tank filter. I ended up keeping the really pretty ones and giving the rest away. I like to think that they all lived happily ever after :shy:
On a more related note, I don't think I could ever spend that much on fresh water fish. But I do want a salt water aquarium one day and from what I hear, it is very easy to drop hundreds of dollars on new salt water creatures!
 
orca2011 said:
Why can 'tPhilly have grocery stores where the lay out makes sense and that aren't a huge cluster**** when you walk into them? I may legitimately start going into the burbs. I'm fine with the one by Mr for quick things but normally drive to greys ferry for Path Mark which I just found out is closing in 10 days and therefore has nothing that I needed.
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I get so mad when I can't find things in the store, and I can think of the exact shelf and location it would be on in grenada. If I can find it in a third world country, it should not be a challenge to locate it in its country of origin!!
 
Jilary said:
I just found out today that my car sustained over 9k in damages from hitting a stupid deer and my insurance company came very close to totaling it. 🙁 While they have agreed to the repairs, it will be 3 weeks before I get my car back. I almost wonder if it would be better if it was totaled.
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hazelmoo said:
I tried a guppy genetics home experiment once... I got some really cool guppies but then I felt bad for all the babies who got eaten or sucked up into my very weak tank filter. I ended up keeping the really pretty ones and giving the rest away. I like to think that they all lived happily ever after :shy:
On a more related note, I don't think I could ever spend that much on fresh water fish. But I do want a salt water aquarium one day and from what I hear, it is very easy to drop hundreds of dollars on new salt water creatures!
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That was obviously a failed attempt at a nerdy recombinant DNA technique joke. She capitalized FISH, hence my fluorescent in situ hybridization reference. Fail.

WildZoo said:
Dammit I had the quote saved for when I got to the end of the thread, why'd you have to ruin it?? :rage:
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I'm always a step ahead of you. Always.
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
That was obviously a failed attempt at a nerdy recombinant DNA technique joke. She capitalized FISH, hence my fluorescent in situ hybridization reference. Fail.
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Shhh it's ok, I got it 😉
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
For what it's worth, he has some interesting hobbies. Fluorescent in situ hybridization is not the cheapest to run, the DNA probes are quite expensive 😀
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wheelin2vetmed said:
That was obviously a failed attempt at a nerdy recombinant DNA technique joke. She capitalized FISH, hence my fluorescent in situ hybridization reference. Fail.



I'm always a step ahead of you. Always.
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OBVIOUSLY.

Never worked with fluorescent in situ hybridization... But I did have a good enzyme linked immunosorb assay joke when my friend revealed that she was naming her baby girl Elisa at her baby shower this past weekend 😉
 
Rwwilliams said:
The graduates I've spoken to are from UF, Ross, SGU, UCD, and UTK. You're definitely right though. The opportunity for multiple surgeries is out there. People just have to be motivated enough and interested enough to take it. The graduate I spoke to from UCD said her experience was typical of her classmates. I know for UF there are plenty of opportunities for additional surgeries but not everyone takes advantage of it.
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At UTK, we have junior surgery lab second year where we do a spay
/neuter. 3rd year there is a spay/neuter elective. 4th year you have 3 surgery days with community practice where you do a spay/neuter. There's a spay/neuter elective rotation and a shelter med rotation. On soft tissue and ortho there are days where they go and do spays/neuters if they are slow.

On equine surgery, I did a large neck laceration repair and my classmates did castrations under general anesthesia.

There are lots of opportunities, and its about impossible to graduate without having done 3-4 surgeries.
 
Ohio State: shelter med rotation where you do 20+ routine surgeries (in addition to your junior spay/neuter).
 
Minnerbelle said:
Well Ross and SGU don't really count because they don't do their clinical year there. It's really a matter of where they spend heir clinical year. I'm pretty sure UCD actually has one of the better programs where their students can perform different types of solo surgeries during their community practice rotation. And unless things have changed, during their 3rd year surgery training I'm pretty sure all students do a dog neuter as well as a cat and dog spay. @nyanko?
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Yeah during 3rd year surgery each of us did a cat spay, a dog spay and a dog neuter. We were in groups of 3 (or 2) and each person in the group was surgeon, assistant and anesthetist once for each separate procedure (no assistant for the people in groups of 2). And then during community surgery 4th year, which as a small animal tracking student I had for 4 weeks total, we did at least 2 (cat or dog) spays and at least 2 dog neuters per week, plus a cat neuter or two on Friday. Plus we did other procedures like amputations, cystotomies, FHO, enucleations, mass removals, etc. And the other great thing about Davis is that we had no general rotating interns, so stuff the ECC residents were sick of doing (laceration repairs mainly) we got to do. And I got to do joint and thoracic and abdominal taps because again, the residents were sick of them and we had no interns queuing up in front of us.

edit: of course in my rotating internship I did enough thoracocentesis and lac repairs to be set for the rest of my life thanks.
 
wheelin2vetmed said:
For what it's worth, he has some interesting hobbies. Fluorescent in situ hybridization is not the cheapest to run, the DNA probes are quite expensive 😀
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I got this reference! I don't know for sure, but I almost feel like $100 for FISH sounds like a good price given the exorbitant price of other lab based tests and materials. 😊
 
xTineTH said:
I got this reference! I don't know for sure, but I almost feel like $100 for FISH sounds like a good price given the exorbitant price of other lab based tests and materials. 😊
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Those ova all lit up with 3+ colors? Yeah those are several thousand dollar easter eggs. Then there are the cryotypes where each chrome is a different color, those are too expensive to run really anymore. One of the labels is very, very rare too.
 
We had a dog get attacked at our facility yesterday by another dog who was also boarding with us. They were in the separate yards on the side of the building (with a 10 foot fence in between them) and one was able to scale the fence and attack the other dog while outside. We have it all on video, of course rushed the dog into surgery to fix all his bite wounds, and he's going to be fine, but still completely awful. Not that I would wish it on a mean dog, but of course it has to happen to one of the sweetest dogs that comes in regularly. And of course the client is going back and forth between needing the video footage for her lawyer and thanking us for taking such good care of her baby. We had a contractor out first thing this morning to check the fences and are raising them even higher! Life's not fair sometimes!
 
VetToBe585 said:
We had a dog get attacked at our facility yesterday by another dog who was also boarding with us. They were in the separate yards on the side of the building (with a 10 foot fence in between them) and one was able to scale the fence and attack the other dog while outside. We have it all on video, of course rushed the dog into surgery to fix all his bite wounds, and he's going to be fine, but still completely awful. Not that I would wish it on a mean dog, but of course it has to happen to one of the sweetest dogs that comes in regularly. And of course the client is going back and forth between needing the video footage for her lawyer and thanking us for taking such good care of her baby. We had a contractor out first thing this morning to check the fences and are raising them even higher! Life's not fair sometimes!
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No matter what boarding place you're at, there's going to be some dog on dog problems, unfortunately. 🙁 . I worked at a boarding place for my last job and we had a dog attack happen on my watch and it scared the crap out of me. I thought the Husky was a lot worse off than he was and that I was going to lose my job. Bad day all the way around. Hope everything works out for you guys!
 
VetToBe585 said:
We had a dog get attacked at our facility yesterday by another dog who was also boarding with us. They were in the separate yards on the side of the building (with a 10 foot fence in between them) and one was able to scale the fence and attack the other dog while outside. We have it all on video, of course rushed the dog into surgery to fix all his bite wounds, and he's going to be fine, but still completely awful. Not that I would wish it on a mean dog, but of course it has to happen to one of the sweetest dogs that comes in regularly. And of course the client is going back and forth between needing the video footage for her lawyer and thanking us for taking such good care of her baby. We had a contractor out first thing this morning to check the fences and are raising them even higher! Life's not fair sometimes!
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Sounds like putting roofs on those runs would be better than just raising the wall between them. There's no telling how far up some dogs will climb, but a ceiling will stop every single one.
 
My pets always seem to find ways to injure themselves or get sick in ways that pertain to the classes I'm currently taking. This time my GSD gets to come to school with me in the morning...
 
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