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I'm honestly sketched out of urgent care at this point. I haven't heard any good stories except one for a straight forward eagle talon situation

I had okay experiences with urgent care when I was in school.

This is my first terrible experience with one.

They also did not ask if I could be pregnant which is the first time I've ever gone to the doctor and not been asked. I'm not--but they're supposed to ask.
 
I'm honestly sketched out of urgent care at this point. I haven't heard any good stories except one for a straight forward eagle talon situation
I love my local urgent care. I’ve seen them for cat bites, and for Covid. They’ve been great about listening to what I want. When I got a new NP who didn’t know the answer to something I asked, she actually checked into it right away. And they’ve been great about fitting me in asap with the bites.
 
Urgent care in Chambana was halfway decent 😂
I went once first year for a raging sinus infection from my allergies and then twice for my back in jan of 21 and 22. Was not a fan of the $150 pregnancy test before they gave me a ketorolac shot in 2021🙃
The one on Neil is where I took our mutual slightly neurotic cat lady friend for her eagle talon injury. That was a good experience!
 
The one on Neil is where I took our mutual slightly neurotic cat lady friend for her eagle talon injury. That was a good experience!
I have not been to that one! I do recall her injury though 😂😂
I went to the carle urgent care at the hospital both times for my back in case I ended up needing more than UC could provide and needed to go to er since I’d just have to go to a different spot in the building and for my sinus infection went to the Christie one on Windsor by my apartment and had a lovely NP or PA (idk man it was 2018).
 
My IMHA dog is already relapsing! She spent a week at UIUC VTH in February and only finished her med taper last month. Very very greatful her primary care vet could get her in today, but man does this suck. I was prepared that she could relapse, but this was so quick.

Hopeful she won't have to go back to in-patient because we got her in the day after noticing her major symptoms (not eating and pale gums). But it took her a few days to respond to pred when she was inpatient, and cyclosporine is expensive as heck.

Also had to run one of my rabbits to the vet today for urine matting on her bum! That was at least scheduled, but zoologic companion visits aren't cheap. It looks like I'll be spending like $700 between the two of them today.

Update: It ended up being $600 meds included which I count as a win.

Dog has managed to go from ~40% PCV to ~19% in A MONTH. We're basically restarting her med course, which really sucks. We don't need to use cyclosporine this time though, which is also a win. Hopefully we caught this early enough that we don't need to do inpatient again.
 
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My IMHA dog is already relapsing! She spent a week at UIUC VTH in February and only finished her med taper last month. Very very greatful her primary care vet could get her in today, but man does this suck. I was prepared that she could relapse, but this was so quick.

Hopeful she won't have to go back to in-patient because we got her in the day after noticing her major symptoms (not eating and pale gums). But it took her a few days to respond to pred when she was inpatient, and cyclosporine is expensive as heck.

Also had to run one of my rabbits to the vet today for urine matting on her bum! That was at least scheduled, but zoologic companion visits aren't cheap. It looks like I'll be spending like $700 between the two of them today.

Update: It ended up being $600 meds included which I count as a win.

Dog has managed to go from ~40% PCV to ~19% in A MONTH. We're basically restarting her med course, which really sucks. We don't need to use cyclosporine this time though, which is also a win. Hopefully we caught this early enough that we don't need to do inpatient again.

Not medical advice but curious if they added melatonin to her med regimen?
 
Not medical advice but curious if they added melatonin to her med regimen?
No. Right now we're on Prednisone and Clopidigrel, possibly for the rest of her (hopefully long) life, a short course of Doxy because of an unexplained fever, and once the pharmacy fills it another immunosuppressive med. I forget the name atm.

What's up with melatonin? I'd be curious to dig into it a little bit myself.
 
No. Right now we're on Prednisone and Clopidigrel, possibly for the rest of her (hopefully long) life, a short course of Doxy because of an unexplained fever, and once the pharmacy fills it another immunosuppressive med. I forget the name atm.

What's up with melatonin? I'd be curious to dig into it a little bit myself.
There’s a lot of research being done into melatonin as an anti-relapse medication in immune-mediated disorders like IMHA and ITP. I read a lot about it on VIN when I had a tough IMHA case and added it on too all of my immune-mediated cases thereafter to overall good results. A lot of local IM specialists were starting to do the same. Just something to look into and ask her vets about.
 
Not taking any of that as medical advice, but I need to call over today to give an update on her temp. I may as well being it up then. It's obviously hard on her and if it won't interact poorly with anything she is on, we might add it on.

If it wasn't obvious before, this has been my entry into vet med as a possible career. I feel like I've run the gauntlet on the client side and would really like to give back.
 
Does anyone else's school have the 4th year students on random rotations serving as backup every night for the ICU?
Luckily I haven't been called in personally while on backup, but I've heard from other students that have been called in at 3am to do treatments for ICU patients without even taking on a case and then have to go into their regular rotation at 7am. So just like, assistant/tech stuff. Just wondering how this compares to other schools.
 
Does anyone else's school have the 4th year students on random rotations serving as backup every night for the ICU?
Luckily I haven't been called in personally while on backup, but I've heard from other students that have been called in at 3am to do treatments for ICU patients without even taking on a case and then have to go into their regular rotation at 7am. So just like, assistant/tech stuff. Just wondering how this compares to other schools.
YEP.
It was thankfully pretty rare to get called in but we had on call students that could be called in for either ER or ICU. We used to have ISO on call too for parvo puppies where you had to do hourly treatments but that went away for my class. Prior to my class people would more frequently get called in for bull**** like doing laundry 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃 now techs need to get doctor permission to call a student in because either 2020 or 2021 revolted about having to do laundry in the middle of the night.
 
Does anyone else's school have the 4th year students on random rotations serving as backup every night for the ICU?
Luckily I haven't been called in personally while on backup, but I've heard from other students that have been called in at 3am to do treatments for ICU patients without even taking on a case and then have to go into their regular rotation at 7am. So just like, assistant/tech stuff. Just wondering how this compares to other schools.

Yup, we were on call during numerous rotations. In surgery you were on call for surgical emergencies. On IM, ophtho, derm, I can't even recall all the rotations, they split the on call duties for ER/ICU among all the students on a variety of rotations. Then had 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th on call. You weren't on call every night, and you weren't always 1st on call. It was split fairly well. I got called in a few times to help keep up with ICU treatments because ER was slammed. Yeah not my favorite.

There was also on call for radiology where you could get called in overnight or on the weekend to help take radiographs. I was told this really never happens because the ER just sends those on ER rotation to do it as that's quicker than calling someone in. The on call was also split among all the radiology students so again maybe on call 2-3 days of the 14 day rotation. Yeah that whole "that doesn't happen" equals 100% will happen to me, I got called in twice.
 
now techs need to get doctor permission to call a student in because either 2020 or 2021 revolted about having to do laundry in the middle of the night.
It was a combined effort and the revolt of 2019 is what got things really rolling. My one parvo shift was flat trash. Thankfully never called in for ICU, but I heard of someone that was called in for ICU almost every shift she was primary on call.
 
It was a combined effort and the revolt of 2019 is what got things really rolling. My one parvo shift was flat trash. Thankfully never called in for ICU, but I heard of someone that was called in for ICU almost every shift she was primary on call.
I heard my class rep got called multiple times and was one of the few people who actually did get called ever for ER/ICU help💀😂
 
Hi all--how to politely communicate to an admissions officer that their calculation was incorrect?
I completed 3 semesters (1.5 yr) at one school (FA18, SP19, FA19) and 5 semesters (2.5 yr) at another (SP20, FA20, SP21, FA21, SP22), graduating college after 4 years (2018-2022) in 8 semesters. The officer showed their work and I saw the confusion regarding FA19 - FA18 = 1 year, plus SP22 - SP20 = 2 years, totaling to 3 years.
They did their math based on my official transcript dates. I am about to email back with a 4x2 table tabulating the semesters completed and the schools. I want to avoid condescension at all costs while clarifying my academic records, so I don't plan on calling them. Is there a better way to continue this conversation?
 
Hi all--how to politely communicate to an admissions officer that their calculation was incorrect?
I completed 3 semesters (1.5 yr) at one school (FA18, SP19, FA19) and 5 semesters (2.5 yr) at another (SP20, FA20, SP21, FA21, SP22), graduating college after 4 years (2018-2022) in 8 semesters. The officer showed their work and I saw the confusion regarding FA19 - FA18 = 1 year, plus SP22 - SP20 = 2 years, totaling to 3 years.
They did their math based on my official transcript dates. I am about to email back with a 4x2 table tabulating the semesters completed and the schools. I want to avoid condescension at all costs while clarifying my academic records, so I don't plan on calling them. Is there a better way to continue this conversation?
I guess I'm confused at what exactly you're trying to get at-is the miscalculation youre trying to point out just the number of years?Are they showing all of your course work and have all the grades correct? If they're showing all your courses and GPA correctly I'm not sure pointing out the official dates vs how you're calculating dates matter all that much? Especially if the school has a particular way of calculation they follow. Just trying to better understand your situation.
 
I guess I'm confused at what exactly you're trying to get at-is the miscalculation youre trying to point out just the number of years?Are they showing all of your course work and have all the grades correct? If they're showing all your courses and GPA correctly I'm not sure pointing out the official dates vs how you're calculating dates matter all that much? Especially if the school has a particular way of calculation they follow. Just trying to better understand your situation.
One way for international applicants to demonstrate English proficiency is to document 4 years of post-secondary education at an English-speaking institution. I can't move forward in the application cycle with no proof of English proficiency. Thank you for asking. My relevant test scores have expired.
 
One way for international applicants to demonstrate English proficiency is to document 4 years of post-secondary education at an English-speaking institution. I can't move forward in the application cycle with no proof of English proficiency. Thank you for asking. My relevant test scores have expired.
Well, you could email them, asking to confirm that you meet the English proficiency requirement through your 4 years (8 semesters) of post-secondary education. They'll either correct their calculation and confirm that you do, or they'll tell you that you don't meet the requirement.
 
Well, you could email them, asking to confirm that you meet the English proficiency requirement through your 4 years (8 semesters) of post-secondary education. They'll either correct their calculation and confirm that you do, or they'll tell you that you don't meet the requirement.
Thank you for the input, everyone!
 
Does anyone else's school have the 4th year students on random rotations serving as backup every night for the ICU?
Luckily I haven't been called in personally while on backup, but I've heard from other students that have been called in at 3am to do treatments for ICU patients without even taking on a case and then have to go into their regular rotation at 7am. So just like, assistant/tech stuff. Just wondering how this compares to other schools.
Yes. Although students weren't on call, they are just straight up assigned to help overnight and on weekends and had to show up. Sometimes one or both get sent home early, but not always.
 
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It's pretty common for vet schools to use students as extra labor and label it as a 'learning experience' - where, you know, maybe it could be, but also maybe it's just making them sit in a room and answer the after hours phone, type up SOAPs and release instructions for the ICU interns, do random ICU stuff, do all the evening large animal care up to midnight... all while having to come in nice and early the next day. At least the rotation specific things sort of make sense, even if it's really obvious when equine surgery has you come in to assist with induction, stand there quietly in the corner for the 2-3hr surgery, and then spend 2 hours cleaning the OR. Very educational.
... Prior to my class people would more frequently get called in for bull**** like doing laundry 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃 now techs need to get doctor permission to call a student in because either 2020 or 2021 revolted about having to do laundry in the middle of the night.
This is extra special though. I might have burned the building down. I would have probably failed, since the walls are literally metal, but - oh, the rage.
 
My rant today is that I was 22 years old when I strolled through the metaphorical front doors of this forum. TWENTY TWO. Lord have mercy.

I have earned the right to bitch about students doing scut work and be generally curmudgeon-y after my 14 years and 8 months of watching this cycle over and over. Some of you could reasonably have been kindergartners when I joined.

I probably don't even post enough for people to know who I am still!! I just lurk around all creepy like.

Phewwww

You guys will get old someday too lol
 
My rant today is that I was 22 years old when I strolled through the metaphorical front doors of this forum. TWENTY TWO. Lord have mercy.

I have earned the right to bitch about students doing scut work and be generally curmudgeon-y after my 14 years and 8 months of watching this cycle over and over. Some of you could reasonably have been kindergartners when I joined.

I probably don't even post enough for people to know who I am still!! I just lurk around all creepy like.

Phewwww

You guys will get old someday too lol
Thanks, for making me go check how old I was when I joined and making me realize how old I have become as well. I don't even understand parts of the application process anymore, there have been too many changes since I applied.

(I was 21 by the way).
 
Thanks, for making me go check how old I was when I joined and making me realize how old I have become as well. I don't even understand parts of the application process anymore, there have been too many changes since I applied.

(I was 21 by the way).
hi I was 17. :oldman:
 
My rant today is that I was 22 years old when I strolled through the metaphorical front doors of this forum. TWENTY TWO. Lord have mercy.

I have earned the right to bitch about students doing scut work and be generally curmudgeon-y after my 14 years and 8 months of watching this cycle over and over. Some of you could reasonably have been kindergartners when I joined.

I probably don't even post enough for people to know who I am still!! I just lurk around all creepy like.

Phewwww

You guys will get old someday too lol
Lol who would have thought you’d become the curmudgeon-y one back then. The sickeningly sweet one 😵

Now you had me curious. I was 24! And that was 13 years and 2 months ago!!! I feel like I graduated college yesterday, and am kinda shocked to be mid-career. Nothing exciting in the horizon, just kinda cruising. It’s weird.
 
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I am here to RAGE.

I didn’t get presale access to Taylor Swift and got waitlisted. Tickets were supposed to go on sale tomorrow morning. AND THIS AFTERNOON TICKETMASTER AND THEIR ****TY MONOPOLY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE CANCELLING THE GENERAL PUBLIC SALE BECAUSE THERE ISNT ENOUGH INVENTORY TO MEET DEMAND.
HOW. HOW. HOW THE **** DO YOU **** UP THAT BADLY WHEN ONLY SOMETHING LIKE 15% OF TICKETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED DURING PRESALES.
Anyway, I’m pissed and would like to burn down the Ticketmaster offices.
 
I am here to RAGE.

I didn’t get presale access to Taylor Swift and got waitlisted. Tickets were supposed to go on sale tomorrow morning. AND THIS AFTERNOON TICKETMASTER AND THEIR ****TY MONOPOLY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE CANCELLING THE GENERAL PUBLIC SALE BECAUSE THERE ISNT ENOUGH INVENTORY TO MEET DEMAND.
HOW. HOW. HOW THE **** DO YOU **** UP THAT BADLY WHEN ONLY SOMETHING LIKE 15% OF TICKETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED DURING PRESALES.
Anyway, I’m pissed and would like to burn down the Ticketmaster offices.
With how much additional fees they put on tickets, they know they can do whatever they want and we’ll just go along with it.
 
I am here to RAGE.

I didn’t get presale access to Taylor Swift and got waitlisted. Tickets were supposed to go on sale tomorrow morning. AND THIS AFTERNOON TICKETMASTER AND THEIR ****TY MONOPOLY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE CANCELLING THE GENERAL PUBLIC SALE BECAUSE THERE ISNT ENOUGH INVENTORY TO MEET DEMAND.
HOW. HOW. HOW THE **** DO YOU **** UP THAT BADLY WHEN ONLY SOMETHING LIKE 15% OF TICKETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED DURING PRESALES.
Anyway, I’m pissed and would like to burn down the Ticketmaster offices.

 
I can't decide if I should keep my part-time job or not. I'm doing well in classes, so it's not like it's interfering with my academics too much. And I really appreciate the extra money I'm able to make. But all of my classmates are getting a week off for Thanksgiving, and I'm having to work most of the break. If I enjoyed the work more it would be different, but I spend most of my shift cleaning things that aren't even dirty just for a lack of anything to do. It just feels like a waste of time that I could be spending studying, or actually having more free time for myself. I usually only see people cautioning against working in vet school because it will be too much to manage with classes, and since I'm not having any problems there, I don't know if boredom is really a valid reason to quit. And I've already decided I want to get my own place next year, so I'll be paying double in rent, not sure if it's a good idea to give up my only source of income. It's not as big of a deal when it's just one day a week, but having to work more than once a week is so hard to get through.
 
I don't know if boredom is really a valid reason to quit
I personally would see about finding another job if possible and then quitting. As a student, boredom is absolutely a reason to quit because you could spend that time relaxing and decompressing instead. This goes double if you're at your in state school.

There are plenty of miserable things during vet school. Don't spend your spare time being bored.
 
I personally would see about finding another job if possible and then quitting. As a student, boredom is absolutely a reason to quit because you could spend that time relaxing and decompressing instead. This goes double if you're at your in state school.

There are plenty of miserable things during vet school. Don't spend your spare time being bored.
Thanks for the advice. I'm debating between finding another position or just not working for now. I worry I would have similar problems at other student positions here, it's hard to know without actually working them. I like the extra spending money I get from working, but I'm not sure if it's worth it... it would be so nice to have that extra day off!
 
Thanks for the advice. I'm debating between finding another position or just not working for now. I worry I would have similar problems at other student positions here, it's hard to know without actually working them. I like the extra spending money I get from working, but I'm not sure if it's worth it... it would be so nice to have that extra day off!
Fully support the unemployed vet student life as well!
 
I can't decide if I should keep my part-time job or not. I'm doing well in classes, so it's not like it's interfering with my academics too much. And I really appreciate the extra money I'm able to make. But all of my classmates are getting a week off for Thanksgiving, and I'm having to work most of the break. If I enjoyed the work more it would be different, but I spend most of my shift cleaning things that aren't even dirty just for a lack of anything to do. It just feels like a waste of time that I could be spending studying, or actually having more free time for myself. I usually only see people cautioning against working in vet school because it will be too much to manage with classes, and since I'm not having any problems there, I don't know if boredom is really a valid reason to quit. And I've already decided I want to get my own place next year, so I'll be paying double in rent, not sure if it's a good idea to give up my only source of income. It's not as big of a deal when it's just one day a week, but having to work more than once a week is so hard to get through.
I had boring jobs my 2nd/3rd year of vet school at the teaching hospital. Kept them because they worked with my schedule and I wanted the money. I took half of winter break off and summer as well but otherwise stayed in town. Totally personal decision to leave vs stay... you know what's more important to you.
 
So, I am trying to figure out all of my outdoor Christmas decor for the year.

I am wanting to put my lights and decorations to music again. I have a 16 channel light/music show.
I can't get on the roof to put up lights this year, so working with all lower ground/garage/etc.

I have 12 of the 16 channels figured out--
2 trees will be wrapped with lights, 1 bush, and the garage will have lights around it -- this is one set of 4
I have 4 light up characters that I had from years past- a snowman, moose, bear and fox
I purchased 4 more light up characters- another snowman (much different from the first one), a brontosaurus, a penguin and Rudolph.

So figuring out the last 4 channels-- I have these metal wreaths and gift boxes that are wrapped with tinsel that I have purchased lights to string through, I was going to use these the first year but ran out of time. I can still use these. But, it is difficult to figure out how to secure the wreaths given my stucco walls, so insert the "rant part"...

I found this really cute light up reindeer-- I was going to get 3 of them and put them in front of this cute light up sleigh with a dog in the sleigh for the last 4 channels. I was putting them all in my "cart" (online shopping) only for it to tell me the doggo in the sleigh is sold out. From my searching, it looks like it was an old item from last year, and is not coming back, I can find it on e-bay for over double the normal cost. Ugh.

And it is impossible to find a simple light up sleigh alone.
 
The discussion for adding a mid-level position to vet med has been engaged by the AVMA and it's just disappointing. Multiple states have also been inquiring and (at least in my state) the answer has been a solid "No!" If those most affected by this change are repeatedly saying this is a bad idea, why do our "leaders" continue to approach this idea?
 
The discussion for adding a mid-level position to vet med has been engaged by the AVMA and it's just disappointing. Multiple states have also been inquiring and (at least in my state) the answer has been a solid "No!" If those most affected by this change are repeatedly saying this is a bad idea, why do our "leaders" continue to approach this idea?

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The discussion for adding a mid-level position to vet med has been engaged by the AVMA and it's just disappointing. Multiple states have also been inquiring and (at least in my state) the answer has been a solid "No!" If those most affected by this change are repeatedly saying this is a bad idea, why do our "leaders" continue to approach this idea?
Is there any way to voice opposition to the idea, or is it out of our hands?
 
The discussion for adding a mid-level position to vet med has been engaged by the AVMA and it's just disappointing. Multiple states have also been inquiring and (at least in my state) the answer has been a solid "No!" If those most affected by this change are repeatedly saying this is a bad idea, why do our "leaders" continue to approach this idea?
What are the arguments against adding a mid-level position or do you have a source I could read more about it? I don't know much about what this would entail and I'm interested in how this could affect the profession.
 
What are the arguments against adding a mid-level position or do you have a source I could read more about it? I don't know much about what this would entail and I'm interested in how this could affect the profession.

*******steps on soapbox**********

Hold up, this is going to take a while, goes to get on laptop........ brb
 
Also I am vehemently against the concept and think the LMU program is basically a cash grab. In general, we have PAINFULLY underutilized staff in our technicians already - especially in general practice. Utilize them for client education, basic procedures, etc, and you can be massively more efficient.
 
Also I am vehemently against the concept and think the LMU program is basically a cash grab. In general, we have PAINFULLY underutilized staff in our technicians already - especially in general practice. Utilize them for client education, basic procedures, etc, and you can be massively more efficient.
I think I agree from what little I’ve looked up on this since I originally posted.

Question: I think I’m gathering that this will also justify/exacerbate the underpaying/lack of respect of techs that already exists. I.e providing another hurdle to techs saying “you must spend x amount of money to get this new degree in order
to make an additional $x per hour” when in reality, they should already make that?

Edit: also, what is the middle ground here? I agree that techs are underutilized. However, veterinarians are often not respected or appreciated. Getting clients to listen to the vets/respect them is already a challenge. Having clients learn from/trust/respect/even talk to techs is hard… I know in my clinic it often results in something like “I want to talk to the doctor” or “you’re not a doctor” etc etc. I don’t think most of the public knows what techs are responsible for and how much knowledge/many skills they contribute to the care of their pets. In general, to utilize techs more, how can we make the public appreciate and trust them so that this is a smooth transition?
 
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What are the arguments against adding a mid-level position or do you have a source I could read more about it? I don't know much about what this would entail and I'm interested in how this could affect the profession.

Reasons why midlevels are bad:
1. They have destroyed human medicine. Ask most MDs and DOs and they will tell you to try as best you can to avoid them.
2. Vet med is shoved into 4 years, it really could easily be double that length, we barely scratch the surface of medicine in vet med during our training. We already learn a ton of breadth with very little depth as our basic veterinary school training. There is no way to truncate this.
3. Midlevels are trained to follow flow charts more or less. If something is "off" they don't have the training/knowledge/experience to pick up on that right off.
4. Animals are masters at hiding serious medical issues, it takes a lot of training to start picking up on the more subtle cues and indications that something is very wrong. Something that can't be taught in 2 years, really hard to even teach in the current 4 years.


The education/cost issue:
1. As mentioned above how do you truncate down an already very broad veterinary education from 4 years to 2 years?
2. The education won't be that much shorter, you still have to take all the same pre-reqs, it only shaves off 2 years of vet school.
3. The cost, the current estimated cost for tuition they are suggest for veterinary mid-level courses is insane. It will still cost 150Kish to become a veterinary mid-level
4. There isn't that big of a gap between vet tech pay and DVM pay, what exactly are they planning on paying a mid-level? Will this be a salared position or an hourly position?

The biggest reasons are the finanical ones.
Coporate medicine LOVES the idea of a veterinary mid-level. Why? Money.

A veterinary mid-level will make less money than a DVM.
They can replace veterinarians with mid-levels and only have to hire a few veterinarians to "supervise" the mid-levels.
Having worked for corporate, they will 100% have mid-levels working while there are no veterinarians on premise to "superivse", they will expect you to be able to "supervise" on your day off aka "well you can review what they did when you come in the next day".
This will effectively make it so that veterinarians are pushed toward specialization because the "mid-levels" will be doing all the GP jobs and it will be harder to actually find a job as a GP veterinarian. Most veterinarians still go into vet school because they want to be GPS, they want to give vaccines, see puppies/kittens, create the life-long relationship with a client. Removing this from veterinarians will actually have more vets leaving the field.

Legal issues/things that matter as the DVM dealing with mid-levels:
1. There is currently no developed licensing for a veterinary mid-level
2. There is no currently developed liability for a veterinary mid-level, the current proposed recommendation is that the supervising DVM be responsible. That means any errors, mistakes, etc made by a veterinary mid-level would fall onto the supervising DVM. If you think practicing medicine is stressful, try being responsible for the medicine you practice AND the medicine someone else practices on an animal that you have not physically seen/touched, depending on how the corporation/clinic allows the dice to roll. Even if you are in the building you don't have time to see ALL of your patients/cases AND put hands on ALL of the mid-levels patients/cases.
3. Even in human medicine if a mid-level makes an error or causes your death your recourse is minimal you have to go after the "supervising" MD/DO even in states where mid-levels have been given autonomy to practice alone. Still doesn't matter, you have minimal to no recourse.

And finally as @Trilt stated, we have severly underutilized and underpaid our veterinary technician staff.

There is zero reason for a veterinary mid-level when we are still not utilizing our veterinary technician staff to their full abilities. Another aspect on this is the absolute zero consistency in veterinary technician licensing across the country. Also we have got to STOP hiring veterinary assistants and end "veterinary assistant" schools. Assistants are often utilized in some clinics as "on the job trained technicians" we have to become serious on that a vet tech is a very specfic position in the clinic, with schooling, licensing, etc and that we have to stop yanking high school kids off the street and plopping them into the clinic as "veterinary assistants" and pretending they are anything equivalent to a trained and licensed vet tech.

Also, there are already veterinary technician specialty licenses as well that I don't think get discussed about/utilized near as much as they should be.

I could probably keep going but I will stop here.

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