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missdarjeeling said:
So I'm taking my last pre-req at a new school, since we moved to another state. Our first exam is next week, and the professor said we need to bring our own scantron sheets.

...WTF? My $2,200 in tuition and fees isn't enough to cover some freaking scantron sheets?

In the past 12 years, I've attended two private schools and one state school, and I've worked at another state school that's actually bigger than this one and is well known for having insane bureaucracy and silly policies. I've never heard of students having to buy their own scantron sheets for class exams. Is this some kind of new cost-cutting trend or is this particular school particularly bad with the nickel-and-dime crap?
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Ours were dependent on the professor. For some classes we had to bring our own, other classes we didn't.
 
missdarjeeling said:
So I'm taking my last pre-req at a new school, since we moved to another state. Our first exam is next week, and the professor said we need to bring our own scantron sheets.

...WTF? My $2,200 in tuition and fees isn't enough to cover some freaking scantron sheets?

In the past 12 years, I've attended two private schools and one state school, and I've worked at another state school that's actually bigger than this one and is well known for having insane bureaucracy and silly policies. I've never heard of students having to buy their own scantron sheets for class exams. Is this some kind of new cost-cutting trend or is this particular school particularly bad with the nickel-and-dime crap?
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There's a few departments at my undergrad (mostly the socials sciences and liberal arts) that made us go and purchase our own bluebooks and scantrons. I thought it was just a normal thing. There's only 25 cents each here, so I never really minded that much. Our science professors usually bring them for us, though. :shrug:
 
Teachers provide scantrons?? I went to the wrong undergrad.
 
Just got an email:

"A BIG IDEA: OFFERING OF 5-YEAR CURRICULUM

We all recognize that current veterinary students go to school for the same length of time that their instructors did although there is now much, much more for them to learn. At some point, some school is going to have to offer a curriculum of longer duration. This is a draft plan to make an optional 5-year offering for students. The primary goal of this would be to give students flexibility in how they choose to progress through their training, to give them opportunities for personal management, to work while in veterinary school, or to take advantage of other career opportunities.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST AN IDEA I’M INVESTIGATING AND IS NOT SOMETHING ALREADY INTENDED BY THE COLLEGE TO BE ENACTED.

The plan is attached. Please answer the following questions. Do not worry about logistics (for example, class room space) when considering your answer. I am most interested in how each of you, personally, would have felt about this plan.

1) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if there was no increase in student debt?

2) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if you had to pay for two more semesters?

3) What in this plan enhances student well-being? What detracts from it?

4) What things are missing that would have made this attractive to you?

5) General comments:"

The beginning of the email indicates that they believe this is definitely where the profession is going, into 5 year degrees, and I almost punched my computer screen. Because after tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt we should all definitely burn another year sitting in the classroom accruing more debt and more interest on our debt instead of earning a salary. If they think there is too much material for us to learn, then they should be lobbying to change the profession into species specific degrees, not making us take 5 years to learn everything about everything. Grrr so much dislike.
 
kcoughli said:
Just got an email:

"A BIG IDEA: OFFERING OF 5-YEAR CURRICULUM

We all recognize that current veterinary students go to school for the same length of time that their instructors did although there is now much, much more for them to learn. At some point, some school is going to have to offer a curriculum of longer duration. This is a draft plan to make an optional 5-year offering for students. The primary goal of this would be to give students flexibility in how they choose to progress through their training, to give them opportunities for personal management, to work while in veterinary school, or to take advantage of other career opportunities.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST AN IDEA I’M INVESTIGATING AND IS NOT SOMETHING ALREADY INTENDED BY THE COLLEGE TO BE ENACTED.

The plan is attached. Please answer the following questions. Do not worry about logistics (for example, class room space) when considering your answer. I am most interested in how each of you, personally, would have felt about this plan.

1) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if there was no increase in student debt?

2) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if you had to pay for two more semesters?

3) What in this plan enhances student well-being? What detracts from it?

4) What things are missing that would have made this attractive to you?

5) General comments:"

The beginning of the email indicates that they believe this is definitely where the profession is going, into 5 year degrees, and I almost punched my computer screen. Because after tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt we should all definitely burn another year sitting in the classroom accruing more debt and more interest on our debt instead of earning a salary. If they think there is too much material for us to learn, then they should be lobbying to change the profession into species specific degrees, not making us take 5 years to learn everything about everything. Grrr so much dislike.
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It almost sounds like they want to offer a four year plan and a 5 year plan option. In which case, that kind of implies two accepted classes a year, doesn't it? Unless the 4 year plan students have two summers of class and the 5 year plan students have 2 additional traditional semesters?
 
kcoughli said:
Just got an email:

"A BIG IDEA: OFFERING OF 5-YEAR CURRICULUM

We all recognize that current veterinary students go to school for the same length of time that their instructors did although there is now much, much more for them to learn. At some point, some school is going to have to offer a curriculum of longer duration. This is a draft plan to make an optional 5-year offering for students. The primary goal of this would be to give students flexibility in how they choose to progress through their training, to give them opportunities for personal management, to work while in veterinary school, or to take advantage of other career opportunities.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST AN IDEA I’M INVESTIGATING AND IS NOT SOMETHING ALREADY INTENDED BY THE COLLEGE TO BE ENACTED.

The plan is attached. Please answer the following questions. Do not worry about logistics (for example, class room space) when considering your answer. I am most interested in how each of you, personally, would have felt about this plan.

1) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if there was no increase in student debt?

2) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if you had to pay for two more semesters?

3) What in this plan enhances student well-being? What detracts from it?

4) What things are missing that would have made this attractive to you?

5) General comments:"

The beginning of the email indicates that they believe this is definitely where the profession is going, into 5 year degrees, and I almost punched my computer screen. Because after tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt we should all definitely burn another year sitting in the classroom accruing more debt and more interest on our debt instead of earning a salary. If they think there is too much material for us to learn, then they should be lobbying to change the profession into species specific degrees, not making us take 5 years to learn everything about everything. Grrr so much dislike.
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I honestly wouldn't have an issue with 5 years if it didn't increase my debt (which I'm not sure how that would actually ever work. I do already have a butt load of debt that I'd like to be less scary). I think I would have a better grasp on things and would have done better over all if I wasn't constantly cramming and studying for the test and not always to learn.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
It almost sounds like they want to offer a four year plan and a 5 year plan option. In which case, that kind of implies two accepted classes a year, doesn't it? Unless the 4 year plan students have two summers of class and the 5 year plan students have 2 additional traditional semesters?
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Yeah I'm not really sure how it would work. Or how many students they're thinking in each plan or if it would just eventually all switch over to 5 years. The PDF attachment basically had two lists with the 4 year plan essentially what the curriculum is now, and the 5 year plan took out some of the classes and moved them to a later year, so essentially just less classes per semester. Whether they're thinking of adding an entirely separate class on the 5 year plan (hooray lets start graduating extra people, that won't hurt the profession at all) or splitting up the classes, I really have no idea how the logistics would work. Either way, me no likey.
orca2011 said:
I honestly wouldn't have an issue with 5 years if it didn't increase my debt (which I'm not sure how that would actually ever work. I do already have a butt load of debt that I'd like to be less scary). I think I would have a better grasp on things and would have done better over all if I wasn't constantly cramming and studying for the test and not always to learn.
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See, there's absolutely no way the school wouldn't be taking a cut of this action. We already have one of the highest in state and out of state tuitions, I cannot for a second believe that they'd just give students a "free 2 semesters" of classes. Not to mention the fact that the loans taken out for first year, second year, third year, now have an entire extra year to accrue interest.

Don't get me wrong, we had some rough semesters and at the time I'd wished they'd spread out the classes a bit more. But at the risk of an extra year not making money and instead accruing thousands of dollars in interest? No thanks. This is without even mentioning the very likely tuition add-on for that 5th year.
 
kcoughli said:
Yeah I'm not really sure how it would work. Or how many students they're thinking in each plan or if it would just eventually all switch over to 5 years. The PDF attachment basically had two lists with the 4 year plan essentially what the curriculum is now, and the 5 year plan took out some of the classes and moved them to a later year, so essentially just less classes per semester. Whether they're thinking of adding an entirely separate class on the 5 year plan (hooray lets start graduating extra people, that won't hurt the profession at all) or splitting up the classes, I really have no idea how the logistics would work. Either way, me no likey.
See, there's absolutely no way the school wouldn't be taking a cut of this action. We already have one of the highest in state and out of state tuitions, I cannot for a second believe that they'd just give students a "free 2 semesters" of classes. Not to mention the fact that the loans taken out for first year, second year, third year, now have an entire extra year to accrue interest.

Don't get me wrong, we had some rough semesters and at the time I'd wished they'd spread out the classes a bit more. But at the risk of an extra year not making money and instead accruing thousands of dollars in interest? No thanks. This is without even mentioning the very likely tuition add-on for that 5th year.
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If they could eliminate an extra year of debt like they suggest, I think it isn't a huge no-no unless it means more graduates. I've never really understood why these schools think it's just a 'right of passage' to cram info down our throats and make it so grueling. I mean, it is, but as I sit here cramming our entire first year's worth of respiratory/cardio phys (which we learned in ~2 weeks) to pass my midterm, I worry if I'll remember any of it when the time comes that I'll need to use it in three years.

You'd still have that extra year of no salary, though. I would also assume that fewer credits each year means your tuition drops. Interest is still interest, however.

Edit: Also, if they intend on adding an additional class, depending on how they arrange it....they're looking at needing to renovate your classrooms and teaching hospital just to accommodate. Our teaching hospital can barely accommodate us here with the new curriculum that puts first/second years on rotations with fourth years. There just isn't room in a hospital that was built for probably half the class size it's seeing now.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
If they could eliminate an extra year of debt like they suggest, I think it isn't a huge no-no unless it means more graduates. I've never really understood why these schools think it's just a 'right of passage' to cram info down our throats and make it so grueling. I mean, it is, but as I sit here cramming our entire first year's worth of respiratory/cardio phys (which we learned in ~2 weeks) to pass my midterm, I worry if I'll remember any of it when the time comes that I'll need to use it in three years.

You'd still have that extra year of no salary, though. I would also assume that fewer credits each year means your tuition drops. Interest is still interest, however.

Edit: Also, if they intend on adding an additional class, depending on how they arrange it....they're looking at needing to renovate your classrooms and teaching hospital just to accommodate. Our teaching hospital can barely accommodate us here with the new curriculum that puts first/second years on rotations with fourth years. There just isn't room in a hospital that was built for probably half the class size it's seeing now.
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That's true. They stated to not consider classroom and logistics but really, how would they do it without major renovations?

Honestly I also think about how little I remember from my first year classes already (and second year classes for that matter) and I don't know if it's a time factor or a stress factor. But putting another year in there might also have the detrimental effect of putting that first and second year knowledge even deeper into the pit of fading memories by the time you enter clinics/take NAVLE/graduate.

I just had such a visceral negative reaction to the entire concept that I still can't wrap my brain around it being a good idea.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
If they could eliminate an extra year of debt like they suggest, I think it isn't a huge no-no unless it means more graduates. I've never really understood why these schools think it's just a 'right of passage' to cram info down our throats and make it so grueling. I mean, it is, but as I sit here cramming our entire first year's worth of respiratory/cardio phys (which we learned in ~2 weeks) to pass my midterm, I worry if I'll remember any of it when the time comes that I'll need to use it in three years.

You'd still have that extra year of no salary, though. I would also assume that fewer credits each year means your tuition drops. Interest is still interest, however.

Edit: Also, if they intend on adding an additional class, depending on how they arrange it....they're looking at needing to renovate your classrooms and teaching hospital just to accommodate. Our teaching hospital can barely accommodate us here with the new curriculum that puts first/second years on rotations with fourth years. There just isn't room in a hospital that was built for probably half the class size it's seeing now.
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Oh also we've had varying levels of credits so far (I had a semester with 32 credits and my current semester of 16.5 credits) and seen no change in my tuition. Pretty sure it's just anything above full time = x dollars. So unless that was their idea with evening the debt load (if they've even considered how to do that yet) I can't really see how it would work.
 
kcoughli said:
That's true. They stated to not consider classroom and logistics but really, how would they do it without major renovations?

Honestly I also think about how little I remember from my first year classes already (and second year classes for that matter) and I don't know if it's a time factor or a stress factor. But putting another year in there might also have the detrimental effect of putting that first and second year knowledge even deeper into the pit of fading memories by the time you enter clinics/take NAVLE/graduate.

I just had such a visceral negative reaction to the entire concept that I still can't wrap my brain around it being a good idea.
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Yeah, that's true. Didn't look at it that way. Just as a first year now, I don't know how I'll remember this cardio stuff in 3 years. Sitting where I am, spreading it out a bit more seems like a good idea. At the same time, I feel like I've grown accustomed to the pace already.

I'm not going to pretend that I know how assigning tuition works, but charging the same for 16 credits vs. 32 seems almost illegal to me 🙄 Although I'm sure it's the same at almost every school. You don't see a $ amount per credit like you do for undergrad, just the sticker price for the entire year.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
Yeah, that's true. Didn't look at it that way. Just as a first year now, I don't know how I'll remember this cardio stuff in 3 years. Sitting where I am, spreading it out a bit more seems like a good idea. At the same time, I feel like I've grown accustomed to the pace already.

I'm not going to pretend that I know how assigning tuition works, but charging the same for 16 credits vs. 32 seems almost illegal to me 🙄 Although I'm sure it's the same at almost every school. You don't see a $ amount per credit like you do for undergrad, just the sticker price for the entire year.
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I know some of the smaller UG schools charge per credit. My BF is attending a satellite campus of one of my state schools, and they charge per credit hour, plus additional fees as needed.
 
So interesting thing that happened this morning. My phone bill payment didn't go through so naturally I lost service. It was 3 hours before I had time to fix the issue. A friend said they tried to call me and it only said "this account has been temporarily suspended" and left no chance to take a voicemail. Any texts during that time didn't get to me either. One of the vet schools I interviewed is calling acceptances as we speak and has been doing so since this morning. Omg! What if they called me... Also I tumbled down a flight of stairs today 😀
 
rockatiel said:
So interesting thing that happened this morning. My phone bill payment didn't go through so naturally I lost service. It was 3 hours before I had time to fix the issue. A friend said they tried to call me and it only said "this account has been temporarily suspended" and left no chance to take a voicemail. Any texts during that time didn't get to me either. One of the vet schools I interviewed is calling acceptances as we speak and has been doing so since this morning. Omg! What if they called me... Also I tumbled down a flight of stairs today 😀
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Is that a smile of thinly veiled anxiety? :laugh:
 
kcoughli said:
Don't get me wrong, we had some rough semesters and at the time I'd wished they'd spread out the classes a bit more. But at the risk of an extra year not making money and instead accruing thousands of dollars in interest? No thanks. This is without even mentioning the very likely tuition add-on for that 5th year.
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Oh I totally get it. I was going with the ignore the logistics part of it and saying, which is why I said if they could do it without actually increasing debt I would consider it. And I'm also coming from a school with a high IS/OOS COA, so I get it. Really. I will admit I didn't really factor in the whole accumulating interest while in school bit, which could be problematic.

I guess where I see it beneficial is not necessarily for just the classroom years, but I think it could allow clinics to be run much differently too. Maybe I could spend a month on rotations instead of the two weeks, which feel so short. I could retake more rotations...have more time to figure out if and what I want to specialize in. I do think there could be some benefit if there was any way to make it an option financially. At current prices, it definitely isn't and I wouldn't expect it to work anytime soon. I guess I just see where it could be beneficial if you ignore all the logistical/financial aspects of it.
 
orca2011 said:
Oh I totally get it. I was going with the ignore the logistics part of it and saying, which is why I said if they could do it without actually increasing debt I would consider it. And I'm also coming from a school with a high IS/OOS COA, so I get it. Really. I will admit I didn't really factor in the whole accumulating interest while in school bit, which could be problematic.

I guess where I see it beneficial is not necessarily for just the classroom years, but I think it could allow clinics to be run much differently too. Maybe I could spend a month on rotations instead of the two weeks, which feel so short. I could retake more rotations...have more time to figure out if and what I want to specialize in. I do think there could be some benefit if there was any way to make it an option financially. At current prices, it definitely isn't and I wouldn't expect it to work anytime soon. I guess I just see where it could be beneficial if you ignore all the logistical/financial aspects of it.
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With your bolded point, I think that's starting to drift into the discussion on whether or not we should have specific fields we board into or the discussion of whether or not we should do a residency like med students have to. There's a lot of ways vet med could go in being more efficient without extending our time in school.
 
batsenecal said:
With your bolded point, I think that's starting to drift into the discussion on whether or not we should have specific fields we board into or the discussion of whether or not we should do a residency like med students have to. There's a lot of ways vet med could go in being more efficient without extending our time in school.
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I 100% agree that it can get more efficient and I like the idea of taking boards for a particular species, but I still think the decision in what to board in (small animal vs large vs whatever instead of the general NAVLE) that would happen later in school. I mean, I have several classmates that have changed paths, so it would kind of suck to eliminate that option for people.

I honestly don't know if I like the forced residency option, although I guess we would have a GP option as well.
 
Jess Monster said:
That probably depends on where these people fall in terms of their college education. Freshmen and sophomores are typically the worst - especially if they attended a less academically rigorous high school that didn't stress writing and research skills. Even in grad and professional school there are people who seem to struggle with writing basics so you'll always be asking, "How do college/grad/vet students not know how to cite sources and write in complete sentences?"

Also, when it comes to group projects, some people like to pretend being incompetent to get out of doing work. I've seen that happen before.
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pinkpuppy9 said:
Yeah, it's important to remember that everyone comes from different backgrounds. We're doing peer reviews of a written assignment now, and I'm see the same stuff. Everything we need to do is spelled out for us, but people aren't doing it. Also, IMO, the ability to write is a gift to an extent. Some people just aren't good at putting their thoughts and ideas on paper. Just like how some people just aren't good at face-to-face communication.
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I understand that everyone has different backgrounds but when the assignment calls for paragraphs and other members are submitting bullet points for their part it's rather irritating. I don't really care if their writing is great as long as they get their point across, I just wish they would follow the instructions. What I'm encountering seems to be mostly out of laziness.
 
Basically 4 hours of new material today before our gigantic radiology exam on MSK tomorrow.... :barf:Not cool radiology, not cool.
 
Well, thanks to our former governor, the wonderful funding to go to undergrad we get here in Louisiana is suspended. Thank goodness this is my final semester or I'd have to quit school. We have a multimillion dollar higher Ed budget deficit and are facing up to 50% cuts and some closures. Our poor new governor is doing the best he can to save money and yet people are still saying he's at fault. Sigh. The problem is we all worked for that money. Got the grades, got the ACT score, kept the grades in college, and now it gets snatched from us because of our clown of a former governor. Can you believe he actually tried to run for president too?
 
kcoughli said:
Just got an email:

"A BIG IDEA: OFFERING OF 5-YEAR CURRICULUM

We all recognize that current veterinary students go to school for the same length of time that their instructors did although there is now much, much more for them to learn. At some point, some school is going to have to offer a curriculum of longer duration. This is a draft plan to make an optional 5-year offering for students. The primary goal of this would be to give students flexibility in how they choose to progress through their training, to give them opportunities for personal management, to work while in veterinary school, or to take advantage of other career opportunities.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST AN IDEA I’M INVESTIGATING AND IS NOT SOMETHING ALREADY INTENDED BY THE COLLEGE TO BE ENACTED.

The plan is attached. Please answer the following questions. Do not worry about logistics (for example, class room space) when considering your answer. I am most interested in how each of you, personally, would have felt about this plan.

1) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if there was no increase in student debt?

2) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if you had to pay for two more semesters?

3) What in this plan enhances student well-being? What detracts from it?

4) What things are missing that would have made this attractive to you?

5) General comments:"

The beginning of the email indicates that they believe this is definitely where the profession is going, into 5 year degrees, and I almost punched my computer screen. Because after tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt we should all definitely burn another year sitting in the classroom accruing more debt and more interest on our debt instead of earning a salary. If they think there is too much material for us to learn, then they should be lobbying to change the profession into species specific degrees, not making us take 5 years to learn everything about everything. Grrr so much dislike.
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oh **** that so hard.

Get rid of half the absolute bull**** we learn in first year, give more clinical time on the back end. No sane person could possibly think adding yet another didactic year for loan interest to grow and students not making a veterinarian's income is a good idea.
 
kcoughli said:

1) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if there was no increase in student debt?

2) Would you have considered the 5-year plan if you had to pay for two more semesters?

3) What in this plan enhances student well-being? What detracts from it?

4) What things are missing that would have made this attractive to you?

5) General comments:"
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My answers:

1. NO

2. HELL NO

3. What enhances student well-being? Nothing. What detracts from it? Having to be in veterinary school for another gorram year. 4 years is more than enough

4. Nothing, it isn't attractive.

5. Don't do it.
 
As a newbie grad, I'm glad it was only four years and now I'm working and earning a pay cheque. Stop worrying if you'll remember stuff because you're learning it so fast. Some you will, some you won't. The stuff that's relevant to your life and chosen field will come up again and again. The stuff that's not will fade into obscurity (pigs? er no, kthxbai). And nobody expects you to be a walking textbook spewing out respiratory physiology on day one of your first job. In fact if you do, the more seasoned vets at your practice will probably give you a wedgie.
 
rockatiel said:
Well, thanks to our former governor, the wonderful funding to go to undergrad we get here in Louisiana is suspended. Thank goodness this is my final semester or I'd have to quit school. We have a multimillion dollar higher Ed budget deficit and are facing up to 50% cuts and some closures. Our poor new governor is doing the best he can to save money and yet people are still saying he's at fault. Sigh. The problem is we all worked for that money. Got the grades, got the ACT score, kept the grades in college, and now it gets snatched from us because of our clown of a former governor. Can you believe he actually tried to run for president too?
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Same happened in Michigan. I took all of these tests (outside of school) and qualified for a really good renewable grant for undergrad tuition. Our last governor had to cut that funding right when I was headed to school.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
Same happened in Michigan. I took all of these tests (outside of school) and qualified for a really good renewable grant for undergrad tuition. Our last governor had to cut that funding right when I was headed to school.
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It's not cut... Yet. But the future doesn't look right for higher Ed here. At all.
 
rockatiel said:
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/02/read_gov_john_bel_edwards_tele.html

An even better look at what the education system in my state is facing. Why is Jindal not in jail?

There's even the possibility that no one in the state will graduate in May because of this.
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I wonder how close you guys are to being where Illinois is at now. Several small colleges are set to shut down completely if a budget isn't signed.


Also: I cannot believe that our profs tell us to expect 2 questions per lecture (okay, that's fine), then JUST NOW email us to let us know that there are 14 questions from our most recent physio lecture and only 6 from the first four lectures, the ones most of us have spent all our time studying, because the prof told us he had a lot of questions....
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
I wonder how close you guys are to being where Illinois is at now. Several small colleges are set to shut down completely if a budget isn't signed.


Also: I cannot believe that our profs tell us to expect 2 questions per lecture (okay, that's fine), then JUST NOW email us to let us know that there are 14 questions from our most recent physio lecture and only 6 from the first four lectures, the ones most of us have spent all our time studying, because the prof told us he had a lot of questions....
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We have nearly a 2 billion education deficit. Several universities and hospitals are already slated to close by May if nothing is done in 3 weeks.
 
Minnerbelle said:
Um, if you want 5 years so you could do more rotations, then do a ****ing internship. That way you'll get your 5th year without being forced to do extra weeks in rotations you're absolutely not interested in. And, you'll get paid something.
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The plan as it was presented isn't even increasing the time spent in clinics. It's just adding 2 more semesters in the classroom. (assuming you're referring to the crazy stuff I posted about earlier)
 
kcoughli said:
The plan as it was presented isn't even increasing the time spent in clinics. It's just adding 2 more semesters in the classroom. (assuming you're referring to the crazy stuff I posted about earlier)
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I dunno if it was you, but someone noted being able to spend more time in clinics.

2 more semesters in the classroom is just idiotic IMO.
 
I think the email posted sounds confused about their own goals. On the one hand they talk about being able to work a job.... Manage their lives.... Etc. On the other they talk about how there is more to know now then however many years ago.

Those are contradictory reasons to extend the education. The former wouldn't change the education - just give you more flexibility to finish it at a pace you control. The latter suggests increasing the amount of content.

I think they need to get a better grip on what the PUPOSE is before they start looking for input. They sound confused or conflicted.

And in classic university fashion .... They are ignoring the reality of the income:debt issue.

Seems like a non-starter to me. At least for now maybe if they had some miraculous way to get the tuition down..........

Speaking of other things that are non-starters (to me, anyway), did anyone see the bit about Colorado (I think???) floating that proposal to create a position in vet med similar to a physician's assistant? I'd have to go dig up a link.....
 
LetItSnow said:
Speaking of other things that are non-starters (to me, anyway), did anyone see the bit about Colorado (I think???) floating that proposal to create a position in vet med similar to a physician's assistant? I'd have to go dig up a link.....
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Jesus Christ, Fenton...how many more ways can we dream up to utterly ruin veterinary medicine?
 
EngrSC said:
What the heck? In CA I've had to buy every single one of my scantrons and bluebooks at both CC and university. Not once was one provided
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I went to two major universities outside of Cali before going back to get my prerequisites. It was a very foreign concept to me to have to buy them. Buy the wrong one or forget and you are screwed. I never had to buy them before that.
 
that redhead said:
Bitten at work, dog not current on rabies. Thoroughly unimpressive human med experience. Should probably get boosted...
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People have been told here after they've gotten bit that rabies isn't a problem. Ummm, hello. This area is a huge pocket of it. We've tested at least 3 animals when I was on my path rotation alone and there's been a few positives already this year.
 
orca2011 said:
People have been told here after they've gotten bit that rabies isn't a problem. Ummm, hello. This area is a huge pocket of it. We've tested at least 3 animals when I was on my path rotation alone and there's been a few positives already this year.
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They were definitely more worried than not, but they didn't really understand what I was saying, insisting that I give them the info to report it (first, it was in a different county, second, that's MY job haha), then saying I had to go to the ER to get PEP (I TOLD you I've had my series already [although I likely should be boosted]), etc. I think language was a part of it. Once the NP actually got the doctor (urgent care) he was like OH okay, you're cool. Keep it clean. Just so annoying that it all had to be like worst case scenario (dog not current on RV, broke skin, etc). I just wanted my abx so my finger doesn't fall off :\ And people wonder why we don't go to human doctors when we get a bite at work...
 
LetItSnow said:
I think the email posted sounds confused about their own goals. On the one hand they talk about being able to work a job.... Manage their lives.... Etc. On the other they talk about how there is more to know now then however many years ago.

Those are contradictory reasons to extend the education. The former wouldn't change the education - just give you more flexibility to finish it at a pace you control. The latter suggests increasing the amount of content.

I think they need to get a better grip on what the PUPOSE is before they start looking for input. They sound confused or conflicted.

And in classic university fashion .... They are ignoring the reality of the income:hungover:ebt issue.

Seems like a non-starter to me. At least for now maybe if they had some miraculous way to get the tuition down..........

Speaking of other things that are non-starters (to me, anyway), did anyone see the bit about Colorado (I think???) floating that proposal to create a position in vet med similar to a physician's assistant? I'd have to go dig up a link.....
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I agree. If there's SO much more to learn how is adding those 2 semesters in the classroom going to give you more free time? As a non-traditional student I like the idea of slowing the pace a bit, but not by adding more years. With what you get paid to be a vet these days and the tuition insanity, I'd rather see them lessen the time in school. I realize vets are doctors on furry (and sometimes not furry) creatures, so one would think we should do 4 years of school and a residency like the MDs, but the salaries and the way the business works outside of school doesn't support that. Conversely, the public seems to think vet school is only 2-3 years....not 4.

I think the mid-level vet thing is just a totally terrible idea for the profession. I HATE seeing a NP or PA when I make and pay for an appointment to see a damn MD. They make more mistakes and they do lots of things they aren't really supposed to be doing. It's too much MD ego without the MD knowledge base. If we are thinking PA but a vet version, they'd undercut the vet for all the simple procedures and vet school would basically be reserved for people who wanted to specialize. Think of the salary gap between Vet assistants, Vet Techs, and Vets. It's not nearly as large as Nurses, PAs, and MDs. I can't even imagine the salary range a vet PA would hope to fall in. I've always considered the registered Vet Tech the equivalent of the NP or PA for vet medicine, though not quite as the need didn't support it.
 
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